Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

everlast75

RIGOLO wrote: »

Not really.

Theres no need to obfuscate, it seems Mueller is more than capable of obfuscating himself

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

RIGOLO wrote: »

he set out to find Russian collusion by Trump, him and the main stream media and a bunch of insiders in the DOJ.

he set out to investigate Russia's interference with the general election. He has found such interference.

He has nailed Manafort and Gates for doing exactly that. Doesn't look good for Stone either, in addition to any of those at the conspiracy meeting in Trump tower.

And insiders in the DOJ - the ould Deep State theory. I thought conspiracy theories were banned here?

RIGOLO wrote: »

And so far they havent laid a finger on Trump but they have managed to take down a few of their own in the cross fire and blowback. Its brought obfuscation to a whole new level.

They key words there being - "so far".

Their own people - I'm presuming you are talking about Comey, McCabe etc. They were all fired by Trump. The fact that they were in charge of counter intelligence is completely coincidental?

And today we enter day 767 of his Presidency. Who needs distraction techniques .

RIGOLO wrote: »

BTW theres 696 days to go for term 1 , maybe Mueller better get his skates on and get that report to Trumps AG , Bill Barrs desk.
Im sure Bill Barr will know what to do with it, he probably learned a few things when he was AG under Bush I in the early 90s.

So you're happy with him pardoning those found guilty of crimes then? Thanks for proving my point.


(BTW - the Dems can subpoena Mueller)

qwerty ui op

RIGOLO wrote: »

The anti-Trumpers are trying to make it sound likes its easier to get a 52 storey 200 metre skyscraper erected on 5th avenue than getting a septic tank approved for the back garden and anyone could do it. And all this in 70s NY in an area that was not in anyways affluent.

The bias runs deep. Cant even acknowledge that getting a Tower built in NY requires some form of planning and acumen.

You're the one who's taking this ambiguous story to view Trump in a positive light. I could say it's just a matter of a few phone calls if you inherited $400 million from your father and round and round we go... The point is, neither of us know anything about that world or exactly what happened, so why bring it up! why not just dismiss it completely when you rate Trump!

phater phagan

Igotadose wrote: »

In other news, it's articles like this one that really annoy me. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-corruption-2020-primary_n_5c742cf1e4b0f09f144f1241[/url.

They can't take a high road with Trump - that didn't work. They do need to fight him but there are way too many Democratic candidates now, all to Trump's advantage

Excellent point. During the 2016 campaign the Democrats were unable to grasp how modern politics works; evident by their blind confidence in Hillary Clinton, and nearly all the press organisations refused to believe that Trump could win.
I'm a great admirer of Michelle Obama. I think she's one of the smartest people around; however, her advice to Dems to "go high when they go low" was ill advised because it was taken as being effete and weak by people the Democrats needed to win over.
I sincerely hope that they've learned their lesson and fight Trump with his own tactics. If not, they world will be stuck with the madman and who knows how much more damage he'll be capable of.

BabyCheeses

RIGOLO wrote: »

potentially wont get anyone convicted in a court of law , not to mind getting an impeachment resolution passed , not to mind actually making an impeachment stick .

The more process crimes and pre-Trump issues that people are being hauled up on the more obvious it is Mueller has nothing on Russian Collusion by TRUMP.
Mueller is just shaking the tree and doing the old KGB dance, bring me the man and i will find you the crime .

Why do you think Trump is clueless about those working for him? He can build a skyscraper but can't run a presidential campaign?

RIGOLO

everlast75 wrote: »

I have no idea what you are talking about here.



he set out to investigate Russia's interference with the general election. He has found such interference.

He has nailed Manafort and Gates for doing exactly that. Doesn't look good for Stone either, in addition to any of those at the conspiracy meeting in Trump tower.

And insiders in the DOJ - the ould Deep State theory. I thought conspiracy theories were banned here?



They key words there being - "so far".

Their own people - I'm presuming you are talking about Comey, McCabe etc. They were all fired by Trump. The fact that they were in charge of counter intelligence is completely coincidental?

And today we enter day 767 of his Presidency. Who needs distraction techniques .



So you're happy with him pardoning those found guilty of crimes then? Thanks for proving my point.


