Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

Leroy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

Paris citizens are up in arms , most Parisians are questioning where were all the fire houses, why did it take so long to get them in place, why was there only one or 2 hoses in action, why was there no special equipment available ..

Trump is bang on the money.

Act fast , and get some water on that fire. (he might have been wrong about using a Canadair) but his points still stand

And 100% of Parisians I spoke to this morning are all in agreement with what he said (albeit they probably dont know or care he made these points, they are more concerened about thier city.).

But yes thousands, in fact tens of thousands are asking similar questions, why were the fire service so slow and where was the water hoses.

People who live in Paris have woken up with many questions about the Fire Service reaction, and 99% of what I have heard so far is not positive. French radio and all the Parisian stations are carrying the same questions .

So Trump was pretty much right , again.

What an utterly baseless and hyperbolic post. Paris is up in arms because the fire brigades were poor at their jobs? Really?

You think they didn't use water? You know they managed to save a large portion of ND, it didn't collapse so just maybe they know what they were doing.

So apart from using water form the air, the entire point of his post, being wrong, to you his post still makes sense? Ok then!

100% sounds a lot. How many in actuality? They all agree that they should have used air drops despite the French authorities explaining that this would have caused more damage? And the people you talked to, what experience do they have in fire containment? What experience do they have in the maintenance and preservation of old structures? Are they aware of the emergency plans that were developed to protect the artifacts and try to save as much as possible? I assume you checked all of that was up to the same standard that you have?

fact tens of thousands are asking similar questions? You know this how? And what questions? You mean people are actually blaming the fire service for this rather than simply sad that it has happened?

So people may have, legitmate, questions about the response. It is natural and useful that we should learn from events like this and look to make adjustments in the future. But that is a far cry from the picture that you are painting.

Now, exactly what was Trump right about, being that it has been said by experts that water bombing from the air was not the answer?

RIGOLO

Leroy42 wrote: »

What an utterly baseless and hyperbolic post. Paris is up in arms because the fire brigades were poor at their jobs? Really?

You think they didn't use water? You know they managed to save a large portion of ND, it didn't collapse so just maybe they know what they were doing.

So apart from using water form the air, the entire point of his post, being wrong, to you his post still makes sense? Ok then!

100% sounds a lot. How many in actuality? They all agree that they should have used air drops despite the French authorities explaining that this would have caused more damage? And the people you talked to, what experience do they have in fire containment? What experience do they have in the maintenance and preservation of old structures? Are they aware of the emergency plans that were developed to protect the artifacts and try to save as much as possible? I assume you checked all of that was up to the same standard that you have?

fact tens of thousands are asking similar questions? You know this how? And what questions? You mean people are actually blaming the fire service for this rather than simply sad that it has happened?

So people may have, legitmate, questions about the response. It is natural and useful that we should learn from events like this and look to make adjustments in the future. But that is a far cry from the picture that you are painting.

Now, exactly what was Trump right about, being that it has been said by experts that water bombing from the air was not the answer?

Trump was right .. ACT FAST .. Parisians are asking the same question

Trump was right .. GET WATER ON IT ... Parisians are asking the same question

AS I said, he may have been wrong in saying to use a Canadaair, but his sentiment was correct...and its the same sentiment Parisians are asking ... why was the fires service so slow and why were their so few hoses and so little water.

What an utterly baseless and hyperbolic post


Yeah .. what would I know about Parisians reaction to the destruction of Notre Dame., and their emergency services response

is_that_so

kilns wrote: »

They are playing a dangerous game with these tax returns, what if Trump is playing a bluf and there is nothing in them, thats another thing for the election campaign he can use to say they are totally against him

Dems should get the right person to take him on that will win. Biden + AN other.

Not really. If there's nothing in it, it just goes away. Given his business track record one could reasonably presume there is something in it. Election campaign is down to the swing states once more and where independent voters want to lay their hats.

Penn

RIGOLO wrote: »

Trump was right .. ACT FAST .. Parisians are asking the same question

Trump was right .. GET WATER ON IT ... Parisians are asking the same question

AS I said, he may have been wrong in saying to use a Canadaair, but his sentiment was correct...and its the same sentiment Parisians are asking ... why was the fires service so slow and why were their so few hoses and so little water.

Act Fast. Use Water.

