Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

everlast75

everlast75 wrote: »

CNN did quite the fluff piece on her yesterday evening.

It is intriguing.

However, it does not, in any way distract from the serious stuff. And for what its worth, I don't think the majority of America will thank KAH after she jumps ship (if that is what she is going to do)

And another...


https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1108712631806902272



Disgusting stuff

8-10

pixelburp wrote: »

You don't have to dig very deep to find a kind of neurosis that suggests the man just can't operate within a sphere outside of his own self-absorption. Nobody thanked me! Nevermind that it's just what you do when someone dies, nobody thanked me! Not just here, but other speeches, rallies, etc., he seems to require a constant supply of reinforcement or adoration. Which, as my armchair expertise understands, is a classic element of narcissism, that constant need for praise.

Post gets 8 thanks and counting....I know your game

valoren

serfboard wrote: »

I posted this before, but it's worth repeating again, and George Conway made reference to it in a recent tweet - it's the DSM-5 (The 5th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, published by the American Psychiatric Association) indicator of Narcissitic Personality Disorder (NPD). People with NPD usually display some or all of the following symptoms:
It looks like Trump has a full house on this one.

He is the epitome of that disorder.

He is also projecting by labelling Conway's husband as a loser. The reality is that Trump himself knows that he is the loser. The drip-drip exposure of his financial practices show that he is a complete spoofer who at a minimum understood that he could maximise leverage from his father's millions and get banks to lend him even more thus taking on all the risk. Imagine if you were a narcissistic prick, a nobody, who inherited circa $400 million over the space of two decades and got leveraged up to the eyeballs. You too might think you were a genius and self-made as you play billionaire. In his early career he experienced a bull market with NY real estate and confused it for brains. The reality was that he had the financial clout and the established connections in place thanks to Fred to capitalise on that boom. His Dad was the grafter, the self-made man. Trump, a self proclaimed business genius, didn't even have the business chops to run a casino profitably.

In the end, he crashed but didn't burn as it was the US banks who were on the hook for his loans. He was regarded as a joke and a pariah throughout the 90's and then Dad dies in 99 and leaves him hundreds of millions and the cycle repeats except this time the US banks won't touch him with a barge pole. He get's in bed with Deutsche for up to $2 billion using his Dad's extensive property portfolio as collateral and he get's to play billionaire again until the next crash. Then presumably during the recovery from 08, the only people who can leverage him are likely Russian oligarchs eager to put their money to work with a useful idiot. He is also projecting with the sheer litany of his tweets about no Russian collusion. He is likely deeply indebted with politically poisonous Russians.

It's the reason he is so antagonistic. He attacks everything and anything that threatens the narcissistic bubble he has developed for decades which will show that the man is a loser. All impression management. McCain, disregarding his politics, has respect for serving his country but the people who Trump craves admiration from know his father used his clout to get him out of serving.


http://fortune.com/2019/03/19/deutsche-bank-donald-trump-loans/

borderlinemeath

AOC has tweeted support for Jacinda Ardern banning semi automatic weapons with immediate effect following the Christchurch terrorist attack.

Sandy Hook happened 6 years ago and we can’t even get the Senate to hold a vote on universal background checks w/ #HR8. Christchurch happened, and within days New Zealand acted to get weapons of war out of the consumer market. This is what leadership looks like

Expect a barbed attack from Trump in the coming days on one or both of them. He'll be needled on the leadership comment, but he'll get a little bump from the NRA that will push him into tweeting at dawn about it.

serfboard

valoren wrote: »

He get's in bed with Deutsche for up to $2 billion

Deutsche - would that be the Russian money-laundering bank?

valoren wrote: »

http://fortune.com/2019/03/19/deutsche-bank-donald-trump-loans/

From that article:

The bank lent to Trump despite multiple “red flags” waved by other financial institutions as well its own internal investigations between the late 1990s and 2016.
...
A senior investment-banking executive ... warned management that Trump worked with people who were tied to organized crime and should be avoided.
...
Years later, Deutsche continued lending to Trump even though ... he was found to have inflated his real estate assets by 70%.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Banks are bad people.

Much more concerned about the golan heights tweet today. This goes against decades of US policy and international laws

UsedToWait

Years later, Deutsche continued lending to Trump even though ... he was found to have inflated his real estate assets by 70%.

° And working at Deutsche Bank:
Justice Kennedy's son..

https://mobile.twitter.com/Koogslaw/status/1107830098714157057


https://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-kennedy-son-loaned-president-trump-over-a-billion-dollars-2018-6?r=US&IR=T

alchemist33

serfboard wrote: »

I posted this before, but it's worth repeating again, and George Conway made reference to it in a recent tweet - it's the DSM-5 (The 5th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, published by the American Psychiatric Association) indicator of Narcissitic Personality Disorder (NPD). People with NPD usually display some or all of the following symptoms:
It looks like Trump has a full house on this one.

The bit that's left out here is that to diagnose any personality disorder, or pretty much any illness, "The enduring pattern leads to clinically significant distress or
impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of
functioning."

And that's debatable, unless an honest interview with him and/or a close relative reveals it. I'm not saying he doesn't have NPD or any other personality disorder, but people shouldn't be doing diagnoses at a distance (not having a go at you btw, but I work in mental healthand see the pitfalls of people doing this)

UsedToWait

alchemist33 wrote: »

The bit that's left out here is that to diagnose any personality disorder, or pretty much any illness, "The enduring pattern leads to clinically significant distress or
impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of
functioning."