(BTW - the Dems can subpoena Mueller)

I dont recall saying anything like that anywhere.

You seem to be claiming I somehow proved your point, by making a claim I said something which I didnt.
First we had fake news , now we have fake posts with claims I said things I never said. This is becoming a pattern .

aloyisious

RIGOLO wrote: »

potentially wont get anyone convicted in a court of law , not to mind getting an impeachment resolution passed , not to mind actually making an impeachment stick .

The more process crimes and pre-Trump issues that people are being hauled up on the more obvious it is Mueller has nothing on Russian Collusion by TRUMP.
Mueller is just shaking the tree and doing the old KGB dance, bring me the man and i will find you the crime .

Pre-Trump issues? Re your last sentence above, are you now implying that Mueller may be colluding with Russia? You have said here that you are not a Trumpist. To me anyone choosing to link Mueller to KGB practices is sailing close to obfuscation.

aloyisious

RIGOLO wrote: »

theres been various response on this ..

First the anti-Trump posters postulate because Trump didnt build the 52 Storey 200 metre skyscraper with his own hands , he didnt 'build it' .

Then theres a comment yaeh well it was over 30 years ago.

Now we have the claim because he didnt do the actual architectural drawings , hes not the planner .

Followed with a one liner claiming basically that his involvement was minimal .
So Carnegie Hall, Seagrams Bldg, Woolworths tower, Rockerfeller plaza , the list goes on, all had nothing todo with the ability of the person they are named after and basically, it was just an idea and they got someone else to do it so really they had little invovlement.

The anti-Trumpers are trying to make it sound likes its easier to get a 52 storey 200 metre skyscraper erected on 5th avenue than getting a septic tank approved for the back garden and anyone could do it. And all this in 70s NY in an area that was not in anyways affluent.

The bias runs deep. Cant even acknowledge that getting a Tower built in NY requires some form of planning and acumen.

OK. then perhaps we better leave the "he built the skyscraper" argument out of it as it was built before his term in office and stick to what has emerged and is emerging of his presidential work during his term in office.

Penn

aloyisious wrote: »

OK. then perhaps we better leave the "he built the skyscraper" argument out of it as it was built before his term in office and stick to what has emerged and is emerging of his presidential work during his term in office.

Agreed. That argument is pointless. What's more important to remember is that Michael Cohen is testifying in front of Senate Intelligence Committee today (private hearing), the House Oversight Committee tomorrow (public hearing) and House Intelligence Committee on Thursday (private hearing). He's expected to testify under oath to illegal activities/criminal conduct involving Trump both before and after becoming President, provide evidence of such, give details regarding Trump's financial statements, the hush money payments and contacts with Russia.

Let's not get distracted by how tall some of Trump's buildings are. It's not his buildings that are on shaky ground right now.

everlast75

RIGOLO wrote: »

I dont recall saying anything like that anywhere.

You seem to be claiming I somehow proved your point, by making a claim I said something which I didnt.
First we had fake news , now we have fake posts with claims I said things I never said. This is becoming a pattern .

so out of my entire post, can you confirm that's your only issue?

I was referring to proving my point as Barr was in charge at the time of the Iran Contra pardons. I thought (as you weren't entirely clear) that you were referring to that time in his career.

I am of course happy for you to elaborate, so can you please explain what you meant when you said

"Im sure Bill Barr will know what to do with it, he probably learned a few things when he was AG under Bush I in the early 90s."

RIGOLO

everlast75 wrote: »

so out of my entire post, can you confirm that's your only issue?

I was referring to proving my point as Barr was in charge at the time of the Iran Contra pardons. I thought (as you weren't entirely clear) that you were referring to that time in his career.

I am of course happy for you to elaborate, so can you please explain what you meant when you said

"Im sure Bill Barr will know what to do with it, he probably learned a few things when he was AG under Bush I in the early 90s."

When I said

Im sure Bill Barr will know what to do with it, he probably learned a few things when he was AG under Bush I in the early 90s.

what I meant was

Im sure Bill Barr will know what to do with it, he probably learned a few things when he was AG under Bush I in the early 90s.

everlast75

Anyone else thinking of "working from home" tomorrow to see the testimony of Cohen?