Do you think these notions, ones that clearly only an intelligent mind could come up with, somehow didn't occur to the Paris Fire Services? Do you think they somehow didn't do everything in their power and ability to control and extinguish the fire as quickly as they could with the provisions which were available to them and in a way that wouldn't jeopardise either the structure or the lives of the fire fighters themselves?

Trump didn't need to try and come up with a solution at all, yet he somehow thought it was warranted to give an extremely simplistic and largely uneducated idea that obviously would have already occurred to the fire services and was already discounted. All Trump really had to do, was commiserate with the Parisians and send his well-wishes.

The trained and experienced fire and emergency services obviously did absolutely everything in their power to control and stop the fire. Trump dove in like Captain Hindsight to say "Use water! Act Quickly!" and still managed to get it wrong.

is_that_so

Penn wrote: »

Act Fast. Use Water.

Do you think these notions, ones that clearly only an intelligent mind could come up with, somehow didn't occur to the Paris Fire Services? Do you think they somehow didn't do everything in their power and ability to control and extinguish the fire as quickly as they could with the provisions which were available to them and in a way that wouldn't jeopardise either the structure or the lives of the fire fighters themselves?

Trump didn't need to try and come up with a solution at all, yet he somehow thought it was warranted to give an extremely simplistic and largely uneducated idea that obviously would have already occurred to the fire services and was already discounted. All Trump really had to do, was commiserate with the Parisians and send his well-wishes.

The trained and experienced fire and emergency services obviously did absolutely everything in their power to control and stop the fire. Trump dove in like Captain Hindsight to say "Use water! Act Quickly!" and still managed to get it wrong.

The location of the fire and what caught fire probably mitigated against any swift intervention. What could be saved was.

Midlife

RIGOLO wrote: »

Trump was right .. ACT FAST .. Parisians are asking the same question

Trump was right .. GET WATER ON IT ... Parisians are asking the same question

AS I said, he may have been wrong in saying to use a Canadaair, but his sentiment was correct...and its the same sentiment Parisians are asking ... why was the fires service so slow and why were their so few hoses and so little water.

What an utterly baseless and hyperbolic post


Yeah .. what would I know about Parisians reaction to the destruction of Notre Dame., and their emergency services response

So basically you think Trump was right because he connected water to putting out fires?

See you were on the verge of a good point with the policy thing but then your posts become those of a myopic cheerleader again.

Leroy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

Trump was right .. ACT FAST .. Parisians are asking the same question

You think they simply stood around and watched? When did the 1st fire brigade get there? When did the second? How many units attended? What is the standard response time?

RIGOLO wrote: »

Trump was right .. GET WATER ON IT ... Parisians are asking the same question

Get water on it? Really. He was right about that. If only the French had been made aware. I saw them throwing petrol on it. Another lad was throwing some coal in it!

RIGOLO wrote: »

AS I said, he may have been wrong in saying to use a Canadaair, but his sentiment was correct...and its the same sentiment Parisians are asking ... why was the fires service so slow and why were their so few hoses and so little water.

So, apart from the substantive part of his post being wrong everything else was correct? Listen to yourself. You are defending a man that knows nothing of this. He has no knowledge of the specifics, no knowledge of how to deal with fires, no experience of crisis management.

What an utterly baseless and hyperbolic post


Yes, because you failed to provide anything in the way of any evidence. This is no better than hearsay based on nothing. I could get a few people to tell me that Trump was definitely conspiring with Russia. According to your standard that proves it to be true.

RIGOLO wrote: »

Yeah .. what would I know about Parisians reaction to the destruction of Notre Dame., and their emergency services response

No idea. I asked you a few questions to provide some detail of what you know but you ignored them and thus I can only take what I know about you and you experience which is nothing.

Christy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

Leroy42 wrote: »

What an utterly baseless and hyperbolic post. Paris is up in arms because the fire brigades were poor at their jobs? Really?

You think they didn't use water? You know they managed to save a large portion of ND, it didn't collapse so just maybe they know what they were doing.

So apart from using water form the air, the entire point of his post, being wrong, to you his post still makes sense? Ok then!

100% sounds a lot. How many in actuality? They all agree that they should have used air drops despite the French authorities explaining that this would have caused more damage? And the people you talked to, what experience do they have in fire containment? What experience do they have in the maintenance and preservation of old structures? Are they aware of the emergency plans that were developed to protect the artifacts and try to save as much as possible? I assume you checked all of that was up to the same standard that you have?

fact tens of thousands are asking similar questions? You know this how? And what questions? You mean people are actually blaming the fire service for this rather than simply sad that it has happened?

