Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

Ultros

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Is he not already inciting violence against journalists? Trump called them "enemy of the people"

5 were already killed by one of his crazies https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/03/capital-gazette-shooting-highlights-growing-danger-journalists/752178002/

But yeh its all fake news I suppose :rolleyes:

One of "his crazies". That shooter had no political motive.

You gloss over the fact the shooter had filed a defamation post against the newspaper prior because they ran a story about him stalking some girl. When the lawsuit failed he sent letters to writers and the editor with violent threats demanding them to retract the story.

Context matters.

Ultros

"Another crazy"

That's incredibly lazy given the Capital Gazette shooting wasn't politically motivated.

Maga bomber, yes, that happened. What's your point?

There's crazies on both sides, remember the Steve Scalise shooting.

listermint

Ultros wrote: »

"Another crazy"

That's incredibly lazy given the Capital Gazette shooting wasn't politically motivated.

Maga bomber, yes, that happened. What's your point?

There's crazies on both sides, remember the Steve Scalise shooting.

There isn't crazy on both sides . Stop propagating that fake narrative. It's simple untrue

Ultros

listermint wrote: »

There isn't crazy on both sides . Stop propagating that fake narrative. It's simple untrue

In your opinion.

Latest example of a crazy. Liberal Trump hating actor Jussie Smollett paying two Nigerian men to fake a hate crime so he could blame it on Trump supporters. Don't have to look far for the crazy unfortunately.

https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1097169526238732288

TheRepentent

Ultros wrote: »

Don't have to look far for the crazy unfortunately.

:rolleyes: no we don't do we?

listermint

listermint wrote: »

There isn't crazy on both sides . Stop propagating that fake narrative. It's simple untrue

Whilst we obviously lack the remotest semblance of respect for one another, I would still expect better from you than a blanket statement that is so easy to defeat. You can't just go around using absolutes like saying that in all of America, there isn't even one crazy leftwing nut.

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Whilst we obviously lack the remotest semblance of respect for one another, I would still expect better from you than a blanket statement that is so easy to defeat. You can't just go around using absolutes like saying that in all of America, there isn't even one crazy leftwing nut.

Please show examples of mass shootings committed by left wing nuts.

Because that's the assertion here.

Eric Cartman

listermint wrote: »

Please show examples of mass shootings committed by left wing nuts.

Because that's the assertion here.

I like how youve exclusively isolated it to mass shootings , because nothing else is destructive and violent, except.....

Ft.Hood shooter Nidal Hasan - Democrat, and muslim
Adam Lanza - Liberal, hated Christians
Virginia Tech shooter, Seung-Hui Cho - libera
Virginia Tech decapitater - liberal
Colorado Theater shooter James Holmes - liberal
Live on air Roanoke VA TV station shooter Vester Lee Flanagan - liberal
Navy shipyard shooter Aaron Alexis - liberal
Arizona Gabby Giffords shooter Jared Loughner - Liberal, hated Bush
The DC snipers back in 2003 - Liberals
Chattanooga TN Marine Recruiting center shooter - Muslim democrat
Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) - Leftist
Lee Harvy Oswald (JFK) - Marxist
John Hinkley (Reagan) - Democrat
Lynette 'squeaky' Fromme (Gerd Ford attempt) - Liberal
Sir Han Sir Han (RFK) - Liberal
Bill Ayers - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Bernadine Dohrn - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Black panther party - leftist based organization
Occupy Wall Street - over 8,000 arrests, 3 murders, 2 arson, 10 plus reported rapes -
Black lives matter riots and shootings
Antifa

listermint

Sorry but most of that bunch were not liberals. You just chucked that together with no basis.

Didn't expect any different though

Eric Cartman

listermint wrote: »

Sorry but most of that bunch were not liberals. You just chucked that together with no basis.

