Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

ECO_Mental

AllForIt wrote: »

It never ceases to me amaze me how ignorant some ppl are about the contribution the US made to ending WW2. Of course that's easily forgotten when anti-american types have noting much to complain about other than than the US bombing other countries.
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It never ceases to amaze me that American's think they won the war single handily....I'll leave this statistic here for you to think about between 80-90% of the German causalities were on the eastern front (eg Russia)


This article says 93% http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4508901.stm


I'm not saying they didn't contribute when they eventually showed up in two years after the war started....


History lesson done!

Leroy42

The US should be rightfully acknowledged for the central role they played in WWII. Particularly in the West, it is well established that they played a central role, in many respect the role that Russia played in the defeat of the Nazi's has been downgraded.

But whilst we should continue to acknowledge the effort, bravery, courage and dedication of the US during WWII, we are also beholden to acknowledge the terrible things they have done since. Have they have manipulated the ME. How they have stood by dictatorships such as Saudi, Saddam etc, giving them free reign to bring torture and misery to their people.

How they have continued to attempt to shape South and Central America to their liking. How they blockaded Cuba for years. The waterboarding, torture, rendition flights. The separation of children at the border. Ignoring the plight of millions of refugees displaced, in part, due to their military strategies.

Like in everything it is never black and white. But one cannot call up the memories of past glories and not call up past, and current failures.

Muahahaha

Anyone know is Michael Cohen still scheduled to testify to Congress this week? And can we expect anything new from it?

everlast75

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyone know is Michael Cohen still scheduled to testify to Congress this week? And can we expect anything new from it?

7th or 8th (I'm not sure as it's been moved) and behind closed doors so expect very little.

Whitaker is up this week and you should bring your popcorn for that one...

Manic Moran

ECO_Mental wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me that American's think they won the war single handily....I'll leave this statistic here for you to think about between 80-90% of the German causalities were on the eastern front (eg Russia)


This article says 93% http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4508901.stm


I'm not saying they didn't contribute when they eventually showed up in two years after the war started....


History lesson done!

History lesson continues: Problem is the Soviets didn’t manage it single-handedly either. They prevented the Germans from winning before Lend Lease kicked in, but they didn’t actually put themselves in a winning position until much later. The big killer that stopped the Germans was logistics. When the Soviets advanced and really started killing Germans it was on the back of the incredible US manufacturing capability. And not just on trucks and trains, by the time the war was over, some 70% of the explosives being used to kill Germans was being supplied by the US. That’s not in any way to belittle the Soviet fighting man, but it was a team effort and the US was the bedrock of the team, even if they were late to the fighting bit.

That said, Leroy is correct that this all has little relevance to today.

Brian?

Manic Moran wrote: »

History lesson continues: Problem is the Soviets didn’t manage it single-handedly either. They prevented the Germans from winning before Lend Lease kicked in, but they didn’t actually put themselves in a winning position until much later. The big killer that stopped the Germans was logistics. When the Soviets advanced and really started killing Germans it was on the back of the incredible US manufacturing capability. And not just on trucks and trains, by the time the war was over, some 70% of the explosives being used to kill Germans was being supplied by the US. That’s not in any way to belittle the Soviet fighting man, but it was a team effort and the US was the bedrock of the team, even if they were late to the fighting bit.

That said, Leroy is correct that this all has little relevance to today.

Agreed

To belittle the role played by either the Soviet Union or the US is taking an extremely narrow view of history. It was a massive team effort. Even the Brita deserve some credit for engaging the Luftwaffe so long.

Ironically FDR would be derided as a libtard lunatic by many republicans today. The massive social programs he instituted would be called communism.

salmocab

Has there been any real claims about America in the Second World War though? What context did he say this in? I presume it was in the SOTU.