So people may have, legitmate, questions about the response. It is natural and useful that we should learn from events like this and look to make adjustments in the future. But that is a far cry from the picture that you are painting.

Now, exactly what was Trump right about, being that it has been said by experts that water bombing from the air was not the answer?

Trump was right .. ACT FAST .. Parisians are asking the same question

Trump was right .. GET WATER ON IT ... Parisians are asking the same question

AS I said, he may have been wrong in saying to use a Canadaair, but his sentiment was correct...and its the same sentiment Parisians are asking ... why was the fires service so slow and why were their so few hoses and so little water.

What an utterly baseless and hyperbolic post


Yeah .. what would I know about Parisians reaction to the destruction of Notre Dame., and their emergency services response

Are we ignoring the part that Trump's advice would have destroyed the entire building? You know he knows nothing about fire fighting. Why take on this fight? Trump said stupid stuff, as he does most days.

Penn

is_that_so wrote: »

The location of the fire and what caught fire probably mitigated against any swift intervention. What could be saved was.

Agreed. Given the historical nature and size of the site, it's unlikely there were an abundance of hydrants dotted around. Either way, the fire and emergency services did absolutely everything they could. Trump's one suggestion was wrong and would have put the lives of the firefighters battling the blaze at risk.

JRant

He tweets the first thing that pops into his head, it's hilarious. We've never had a world leader like him. His twitter feed makes for some great reading at times, not always for good reasons unfortunately.

Thought the press conference he gave was one of the better ones, by his standards. He came across as pretty genuine with his admiration for Notre Dame.

JRant

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. Given the historical nature and size of the site, it's unlikely there were an abundance of hydrants dotted around. Either way, the fire and emergency services did absolutely everything they could. Trump's one suggestion was wrong and would have put the lives of the firefighters battling the blaze at risk.

I read last night that Paris is much like Dublin in having strict planning laws on the heights of buildings (up to 6 stories I believe). This would mean that the fire service wouldn't be able to tackle fires in buildings in the size of Notre Dame due to lack of specialist equipment.

martingriff

RIGOLO wrote: »

Trump was right .. ACT FAST .. Parisians are asking the same question

Trump was right .. GET WATER ON IT ... Parisians are asking the same question

AS I said, he may have been wrong in saying to use a Canadaair, but his sentiment was correct...and its the same sentiment Parisians are asking ... why was the fires service so slow and why were their so few hoses and so little water.

What an utterly baseless and hyperbolic post


Yeah .. what would I know about Parisians reaction to the destruction of Notre Dame., and their emergency services response

So what do you know of there reactions. You must have some facts. I know 1 reaction shock and sadness at the loss of a great iconic and cultural building. No where have I seen condemnation of the Parisian firefighters.

RIGOLO

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. Given the historical nature and size of the site, it's unlikely there were an abundance of hydrants dotted around. Either way, the fire and emergency services did absolutely everything they could. Trump's one suggestion was wrong and would have put the lives of the firefighters battling the blaze at risk.

Notre Dame is on an island in the middle of a river , who needs hydrants.

the fire and emergency services did absolutely everything they could.

Many Parisians disagree and are questioning their response.
The phone ins on the radio stations Im listening too tell me they are not happy with the Emergency Services response.
Also lets remember the Champs Elysees has been in turmoil every weekend for the last 20+ weekends, the Paris Chief Of Police was fired 2 weeks ago.
Are you really confident in the ability of the emergency services in Paris?

Trump called it pretty well, from 5000 miles away , and time will prove him right. Poke holes in details but the sentiment of his post stands and is in agreement with the reaction of many many many Parisians this morning.
They were ill-prepared for this, reacted slowly, and didnt have the right or enough equipment to tackle this.

Christy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. Given the historical nature and size of the site, it's unlikely there were an abundance of hydrants dotted around. Either way, the fire and emergency services did absolutely everything they could. Trump's one suggestion was wrong and would have put the lives of the firefighters battling the blaze at risk.

Notre Dame is on an island in the middle of a river , who needs hydrants.

the fire and emergency services did absolutely everything they could.