Didn't expect any different though

at what point do we suggest that a mass shooter is right wing ? because there seems to be a lot of evidence for a lot of that list being involved actively in the democratic party at high school/ college / adult level or being involved in further left movements or writing musings/manifestos based on left wing ideals.

it seems like unless they left the house in a full USSR outfit carrying a copy of das kapital that you wont accept them as 'left wing'

listermint

Eric Cartman wrote: »

at what point do we suggest that a mass shooter is right wing ? because there seems to be a lot of evidence for a lot of that list being involved actively in the democratic party at high school/ college / adult level or being involved in further left movements or writing musings/manifestos based on left wing ideals.

it seems like unless they left the house in a full USSR outfit carrying a copy of das kapital that you wont accept them as 'left wing'

I suppose when they subscribe to left wing ideals. Which your list doesn't demonstrate

batgoat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I like how youve exclusively isolated it to mass shootings , because nothing else is destructive and violent, except.....

Ft.Hood shooter Nidal Hasan - Democrat, and muslim
Adam Lanza - Liberal, hated Christians
Virginia Tech shooter, Seung-Hui Cho - libera
Virginia Tech decapitater - liberal
Colorado Theater shooter James Holmes - liberal
Live on air Roanoke VA TV station shooter Vester Lee Flanagan - liberal
Navy shipyard shooter Aaron Alexis - liberal
Arizona Gabby Giffords shooter Jared Loughner - Liberal, hated Bush
The DC snipers back in 2003 - Liberals
Chattanooga TN Marine Recruiting center shooter - Muslim democrat
Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) - Leftist
Lee Harvy Oswald (JFK) - Marxist
John Hinkley (Reagan) - Democrat
Lynette 'squeaky' Fromme (Gerd Ford attempt) - Liberal
Sir Han Sir Han (RFK) - Liberal
Bill Ayers - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Bernadine Dohrn - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Black panther party - leftist based organization
Occupy Wall Street - over 8,000 arrests, 3 murders, 2 arson, 10 plus reported rapes -
Black lives matter riots and shootings
Antifa

This one annoys me. You've copied and pasted a list from somewhere by looks of things. Holmes wasn't registered to vote, same for Lanza. Hinckley, there's no proof he was a democrat. Loughner held more libertarian views by looks of things. Oswald and Kaczynski are accurate but primarily the people you've listed are just unsubstantiated claims.

Weirdly your list leads me to a snopes article that shows it up in more detail.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/democrat-shooters-list/

Basic summary, yep there totally are left wing terrorists and extremists but you primarily posted propaganda that isn't based in fact. It was lazy.

Brian?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I like how youve exclusively isolated it to mass shootings , because nothing else is destructive and violent, except.....

Ft.Hood shooter Nidal Hasan - Democrat, and muslim
Adam Lanza - Liberal, hated Christians
Virginia Tech shooter, Seung-Hui Cho - libera
Virginia Tech decapitater - liberal
Colorado Theater shooter James Holmes - liberal
Live on air Roanoke VA TV station shooter Vester Lee Flanagan - liberal
Navy shipyard shooter Aaron Alexis - liberal
Arizona Gabby Giffords shooter Jared Loughner - Liberal, hated Bush
The DC snipers back in 2003 - Liberals
Chattanooga TN Marine Recruiting center shooter - Muslim democrat
Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) - Leftist
Lee Harvy Oswald (JFK) - Marxist
John Hinkley (Reagan) - Democrat
Lynette 'squeaky' Fromme (Gerd Ford attempt) - Liberal
Sir Han Sir Han (RFK) - Liberal
Bill Ayers - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Bernadine Dohrn - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Black panther party - leftist based organization
Occupy Wall Street - over 8,000 arrests, 3 murders, 2 arson, 10 plus reported rapes -
Black lives matter riots and shootings
Antifa

Without going through the list one by one, 80% were not liberals.

Eric Cartman

Brian? wrote: »

Without going through the list one by one, 80% were not liberals.

even if that held , it still leaves evidence against listermints theory that there is no 'nutjobs' on the left.

The reality is political beliefs often have very little to do with mass shootings, its just a handy tidbit to try and blame any violence or destruction on the right so some people can play mental gymnastics and claim its the fault of donald trump.

Thargor

listermint wrote: »

Sorry but most of that bunch were not liberals. You just chucked that together with no basis.