The WH's statement basically is that Cohen is a convicted liar.

And that's true.

However, I may believe him on the basis that;

1) he will be under oath and will serve time for lying

2) he is bringing documentation.

On the other hand, the WH expect us to believe whatever DJT says, despite the fact that there are over 9,000 of his I think at last count.

And for the record, yes - I would however be inclined to believe Trump on the same grounds, that is to say if he sits his ass down for testimony under oath and brings documents to back what he says up. Somehow, I doubt that, so in this case he loses the credibility battle between the two and I will be watching with interest.

RIGOLO

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. That argument is pointless. What's more important to remember is that Michael Cohen is testifying in front of Senate Intelligence Committee today (private hearing), the House Oversight Committee tomorrow (public hearing) and House Intelligence Committee on Thursday (private hearing). He's expected to testify under oath to illegal activities/criminal conduct involving Trump both before and after becoming President, provide evidence of such, give details regarding Trump's financial statements, the hush money payments and contacts with Russia.

Let's not get distracted by how tall some of Trump's buildings are. It's not his buildings that are on shaky ground right now.

Not really,
thats just whats important to the anti-Trumpers.

what is really important is

Trumps just come out of a 3 day mini-summit with China, the markets have reacted very positively and Trump administration iis now heading to Vietnam for another NK summit.

Thats the really important stuff

duploelabs

RIGOLO wrote: »

Not really,
thats just whats important to the anti-Trumpers.

what is really important is

Trumps just come out of a 3 day mini-summit with China, the markets have reacted very positively and Trump administration iis now heading to Vietnam for another NK summit.

Thats the really important stuff

To what? His summit? Can you prove that these are related otherwise I've a very nice rock that will keep you safe from tigers I wish to sell you

Penn

RIGOLO wrote: »

Not really,
thats just whats important to the anti-Trumpers.

what is really important is

Trumps just come out of a 3 day mini-summit with China, the markets have reacted very positively and Trump administration iis now heading to Vietnam for another NK summit.

Thats the really important stuff

That's what he's supposed to be doing. That's what a President is supposed to do. That's the job.

The President's former lawyer testifying under oath and providing evidence of criminal activities undertaken by the President both before and during his Presidency... That's out of the ordinary. That's potentially a development which could have legal ramifications for a sitting President, his family, his business and lead to further investigations into same. It's an important development for the Presidency of the USA itself.

RIGOLO

duploelabs wrote: »

To what? His summit? Can you prove that these are related otherwise I've a very nice rock that will keep you safe from tigers I wish to sell you

Pretty much all the finance news outlets reported positive market reaction yesterday both in the US and in Shanghai to Trumps administration comments . Heck I even saw the bump in my own portfolio.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-24/asia-stocks-to-gain-yuan-climbs-on-trade-optimism-markets-wrap

U.S. equities managed to hold on to early gains and close at the highest levels in almost four months after President Donald Trump postponed the date for boosting tariffs on Chinese imports, taken as a sign of progress in the trade talks. Bonds yields rose and oil retreated.

And elsewhere crude oil dropped after Trump tweeted.

Elsewhere, crude oil fell after Trump said in a tweet that prices were too high,

Theres been plenty posters here who claim Trump has no affect on the market, perhaps they would be interested in the rock you have to sell.

Stallingrad

Anyone else feel this thread has become a tiresome back and forth between Rigolo and those deconstructing his posts?

Maybe Rigolo can start his own thread 'The merits of Trump - discuss'.

marno21

Stallingrad wrote: »

Anyone else feel this thread has become a tiresome back and forth between Rigolo and those deconstructing his posts?

Maybe Rigolo can start his own thread 'The merits of Trump - discuss'.

It's hard to have a thread with "discuss" in it when one side of the discussion reads more like a series of press releases.

everlast75

Andrew Miller is an associate of Roger Stone and has been fighting a subpoena.

He has challenged the standing of Mueller as special Counsel.

This just in..

https://twitter.com/MikeScarcella/status/1100410533314875398

Miller's lawyers had contacted the SC and asked, following Stone's arrest, whether Miller had still to go in to see the grand jury thinking that he wouldn't have to.

The SC told him he still needed to come in.

