Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

everlast75

For those saying yesterday was nothing, my view was that there were multiple possible charges against DJT and I was hoping someone more clever than I to set them out. Thankfully, someone did (thread)

https://twitter.com/KenGude/status/1100888190540496897?s=19

jooksavage

mcmoustache wrote: »

In other news, Trump has dropped the demand for an accounting of NK's nuclear program.

Maybe I'm too cynical but it looks like a way to come up with a tremendous deal, the best deal you've ever seen where Kim promises that he stops the nuclear program but doesn't have to verify it.

This is a disaster. Trump is so desperate for the appearance of a win that he's going to turn a blind eye to NK's continuing nuclear program. And to think this f****** moron and his enablers tore up the Iran deal... Insanity.

The real problem will be 2 years from now when the next President, by merely manning up and implementing responsible verification measures, will be seen to be escalating tensions. At that stage NK will have gone 3-4 years without any serious response to their ongoing nuclear program and will present an even bigger risk.

Remember those gob****es on here who told us Trump would make the world safer? Yeah, no.

TomOnBoard

Finally, a smoking gun:

Cheque 1 signed by POTUS while in office, and
Cheque 2 signed by Don Jr and Allen Weiselberg.

These are claimed to be 2 of the payments made to pay Cohen back for the Stormy payment, that being the payment that led to Cohen's SDNY guilty charge for a campaign finance violation in which Individual 1 was an unindicted co-conspirator.

Just one brick in the wall. Basically, at this stage, Mueller reports will be the least of Trump's worries. When the ongoing SDNY investigation has completed, the Trump organisation and its top layers will have to face multiple fraud charges and most likely a big fat RICO case.

Yesterday's Cohen hearings mark the beginning of Trump's end...

RIGOLO

So the Democrats brought their circus back to town, the same one that was in town for Brett Kavanuagh. Only this time it was even more ragged and tatty and the show was even more in-ept.
What was billed as some epic reveal all hearing , descended into farce and has the media scrambling to extract something seismic for the anti-TRumpers out of it.
It was nothing more than some Soviet style show trial.
Cummings should watch a few Republican led hearings , he might learn something.

Among many farcical moments , in the many hours of testimony and cross examination of man convicted of perjury and fraud and on his way to jail , (note it’s the first time in US Cngress history they have called on a convicted felon to testify before such a Committee, another low for the Dems , they don’t care who they associate with)
We had the farce of Debbie Wasserman Schultz , Democrat ask Michael Cohen if Trump had worked with Russia to rig the 2016 election, this is the same Debbie Wasserman Schul who was forced to resign as DNC Committee Chair for rigging the 2016 Democratic Primary so Hillary could win.


As I flipped between Bloomberg Daybreak Asia and Nippon TV coverage of the NK – USA Summit , flipping between REAL news and this staged ‘roast’ of Donald Trump it just
highlighted the media and DNC have doubled down on their strategy. That’s good for Trump and the GOP in the long run. Media and DNC are going to keep rolling out the clowns and circus shows, whilst Trump administration gets on with dealing with dictators who have 175 Kiloton nuclear devices.


And to top it all Cohen has gotten hit by Mark Meadows (GOP) with a new refereal to the DOJ for FARB violations and further lieing under oath to Congress and could get hit with more time .

And then if Cohens day wasnt bad enough, before he signs off Cummings the ringmaster
delivers his closing remarks and bsically calls Cohen a RAT , calls him a SNITCH . Just to remind his new buddies in jail what Cohen is, and we all know the jail saying ‘snitches get stitiches ‘
I bet Cohen really appreciated that.

If Mueller is including any testimony from Cohen in his report , that testimony is already shot, his witness credibility is shot beyond repair.

As one commentator said its all apparent now why the Democrats and Cummings renamed this Committee. What was once the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform , is now thanks to Cummings and the DNC The Committee on Oversight and Reform… They have dropped the Government part.
Just making it ld and clear by putting into the title that’s its now a Democrat body that will go after every opposition entity .Once again the abuse of power has become institutionalised thanks to the DNC.

And now the Democrat circus is leaving town moving onto its next tent spot for the next round of its theatre of the absurd.
My take away
Cohen will get 3 years
Trump will get 4 more years…

RIGOLO

jooksavage wrote: »

This is a disaster. Trump is so desperate for the appearance of a win that he's going to turn a blind eye to NK's continuing nuclear program. And to think this f****** moron and his enablers tore up the Iran deal... Insanity.