Didn't expect any different though

Yeah if you google his list you'll find a few looney asylums where he must have copied and pasted it from and even in those places it gets picked apart:

Would it mess up the fun you're having an if I told you John Hinkley was from the richest neighborhood in Texas, that his family was rock ribbed Republican, that he attended Texas Tech and hated black people?

Brian?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

even if that held , it still leaves evidence against listermints theory that there is no 'nutjobs' on the left.

The reality is political beliefs often have very little to do with mass shootings, its just a handy tidbit to try and blame any violence or destruction on the right so some people can play mental gymnastics and claim its the fault of donald trump.

Of course there are nutjobs on the left. You don’t need to post lies to rebut that.

listermint

Eric Cartman wrote: »

even if that held , it still leaves evidence against listermints theory that there is no 'nutjobs' on the left.

The reality is political beliefs often have very little to do with mass shootings, its just a handy tidbit to try and blame any violence or destruction on the right so some people can play mental gymnastics and claim its the fault of donald trump.

If we're getting into statistics.

You will lose that battle.

everlast75

Such a petty and insecure guy.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097116612279316480?s=19

A person who cannot take criticism or satire.

From the moment he paid* people to cheer him on coming down an escalator, to his non-sensical claim over inauguration crowd size,to his constant tweets about popularity ratings and right wing pundits expressing their hair brained views on Mueller.

No wonder he is blown over by praise by Putin et al.

*he didn't pay them

Midlife

Eric Cartman wrote: »

even if that held , it still leaves evidence against listermints theory that there is no 'nutjobs' on the left.

The reality is political beliefs often have very little to do with mass shootings, its just a handy tidbit to try and blame any violence or destruction on the right so some people can play mental gymnastics and claim its the fault of donald trump.

Awesome.

SO. I'm 20% RIGHT then lads, eh.

rossie1977

everlast75 wrote: »

Such a petty and insecure guy.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097116612279316480?s=19

A person who cannot take criticism or satire.

Baldwin knocked it out of the park again.

Trump's retribution would be for all comedy be written by Ben Garrison I guess

marno21

What's on the way to provoke this?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097280840156020736

everlast75

marno21 wrote: »

What's on the way to provoke this?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097280840156020736

Just a normal Sunday evening in the W.H...

Igotadose

Midlife wrote: »

Awesome.

SO. I'm 20% RIGHT then lads, eh.

IMO the issue isn't liberal/right wing, it's 'who is encouraging this behavior, if it is being encouraged.'

Then, we have this article about Baldwin being threatened by Trump: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/18/media/alec-baldwin-donald-trump-snl/index.html

So.... calling on his '2d amendment people' versus Hilary, threatening retribution, 'enemy of the people, ' 'witch hunt'.. and we wonder why there're MAGA bombers and what his philosophy is? That's missing the point.

The loonies killing other people are loonies. Trump's violent rhetoric, however, is deserving of criticism. As POTUS, he has enormous responsibilities for *everything* he says and does. Any loonie left wing or right wing attacks while he's hectoring his cultists are on him. Period. Stop stirring the sh*t and the pot will stop boiling.

RIGOLO

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Now lets take that 3 billion dollars in tax credits, we were going to give to Amazon. Back to the people of NEW York so we can hire more teachers, more firemen, upgrade the subway and create jobs for those who need them most.

There is no 3 Billion to give back.

Even Di Blasio the Mayor of NY admits that.

It would seem AOC isnt the only person around here who didnt understand how the tax credits were going to work , or even understand the deal.

Its all over main stream news outlets, NBC Meet The Press , The Mayor of NY , calls it like it is

De Blasio says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez didn’t understand Amazon deal


https://nypost.com/2019/02/17/de-blasio-says-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-didnt-understand-amazon-deal/

The 3 billion was going to come from the 27 billion that Amazon would bring in revenue to the area .
Without Amazons 27 billion , theres nothing.

This is pure gold for Trump 2020

RIGOLO

Igotadose wrote: »

IMO the issue isn't liberal/right wing, it's 'who is encouraging this behavior, if it is being encouraged.'

