Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

everlast75

jochenstacker wrote: »

Accordion to Trump the wall is being built as we speak.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090963161942032385?s=20

So the wall is being built, he doesn't need the dems...

So what was the shutdown all about then?

Brian?

jochenstacker wrote: »

Accordion to Trump the wall is being built as we speak.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090963161942032385?s=20

That's it, he's a genius. He shut the government down for over 30 days to get the money for the wall. Turns out he didn't need the money because he's building it anyway. He's doing it all without those pesky dems.

Maybe he's using his old trick of starting projects without the money to fund them and then refusing to pay for the work. What's even better than Mexico paying for the wall? No one paying. It's the work of a genius,and I have to admit after all, a very stable genius.

Thepoet85

Cheerful Spring wrote:

Putin and Trump were elected legitimately.

As was Hitler. Once he took control he wasn't giving it up, much like Putin.

TheRepentent

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Crimea decided to break away from Ukraine after the coup.

Get thee to the CT forum!


Deluded.....

everlast75

https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1091048564325826560?s=19

Jesus. What ever happened to the claim that America is the greatest democracy in the world when Reps are okay with outside interference?

Itssoeasy

So Trump was asked in the Oval Office today whether he had spoken to his IC chiefs after publicly saying he was annoyed with them yesterday.

He said he did, then claimed that the hearings that were ON TV LIVE were fake news and they(the IC Chiefs) were "misquoted" and taken out of context. Is this a Truman show live action sketch we are living in ? How can he say that and believe it ? And the worse part is a part of the American people will believe everything he said.

aloyisious

jochenstacker wrote: »

Accordion to Trump the wall is being built as we speak.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090963161942032385?s=20

And he claimed yesterday that no one was reporting about the building of the wall. He also claimed that under the last administration the US was nearly at war with N/Korea, obviously different to the relationship he had with it at the start of his administration.

PropJoe10

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So Trump was asked in the Oval Office today whether he had spoken to his IC chiefs after publicly saying he was annoyed with them yesterday.

He said he did, then claimed that the hearings that were ON TV LIVE were fake news and they(the IC Chiefs) were "misquoted" and taken out of context. Is this a Truman show live action sketch we are living in ? How can he say that and believe it ? And the worse part is a part of the American people will believe everything he said.

This is the world we live in, I'm afraid. It's now normal for the POTUS to come out and claim that stuff that was actually said on camera, in front of a congressional committee, was "fake news". It was a remarkable display of stupidity, even by Trump's standards:

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

That's all lies and well and truly debunked pro putin propaganda

Is the Guardian info propaganda Feb 2014. Russian Troops arrived in March. I don't dispute Putin was looking to take back Crimea, but Stick to the facts.

Feb 2014
• Dozens of pro-Russia gunmen seized government buildings in Ukraine’s Crimea region, which houses Russia’s Black Sea fleet, and hoisted a Russian flag.

The Crimean parliament passed a resolution agreeing to hold elections in May and a referendum on autonomy. The parliament speaker said the legislature considers Yanukovych to be the legitimate president of Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/ukraine-pro-russian-gunmen-seize-crimea-parliament-live-updates

Christy42

TheRepentent wrote: »

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Crimea decided to break away from Ukraine after the coup.

Get thee to the CT forum!


Deluded.....

Well he was right. Russian backed admittedly but still a coup! They then had totally free and fair referendum with Russian troops watching over everything!

It was a lucky thing that the Russian military happened to be doing manoeuvres in the region (on the Russian side of the border) at the same time.

Cheerful Spring

Christy42 wrote: »

Well he was right. Russian backed admittedly but still a coup! They then had totally free and fair referendum with Russian troops watching over everything!

It was a lucky thing that the Russian military happened to be doing manoeuvres in the region (on the Russian side of the border) at the same time.

The majority would have made the decision to break away anyhow. It's naive to think 65 per cent of the Crimea population who see themselves as Russian would have made a choice to stay in Ukraine.

The Crimea parliament made the decision to take a vote on leaving Ukraine, had very little do with Putin. And well known Ukraine opposed this and the Azov thugs were planning to head to Sevastopol to stop this.

By the way, Crimea had a special status within Ukraine pre-coup. The Ukrainians recognised Crimea was different ethnically to rest of the country.

