Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

Franz Von Peppercorn

froog wrote: »

question - what exactly can congress do if they read the full report and determine that there is enough evidence of obstruction to indict, given that the AG has determined that there is not?

Congress can impeach for any number of reasons.

Ultros

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Trump must be laughing into his milkshakes today. Hot on the heels of Barr's letter, its being reported that Michael Avenatti (remember him?) has been arrested on charges of attempted extortion of more than $20 millions against Nike in New York. He is also due to be charged in California on banking and wire fraud charges later today/tomorrow..

They sure know how to pick them. Really sickens me how spoofers like him garner such followings. Hes plays useful idiots to make money, not dislike sections of the media.

Might little present for him today after his stellar predictions.

https://twitter.com/michaelavenatti/status/1050373253619806209?lang=en

jobbridge4life

Ultros wrote: »

They sure know how to pick them.

https://twitter.com/michaelavenatti/status/1050373253619806209?lang=en

'They'... meaning people Trump slept with while his wife and new born son where left at home?

'They'... meaning porn stars who Trump palled around with?

Ultros

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Fair dig but common, he took advantage of people like Daniels too. He's not a good person.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

MrFresh wrote: »

Why stop at Hillary? Go further back. I hear that Washington fella was a bit of a bad egg at home. Where's the completely unbiased investigation into his wife? Trump supporters are so determined to make Hillary relevant again. It must be because the current batch of targets like Cortez have bitten back.

rule of law seems to apply to republicans only.
trump now needs to make his mission to make the doj and irs stacked with conservatives and unleash hell

jobbridge4life

Ultros wrote: »

Fair dig but common, he took advantage of people like Daniels too. He's not a good person.

Avenatti? No doubt. May the law be applied to him to its fullest.

I do hope those (and it is only a small portion of the left/centre who oppose Trump) would stop hoping for Mueller or Avenatti etc. to make this all okay. Time to own reality, Trump is President, and he has to be beaten, not just willed away.

Ultros

Wow he actually tweeted about the Nike thing one hour before he was arrested. Edit: Police statement, IRS have been on him for years for fraud. Seems Nike thing is separate on extortion charges. He's toast. ( Last of the tweets I'll post today, sorry mods, big news (day(s)).

Edit: WSJ reporting his co-conspirator is Mark Geragos in the shakedown case, a CNN legal analyst.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1110245786997149703

Water John

I expect Congress to put the Mueller Report in the public domain, as much as possible. Let the people judge and decide.

Billy Mays

Ultros wrote: »

They sure know how to pick them. Really sickens me how spoofers like him garner such followings. Hes plays useful idiots to make money, not dislike sections of the media.

Might little present for him today after his stellar predictions.

https://twitter.com/michaelavenatti/status/1050373253619806209?lang=en

I feel the exact same way about Donnie

Ultros

Billy Mays wrote: »

I feel the exact same way about Donnie

Whataboutery, but I'll bite.

I've never said Trump was a good person, the opposite actually. I've said he was prob involved with Mafia types figures and has a dirty business background.

Avenatti appeared on CNN/MSNBC over 100 times in just 2 months and he ( and they ) paraded him as someone with integrity. Corporate media is corrupt, just like Avenatti. The only one who called his bluff was Tucker Carlson. Fox have had a good few days.

everlast75

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

rule of law seems to apply to republicans only.
trump now needs to make his mission to make the doj and irs stacked with conservatives and unleash hell

Mueller is a Republican
Barr is a Republican
Rosenstein is a republican


And what are you talking about? Using the IRS to go after enemies? Do you know Nixon was charged with impeachment for that?

MrFresh

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

rule of law seems to apply to republicans only.
trump now needs to make his mission to make the doj and irs stacked with conservatives and unleash hell

Is this genuine or sarcasm?

Stacksofwacks

My reading is: The Russians tried to hack the US election and were partially succesfull..They also tried to infiltrate and help the Trump campaign. Whilst Trump himself probably didnt collude in a legal sense he was more than likely aware of some of the shenanigans going on around his campaign but turned a blind eye to it or didnt fully realize the extent of it. Thats what I expect the Mueller report to indicate. The obstruction is just Trump huffing and puffing in a panic but nothing really tangible.

MadYaker

MrFresh wrote: »

Is this genuine or sarcasm?

Its genuine but there's no point responding to his posts.