Then, we have this article about Baldwin being threatened by Trump: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/18/media/alec-baldwin-donald-trump-snl/index.html

So.... calling on his '2d amendment people' versus Hilary, threatening retribution, 'enemy of the people, ' 'witch hunt'.. and we wonder why there're MAGA bombers and what his philosophy is? That's missing the point.

The loonies killing other people are loonies. Trump's violent rhetoric, however, is deserving of criticism. As POTUS, he has enormous responsibilities for *everything* he says and does. Any loonie left wing or right wing attacks while he's hectoring his cultists are on him. Period. Stop stirring the sh*t and the pot will stop boiling.

Thats very one dimensional.

Hilary, Maxine Waters, most chat show hosts, numerous Hollywood and media stars have all called for varying degrees of disruption, anti-Trump adminstration measures, stemming from insults, protests and right up to assasination .. and you blame it all on Trump.

Jussie Smollett , so oppressed by Trumps adminstration he had to find 2 nigerians to wear Maga hats and beat him up .

The only thing Trump is responsible for in the last 2 years is reviving the US economy, improving US Trade, getting NK back to the table , disrupting the spread of ISIS , the list goes on and on.

Individuals are responsible for their own actions. Dont blame it all on public enemy #1.

Even Material Girl herself got in on the act ... postulating about giving hte white House the Guy Fawkes treatment ....

listermint

RIGOLO wrote: »

Dont blame it all on public enemy #1.

But i thought that was the Press?

Isnt it the Press Rigolo ?

Midlife

RIGOLO wrote: »

There is no 3 Billion to give back.

Even Di Blasio the Mayor of NY admits that.

It would seem AOC isnt the only person around here who didnt understand how the tax credits were going to work , or even understand the deal.

Its all over main stream news outlets, NBC Meet The Press , The Mayor of NY , calls it like it is

De Blasio says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez didn’t understand Amazon deal


https://nypost.com/2019/02/17/de-blasio-says-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-didnt-understand-amazon-deal/

The 3 billion was going to come from the 27 billion that Amazon would bring in revenue to the area .
Without Amazons 27 billion , theres nothing.

This is pure gold for Trump 2020

I'd argue otherwise.

It was the 'global corporatist' tag that lost Hillary the election.

The ones who held their noses and voted for Trump are those that got him over the line. They did this because they thought he'd put their interests before the corporations.

The democrats are going to do their best to include this pitch in their 2020.

Trump can't. He can lie and ignore his tax cuts for the rich and constant touting of the stock exchange and evidence of growth.

But those that are experiencing his presidency will feel no different in four years and they won't fall for the lies again.

This radical wing of the democrats just told a multinational to get ****ed because they liked their neighbourhood the way it is and didn't want people coming in getting tax breaks and driving up house prices. Loads of those that voted for Trump, the Bernie converts, love this.

ECO_Mental

marno21 wrote: »

What's on the way to provoke this?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097280840156020736

One of the posters here a last week shared a link to a group of women who once a week summerise this whole Mueller investigation, they are good look them up "Mueller She Wrote"

Anyway Its a long podcast over an hour but and they mentioned a few things about the end of this month, Mueller has delayed sentencing of one or two lads and the Cohen congress interview until after the 28th of this month (or there abouts..) And there are a few other coincidences about the end of this month which they they are assuming are not coincidences. Ive been listing on an off walking the dog so I dont recall the exact details but you get my gist.

Anyway Trumpski ramping up the attacks on Mueller might mean that he might know something as well that's happen soon...

Leroy42

Hold on a sec. Wasn't Trump recently complaining about Amazon ripping off the US Postal Service?

Isn't Bezzo's, as owner of the WP, directly an enemy of the people?

Why all of a sudden are posters like Rigolo on the case of AOC and the like for actually putting one in the eye of Amazon? IS that that they realise that AOC has actually achieved something whilst Trump is nothing but bluster and trash talk.

mcmoustache

marno21 wrote: »

What's on the way to provoke this?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097280840156020736

I think it's just the McCabe interview.