The real problem will be 2 years from now when the next President, by merely manning up and implementing responsible verification measures, will be seen to be escalating tensions. At that stage NK will have gone 3-4 years without any serious response to their ongoing nuclear program and will present an even bigger risk.

Remember those gob****es on here who told us Trump would make the world safer? Yeah, no.

Obama - 4 Nuclear Tests by NK in his reign - 0 summits
TRump - 1 Nuclear Test - 2 Summits (Edit : breaking news it seems ... lets call it 1.5 Summits :-) )

Obama - 600,000 dead in Syria as ISIS swept west
TRump - ISIS down to its last stronghold in Syria

Gob****s s your word.
If being a gob***S means I prefer Summits to Nuclear tests by dictators and intercontinenal ballistic missles splashing over Hawaii,
If being a gob****s means I prefer a US President who puts ISIS on its knees than one who allowed chemical attacks on kids to continue at will.. then yeah Im a gob***s.

Christy42

Didn't Trump dismiss a reporter's question suggesting the reporter must be on her period?

Didn't he push for the death penalty of a group of black penalty already shown to be innocent?

Didn't he push the birther conspiracy with the sum total evidence of it being that Obama was black?

Dudes a racist and a sexist. If he doesn't class for you you need to take a long hard look at where the bar is set.

jochenstacker

Is it just me, or are Eric and Fraudster getting more desperate and shrill every day?
Your posts are reminiscent of German propaganda ca. 1944.
"Deutsche Truppen Marschieren Siegreich Auf Allen Fronten!"
At this stage people support Trump because they either haven't got the necessary IQ points to see what he is, have a vested interest in supporting him, or they support him because he is a lying, corrupt, misogynistic, racist piece of shizzle and they are as well.

RIGOLO

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Finally, a smoking gun:

Cheque 1 signed by POTUS while in office, and
Cheque 2 signed by Don Jr and Allen Weiselberg.

These are claimed to be 2 of the payments made to pay Cohen back for the Stormy payment, that being the payment that led to Cohen's SDNY guilty charge for a campaign finance violation in which Individual 1 was an unindicted co-conspirator.

Just one brick in the wall. Basically, at this stage, Mueller reports will be the least of Trump's worries. When the ongoing SDNY investigation has completed, the Trump organisation and its top layers will have to face multiple fraud charges and most likely a big fat RICO case.

Yesterday's Cohen hearings mark the beginning of Trump's end...

We heard that line quite alot during the election run up 2015, we heard it post the 2016 election in the run up to the inauguration, we heard that line after the inauguration and we have heard that line pretty much once a week for every week of Trumps near 800 days in office ....

At this stage when I hear that line, I just think Tumps never been more secure, the more the left and ani-TRumpers think they have something the more apparent it is they are grasping at straws and have never been further from their holy grail , whatever that oly grail is.. impeachement removal from office who knows.

Super Senate majority required for a trial conviction post impeachment.. is never going to happen . And Cohens pathetic testimony and the KGB show trial that it was has just re-affirmed that.

The Democrats are giving out gold plated victimhood cards, if you are a pornstars, a pornstars lawyer, a lawyer on your way to jail, an MS-13 gang member, the list goes on .. roll up theres one for you just align yourself with the anti-Trump brigade.

Do the Democrats have a policy to win the election yet, or is it still, Orange man bad, vote for us.

Beechwoodspark

Nothing new but Trump sounded like a complete imbecile at the press conference in Hanoi.

Christy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Finally, a smoking gun:

Cheque 1 signed by POTUS while in office, and
Cheque 2 signed by Don Jr and Allen Weiselberg.

These are claimed to be 2 of the payments made to pay Cohen back for the Stormy payment, that being the payment that led to Cohen's SDNY guilty charge for a campaign finance violation in which Individual 1 was an unindicted co-conspirator.

Just one brick in the wall. Basically, at this stage, Mueller reports will be the least of Trump's worries. When the ongoing SDNY investigation has completed, the Trump organisation and its top layers will have to face multiple fraud charges and most likely a big fat RICO case.

Yesterday's Cohen hearings mark the beginning of Trump's end...

We heard that line quite alot during the election run up 2015, we heard it post the 2016 election in the run up to the inauguration, we heard that line after the inauguration and we have heard that line pretty much once a week for every week of Trumps near 800 days in office ....

At this stage when I hear that line, I just think Tumps never been more secure, the more the left and ani-TRumpers think they have something the more apparent it is they are grasping at straws and have never been further from their holy grail , whatever that oly grail is.. impeachement removal from office who knows.