So that basically means the SC isn't finished charging Stone... there are new charges to come.

everlast75

RIGOLO wrote: »

Trump is now heading to Vietnam for another NK summit.

50 years late he finally heads to Hanoi.

The bone spurs must have finally cleared up.

oscarBravo

RIGOLO wrote: »

First the anti-Trump posters postulate because Trump didnt build the 52 Storey 200 metre skyscraper with his own hands , he didnt 'build it' .

By far the more pertinent point on the topic of Trump's business acumen is that he ran three casinos into bankruptcy.

Again: he couldn't make money running casinos.

In terms of what he has achieved, it seems largely have been through stiffing suppliers and contractors.

It's hard to escape the conclusion that anyone who admires Trump's business acumen doesn't know thing one about business.

banie01

oscarBravo wrote: »

By far the more pertinent point on the topic of Trump's business acumen is that he ran three casinos into bankruptcy.

Again: he couldn't make money running casinos.

His use of the Casino's as a personal bank to prop up his other businesses would also make most accountants and regulatory minded managers quite nervous.

pixelburp

So apparently the Wall Street Journal is reporting that Michael Cohen's testimony will include an accusation of criminal conduct against the President. I don't have a subscription so can't read the entire article, but the article is supposedly citing "a person familiar with his planned testimony", goes without saying there's wriggle room over this being a fantasy:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cohen-to-testify-that-trump-engaged-in-criminal-conduct-while-in-office-11551175201

duploelabs

RIGOLO wrote: »

Pretty much all the finance news outlets reported positive market reaction yesterday both in the US and in Shanghai to Trumps administration comments . Heck I even saw the bump in my own portfolio.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-24/asia-stocks-to-gain-yuan-climbs-on-trade-optimism-markets-wrap



And elsewhere crude oil dropped after Trump tweeted.



Theres been plenty posters here who claim Trump has no affect on the market, perhaps they would be interested in the rock you have to sell.

There is absolutely nothing in that article that supports your claim that the markets climbed due to trump's summit with the despot in Vietnam as I asked for a supporting documentation to support this falsehood you spewed

Chips Lovell

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RIGOLO

oscarBravo wrote: »

By far the more pertinent point on the topic of Trump's business acumen is that he ran three casinos into bankruptcy.

Again: he couldn't make money running casinos.

In terms of what he has achieved, it seems largely have been through stiffing suppliers and contractors.

It's hard to escape the conclusion that anyone who admires Trump's business acumen doesn't know thing one about business.

I doubt Donald Trump was questioning his business acumen as
he gazed out on Pennsylvania Avenue on January 12th 2017 as he took the oath of office as the 45th President of the USA, and he also took in the view of his latest addition to his real estate empire, the historic Old Post Office Building , that had recently completed a 3 year renovation into a luxury hotel.
One of the most beautiful buildings in all of Washington.

Even the NYT were complimenting him on this in 2014 ..

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/realestate/commercial/finally-washingtons-old-post-office-gets-a-new-life.html

2014 .. folks and one of the comments from the article ...

According to Donald J. Trump, chairman and president of the Trump Organization, the two-year project is to be completed in time for the 2017 presidential inaugural parade, which will pass right in front en route from the Capitol to the White House.

plus Trump gets a 20% tax credit on renovations as its an historic building.

and read to the end of the article ..
Trump was in the process of buying the old FBI building.. how funny is that.

As if restoring the Old Post Office were not enough, the Trumps also have their eyes on the Federal Bureau of Investigation building a block away, on the opposite side of Pennsylvania Avenue. The General Services Administration is looking to turn over the Brutalist building to a developer in return for land elsewhere in the area on which to build a new F.B.I. headquarters.

“We’ve been looking at that closely,” Ms. Trump said. “Our first priority is the Old Post Office, but there is tremendous potential with the F.B.I.”

And the anti-Trumpers questions his business acumen, built a 200 meter skyscrapers on 5th avenue, bought an ex-Presidential Retreat as his personal retreat and ended up becoming President, and bought a hotel in 2014 to renovate in time for the 2017 Presidential inauguration, and it ended up being his own inauguration ..

oscarBravo

RIGOLO wrote: »

I doubt Donald Trump was questioning his business acumen as
he gazed out on Pennsylvania Avenue on January 12th 2017 as he took the oath of office as the 45th President of the USA, and he also took in the view of his latest addition to his real estate empire, the historic Old Post Office Building , that had recently completed a 3 year renovation into a luxury hotel.
One of the most beautiful buildings in all of Washington.