And that's debatable, unless an honest interview with him and/or a close relative reveals it. I'm not saying he doesn't have NPD or any other personality disorder, but people shouldn't be doing diagnoses at a distance (not having a go at you btw, but I work in mental healthand see the pitfalls of people doing this)

Superseded by the 'duty to warn' in this case...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-time-cure/201709/the-dangerous-case-donald-trump

Gartner speaks for the book contributors as well as the 60,000-plus mental health professionals who signed his petition when he contends that the mental health community has an obligation to protect the public that overrides the Goldwater Rule [not to diagnose at a distance] ... that Trump has proved himself a clear and present danger.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1108777976014036993?s=19


I'm starting to think the Reps weren't too concerned with Hillary's emails...

Odhinn

The damage this thing has wrought will last for decades.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47657843

pixelburp

And remember, Clinton was supposedly the worse choice, because she was a warmonger they said. Specifically that word too, used many times and even here. Whatever Trumps faults were, Clinton would be a destabilising influence on the world stage, her 'establishment' connections causing all sorts of regional bothers.

So...

Can we finally put that nonsense to bed, with this Golan Heights decision? It was always plainly rubbish and with Jon Bolton now whispering into Trumps ear, it'll be a small miracle if the region doesn't erupt in more conflict thanks to Trumps (mis)direction.

serfboard

I'm surprised that people are surprised by this Golan Heights "decision".

The Trump administration's policies on Israel and the Middle East are the same as the Netanyahu's administration's policies. And:

RTE wrote:

Mr Netanyahu, who faces an election in Israel on 9 April, has been pressing for the US to recognise its claim to sovereignty over the Golan Heights.

Ultros

Getting close now

https://twitter.com/ABC7NY/status/1109035170320076801

mcmoustache

Ultros wrote: »

Getting close now

https://twitter.com/ABC7NY/status/1109035170320076801

I'd be skeptical. Outside of Stone, predicting Mueller's moves hasn't had a great record. his office has been fairly tight lipped.

Billy Mays

Pompeo


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47670717


So Mike seems to think that God sat idly by while the Nazis killed millions of jews in the 30s/40s but in 2016 decided to recruit Donald Trump to save them from the evil Iranians


Absolutely batsh!t f*cking mental

Stallingrad

Billy Mays wrote: »

Pompeo
Absolutely batsh!t f*cking mental

The lunatics are running the asylum. This Christian extremism fans the fires for more Islamic extremism, it's almost as if this administration is trying to prompt some kind of response...

duploelabs

Ultros wrote: »

Getting close now

https://twitter.com/ABC7NY/status/1109035170320076801

Absolutely not. Any rhetoric, predominantly from the right-leaning media, that Mueller is finishing up soon has been proven wrong in the past

Leroy42

Ultros wrote: »

Getting close now

https://twitter.com/ABC7NY/status/1109035170320076801

It could of course be right, even a broken clock and all that, but to think along the lines that it is coming to an end shortly one has to ask what Mueller did with all the information he got in return for the plea deals he has done with so many people he has under investigation.

Did he simply give Cohen a plea deal for the sake of it? And Flynn? Manafort had one but lost it due to lying.

Igotadose

First always-wrong Kudlow as economic adviser. Now, never-right Moore on the Fed. The gift of the Trump admin. Moore'll be a disaster but they're going to destroy the Fed anyway, can't have *any* controls on business in the US with these nims running the ship.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/22/trump-fed-job-stephen-moore-1232529

https://archives.cjr.org/united_states_project/stephen_moore_heritage_foundation_paul_krugman_kansas_city_star.php

everlast75

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1109150435204648963?s=19

There ya go folks.

It boils down to whether he likes you or not. International policy or strategy be damned.

Itssoeasy

Multiple people are saying the robert Mueller has submitted his final report to the AG William Barr. The Russia investigation is over. Now to see what he found that we didn't know.

Ludo

Meuller report delivered to Justice Dept. Now we wait. Unfortunately, I don't think it will hold anything damaging to Trump.

Headshot

My worry is they'll hide some of the findings and make up some BS about national security

blackwave

Ludo wrote: »

Meuller report delivered to Justice Dept. Now we wait. Unfortunately, I don't think it will hold anything damaging to Trump.

That's my expectation as well though I hope I am proved wrong.

Ludo

Headshot wrote: »

My worry is they'll hide some of the findings and make up some BS about national security

Can't really see that happening. That would be very damaging to Trump and to the whole concept of government in the US.

Gbear

Headshot wrote: »

My worry is they'll hide some of the findings and make up some BS about national security

Worse comes to worst they can order Mueller to appear before congress and basically verbally give the report to them.

I don't think there's any way to suppress this. It might buy them some time, but that will be it, and it will cost them looking guilty as sin.

Cody montana

I think the Mueller report is the least of his problems now!

Dohnjoe

Trumps endless focus on collusion points towards an end-game of "declaring victory" if there's no direct cut-n-dried evidence of collusion, regardless of any other crimes/skullduggery

Leroy42

Cody montana wrote: »

I think the Mueller report is the least of his problems now!

I don't agree. If Mueller does not come up with something it only adds credence to the claim from Trump that it is all a witch hunt, and everything and anything that might arise after (DNC looking for tax returns etc) will be batted away on the theme that they are simply digging.

It won't matter whether there are real questions to answer, we already know how easily Trump supporters are willing to ignore the facts in front of them.

Even if the report is overall laying out concerns and further questions, Trump has set this up that unless it lands a knockout blow it can be ignored, and Mueller is not likely to do that as that is not his brief.