Super Senate majority required for a trial conviction post impeachment.. is never going to happen . And Cohens pathetic testimony and the KGB show trial that it was has just re-affirmed that.

The Democrats are giving out gold plated victimhood cards, if you are a pornstars, a pornstars lawyer, a lawyer on your way to jail, an MS-13 gang member, the list goes on .. roll up theres one for you just align yourself with the anti-Trump brigade.

Do the Democrats have a policy to win the election yet, or is it still, Orange man bad, vote for us.

You insult someone's credibility for being a stripper while supporting a man who cheated with her on his wife.

I do love that when some turns on Trump the evidence of their dishonesty is what they did for Trump! If SHS flipped they would hold up the press briefings as a reason to not trust her!

Again you talk about the requirements to convict. Not about Trump's supposed innocence. Again it is about attacking those who attack Trump. Nothing about defending the man. It is a common theme. If you go after Trump they will not try and discredit your claims, they will try and attack you. No interest in playing the ball.


Oh and the talks that Trump claimed victory on a year ago have collapsed. How is that claim working out for him. So many 1-1 meetings result in him simply being shown up.

FionnK86

The two lads not getting on!

TomOnBoard

RIGOLO wrote: »

My take away
Cohen will get 3 years
Trump will get 4 more years…

Oooookay! Does that mean that Trump's sentence will be limited to a 7-year stint inside? So, assuming he's not indicted until 2021, that'll bring his jail sentence up to 2028/29. Maybe he can share a cell with Paulie, as I dont think he 'll be allowed to bunk in with Junior? Nepotism may be OK in the White House, but it's frowned upon in prison...

mcmoustache

RIGOLO wrote: »

SNIP

So. Have you figured out how to spin us the conclusion of Trump's summit with Kim or do you need to wait for Sarah Sanders?

Penn

RIGOLO wrote: »

Do the Democrats have a policy to win the election yet, or is it still, Orange man bad, vote for us.

Well it worked for Trump and his "Black man bad, vote for me" campaign

duploelabs

Penn wrote: »

Well it worked for Trump and his "Black man bad, vote for me" campaign

And Hillary bad, vote for me

Quin_Dub

jochenstacker wrote: »

Is it just me, or are Eric and Fraudster getting more desperate and shrill every day?
Your posts are reminiscent of German propaganda ca. 1944.
"Deutsche Truppen Marschieren Siegreich Auf Allen Fronten!"
At this stage people support Trump because they either haven't got the necessary IQ points to see what he is, have a vested interest in supporting him, or they support him because he is a lying, corrupt, misogynistic, racist piece of shizzle and they are as well.

##Mod Note##

Jochenstacker will be taking a break.

General warning to all.

Play the ball , not the man.

Leroy42

Whilst Trump supporters will of course come on here and try to dismiss yesterday Cohen testimony (and remember he will be giving testimony to the Senate as well behind closed doors) as yet another nothing burger, it was very clear that things have taken a major change in DC. This was so different than the GOP headed committees that we have had for the last two years.

It is pretty clear the strategy that the DNC are going with. They do not expect any knock out blow, certainly not from Cohen. But what it does it it drags other people back into the orbit. Trump Jr will now be asked to explain the signing of the cheque. Trump himself will have to explain why he continued to deny the Daniels story yet agreed to pay her off.

AOC raised the prospect of issues with tax returns, laying the groundwork for a subpoena for Trump's tax returns.

What is pretty evident is that Trump is in for a testing time over the next two years and the blocking tactics of the likes of Nunes will no longer be open to the GOP. Jordan tried his best yesterday, but he never once tried to explain of excuse the cheques or the Russia Tower deal or anything.

pixelburp

Well how many political careers have been ruined by the cover-up, rather than the 'crime' itself? It's all well and good for those claiming Cohen's testimony amounts to nothing - but to do so is to wilfully ignore how politics operates in the Western Hemisphere.
In politics, the cover-up (or lying about knowledge of the incident) is the worse offence.

RIGOLO

mcmoustache wrote: »

So. Have you figured out how to spin us the conclusion of Trump's summit with Kim or do you need to wait for Sarah Sanders?

It reminds me of the Reagan Rekjavik summit in 1986, with the talks collapsing at the last minute.
It reminds me of the Irish peace process talks which started in 1994, collapsed in 96 and we had the Docklands bombing and then resumed and we ultimately led to the Good Friday agreement.

As I said before on this thread when the first summit happened..

