Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

Sean.3516

looksee wrote: »

So maybe they should wear half and half caps, to show that they kinda support the hats that Trump specifically created and promoted, but they have reservations. Or maybe the reservations could be printed on the caps. MAGABNWT.

Or we could all just stop making assumptions about their moral character without evidence?

Eric Cartman

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Or we could all just stop making assumptions about their moral character without evidence?

nah mate, thats not how the left works.
You wear a maga hat and that means youre 100% up for shooting dead mexican kids at the border and raping women and whatever else they think trump supporters want.

But they quote karl marx and call themselves socialists and wear t shirts with the hammer and sickle but they 'just want free college and don't know what anyones problem is'

Sean.3516

everlast75 wrote: »

Trump isn't racist?

This again!!???

Aaaannnyyway...

Fox are laying the groundwork for the inevitable truth to come out, i.e. there "was" collusion so that it'll all be a big shrug of the shoulders..

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1089545877365108737?s=19

Well, collusion isn’t an actual crime even if it’s proven. Who really cares if the Russians gave trump oppo research on Clinton? Clinton got oppo research from Christopher Steele, a former British spy .I’d be more concerned if Trump was still secretly working with the Russians to their benefit. Muller basically debunked this idea when he debunked the Buzzfeed story last week.

Plus Trump has been much HARSHER on the Russkies than Obama in terms of actual policy.

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

nah mate, thats not how the left works.
You wear a maga hat and that means youre 100% up for shooting dead mexican kids at the border and raping women and whatever else they think trump supporters want.

But they quote karl marx and call themselves socialists and wear t shirts with the hammer and sickle but they 'just want free college and don't know what anyones problem is'

I think slagging anti-Trump people by referencing them wearing a hammer and sickle is a little on the nose, considering the subject of the Russian investigation and the Republican involvement

everlast75

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Well, collusion isn’t an actual crime even if it’s proven. Who really cares if the Russians gave trump oppo research on Clinton? Clinton got oppo research from Christopher Steele, a former British spy .I’d be more concerned if Trump was still secretly working with the Russians to their benefit. Muller basically debunked this idea when he debunked the Buzzfeed story last week.

Plus Trump has been much HARSHER on the Russkies than Obama in terms of actual policy.

Oh jesus, I don't even know where to start with this one.

Sean - google is your friend. Go do some research before coming on here with nonsense such as Trump being harsher on Russia. No one on here will buy what you're selling

Sean.3516

Eric Cartman wrote: »

nah mate, thats not how the left works.
You wear a maga hat and that means youre 100% up for shooting dead mexican kids at the border and raping women and whatever else they think trump supporters want.

But they quote karl marx and call themselves socialists and wear t shirts with the hammer and sickle but they 'just want free college and don't know what anyones problem is'

Exactly. I mean, I wouldn’t just assume that someone who supports is a full on Stalinist who would have been in favor of the liquidation of the kulaks and shooting the top 1%

jobbridge4life

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He never said Mexicans were rapists.

He said “they’re not sending they’re best, their bringing, drugs, crime, their rapists” the entire speech was about illegal immigration from Mexico. He was referring to illegal immigrants from Mexico who as he said accurately in the speech had “lots of problems”.

Ah, a Trump supporting literalist. We've run short of those of late.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/16/theyre-rapists-presidents-trump-campaign-launch-speech-two-years-later-annotated/?utm_term=.0b96fcbc5116

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-calls-for-total-and-complete-shutdown-of-muslims-entering-u-s/

a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on

Tank U for providing the opportunity to once again highlight the foulness at the heart of Trumpism.

Eric Cartman

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Exactly. I mean, I wouldn’t just assume that someone who supports is a full on Stalinist who would have been in favor of the liquidation of the kulaks and shooting the top 1%

Funnily enough if you stopped 100 anti trump supporters and asked them if they were up for that , id wager 75%+ would say yes

IsaacWunder

Sean.3516 wrote: »

None of Trump’s policies to date have been racist or sexist.

The Muslim ban: His lawyers managed to smear enough lipstick on it to keep it on the books with a 5-4 Supreme Court decision, but it was a racist policy as originally propagated.

Pardoning Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Arpaio was convicted of racially profiling Hispanics. Nothing else. Trump called him an American hero and pardoned him before sentencing.

Pulling funding from the Life after Hate programme: The Department of Homeland Security pulled a $400,000 grant to the programme intended to deradicalise neo-Nazis. This happened about a month before Charlottesville.

