Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

everlast75

TomOnBoard wrote: »

So, hot on the heels of Trump's decision to remove Vitiello from the top ICE job on Thursday night, because he wants to move immigration policy in a tougher direction, he fires Nielsen on Sunday.

Hilarious.

People still haven't figured out that no matter how much you debase yourself, you are still very much disposable to DJT.

The Nal

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No link dumps or twitter links without comment/opinion please.

jooksavage

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So this makes it ok?

Oh God no. Trump is a racist to his bones. If he was Irish he'd no doubt be trying to sow discord against the traveling community or any other minority.

everlast75

The Nal wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1114659644578914304

It seems to be getting more frequent too.

It's notable that Trump uses the diversionary tactic of accusing someone else of being what you are. For example, saying Hillary would be a pushover with Putin, when he is. Etc etc. Well in the run up to the election he and his mate Pecker placed great focus on Hillary's health.

The Nal

everlast75 wrote: »

It seems to be getting more frequent too.

It's notable that Trump uses the diversionary tactic of accusing someone else of being what you are. For example, saying Hillary would be a pushover with Putin, when he is. Etc etc. Well in the run up to the election he and his mate Pecker placed great focus on Hillary's health.

These are the dangers of electing a 70 year old man for a potential 8 year stint. Im not ageist at all but we could end up with President fúcking Pence. We probably would have had a President Palin had McCain won and then won a 2nd term.

2020 shaping up to be a toss up between The Donald, Creepy Joe, Crazy Bernie and Pocahontas. In 2020, aged 74, 78, 79 and 71.

They're all too old, sorry. Well, the men are anyway.

amandstu

The Nal wrote: »

These are the dangers of electing a 70 year old man for a potential 8 year stint. Im not ageist at all but we could end up with President fúcking Pence. We probably would have had a President Palin had McCain won and then won a 2nd term.

2020 shaping up to be a toss up between The Donald, Creepy Joe, Crazy Bernie and Pocahontas. In 2020, aged 74, 78, 79 and 71.

They're all too old, sorry. Well, the men are anyway.

Fair point but the first of those is the only one we have good cause to believe would fake his medical report.(any report actually,tax,golf.....)

That would be some kind of a fall back position if an older person got the office.

I think it is OK to be ageist in this case. No one can deny that our abilities decrease with age.

The orange industry must be s**ing themselves right now.

Quin_Dub

The Nal wrote: »

These are the dangers of electing a 70 year old man for a potential 8 year stint. Im not ageist at all but we could end up with President fúcking Pence. We probably would have had a President Palin had McCain won and then won a 2nd term.

2020 shaping up to be a toss up between The Donald, Creepy Joe, Crazy Bernie and Pocahontas. In 2020, aged 74, 78, 79 and 71.

They're all too old, sorry. Well, the men are anyway.

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Use real names please..

Brian?

rossie1977 wrote: »

Heritage Foundation, a US conservative think tank doesn't even have the US ranked in top 10 in overall freedom...

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Joint 12th with the Netherlands. The socialist hell hole every Republican fears. Obamacare was modelled on the Dutch model of healthcare. Is that irony?

amandstu

Brian? wrote: »

Joint 12th with the Netherlands. The socialist hell hole every Republican fears. Obamacare was modelled on the Dutch model of healthcare. Is that irony?

The USA has a unique position in that it is/was the largest economy and the most powerful military force.

It is easy to wrongly extrapolate that it must be first in other areas.


We have to both regret and welcome its coming demise in influence

Sad that a Trump like figure should be ushering it into that period.(although he maybe epitomises the "rage against the dying of the light." )

Regarding the Nederlands ,when I attempted to avail of their free dental treatment they put me into the care of a rookie student who cracked my roots and put me into purgatory for an hour.