Think long term, think Rekjavik summit, think glasnost and peristroika, think the irish peace process, think how history has thought us how things work in the real world and evolve over months and years and even decades.

I lived thru the Rekjavik summits, glasnost, peristrokia, heck I even have a piece of the wall somewhere in the attic . I lived thru the northern Ireland peace process, where back channels and unofficial talks were taking place throughout the 80s, with the first major ceasefires being in 94 and ultimatley leading to Good Friday agreement in 98 or thereabouts.

The left , the main stream media and anti-Trumpers have their spin, it was a photo op, he got played , nothing was achieved, etc etc

The real world has as an example, the end of the Cold War brought about by 12 summits between 1985 and 1991 between the US President and the Russian leader ,
US RUSSIA Summits - Geneva, Reykavik, Washington, Moscow, New York, Valetta, Washington, Helsinki, Paris, London, Moscow , Madrid, not to meniton the 20 other ones that took place pre 85

Its a shame they are removing History from core subjects in the Irish education system . History has thought us how summits, peace process and geo-political events workout over many years. We seem to have already lost that lesson even before the removal of History from the core curriculum.

circadian

RIGOLO wrote: »

It reminds me of the Reagan Rekjavik summit in 1986, with the talks collapsing at the last minute.
It reminds me of the Irish peace process talks which started in 1994, collapsed in 96 and we had the Docklands bombing and then resumed and we ultimately led to the Good Friday agreement.

As I said before on this thread when the first summit happened..

Think long term, think Rekjavik summit, think glasnost and peristroika, think the irish peace process, think how history has thought us how things work in the real world and evolve over months and years and even decades.

I lived thru the Rekjavik summits, glasnost, peristrokia, heck I even have a piece of the wall somewhere in the attic . I lived thru the northern Ireland peace process, where back channels and unofficial talks were taking place throughout the 80s, with the first major ceasefires being in 94 and ultimatley leading to Good Friday agreement in 98 or thereabouts.

The left , the main stream media and anti-Trumpers have their spin, it was a photo op, he got played , nothing was achieved, etc etc

The real world has as an example, the end of the Cold War brought about by 12 summits between 1985 and 1991 between the US President and the Russian leader ,
US RUSSIA Summits - Geneva, Reykavik, Washington, Moscow, New York, Valetta, Washington, Helsinki, Paris, London, Moscow , Madrid, not to meniton the 20 other ones that took place pre 85

Its a shame they are removing History from core subjects in the Irish education system . History has thought us how summits, peace process and geo-political events workout over many years. We seem to have already lost that lesson even before the removal of History from the core curriculum.

No. You don't get to compare Trumps farcical distraction of meeting with a Dictator to something that I, and many others on here lived through. There are absolutely no parallels in these things.

I grew up with shootings, riots and bombings all around me. People were murdering one another on the streets. Trump is murdering his own country for personal gain and everyone around him is doing the same. This meeting with Kim is nothing more than propaganda for Trump. He couldn't care less about moving Kim from nukes. The only reason they haven't tested is because their test site collapsed a few years ago.

There are absolutely no parallels between Trump flying, ironically, to Vietnam to sit and take photographs with a dictator to boost his ratings and the Northern Irish Peace Process. Donald Trump isn't fit to lick John Hume's boots.

duploelabs

mcmoustache wrote: »

So. Have you figured out how to spin us the conclusion of Trump's summit with Kim or do you need to wait for Sarah Sanders?

I lament my lack of a new coin

Professor Moriarty

circadian wrote: »

No. You don't get to compare Trumps farcical distraction of meeting with a Dictator to something that I, and many others on here lived through. There are absolutely no parallels in these things.

I grew up with shootings, riots and bombings all around me. People were murdering one another on the streets. Trump is murdering his own country for personal gain and everyone around him is doing the same. This meeting with Kim is nothing more than propaganda for Trump. He couldn't care less about moving Kim from nukes. The only reason they haven't tested is because their test site collapsed a few years ago.

There are absolutely no parallels between Trump flying, ironically, to Vietnam to sit and take photographs with a dictator to boost his ratings and the Northern Irish Peace Process. Donald Trump isn't fit to lick John Hume's boots.

Well said.

everlast75

When presented with intelligence from his own Agencies that stated North Korea had long range missiles that could attack the US, Trump said he didn't believe them, because "Putin told him that was not true".

According to the AP, " Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says the United States has asked Moscow's advice in dealing with North Korea before a summit between President Donald Trump and the North Korean leader."

