Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

Ultros

*Twiddels thumbs*

It's been a fun ride these last few years lads whatever the outcome.

Any chance we'll get a look at it tonight?

Also big lol @ Trump supporters ignoring facts. You know exactly the narrative you've engaged in and what's been perpetuated over the last 2.5 yrs. ( Trump is a Russian stooge ).

pixelburp

Oh there can be no doubt, the republicans, and Trumpists in particular, will make absolute hay if there's no smoking gun or anything remotely indictable spilling out of the Mueller report. I'd say at worst (from Trump's point of view) we might find Kushner or Trump Jr in trouble, which has been suspected for a while now.

EltonJohn69

I think we are going to hear the phrase nothing buger thrown around a lot over the next week

Ultros

Leroy42 wrote: »

If Mueller does not come up with something it only adds credence to the claim from Trump that it is all a witch hunt

Rightly so. Listen to what you're saying, unless of course Mueller is in on it and is compromised by Putin somehow. Even if Trump is innocent of colluding with the Russians he's still guilty?

Anyway, too early to speculate. It may kill his Presidency although the signs are the opposite.

EltonJohn69

The fact Nancy Pelosi and James Comey talked about not impeaching this week suggests there is nothing there

everlast75

If Manafort's lawyers can stand outside a Court and say that Judge Jackson found no collusion when she literally and specifically stated in Court 10 minutes beforehand that she was making NO FINDING in relation to collusion as it was not an issue before her, then you'd better believe Trump et al will claim it proves their innocence unless it has selfies of Trump and Putin together with bags embossed with the word "swag" upon them.

Dohnjoe

Could be wrong but I'm getting vibes there are no "smoking guns" in this; and the earliest murmurs from Republican/Trump camp seem to reflect a calm confidence rather than a side preparing to defend direct charges - and they must have various sources considering this has been going on for 2 years

Trump will be insufferable if there's nothing black/white concrete in there, except for a few side "issues", which he'll wave away

everlast75

Rumours abound that the ecuadorian embassy is surrounded...

Leroy42

Ultros wrote: »

*Twiddels thumbs*

It's been a fun ride these last few years lads whatever the outcome.

Any chance we'll get a look at it tonight?

Also big lol @ Trump supporters ignoring facts. You know exactly the narrative you've engaged in and what's been perpetuated over the last 2.5 yrs. ( Trump is a Russian stooge ).

Apologies, they don't ignore facts, they simply don't care to believe them.

I have never said Trump is a Russian stooge, I can only go on what has been made public and the cases around those that worked for him, his business links, the carry on of his family, his continuous lying about everything and his totally 'out of character' treatment toward Putin in direct contradiction to how he has treated almost every other world leader leads to believe that he has some serious questions to answer.

In fact, Trump is not even the main issue here is the serious flaws in the US political system and how easy it is influence the system. Trump will go at some point, the US will still have to deal with the issues he leaves behind.

everlast75

How can Mueller have completed his report without talking to Trump!?

Anyone?

Ludo

No more indictments coming from this investigation apparently. The end. Witch hunt tweets incoming...

eire4

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

The fact Nancy Pelosi and James Comey talked about not impeaching this week suggests there is nothing there

They have not seen the report so that there is simply no correlation at all. Furthermore Pelosi is saying no impeachment as she knows that it would not pass given the Republicans control the senate.

Leroy42

Ultros wrote: »

Rightly so. Listen to what you're saying, unless of course Mueller is in on it and is compromised by Putin somehow. Even if Trump is innocent of colluding with the Russians he's still guilty?

Anyway, too early to speculate. It may kill his Presidency although the signs are the opposite.

Where did I say he was guilty? Stop with the hyperbole, read what is being said not the biased version you want to believe.

The funny thing is that people like you will demand that the report be treated with respect and that it can't be questioned, yet the POTUS has spent the last two years ridiculing the FBI and CIA and telling everyone that he doesn't believe anything they say.

Ultros

Leroy42 wrote: »

The funny thing is that people like you will demand that the report be treated with respect and that it can't be questioned, yet the POTUS has spent the last two years ridiculing the FBI and CIA and telling everyone that he doesn't believe anything they say.

I'll wait until the report drops before claiming any sort of victory. We don't know anything yet.

Nody

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Could be wrong but I'm getting vibes there are no "smoking guns" in this; and the earliest murmurs from Republican/Trump camp seem to reflect a calm confidence rather than a side preparing to defend direct charges - and they must have various sources considering this has been going on for 2 years

Trump will be insufferable if there's nothing black/white concrete in there, except for a few side "issues", which he'll wave away

Not sure I'd call 34 people accused inc. 6 in Trump's campaign staff as a few side issues in any other reality but this is Trump land; as he said himself he can shot someone in public and still get voted in...