Leroy42

So even if Putin is the greatest person ever to live, and Russia is simply misunderstood, why is Trump holding secret and private meetings with him and taking his word over the evidence and experience and word of the US security services?

jooksavage

Leroy42 wrote: »

So even if Putin is the greatest person ever to live, and Russia is simply misunderstood, why is Trump holding secret and private meetings with him and taking his word over the evidence and experience and word of the US security services?

Also for someone who at the best of times seems unfamiliar with the concerns of his own intelligence services, Trump is weirdly fluent when it comes to Putins propaganda on Belarus, Montenegro and Afghanistan...

everlast75

Looking past peoples' flaws and still admiring them as a leader is perfectly reasonable, but only to a degree. You would have to question the logic in admiring either Trump (for the various reasons I set out above recently along with the extensive other reasons I did not list) and Putin, who is by all accounts a murderous dictator.

It baffles me that people defend them. Either they are doing so to purely hone their debating skills in arguments they cannot win as some sort of academic exercise, or they are simply see the facts and refuse to face reality.

Cheerful Spring

Leroy42 wrote: »

So even if Putin is the greatest person ever to live, and Russia is simply misunderstood, why is Trump holding secret and private meetings with him and taking his word over the evidence and experience and word of the US security services?

Is funny how you criticise Putin, when before that Isis controlled large swathes of Iraq and was destroying Syria. When Putin joined the war he started to take on the Islamic terrorists in Syria and suddenly the Americans realised oh we better do something now since Russia joined the war. America was just sitting back watching these head choppers destroy the middle east.

I don't think anyone should trust the CIA and NSA to give an honest assessment of world events. They are guys who hell bent on war. The military industrial complex is a gravy train, that has to keep ticking over and can't end, too much money to be made. It's a problem that ignored.

What do you think is going on? Are you of the mindset Putin is hell-bent on world domination?

So he took back Crimea, so what. Crimean people the majority see themselves as Russian.

Russia helped Syria defeat head choppers? Is he bad for doing that?

everlast75

It turns out that the blocked number from Donny Jr was not to Trump, or so the latest reporting goes.

It is strange that they refused to release the records for 2 years when it would have cleared matters up.

Despite it being understandable that one could infer that it was his dad as a result, Donny Jr is all over the reporting, citing the suspicions for the last 2 years as another example of "fake news" (shudder).

It's funny that he now chooses to believe the reporting clearing him of ringing his dad. I thought the media lied all the time??

Leroy42

everlast75 wrote: »

It turns out that the blocked number from Donny Jr was not to Trump, or so the latest reporting goes.

It is strange that they refused to release the records for 2 years when it would have cleared matters up.

Despite it being understandable that one could infer that it was his dad as a result, Donny Jr is all over the reporting, citing the suspicions for the last 2 years as another example of "fake news" (shudder).

It's funny that he now chooses to believe the reporting clearing him of ringing his dad. I thought the media lied all the time??

Couldn't it just mean that Trump was in the room? Maybe he rang them on the behest of his dad?

On what basis are we to believe that Trump wasn't? His word, which we know is full of lies.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

Couldn't it just mean that Trump was in the room? Maybe he rang them on the behest of his dad?

On what basis are we to believe that Trump wasn't? His word, which we know is full of lies.

All true.

Could be Cohen too... i believe the records say a business associate

Leroy42

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Is funny how you criticise Putin, when before that Isis controlled large swathes of Iraq and was destroying Syria. When Putin joined the war he started to take on the Islamic terrorists in Syria and suddenly the Americans realised oh we better do something now since Russia joined the war. America was just sitting back watching these head choppers destroy the middle east.

I don't think anyone should trust the CIA and NSA to give an honest assessment of world events. They are guys who hell bent on war. The military industrial complex is a gravy train, that has to keep ticking over and can't end, too much money to be made. It's a problem that ignored.

What do you think is going on? Are you of the mindset Putin is hell-bent on world domination?

So he took back Crimea, so what. Crimean people the majority see themselves as Russian.

Russia helped Syria defeat head choppers? Is he bad for doing that?

I didn't criticise Putin.