Banning transgender people from serving in the military: Trump signed a memo banning trans people from active service.

Sean.3516

everlast75 wrote: »

Oh jesus, I don't even know where to start with this one.

Sean - google is your friend. Go do some research before coming on here with nonsense such as Trump being harsher on Russia. No one on here will buy what you're selling

Emm. I have done some research.

In 2012 Obama was caught on a hot mic saying to Dimitri Medvedev that he could be more flexible on his Russia stance after the election. In 2014 they annexed Ukraine, Obama didn’t lift a finger. Didn’t lift a finger when their ally in Syria crossed the Red Line he drew himself by gassing people or when Russia intervened in that war and started bombing hospitals. Obama was so weak on Russia.

Trump has increased sanctions, he has armed Ukrainians with weaponry against Russian paramilitaries in Ukraine and he went into Syria even though the Russians were there. Last year US troops killed dozens of Russian private contractors in Syria. Look this up. Major outlets reported on it. He also bombed Assad’s chemical sites even though Russia said they would shoot back.

Trump has a tendency to be nicer to foreign adversaries in his rhetoric because he has the flawed belief in the significance personal relationships with them. Hence the Helsinki debacle last year. This doesn’t mean he has qualm about being tough on them when necessary.

theguzman

IsaacWunder wrote: »

The Muslim ban: His lawyers managed to smear enough lipstick on it to keep it on the books with a 5-4 Supreme Court decision, but it was a racist policy as originally propagated.

Pardoning Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Arpaio was convicted of racially profiling Hispanics. Nothing else. Trump called him an American hero and pardoned him before sentencing.

Pulling funding from the Life after Hate programme: The Department of Homeland Security pulled a $400,000 grant to the programme intended to deradicalise neo-Nazis. This happened about a month before Charlottesville.

Banning transgender people from serving in the military: Trump signed a memo banning trans people from active service.

Let's get a few things straight the ban was not a ban on Muslims, it is a travel ban on citizens of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen, Citzens of these countries are effected irregardless of what Religion they are, Christian Druze in Syria are equally effected as would be Iraqi or Iranian Jews. It is total hyperbole of you to claim he banned Muslims when he did not, also when did the Islamic religion become a race because Muslims can be found across all racial makeups in every country today.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Funnily enough if you stopped 100 anti trump supporters and asked them if they were up for that , id wager 75%+ would say yes

I'd say tax them instead.

PopePalpatine

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd say tax them instead.

That's just as bad, you Marxist monster!

Sean.3516

IsaacWunder wrote: »

The Muslim ban: His lawyers managed to smear enough lipstick on it to keep it on the books with a 5-4 Supreme Court decision, but it was a racist policy as originally propagated.

Pardoning Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Arpaio was convicted of racially profiling Hispanics. Nothing else. Trump called him an American hero and pardoned him before sentencing.

Pulling funding from the Life after Hate programme: The Department of Homeland Security pulled a $400,000 grant to the programme intended to deradicalise neo-Nazis. This happened about a month before Charlottesville.

Banning transgender people from serving in the military: Trump signed a memo banning trans people from active service.

Muslim ban:
The policy eventually opted for was not a Muslim ban. It was ban on people from a number of middle eastern countries from entering. These were countries that were basically compromised by terrorism. Places like Iraq and Sudan. There were a number of Muslim majority nations not on the list. Muslims from those countries could still enter. This wasn’t a Muslim ban. It was a ban on particular nations. If Ireland banned people from India we wouldn’t call it a Hindu ban.

Arpaio:
I agree. Arpaio was a bad guy. Unfortunately the US President may pardon whoever he wants.

Pulling funding from Life after Hate:
I haven’t researched this. But I can say that from an American fiscal conservative standpoint this wouldn’t be something I’d want funded on a federal level.

Transgender military:
What is the problem with this? The US military can decide who it wants to recruit based on medical and psychological reasons surely. People with gender dysphoria would certainly be a particular burden on the US military which is under an obligation to provide all sorts of healthcare benefits to it’s members.

Manic Moran

Banning transgender people from serving in the military: Trump signed a memo banning trans people from active service.

I have been over this in detail, to include linking to the official policy. It does not do this, it prohibits the 10% or so of transgenders who suffer from gender dysphoria from serving. It is now one of a very large number of disorders which prohibits military service. The remaining 90% of transgenders (given the numbers provided by DoD) see no change at all from the policy implemented by Ash Carter under President Obama.