Even back in the day they were very quick onto foreigners they thought were abusing their welfare system.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

Irish travelers reportedly face discrimination in housing and hiring is just one issue I have with that link
It’s the lies and hearsay I cant stand
I will revert to you tomorrow with sources regards my own perceptions.

some simple facts about america and freedom
1. america is the reason we dont speak german and live in a fascist state.

2. america is the reason we dont speak russian and live in a fascist state.

3. america is the only reason why europe or taiwan appear before it in any "freedom" rankings.

4. america is the destination for a million plus immigrants a year - poor fools have not realised yet they should be going to Scandinavia, probably the most boring places on this planet.
5. americas constitution, its land, its history, its multi cultural people, its wealth and opportunities, its freedom and desire to spread freedom all over the world.

6. i know its trendy to be a socialist and hate america in these dark times, but Ireland and America are 2 sides of the same coin. We have built and shaped their country and they have a great affection for us and they helped end the war in the North and have invested billions in this country.
7. Trumps America means more prosperity for Ireland. He even is personally employing Irish people in Doonbeg, what more do you want from him.

Gwen Cooper

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

some simple facts about america and freedom


2. america is the reason we dont speak russian and live in a fascist state.

That's funny, I thought that when I was little and my country was controlled by the Russians, it wasn't fascism we were worried about...

everlast75

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

It’s the lies and hearsay I cant stand

Deleted User wrote: »

From a Trump fan this is hilarious.

@Count dookoo - care to reply to this?

8-10

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

He even is personally employing Irish people in Doonbeg

He resigned from the company affairs in 2017, he doesn't personally employ them.

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

what more do you want from him.

More action and global leadership on tackling climate change

1eg0a3xv7b82of

8-10 wrote: »

He resigned from the company affairs in 2017, he doesn't personally employ them.



More action and global leadership on tackling climate change

he is showing the same leadership as the vast majority of people on this planet and states are showing - someone else can pay.

The only lunatics who have tried real real change are France and look how that is going.



how come trump has to answer for climate change while the chinese are doing their best to block out the sun.

wheres the thread dedicated to this beauty


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping

20Cent

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

he is showing the same leadership as the vast majority of people on this planet and states are showing - someone else can pay.

The only lunatics who have tried real real change are France and look how that is going.



how come trump has to answer for climate change while the chinese are doing their best to block out the sun.

wheres the thread dedicated to this beauty


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping

China are actually acknowledging climate change and implementing measures to tackle it. But China isn't really an excuse for inaction anymore. If you want a backwards view look at the US where the president regularly makes statements showing his ignorance on the issue and who wants fossel fuels rather than cleaner alternatives.

Midlife

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

some simple facts about america and freedom
1. america is the reason we dont speak german and live in a fascist state.

2. america is the reason we dont speak russian and live in a fascist state.

3. america is the only reason why europe or taiwan appear before it in any "freedom" rankings.

4. america is the destination for a million plus immigrants a year - poor fools have not realised yet they should be going to Scandinavia, probably the most boring places on this planet.
5. americas constitution, its land, its history, its multi cultural people, its wealth and opportunities, its freedom and desire to spread freedom all over the world.

6. i know its trendy to be a socialist and hate america in these dark times, but Ireland and America are 2 sides of the same coin. We have built and shaped their country and they have a great affection for us and they helped end the war in the North and have invested billions in this country.
7. Trumps America means more prosperity for Ireland. He even is personally employing Irish people in Doonbeg, what more do you want from him.

These aren't even worth debating.

You were contending that the US is the only true free country in the world.

Nothing you have stated above backs that up.

BTW - Western front and all that. Technically the Russians are the reason we don't speak German.

Manic Moran

Midlife wrote: »

BTW - Western front and all that. Technically the Russians are the reason we don't speak German.

Honestly, I think it's because the Germans (1) couldn't really be arsed to deal with Ireland, and (2) There was basically zero chance of Sea Lion happening, so Operation Green, to the highly limited level that it was contemplated, was equally a no-go.