Even the NYT were complimenting him on this in 2014 ..

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/realestate/commercial/finally-washingtons-old-post-office-gets-a-new-life.html

2014 .. folks and one of the comments from the article ...



plus Trump gets a 20% tax credit on renovations as its an historic building.

and read to the end of the article ..
Trump was in the process of buying the old FBI building.. how funny is that.



And the anti-Trumpers questions his business acumen, built a 200 meter skyscrapers on 5th avenue, bought an ex-Presidential Retreat as his personal retreat and ended up becoming President, and bought a hotel in 2014 to renovate in time for the 2017 Presidential inauguration, and it ended up being his own inauguration ..

...and not a word about his serial bankruptcies, or his inability to make money running a casino. Just yet another in a long series of party political broadcasts.

RIGOLO

duploelabs wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing in that article that supports your claim that the markets climbed due to trump's summit with the despot in Vietnam as I asked for a supporting documentation to support this falsehood you spewed

RIGOLO wrote: »

Not really,
thats just whats important to the anti-Trumpers.

what is really important is

Trumps just come out of a 3 day mini-summit with China, the markets have reacted very positively and Trump administration iis now heading to Vietnam for another NK summit.

Thats the really important stuff

I never said the markets reacted to the Vietnam summit..

I said the markets reacted to his meeting with China ...

The only falsehood being spewed is in your post.

Igotadose

So, Trump apparently grabbed a campaign staffer during the campaign and she's suing in federal court. Kind of swept up in the daily Trump drama. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/25/donald-trump-campaign-staffer-files-sexual-misconduct-lawsuit-against-president

Well, I'll give Trump credit. There's one thing he consistently does - molest women. Doesn't seem like he plans the encounters too well, though, just basically attacks on a whim. Not much of a planner, POTUS45

RIGOLO

Stallingrad wrote: »

Anyone else feel this thread has become a tiresome back and forth between Rigolo and those deconstructing his posts?

Maybe Rigolo can start his own thread 'The merits of Trump - discuss'.

I dont find it tiresome .

I was under the impression the thread was called the Donald Trump Presidency Discussion.
Other than the generic Boards rules are there specific rules for this thread on what can and cant be posted.

Quin_Dub

RIGOLO wrote: »

and read to the end of the article ..
Trump was in the process of buying the old FBI building.. how funny is that.

That would be the building that he didn't get to buy , and then after becoming President he got involved in the FBI redevelopment plans and suggested that they stay at the site instead of the proposed (and much cheaper) option of selling the site to a developer and moving out to the suburbs - Which was everyones preferred option as it would give the FBI more room etc. etc.

But - If the Hoover building was sold to a developer (not Trump) it was proposed to build a Hotel as part of the work .Which would be in direct competition with the Trump hotel at the post office..


Trump’s Focus on a Washington Building Project Draws Scrutiny

The F.B.I. project was a long-debated plan to turn the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s crumbling Brutalist headquarters, the J. Edgar Hoover Building, over to a commercial developer, who could demolish it and build something new there. In return, the developer would construct a new, state-of-the-art campus for the F.B.I. in the Washington area.

Mr. Trump never pursued it, but the F.B.I. building continued to intersect with his business — and later with his presidency. As recently as early 2015, months before he announced his candidacy, an executive at his company expressed concern to a congressional aide about the redevelopment project creating potential competition for Mr. Trump’s hotel. And now, as the first real estate developer turned president, Mr. Trump has again taken an interest in the F.B.I. project.

Within months of his taking office, his administration killed the original plan to trade the Hoover site for a suburban campus. A little over a year into Mr. Trump’s term, and after at least one meeting in which the president was personally involved, the administration announced a new plan that would keep the F.B.I. on the existing site in a new building, rather than turn over the property for commercial development.

So - He didn't get to buy it and it now seems that he unduly influenced the decision not to sell it to someone else as that would impacts the profits of the company he's supposed to no longer be working for.