IsaacWunder

theguzman wrote: »

Let's get a few things straight the ban was not a ban on Muslims, it is a travel ban on citizens of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen, Citzens of these countries are effected irregardless of what Religion they are, Christian Druze in Syria are equally effected as would be Iraqi or Iranian Jews. It is total hyperbole of you to claim he banned Muslims when he did not, also when did the Islamic religion become a race because Muslims can be found across all racial makeups in every country today.

It’s called indirect discrimination. It overwhelmingly affected Muslim countries. This was the intent. Trump himself called it a Muslim ban when he introduced it as his Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration.

batgoat

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Or we could all just stop making assumptions about their moral character without evidence?

They were mockingly doing what sounded like a native American chant. So yeah, it would seem clear they subscribe to Trump's racist views.

Eric Cartman

batgoat wrote: »

They were mockingly doing what sounded like a native American chant. So yeah, it would seem clear they subscribe to Trump's racist views.

what were they chanting that was racist ? do native americans own chanting ?

Sean.3516

IsaacWunder wrote: »

It’s called indirect discrimination. It overwhelmingly affected Muslim countries. This was the intent. Trump himself called it a Muslim ban when he introduced it as his Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration.

I agree that it’s indirect discrimination and you’re right it does disproportionately affect Muslims and Muslim majority countries. But guess what? All Muslims may not be Islamic terrorists but all Islamic terrorists are Muslims. In the absence of enough personal information to vet people it’s perfectly acceptable ban the entire group of people who come from these high risk countries.

This is what the economist Thomas Sowell calls Type B discrimination. ie. using group statistics to discriminate in the absence of enough individual information. It’s not the same as what he calls Type A discrimination which is descrimination based solely on prejudice.

Sean.3516

batgoat wrote: »

They were mockingly doing what sounded like a native American chant. So yeah, it would seem clear they subscribe to Trump's racist views.

They were chanting along with the guy which I thought was quite funny. They were in the middle of their own school chant when he waded into the crowd . They weren’t demeaning him in any way. These were sixteen year olds. Overexcited testosterone fueled adolescents being cast as racists from being white and wearing trump hats.

Also let’s stop being disingenuous here. Who among us could keep a straight face if this muppet waded into our school group while we were doing our own chant banging a drum and doing his own Native American chant?

I’d be in stitches.

20Cent

Sean.3516 wrote: »

They were chanting along with the guy which I thought was quite funny. They were in the middle of their own school chant when he waded into the crowd . They weren’t demeaning him in any way. These were sixteen year olds. Overexcited testosterone fueled adolescents being cast as racists from being white and wearing trump hats.

Also let’s stop being disingenuous here. Who among us could keep a straight face if this muppet waded into our school group while we were doing our own chant banging a drum and doing his own Native American chant?

I’d be in stitches.

Id be respectful for the guys culture, also his age. If my ancestors had committed genocide on his people laughing at him would be very dickhead thing to do.

Sean.3516

20Cent wrote: »

Id be respectful for the guys culture, also his age. If my ancestors had committed genocide on his people laughing at him would be very dickhead thing to do.

Both the genocide victims and the culprits are long dead. Let’s not stand on their graves as though they’ve anything to do with this.

Philips didn’t wade into the crowd to exhibit his culture. He did it because he wanted to provoke an incident. He has a history of doing things like this. He disrupted a mass as well not too long ago.

These kids were provoked by the Black Hebrew Israelites before hand and the kids only response was to do their own school chant to drown them out and then this guy came in saying he wanted to “defuse the situation” by wading in doing that silly chant and banging a drum.

He deserved to be laughed off. As I said I’d be in stitches if this happened to me. The way he has consistently lied afterwards against the weight of video evidence shows he’s not only a scam artist but dillusional.

20Cent

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Both the genocide victims and the culprits are long dead. Let’s not stand on their graves as though they’ve anything to do with this.

Philips didn’t wade into the crowd to exhibit his culture. He did it because he wanted to provoke an incident. He has a history of doing things like this. He disrupted a mass as well not too long ago.

These kids were provoked by the Black Hebrew Israelites before hand and the kids only response was to do their own school chant to drown them out and then this guy came in saying he wanted to “defuse the situation” by wading in doing that silly chant and banging a drum.