As for the rest of Europe, it seems to have been something of a joint effort. The French were arguably critical to the British victory in the Battle of Britain. The British arguably had strong influence in the Germans falling short of Moscow in front of the Russian guns, and the Americans were instrumental in the Russian Battle of Berlin.

That said, events of some 75 years ago don't seem particularly persuasive for any sort of argument being advocated in this thread.

UsedToWait

Midlife wrote: »

These aren't even worth debating.
..

They're not.
Yet people keep engaging, and more pages fill up needing to be scrolled past.

Thargor

Manic Moran wrote: »

Honestly, I think it's because the Germans (1) couldn't really be arsed to deal with Ireland, and (2) There was basically zero chance of Sea Lion happening, so Operation Green, to the highly limited level that it was contemplated, was equally a no-go.

As for the rest of Europe, it seems to have been something of a joint effort. The French were arguably critical to the British victory in the Battle of Britain. The British arguably had strong influence in the Germans falling short of Moscow in front of the Russian guns, and the Americans were instrumental in the Russian Battle of Berlin.

That said, events of some 75 years ago don't seem particularly persuasive for any sort of argument being advocated in this thread.

So they would have just left Ireland alone after the UK and everywhere else had fallen?

I know Trump supporters have a warped relationship with reality but arent you supposed to be the Boards military guy or something? It was the millions of casualties they suffered in Russia completely dwarfing all other theaters put together that finished them, there's no debating that. Interesting to hear how instrumental the Americans were in the fall of Berlin compared to the Russians, thats kind of an embarrassing statement tbh.

UsedToWait

So, about those 200,000 emails..

Seems everything Trump does has to be biglier...

Sam Patten's attorneys say he concealed a payment from a Ukrainian oligarch to Trump's inaugural because he was "blinded by a desire to accommodate his client." His lawyers also say that he "erred" in deleting 200k emails following his interview with the Senate Intel Committee.

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1115300571899158530?s=19

Brian?

Thargor wrote: »

So they would have just left Ireland alone after the UK and everywhere else had fallen?

The Germans had zero interest in Ireland. A number of times during the war Hitler proposed peace deals with Britain, even promising to withdraw from France, Belgium etc and returning to the pre war western border of Germany.

This would have allowed them to continue to expand East, which was the actual goal at the start of the war. Invading France was only ever a counter measure to the Allies declaring war after the invasion of Poland. They never wanted to add western Europe to a greater Germany. They wanted lands to the east they could ethnically cleansed and settle Germans in.

I know Trump supporters have a warped relationship with reality but arent you supposed to be the Boards military guy or something? It was the millions of casualties they suffered in Russia completely dwarfing all other theaters put together that finished them, there's no debating that. Interesting to hear how instrumental the Americans were in the fall of Berlin compared to the Russians, thats kind of an embarrassing statement tbh.

I think Manic is right. It's far more nuanced, everyone played a part. The Russians did some serious heavy lifting though.

Manic Moran

Thargor wrote: »

So they would have just left Ireland alone after the UK and everywhere else had fallen?

I know Trump supporters have a warped relationship with reality but arent you supposed to be the Boards military guy or something? It was the millions of casualties they suffered in Russia completely dwarfing all other theaters put together that finished them, there's no debating that. Interesting to hear how instrumental the Americans were in the fall of Berlin compared to the Russians, thats kind of an embarrassing statement tbh.

If the Americans are supplying some 70% of the raw materials used to make the ammunition, and about the same percentage of the trucks to get that ammunition to the front (and better trucks, on a one for one basis, than the Russian build), plus a significant portion of the food used to feed the troops using the American-sourced ammunition delivered on the American trucks, and maybe American locomotives (USSR locomotive manufacturing was diverted to tank production, so the new locomotives received in the war were all American) yes, I think it is safe to say that the US was instrumental for the prosecution of the battle of Berlin. The term “Studebaker” is still recognised in Russia as the truck.