You keep going on about Putin, trying to get across your version of the events in Ukraine. I don't know enough to be able to judge exactly what happened, most of my info coming from the western media which of course has a particular (though not necessarily right or wrong) slant.

I would however, state that the poisoning in the UK has pretty much been shown to be Russian backed and I see that as a pretty agrgressive and outrageous attack on a democracy which Putin has completely failed to condemn of to hand over the suspects for trial or even interview.

However, be that as it may, it still does not deal with the real issue we are talking about, and which you seem totally unable to answer.

Regardless of Putin's particular standing on anything, why do you think it right that Trump is holding secret and private meetings with him and taking his word over the evidence and experience and word of the US security services?

Is he doing this with other world leaders?

Leroy42

[QUOTE=everlast75;109302482Despite it being understandable that one could infer that it was his dad as a result, Donny Jr is all over the reporting, citing the suspicions for the last 2 years as another example of "fake news" (shudder).
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I love this. It isn't fake news, nobody said it was definitely Trump, it was speculation.

Speculation based on the fact that Trump Jr refused to say who the calls were to, and the fact that he first tried to cover up the meeting and then used the POTUS to try to lie about it.

mcmoustache

everlast75 wrote: »

It turns out that the blocked number from Donny Jr was not to Trump, or so the latest reporting goes.

It is strange that they refused to release the records for 2 years when it would have cleared matters up.

Despite it being understandable that one could infer that it was his dad as a result, Donny Jr is all over the reporting, citing the suspicions for the last 2 years as another example of "fake news" (shudder).

It's funny that he now chooses to believe the reporting clearing him of ringing his dad. I thought the media lied all the time??

Yep. From the New York Times, he spoke with two people, one of whom was Howard Lorber, who most of us have never heard of.

Mr. Lorber had significant investments in Russia and traveled to Moscow in 1996 with President Trump as they considered building a Trump Tower there.

No doubt the fact that it was thought to have been Trump on the other end will be seized upon as though the entire Mueller investigation depended on that being true. I'd say we'll see it here too.

I'm also wondering why this information came out now. This new information came from the the Burr/Warner Senate Intel Committee. Did they just receive this information recently themselves? Were they sitting on it until now and someone decided that this should be leaked? This committee has been run quite well so far, unlike the shítshow in the house under Nunes so I'm a bit intrigued by this.

check_six

jooksavage wrote: »

Also for someone who at the best of times seems unfamiliar with the concerns of his own intelligence services, Trump is weirdly fluent when it comes to Putins propaganda on Belarus, Montenegro and Afghanistan...

How does he manage to stay on message with these pronouncements? No one else can get him to listen or concentrate on more close to home topics. A curious contradiction.

everlast75

check_six wrote: »

How does he manage to stay on message with these pronouncements? No one else can get him to listen or concentrate on more close to home topics. A curious contradiction.

You pay more attention to people you admire than to people you class as unintelligent

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Is the Guardian info propaganda Feb 2014. Russian Troops arrived in March. I don't dispute Putin was looking to take back Crimea, but Stick to the facts.

Nothing was fact in what you just posted .

The russian military forced the referendum under the thread of violence ,
Putin declared publicly he was taking back crimea 2 weeks before any protests had taken place .
The referendum allowed russians forces who arrived by the bus load to vote and blocked anyone but pro russians From voting .
Explain the 120% of the population voting .

This has all been done to death over the last 4 years all of the pro russian propaganda had been debunked please do not post your alternative events though your own opinion

aloyisious

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Is funny how you criticise Putin, when before that Isis controlled large swathes of Iraq and was destroying Syria. When Putin joined the war he started to take on the Islamic terrorists in Syria and suddenly the Americans realised oh we better do something now since Russia joined the war. America was just sitting back watching these head choppers destroy the middle east.

I don't think anyone should trust the CIA and NSA to give an honest assessment of world events. They are guys who hell bent on war. The military industrial complex is a gravy train, that has to keep ticking over and can't end, too much money to be made. It's a problem that ignored.

What do you think is going on? Are you of the mindset Putin is hell-bent on world domination?

So he took back Crimea, so what. Crimean people the majority see themselves as Russian.

Russia helped Syria defeat head choppers? Is he bad for doing that?