Gatling

ECO_Mental wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me that American's think they won the war single handily....I'll leave this statistic here for you to think about between 80-90% of the German causalities were on the eastern front (eg Russia)


This article says 93% http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4508901.stm


I'm not saying they didn't contribute when they eventually showed up in two years after the war started....


History lesson done!

" Falin cites figures suggesting that German forces suffered 93% of their casualties on the Soviet front and argues that this shows the Soviet contribution was decisive."

According to a russian historian sorry that's no history lesson but more likely a lesson in propaganda

amandstu

ECO_Mental wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me that American's think they won the war single handily....I'll leave this statistic here for you to think about between 80-90% of the German causalities were on the eastern front (eg Russia)


This article says 93% http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4508901.stm


I'm not saying they didn't contribute when they eventually showed up in two years after the war started....


History lesson done!

Apparently it wasn't even the 2 nuclear bombs at the end which caused Japan's surrender but USSR's redirection towards them after the defeat of Germany that did it (according to a recent documentary on the BBC,iirc)

Leroy42

Pretty obvious call for the end of investigations into him.

“An economic miracle is taking place in the United States — and the only thing that can stop it are foolish wars, politics or ridiculous partisan investigations.”

"If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation.”

Basically saying that the economy will fail if the investigations, amongst other things, are allowed to continue.

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Muahahaha

everlast75 wrote: »

7th or 8th (I'm not sure as it's been moved) and behind closed doors so expect very little.

Whitaker is up this week and you should bring your popcorn for that one...

ah balls its behind closed doors, was expecting a show

Why is Whitaker being called, what sort of questions is he facing?

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

Pretty obvious call for the end of investigations into him.



Basically saying that the economy will fail if the investigations, amongst other things, are allowed to continue.

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Echoing Nixon's sentiment at his SOTU and on the exact same date too.

everlast75

Muahahaha wrote: »

ah balls its behind closed doors, was expecting a show

Why is Whitaker being called, what sort of questions is he facing?

Did Trump explain why he was picked as acting AG?

Did Trump discuss Mueller's report and whether you should intervene?

Did Trump request that you "reign in" the SDNY and their investigations into Trump and co as reported?

All of this will be under oath.

The fact that Whitaker has been dodging correspondence and requests to attend raises suspicions. The committee has considered issuing a subpoena to make sure he will attend.

Muahahaha

That should provide a bit of entertainment especially questions about why he said the investigation is coming to a close.

Just read the reason why Michael Cohens hearing is behind closed doors

Mr. Cohen has relayed to the Committee his legitimate concerns for his own safety as well as that of his family, which have been fueled by improper comments made by the President and his lawyer,” the California Democrat said in a statement. “As I’ve previously stated with my colleagues, Chairmen Elijah Cummings and Jerrold Nadler, efforts to intimidate witnesses, scare their family members, or prevent them from testifying before Congress are tactics we expect from organized crime, not the White House.

Stallingrad

This just goes to show how numb we have become to this Presidency and its toxic nature, and how far standards have fallen. The above alone in past years would have done for a President, now it's barely news.

everlast75

It is customary for politicians to bring a guest to the SOTU.

Schumer picked someone who worked through the shutdown, AOC brought a woman who confronted Jeff Flake at the Kavanaugh hearing etc.

So DJT, out of all the people he could, decides to bring a kid who was bullied because his surname was Trump*. Donald had to go and make it all about himself of course.

Here's the kid during the speech..

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1093143548432650240






*no kid should ever be bullied - that goes without saying

Penn

everlast75 wrote: »

It is customary for politicians to bring a guest to the SOTU.

Schumer picked someone who worked through the shutdown, AOC brought a woman who confronted Jeff Flake at the Kavanaugh hearing etc.

So DJT, out of all the people he could, decides to bring a kid who was bullied because his surname was Trump*. Donald had to go and make it all about himself of course.

Here's the kid during the speech..