Many Parisians disagree and are questioning their response.
The phone ins on the radio stations Im listening too tell me they are not happy with the Emergency Services response.
Also lets remember the Champs Elysees has been in turmoil every weekend for the last 20+ weekends, the Paris Chief Of Police was fired 2 weeks ago.
Are you really confident in the ability of the emergency services in Paris?

Trump called it pretty well, from 5000 miles away , and time will prove him right. Poke holes in details but the sentiment of his post stands and is in agreement with the reaction of many many many Parisians this morning.
They were ill-prepared for this, reacted slowly, and didnt have the right or enough equipment to tackle this.

Ah yes. Putting forward a plan that would have destroyed the building is a hole. However the ground breaking sentiment of "do better" is revolutionary.

Trump said none of the above. The French firefighters are being targeted in these posts because to focus on what Trump said makes him look like an idiot. Trump had one plan and it would have been an absolute catastrophe. Thankfully no firefighter was ever going to listen to him on how to fight a fire.

martingriff

RIGOLO wrote: »

Notre Dame is on an island in the middle of a river , who needs hydrants.


Many Parisians disagree and are questioning their response.
The phone ins on the radio stations Im listening too tell me they are not happy with the Emergency Services response.
Also lets remember the Champs Elysees has been in turmoil every weekend for the last 20+ weekends, the Paris Chief Of Police was fired 2 weeks ago.
Are you really confident in the ability of the emergency services in Paris?

Trump called it pretty well, from 5000 miles away , and time will prove him right. Poke holes in details but the sentiment of his post stands and is in agreement with the reaction of many many many Parisians this morning.
They were ill-prepared for this, reacted slowly, and didnt have the right or enough equipment to tackle this.

You in France listening to French call in shows?

everlast75

Nobody wants to hear from Trump on responses to a disaster of any sort.

See Puerto Rico, Paradise (aka Pleasure!), etc. etc.

Funny the way he is happy to throw his oar in on a fire in France but is pretty low key about the 3 black churches torched in Louisiana...

kilns

RIGOLO wrote: »

Notre Dame is on an island in the middle of a river , who needs hydrants.


Many Parisians disagree and are questioning their response.
The phone ins on the radio stations Im listening too tell me they are not happy with the Emergency Services response.
Also lets remember the Champs Elysees has been in turmoil every weekend for the last 20+ weekends, the Paris Chief Of Police was fired 2 weeks ago.
Are you really confident in the ability of the emergency services in Paris?

Trump called it pretty well, from 5000 miles away , and time will prove him right. Poke holes in details but the sentiment of his post stands and is in agreement with the reaction of many many many Parisians this morning.
They were ill-prepared for this, reacted slowly, and didnt have the right or enough equipment to tackle this.

So Trumps solution was to destroy the whole building by dumping water from above. I can get you are a supporter of his but you did have to agree with everything he says when it is blatantly ill formed and incorrect

frag420

RIGOLO wrote: »

Notre Dame is on an island in the middle of a river , who needs hydrants.

I think this just proves you know as much about fire fighting as Trump does, which is damn all.

You cant just pop a hose in the river and use it to put out a fire, its needs to be pumped, you need a lot of water pressure!

Ireland is an Island, surely we dont need hydrants either, by your logic all we would need in Ireland is just really long hoses that reach the coasts and/or rivers/lakes!

weisses

RIGOLO wrote: »

Paris citizens are up in arms , most Parisians are questioning where were all the fire houses, why did it take so long to get them in place, why was there only one or 2 hoses in action, why was there no special equipment available ..

Can you provide a reliable source ?

I wont hold my breath but needed to ask this

RIGOLO

Brian? wrote: »

These are not policies, they are talking points. He was quite clear about what he thought should be done, he lacked the detail on how it should be done. That's the difference between a talking point and a policy.

For instance - we are going to get a handle on illegal immigration by building a wall. Mexico will pay for the wall. How is this going to be actually achieved?

So the Trump administration made a major announcement yesterday, not alot of coverage, I think all the anti-Trumpers are caught up in discussing Trumps tweet regarding Notre Dame. Time to move on .

<SNIP>

As well as making major inroads (post Obamas inaction) in leading the way with the Space race, the Trump administration has not let the grass grow under its feet when it comes to 5G communications and the roll out of it .