Your 1st & 2nd Paras: When Putin joined the war he started to take on the Islamic terrorists in Syria and suddenly the Americans realised oh we better do something now since Russia joined the war. America was just sitting back watching these head choppers destroy the middle east. - If AMERICA was sitting back doing nothing until Putin joined the war in Syria, it looks like your description of the CIA and NSA being bent on war is wrong. You might get away with accusing them of pre-op war-planning but that's over-ridden by the fact that Russia itself must have Mil Ops pre-planned for involvement in Syria unless you think Putin rode in to rescue the Syrian Govt without a care in the world.


Your 3rd & 4th Paras: Russian-ethnic Crimeans who wanted to turn back the clock so far back that they would end up in the USSR circa Stalin's time, even though they were born in the Crimea decades after it became separate from Russia courtesy of Stalin were happy when Putin took back Crimea from the country Stalin gave it to smells like MRGA revisionism. Sudetenland manifest destiny anyone?


Your 5th Para: Russia helped defeat the head-choppers thousands of miles from Russia, yes it's bad when Putin still allows the head-choppers operate within Russia's own direct sphere [Chechnya] of influence and right within it's own borders? That looks like appeasement and a control problem being ignored by Putin to me.

Christy42

So Trump congratulated the stock market yesterday on breaking 25000. Forgetting he had offered his congratulations around the same time 12 months ago when it broke 25000 for the first time showing that there is not much to be congratulated there (and that Trump has being paying attention to none of this throughout a pretty bad year for the stock market).

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Is funny how you criticise Putin, when before that Isis controlled large swathes of Iraq and was destroying Syria. When Putin joined the war he started to take on the Islamic terrorists in Syria and suddenly the Americans realised oh we better do something now since Russia joined the war. America was just sitting back watching these head choppers destroy the middle east.

Yeah, no

Syria has been a key strategic ally of Russia for decades. Putin provided a crucial supply lifeline to Assad from 2011 onward. When Assad was really on the ropes in late 2014 (from a variety of factions, including ISIS) Putin had no option but to go in militarily if he was to preserve Assad (his last toehold in the ME) in power. Moscow intervened to militarily support Assad, part of that involved dropping mostly "dumb munitions" on ISIS

A coalition of around 16 countries including the US had been fighting ISIS since early 2014

Igotadose

The investigations are starting up. Now, Congress is getting after Mnuchin, the SecTreas, and the reasoning process behind recent lifting of some of the sanctions on various Russians:

'The leaders of three powerful House committees are requesting a trove of documents related to the Treasury Department’s decision to lift sanctions on companies tied to Oleg Deripaska, a prominent Russian oligarch linked with Russian President Vladimir Putin."


https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/427942-democrats-are-zeroing-in-on-treasurys-mnuchin

Sort-of surprising Mnuchin's lasted this long, but if the economy tanks he'll go first.

Also saw a headline about Trump considering Herman Cain for the board of the Fed. Herman Cain. 9-9-9 Herman Cain. Unreal. The guy's practically a babbling eejit. But, put him on the Fed, sure.

looksee

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/02/trump-building-wall-emergency-cooper-kth-ac360-vpx.cnn

We all know Trump lies - you can tell he is lying when he does that thing with his lower lip - but apart from that he has been shown to lie so many times its now a joke. Except it is not a joke. He spoke in public and told a series of lies about his dratted wall that were so obviously easy to disprove you would have to wonder what is going on in his head. If anything. This is a personal obsession that has become more important than world politics or trade or anything else.

This is not a matter of 'lets see what I can get away with', he just does not care, he does not require his thought processes to go as far as having to prove what he is saying, he says it, that's enough. Even the idea of giving him enough rope to hang himself with has gone by the wayside, at this stage it is impossible to add up his lies and make a case, they have all blurred into nonsense, and anyway, who is going to do it? Too many people are still willing to discount what he says with some sort of excuse, crediting him with plans and policies he does not have.

There is no bottom line here, he can keep going down into the depths of madness and no-one is able to do anything. There is no intelligence, there is no reason, he is irrational and out of control, and his SOTU is going to prove it. Will it make any difference? No.

Ultros

Virginia Democrat Governor Ralph Northam racism scandal is really blowing up, expect his resignation shortly. He was pictured either in blackface or a KKK garb in his high school yearbook.