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1093143548432650240





*no kid should ever be bullied - that goes without saying

In fairness, I think Trump was able to bring about 10 guests, so it's not like he only brought the kid. I think he brought the Holocaust survivor that was there, as well as someone whose family member was killed by an immigrant. Can't remember who else he brought.

Though yeah, even with 10 or so slots to fill, I would have thought "kid with same last name as me who gets bullied because of it" should have been fairly low on the list.

everlast75

Penn wrote: »

In fairness, I think Trump was able to bring about 10 guests, so it's not like he only brought the kid. I think he brought the Holocaust survivor that was there, as well as someone whose family member was killed by an immigrant. Can't remember who else he brought.

Though yeah, even with 10 or so slots to fill, I would have thought "kid with same last name as me who gets bullied because of it" should have been fairly low on the list.

JFC.

Unbelievable.

Penn

everlast75 wrote: »

JFC.

Unbelievable.

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/5/18212241/state-of-the-union-guests-2019-buzz-aldrin-trump-pelosi

Debra Bissell, Heather Armstrong, and Madison Armstrong: the daughter, granddaughter, and great-granddaughter of a couple from Reno, Nevada, who were murdered in their home in January 2019. A 19-year-old undocumented immigrant who had reportedly worked for the couple as a landscaper was charged in the couple’s murder; he was also charged with other homicides in the area. Trump had tweeted about this case, claiming it’s a reason why he needs his “powerful” wall.

Stallingrad

Dems should have brought Stormy and an average American, both have been f****d by T.

everlast75

Penn wrote: »

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/5/18212241/state-of-the-union-guests-2019-buzz-aldrin-trump-pelosi

No family members of any victims of mass shootings then?

James Brown

Trump is a disgrace. He told the same lies about border security and used victims of crime and Veterans as pawns to push his agenda while feigning cross party goals for the good of the nation. He even tried to take kudos for the amount of women in congress, to be fair though he had a part in driving that. The man is despicable.

Gbear

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Trump is a disgrace. He told the same lies about border security and used victims of crime and Veterans as pawns to push his agenda while feigning cross party goals for the good of the nation. He even tried to take kudos for the amount of women in congress, to be fair though he had a part in driving that. The man is despicable.

It's kinda like thanking cancer for your weight loss.

duploelabs

Gbear wrote: »

It's kinda like thanking cancer for your weight loss.

Or chemo for the haircut

everlast75

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyone know is Michael Cohen still scheduled to testify to Congress this week? And can we expect anything new from it?

Bad news I'm afraid...

https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/1093168612687470593

pixelburp

Honestly, these comments are the only exposure I've had to the speech; it's pure puffery at the best of times and not even that grand a tradition (apparently we can blame Woodrow Wilson for that decision)

I pleaded 'why bother' when it came to Twitter and to be fair a good argument was given about holding him to account over the vast array of lies - but the State of the Nation Address is merely an excuse for each President to indulge in some bloviating anyway. IMO it should be ignored and discussions get back to the immediate.

Name-checking socialism as an evil was interesting: how often has that happened and one wonders if Trumps eventual legacy is to legitimise and normalise some basic tenets of 'socialism'.

Penn

everlast75 wrote: »

Bad news I'm afraid...

https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/1093168612687470593

They'd want to hurry up. Isn't he due to go to prison in early March? If it gets delayed again it might be too late.

everlast75

Penn wrote: »

They'd want to hurry up. Isn't he due to go to prison in early March? If it gets delayed again it might be too late.

they can always pull him out of there to testify I suppose.

A guess but I reckon there will be more indictments brought before the 28th and they don't want to tip off who may be charged or what they will be charged with.

There were further papers filed today in the case against him, sealed of course.

everlast75

The House Intelligence committee just voted to send along the transcripts to Mueller.

Squeaky bum time for Junior and pals..

Quin_Dub

everlast75 wrote: »

Bad news I'm afraid...

https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/1093168612687470593

Which investigation , The House one or the Special Counsel?