Does anyone know when the full report is due to be released? Can't find anything online? I always thought impeachment was unlikely and regarded every "bombshell" from the investigation with skepticism. It is a bit of a conundrum though. If the campaign weren't getting help from the russians then why all the mettings and subsequent lying about the meetings. I can't wait to read this report I hope too much isn't redacted.

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

My reading is: The Russians tried to hack the US election and were partially succesfull..They also tried to infiltrate and help the Trump campaign. Whilst Trump himself probably didnt collude in a legal sense he was more than likely aware of some of the shenanigans going on around his campaign but turned a blind eye to it or didnt fully realize the extent of it. Thats what I expect the Mueller report to indicate. The obstruction is just Trump huffing and puffing in a panic but nothing really tangible.

This is pretty much how I feel. I also think the reason he was so vocal in condemning the investigation is because he was worried about what they might dig up from his past business life as opposed to any messing around with russians during the campaign.

Ultros

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

My reading is: The Russians tried to hack the US election and were partially succesfull..They also tried to infiltrate and help the Trump campaign. Whilst Trump himself probably didnt collude in a legal sense he was more than likely aware of some of the shenanigans going on around his campaign but turned a blind eye to it or didnt fully realize the extent of it. Thats what I expect the Mueller report to indicate. The obstruction is just Trump huffing and puffing in a panic but nothing really tangible.

Barr says not one American was involved.

Yellow bit is a quote from the report itself. It will be nice to view the full report but I think your reading from the available information thus far is a bit off to be fair.

If you mean he was happy and went along with what was happening and took advantage of the email dumps, then yeah I agree, but what can anyone do in that situation?

Stacksofwacks

MadYaker wrote: »

Its genuine but there's no point responding to his posts.

Does anyone know when the full report is due to be released? Can't find anything online? I always thought impeachment was unlikely and regarded every "bombshell" from the investigation with skepticism. It is a bit of a conundrum though. If the campaign weren't getting help from the russians then why all the mettings and subsequent lying about the meetings. I can't wait to read this report I hope too much isn't redacted.



This is pretty much how I feel. I also think the reason he was so vocal in condemning the investigation is because he was worried about what they might dig up from his past business life as opposed to any messing around with russians during the campaign.

I dont think Mueller went into that, at least not in great detail.

MadYaker

Accept all the Americans who were indicted for other things.

I have to say I unsubscribed from r/politics on reddit about a year ago as I was sick of the bias but I must check it out to see if they're having a meltdown, should make for good reading.

Ultros

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

I dont think Mueller went into that, at least not in great detail.

There's a part that read in Barr's memo "SC handed off information unrelated to Russian collusion to appropriate avenues" or something to that extent, possibly to do with dodgy business dealings that they uncovered.

Stacksofwacks

Ultros wrote: »

Barr says not one American was involved.

Yellow bit is a quote from the report itself. It will be nice to view the full report but I think your reading from the available information thus far is a bit off to be fair.

If you mean he was happy and went along with what was happening and took advantage of the email dumps, then yeah I agree, but what can anyone do in that situation?

I dont think he was intially against outside help from Russia, possibly not fully realizing the consequences etc I havent seen the full report so Im guessing, there were people on his campaign with various ties to Russia albeit no direct evidence of collusion

MadYaker

Ultros wrote: »

There's a part that read in Barr's memo "SC handed off information unrelated to Russian collusion to appropriate avenues" or something to that extent, possibly to do with dodgy business dealings that they uncovered.

I think the SDNY are going to follow that stuff up, but id be surprised if we hear much about it before the election in 2020.

JRant

I am fully behind the report being published, with as little by way of redactions as possible.

What I can't get my head around is why some Dems are now claiming they need to see the report and all the evidence (so they can get their own investigations underway I would imagine). To me it's another undermining of Mueller, after nearly 2 years of Trump doing it he now has the other side casting doubt on his investigation.

To me Mueller has come out of this whole thing with his reputation not only intact but greatly increased. He was tasked with investigating the POTUS on what would have been the biggest scandal to ever hit the republic in nearly 250 years. Not only did he do it with great dignity but he oversaw an investigation that had no leaks (that I know of) and caught some pretty reprehensible characters along the way.

The American people owe him a great debt of gratitude IMO.

MrFresh

JRant wrote: »

I am fully behind the report being published, with as little by way of redactions as possible.