Remember the old adage. Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics, and there was no power on the planet which could match the US logistics machine. All nations benefited from it hugely. (Except the axis, of course... at least, not until after they surrendered). Even purely in terms of the fighting equipment, Americna tanks were used by the Americans, Canadians, Poles, French, British in Western Europe, the Brazilians in Italy, the Russians in Eastern Europe, the Chinese in Asia, the Australians against the Japanese, and i’m sure i’m missing much.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1115307548356124672?s=19

This is after there was criticism of the lax security at Trump Mar-a-Lago.

20Cent

Popcorn time this should be good.


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1115337337737752578?s=19

aloyisious

Manic Moran wrote: »

If the Americans are supplying some 70% of the raw materials used to make the ammunition, and about the same percentage of the trucks to get that ammunition to the front (and better trucks, on a one for one basis, than the Russian build), plus a significant portion of the food used to feed the troops using the American-sourced ammunition delivered on the American trucks, and maybe American locomotives (USSR locomotive manufacturing was diverted to tank production, so the new locomotives received in the war were all American) yes, I think it is safe to say that the US was instrumental for the prosecution of the battle of Berlin. The term “Studebaker” is still recognised in Russia as the truck.

Remember the old adage. Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics, and there was no power on the planet which could match the US logistics machine. All nations benefited from it hugely. (Except the axis, of course... at least, not until after they surrendered). Even purely in terms of the fighting equipment, Americna tanks were used by the Americans, Canadians, Poles, French, British in Western Europe, the Brazilians in Italy, the Russians in Eastern Europe, the Chinese in Asia, the Australians against the Japanese, and i’m sure i’m missing much.

The Murmansk run convoys incl liberty ships & escort ships. The 50 lend-lease ships given to Britain by Roosevelt, one of which was renamed HMS Campbeltown & used in the St Nazaire ram-raid to destroy the drydock facility preventing the Germans using it for their surface raiders.

aloyisious

Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »

some simple facts about america and freedom
1. america is the reason we dont speak german and live in a fascist state.

2. america is the reason we dont speak russian and live in a fascist state.

3. america is the only reason why europe or taiwan appear before it in any "freedom" rankings.

4. america is the destination for a million plus immigrants a year - poor fools have not realised yet they should be going to Scandinavia, probably the most boring places on this planet.
5. americas constitution, its land, its history, its multi cultural people, its wealth and opportunities, its freedom and desire to spread freedom all over the world.

6. i know its trendy to be a socialist and hate america in these dark times, but Ireland and America are 2 sides of the same coin. We have built and shaped their country and they have a great affection for us and they helped end the war in the North and have invested billions in this country.
7. Trumps America means more prosperity for Ireland. He even is personally employing Irish people in Doonbeg, what more do you want from him.

If para 5 above is meant to indicate the great draws of the US for immigrants, I'm surprised that you seem to be rubbishing it in para 4 calling the immigrants going there poor fools, unless you're being a little bit sarcastic. Don doesn't seem to respect the immigrants.

Danzy

Brian? wrote: »

Joint 12th with the Netherlands. The socialist hell hole every Republican fears. Obamacare was modelled on the Dutch model of healthcare. Is that irony?

Not much Socialist or social democratic about the Dutch model.

Significant problems in that model.

That Obamacate had so many problems, for all its good points, would be down to basing it on the Dutch model.

jochenstacker

Danzy wrote: »

Not much Socialist or social democratic about the Dutch model.

Significant problems in that model.

That Obamacate had so many problems, for all its good points, would be down to basing it on the Dutch model.

Care to elaborate on that one?

everlast75

Over two weeks since the report was delivered...

Brian?

Danzy wrote: »

Not much Socialist or social democratic about the Dutch model.

Significant problems in that model.

That Obamacate had so many problems, for all its good points, would be down to basing it on the Dutch model.

Significant benefits too. You know I live in the Netherlands and previously lived in the US?

The Dutch model is far from a socialist model, unless you’re a republican railing against Obamacare. This is my point.