The FCC under Trumps direction is leading the way in releasing 5G spectrum, making it faster and easier and cheaper to install 5G units, and rolling out 5G fibre and spending billions on upgrading rural broadband.

The USA under Trump administration is set to lead the world in the rollout of 5G , which will be a boost to US economy, jobs and oppurtunities for the future. With over 200 billion being spent by wireless companies on 5G .

And the anti-Trumpers accuse him of talking points .

Like I said Trumps policys become FACT and REALITY .. roll on 5G .

(the debate on the enviromental impact of 5G is for another thread/day)

Penn

RIGOLO wrote: »

Notre Dame is on an island in the middle of a river , who needs hydrants.

Hydrants are pressurised systems. To pump water from the river, you'd need huge pumps, generators for the pumps, access to the river and even then it's unlikely the pumps would have enough power to reach the height of the building.

I'm sure some people probably are complaining about the emergency services response. However, unless you can show that there is in any way a significant proportion of Parisians complaining about them, your point is moot as all evidence suggests otherwise.

You say Trump may have been wrong on the helicopter aspect of it, but if you remove that from his idea, then all you're left with is Trump saying "Act fast and use water". The idea that Trump is somehow "right" with that suggestion or that that constitutes an idea/solution that would have in any way helped the fire fighting effort is completely laughable. The idea that Trump "called it pretty well" or that "time will prove him right" is insane.

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derossi

As a firefighter in this country I can only surmise, the fire itself started in the roof area itself so it is almost impossible to put the fire out. You wouldn't really want firefighters inside the building incase of collapse and you can't really put water on the fire until it breaks through the roof.


Them large hydraulic platforms need to be close to the building so the water can reach, there would be a large amount of risk assessment going on as you have a very old building and a large fire, the risk of collapse of walls has the potential to take down one of these platforms which will have men working in or around it. They also require stable ground for them to operate so having them is great but actually getting to use them can be difficult. They also require at least 2 x 70mm hoses at around 10 bar so the volume of water is huge just on one alone.


Again it seemed like early on there was activity in the building with people attempting to rescue artifacts, you don't want to be putting a load of water on the roof area when there is potential of collapse and people in that danger area, again all that would be risk assessed.


I have been around those helicopters in this country as they drop water and the volume they drop is significant and as much as they try and drop it accurately it is definitely not an exact science. Grand in an open area where crews can stay back but in a hugely built up area I can see no positive benefit. If they are to operate no crews could work in the area and would you really want aircraft in and around the fire, never heard of it to be honest.


I have been in attendance at many large fires with all the equipment to hand and buildings are still lost, this was a huge fire with a really complex building and without doubt those firefighters did a fantastic job.!

RIGOLO

derossi wrote: »

As a firefighter in this country I can only surmise, the fire itself started in the roof area itself so it is almost impossible to put the fire out. You wouldn't really want firefighters inside the building incase of collapse and you can't really put water on the fire until it breaks through the roof.


Them large hydraulic platforms need to be close to the building so the water can reach, there would be a large amount of risk assessment going on as you have a very old building and a large fire, the risk of collapse of walls has the potential to take down one of these platforms which will have men working in or around it. They also require stable ground for them to operate so having them is great but actually getting to use them can be difficult. They also require at least 2 x 70mm hoses at around 10 bar so the volume of water is huge just on one alone.


Again it seemed like early on there was activity in the building with people attempting to rescue artifacts, you don't want to be putting a load of water on the roof area when there is potential of collapse and people in that danger area, again all that would be risk assessed.


I have been around those helicopters in this country as they drop water and the volume they drop is significant and as much as they try and drop it accurately it is definitely not an exact science. Grand in an open area where crews can stay back but in a hugely built up area I can see no positive benefit. If they are to operate no crews could work in the area and would you really want aircraft in and around the fire, never heard of it to be honest.


I have been in attendance at many large fires with all the equipment to hand and buildings are still lost, this was a huge fire with a really complex building and without doubt those firefighters did a fantastic job.!

Normally theres a reservoir of water kept on top of Notre Dame for this very such event. At least there was the last time I did the tour.
You probably didnt know that cos your in another country,

You do know we are talking about Paris, a city of 10 million people , and your saying they might have issues getting 2 x 70mm hoses.