He deserved to be laughed off. As I said I’d be in stitches if this happened to me. The way he has consistently lied afterwards against the weight of video evidence shows he’s not only a scam artist but dillusional.

Total disrespect for history, culture and race is a feature of MAGAheads so not surprised.

Also being a Vietnam veteran used to afford some respect but not since Trumps treatment of John McCain stopped that.

SeamusFX

I wouldn't put a bumper sticker on my car, wear a political t-shirt or hat, knowing it could be offensive to others and cause trouble. There's no way I'd let my children go outside the house wearing any kind of political t-shirt or hat, especially know how divisive it has gotten in the US. What parent in their right mind would allow their kids to wear MAGA hats to DC, especially since they were supposed to being going to a religious protest, representing a Catholic school and considering the current political environment? MAGA hats are a dog whistle for people saying FU, my way is right and I don't care what you think. I'd also fear for my children's life, considering a political statement could piss off the wrong person. Not only are the parents at fault, but the school too, those children never should have been allowed on the bus wearing any hats or clothing items making any type of political statements. I'm not condoning any abuse they may have received, but they set themselves up, wearing something that more than half the country sees as a symbol of racism, sexism, stupidity and divisiveness! Plus, these boys weren't the little angels themselves and their PR firm are now pretending they are, anyone who wears a MAGA hat is more interested in annoying the left than anything else, then they cry when it goes against them.

Sean.3516

20Cent wrote: »

Total disrespect for history, culture and race is a feature of MAGAheads so not surprised.

You keep trying to make this an issue of disrespect for culture and race.

Philips and you are being disingenuous when you both try to hide what he was doing behind his Native American ethnicity. He saw what was going on between the Black Israelites and the Covington boys and went in looking for his own piece of controversy by getting up in the kids face with his drum.

He and these Israelite clowns were the aggressors here. All the kids did was stand their ground and refuse to react aggressively.

Sean.3516

20Cent wrote: »

Also being a Vietnam veteran used to afford some respect but not since Trumps treatment of John McCain stopped that.

He is not a Vietnam veteran. He was “refrigerator repairman” in the Marine Corps reserve during the latter stage of the war. He never deployed to Vietnam and never saw a shot fired in anger.

John McCain was a fighter pilot who suffered years of torture at the hands of the Viet Cong. Trump was always wrong to say he wasn’t a real hero.

These two guys are not comparable

20Cent

Sean.3516 wrote: »

You keep trying to make this an issue of disrespect for culture and race.

Philips and you are being disingenuous when you both try to hide what he was doing behind his Native American ethnicity. He saw what was going on between the Black Israelites and the Covington boys and went in looking for his own piece of controversy by getting up in the kids face with his drum.

He and these Israelite clowns were the aggressors here. All the kids did was stand their ground and refuse to react aggressively.

Whatever.

Suppose it beats having to defend whatever Trumps brainfart of the day is.

everlast75

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He is not a Vietnam veteran. He was “refrigerator repairman” in the Marine Corps reserve during the latter stage of the war. He never deployed to Vietnam and never saw a shot fired.

Insults a guy who served in the army.

Defends a guy who dodged the draft 5 times.

Hypocrisy - the greatest luxury of a Trump supporter.

Sean.3516

everlast75 wrote: »

Insults a guy who served in the army.

Defends a guy who dodged the draft 5 times.

Hypocrisy - the greatest luxury of a Trump supporter.

I didn’t insult his service. His service is praiseworthy no matter what capacity he served in.
I’m simply saying it’s disingenous that he claims to be a Vietnam Veteran.
His service obviously just isn’t on the same level of John McCain.

As far as defending Trump at all costs, emm I just criticized him in my last post to you for demeaning John McCain in 2015.
Although I agree with about 90% of Trump’s policies, I don’t submit to the cult of personality that many MAGA people do

dr.fuzzenstein

Sean.3516 wrote: »

They were chanting along with the guy which I thought was quite funny. They were in the middle of their own school chant when he waded into the crowd . They weren’t demeaning him in any way. These were sixteen year olds. Overexcited testosterone fueled adolescents being cast as racists from being white and wearing trump hats.

Also let’s stop being disingenuous here. Who among us could keep a straight face if this muppet waded into our school group while we were doing our own chant banging a drum and doing his own Native American chant?

I’d be in stitches.

Major arsehole attitude and yes I hope you'd require stiches afterwards.