What I can't get my head around is why some Dems are now claiming they need to see the report and all the evidence (so they can get their own investigations underway I would imagine). To me it's another undermining of Mueller, after nearly 2 years of Trump doing it he now has the other side casting doubt on his investigation.

What do you mean you can't get your head around it? You've answered it. They want his investigation findings to continue investigating the things he couldn't.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

MadYaker wrote: »

Its genuine but there's no point responding to his posts.

Does anyone know when the full report is due to be released? Can't find anything online? I always thought impeachment was unlikely and regarded every "bombshell" from the investigation with skepticism. It is a bit of a conundrum though. If the campaign weren't getting help from the russians then why all the mettings and subsequent lying about the meetings. I can't wait to read this report I hope too much isn't redacted.



This is pretty much how I feel. I also think the reason he was so vocal in condemning the investigation is because he was worried about what they might dig up from his past business life as opposed to any messing around with russians during the campaign.

It’s proven that the Russians helped Clinton’s campaign with full approval of Obama Clinton and the democrat leadership.
Trump was vocal on this investigation because he was setting a trap for the Democrats which they gladly walked into. Everyone under estimated trump just like they did Reagan. Two cute hoors

JRant

MrFresh wrote: »

What do you mean you can't get your head around it? You've answered it. They want his investigation findings to continue investigating the things he couldn't.

Well it's a losing hand already, why bother playing it out to the nth degree.
If the Dems think they can do a better job than Mueller, with the amount of resources he had at his disposal, then they really are a lost cause.

Ultros

JRant wrote: »

Well it's a losing hand already, why bother playing it out to the nth degree.
If the Dems think they can do a better job than Mueller, with the amount of resources he had at his disposal, then they really are a lost cause.

Plus the legal jeopardy of the fruit of the poisonous tree. Given that he's been found innocent of the initial thing he's been accused of and that 60% of his Presidency has been under that cloud, and there is questionable ethics as to how that came to be in the first place, any subsequent attempts to prosecute him will be met with fierce questions of legality and / or suspicion of malice.

Besides all that, there's the political ramifications and fallout. A recent poll found that over 50% of the US thought Mueller's investigation prior to release was an actual witch-hunt, how do they feel now?

Here's his first real initial comments when asked about the Mueller investigation. He's right when he says not many people could have handled it.

rossie1977

JRant wrote: »

Well it's a losing hand already, why bother playing it out to the nth degree.
If the Dems think they can do a better job than Mueller, with the amount of resources he had at his disposal, then they really are a lost cause.

Mueller didn't even interview Trump..what sort of investigation doesn't interview one of the key suspects?

Ultros

rossie1977 wrote: »

Mueller didn't even interview Trump..what sort of investigation doesn't interview one of the key suspects?

They submitted written questions. Don't forget he prosecuted a bunch of people surrounding the campaign digging for dirt on Trump when you ask that question and the resources that were used.

JRant

Ultros wrote: »

Plus the legal jeopardy of the fruit of the poisonous tree. Given that he's been found innocent of the initial thing he's been accused of and that 60% of his Presidency has been under that cloud, and there is questionable ethics as to how that came to be in the first place, any subsequent attempts to prosecute him will be met with fierce questions of legality and / or suspicion of malice.

Besides all that, there's the political ramifications and fallout. A recent poll found that over 50% of the US thought Mueller's investigation prior to release was an actual witch-hunt, how do they feel now?

Here's his first real initial comments when asked about the Mueller investigation. He's right when he says not many people could have handled it.

In a sense this whole Russia thing then needs to be put to bed once the full report is digested. For the long term sanity of American politics if nothing else.

The Dems have a great chance to get him out in 2020 but going after him again can only work against them.

JRant

rossie1977 wrote: »

Mueller didn't even interview Trump..what sort of investigation doesn't interview one of the key suspects?

There were written questions that he answered by all accounts. Maybe that's a question that Mueller will shed some light on when he is brought before the house.
We'll see once the report is issued but there's a very good chance those particular answers will be covered by executive privilege.

Eric Cartman

JRant wrote: »

In a sense this whole Russia thing then needs to be put to bed once the full report is digested. For the long term sanity of American politics if nothing else.

The Dems have a great chance to get him out in 2020 but going after him again can only work against them.

This has just hurt them, regardless of the full outcome, trump won yesterdays and todays news cycle on this. The media have been hyping this for so long, media distrust is just going up and up now.