So we have Trump taking Putin's word re intelligence on NK over his own, and Trump seeking their advice in how to deal with KJU.

Trump also parroted Putin's spin on their reason to invade Afghanistan which is historically incorrect.

How anybody can say that there isn't something fundamentally wrong here, is beyond me.

I mean - do his supporters think that

a) Trump knows better than his own intelligence agencies
b) Putin is to be trusted
c) his own intelligence agencies are not to be trusted


Also, do they not have a problem with him taking KJU's word in relation to the murder of a citizen, Putin's word in relation to interference in the election, and MBS's word in relation to the bone saw incident.

That kind of affinity (or admiration) for a murderous dictator again should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells.

20Cent

The bit I can't get my head around is the GOP dismissing Cohen because he is a convicted liar and fraudster. Which is true.
But he was convicted for covering up for trump. They don't ask anything about why he lied and committed fraud or whi for.

jooksavage

Last year, on Lawfare Steph Haggard and Mira Raap Hooper predicted this how things would ultimately pan out with North Korea. They said that after all the photos and self-congratulations of the first summit, which actually produced very little the in the way of substance, follow-up dialogue was doomed to failure because (1) the diplomatic corps has been gutted and didn't have the expertise that would help the administration to navigate the extremely nuanced politics of the region and (2) the commander-in-chief himself had precisely zero understanding and no desire to understand the motivations of the NK regime. He had approached an escalating international crisis like any other photo-op.

When you listen to someone like Tommy Vietor explain the years of behind-the-scenes diplomatic wrangling and tens of thousands of man hours that went into the Iran deal, it makes Trump's attempt with NK look like a crude crayon rendering magnetted to a fridge and really makes you wonder if anyone apart from Trump seriously thought anything could come of it.

Dytalus

20Cent wrote: »

The bit I can't get my head around is the GOP dismissing Cohen because he is a convicted liar and fraudster. Which is true.
But he was convicted for covering up for trump. They don't ask anything about why he lied and committed fraud or whi for.

They don't want to be caught defending Trump. Either because they believe his guilt, but don't want to admit it, or because they're afraid that actively defending him would seem like an admission of guilt. "Why would an innocent feel the need to defend himself?" Which is obviously ridiculous, but those are the only options I can see.

So instead they need to assassinate Cohen's character, rather than defend against the allegations. It's similar to some of their election debate strategies, they attack their opponent rather than defend themselves when confronted.

jooksavage

20Cent wrote: »

The bit I can't get my head around is the GOP dismissing Cohen because he is a convicted liar and fraudster. Which is true.
But he was convicted for covering up for trump. They don't ask anything about why he lied and committed fraud or whi for.

This 100%. They were an absolute disgrace. A few things really struck me: the numerous times they quoted from the SDNY sentencing recommendation in order to discredit Cohen. The same document also has some pretty damning things to say about INDIVIDUAL ONE.


Also the way the GOP speakers kept deferring their time to attack dog Jim Jordan... really?!! Jim Jordan, the man who's been accused up and down of ignoring rampant sexual abuse - he's your go-to guy for attacking the character of Michael Cohen? OK....

Gbear

I've been listening to Preet Bharara's podcast recently. He's a former US Attorney for SDNY and was sacked by Jeff Sessions when he refused to resign, so I've found that he has a good insight into the cavalcade of nonsense we're treated to daily, and he has good contacts that he gets to come on the show regularly.

He had a decent summary of yesterday's events at the start of his podcast.

jooksavage

Gbear wrote: »

I've been listening to Preet Bharara's podcast recently. He's a former US Attorney for SDNY and was sacked by Jeff Sessions when he refused to resign, so I've found that he has a good insight into the cavalcade of nonsense we're treated to daily, and he has good contacts that he gets to come on the show regularly.

He had a decent summary of yesterday's events at the start of his podcast.

Yeah Preet's podcast and his tweets are always worthwhile (although he was pretty much directly responsible for me losing my job at Full Tilt Poker / Pocket Kings back in 2011 after he spearheaded an investigation into admittedly extremely illegal activities)

Itssoeasy

So why has Trump left the summit early do we know ? I know Vietnam is hours ahead of us and the United States but wasn't it meant to go on longer ?

Also, I've seen that Trump seems to believe the North Korean leader that he(Kim) had no idea about the torture and treatment of that American student who came back to America is a awful condition and then died. Where have we heard this before ? Just because someone says something forceably or confidently doesn't mean it's true.