Headshot

everlast75 wrote: »

How can Mueller have completed his report without talking to Trump!?

Anyone?

Probably everything went through Giuliani

Ultros

They submitted questions and he ( his lawyers ) answered them.

There was no live interview.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

pixelburp wrote: »

And remember, Clinton was supposedly the worse choice, because she was a warmonger they said. Specifically that word too, used many times and even here. Whatever Trumps faults were, Clinton would be a destabilising influence on the world stage, her 'establishment' connections causing all sorts of regional bothers.

So...

Can we finally put that nonsense to bed, with this Golan Heights decision? It was always plainly rubbish and with Jon Bolton now whispering into Trumps ear, it'll be a small miracle if the region doesn't erupt in more conflict thanks to Trumps (mis)direction.

They were both absolutely terrible candidates from the very beginning. More people should be concerned with talking about how a democratic system managed to put up two loathsome choices in the first place a few years ago. Instead of everyone being divided into a pro or anti Trump camp we would all be better placed for the future if solutions on the democratic deficit could be explored.

This thread can be summed up by the title "50,000 posts about Trump being a turd".

hotmail.com

The media is reporting on absolutely nothing tonight. And they wonder why people are suspicious of mainstream media.

Gbear

Given that Gates recently asked for an extension on his sentencing and the grand jury was extended, does this necessarily mean that there the investigations/prosecutions are finished?

For example, it could well be that Mueller decided he had enough to indict Kushner, Trump Jr, or whoever, but decided it would be better to get the report released rather than having Trump go on the war path too soon and attempt to further obstruct justice.

We'll have to wait and see. I think it's a fool's errand trying to guess what is to come.

Gbear

hotmail.com wrote: »

The media is reporting on absolutely nothing tonight. And they wonder why people are suspicious of mainstream media.

What do you mean? They're all reporting that the report has been delievered.

Ultros

Gbear wrote: »

Given that Gates recently asked for an extension on his sentencing and the grand jury was extended, does this necessarily mean that there the investigations/prosecutions are finished?

It's been reported rightly or wrongly earlier ( ABC ) that they're won't be any more indictments.

hotmail.com

Gbear wrote:

What do you mean? They're all reporting that the report has been delievered.

This isn't news.

ECO_Mental

1. everlast75 wrote: »

   How can Mueller have completed his report without talking to Trump!?

everlast75 wrote: »

Anyone?

I think he made a call that if he wanted to get his report out before the next election then this was the only option. Otherwise this would have gone to the supreme court and possibly taken years before all the legal challenges were doen with, He probably has enough evidence anyway.


Regarding the no more indictments...that means nothing. Muller only indicted the rest of them to get them to cooperate with him and to turn. It was a means to an end. His main objective was to investigate the collusion and the obstruction of justice. Just because Special Council said they are not indicting anybody more doesn't mean that they are NOT RECOMMENDING that they should not be any more indictments but let that up to the Justice dept. Prosecuting people is the Job of the Justice department.


I very surprised by all the commentators on TV cant see this...

Ultros

Correct answer by Schumer. He's good, you've got to at least respect him for that

https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1109223315179229184

EltonJohn69

If there was a smoking gun.. it would leak very quickly... the longer nothing happens... the more likely trump will waltz or potentially tango into a second term

everlast75

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I think he made a call that if he wanted to get his report out before the next election then this was the only option. Otherwise this would have gone to the supreme court and possibly taken years before all the legal challenges were doen with, He probably has enough evidence anyway.


Regarding the no more indictments...that means nothing. Muller only indicted the rest of them to get them to cooperate with him and to turn. It was a means to an end. His main objective was to investigate the collusion and the obstruction of justice. Just because Special Council said they are not indicting anybody more doesn't mean that they are NOT RECOMMENDING that they should not be any more indictments but let that up to the Justice dept. Prosecuting people is the Job of the Justice department.


I very surprised by all the commentators on TV cant see this...

True.


Plus there may be plenty of sealed indictments, or pass offs to the SDNY and others to initiate charges

Water John

Seems from CNN that there are no sealed indictments.

Igotadose

1. Reports saying Trump had lots of staff @MarALago with him. So, some concern
2. Commentators saying the no new indictments means little as the DOJ can bring indictments
3. Treason is brought by Congress

So, after a little less than 2 years, time will still tell.

Ultros

Igotadose wrote: »

2. Commentators saying the no new indictments means little as the DOJ can bring indictments

This will never happen when the current party have their own DOJ and AG selected. It's a broken system for sure.