Quin_Dub

RIGOLO wrote: »

So the Trump administration made a major announcement yesterday, not alot of coverage, I think all the anti-Trumpers are caught up in discussing Trumps tweet regarding Notre Dame. Time to move on .

<SNIP>

As well as making major inroads (post Obamas inaction) in leading the way with the Space race, the Trump administration has not let the grass grow under its feet when it comes to 5G communications and the roll out of it .

The FCC under Trumps direction is leading the way in releasing 5G spectrum, making it faster and easier and cheaper to install 5G units, and rolling out 5G fibre and spending billions on upgrading rural broadband.

The USA under Trump administration is set to lead the world in the rollout of 5G , which will be a boost to US economy, jobs and oppurtunities for the future. With over 200 billion being spent by wireless companies on 5G .

And the anti-Trumpers accuse him of talking points .

Like I said Trumps policys become FACT and REALITY .. roll on 5G .

(the debate on the enviromental impact of 5G is for another thread/day)

Not really...

Trump's FCC Is Auctioning the Wrong 5G Spectrum

Donald Trump wants the US to be a leader in 5G, and that information highway runs on spectrum, the invisible lanes in the air that transmit data. So at a White House event on Friday, Trump introduced FCC Chairman Ajit Pai, who said the FCC is auctioning off more 5G spectrum than ever: 3.4GHz of extremely high frequency, millimeter-wave airwaves to allow for massive future speeds.

"It's all about 5G now," Trump said. "We were 4G and everyone was saying we had to get 4G, and then they said before that, 'we have to get 3G,' and now we have to get 5G."

But our tests in Chicago and Dallas recently showed that millimeter wave may be the wrong place for the FCC to focus. The millimeter-wave cell sites we saw got between 350-600 feet of range—enough for key downtown hotspots, to be sure, but without the range to cover entire cities or counties. That's far short of what the companies involved have quoted to me in the past. Verizon has given me numbers between 800 feet and 3,000 feet depending on the circumstance.

Cells with a range of 350-600 feet are utterly useless for Rural Broadband and really not that economical in Urban areas either..

Verizon and AT&T say millimeter-wave radiuses will improve with time, but what we need right now is mid-band spectrum, between 3.4 and 7GHz. Those airwaves generally have range in the thousands, rather than the hundreds of feet, but they have broad enough bandwidth to make 5G promises into reality. This paper from Ericsson claims that 3.5GHz LTE gives us 2,100 feet in a line-of-sight situation, and about 1,140 feet in non-line-of-sight. That's a much more usable cell spacing than having to put one every 600 feet.

So , why aren't they selling the right spectra?

The problem is, while millimeter-wave bands are generally clear, mid-bands have stubborn existing users, including satellite companies and the US Navy. We need bold leadership to clear those bands and re-purpose them for modern use. Only that kind of leadership will lead the US to lead in 5G.

So , selling an empty set of spectra that are about as much use as a Chocolate teapot for 5G with current technology isn't leadership of any kind , it's marketing flim-flam and misdirection at best.

Leroy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

So the Trump administration made a major announcement yesterday, not alot of coverage, I think all the anti-Trumpers are caught up in discussing Trumps tweet regarding Notre Dame. Time to move on .

Brilliant. You created a whole load of talking points to which you can offer no evidence whatsoever and now you want to move on!

We can all move on if you can agree that Trump was wrong, it was the wrong type of tweet to send and that neither Trump, you are apparently the people you have talked to have any understanding of the real issues that the fire services faced.

Instead of simply stating that he was sad to see the destruction and that he stood with France and would offer any help they required he had to make up some rubbish based on his own feelings that he knows better.

weisses

RIGOLO wrote: »

Normally theres a reservoir of water kept on top of Notre Dame for this very such event. At least there was the last time I did the tour.
You probably didnt know that cos your in another country,

You do know we are talking about Paris, a city of 10 million people , and your saying they might have issues getting 2 x 70mm hoses.

Ahhh you did the tour ... That explains the valuable insight knowledge in regards to firefighting

spacecoyote

Penn wrote: »

You say Trump may have been wrong on the helicopter aspect of it, but if you remove that from his idea, then all you're left with is Trump saying "Act fast and use water". The idea that Trump is somehow "right" with that suggestion or that that constitutes an idea/solution that would have in any way helped the fire fighting effort is completely laughable. The idea that Trump "called it pretty well" or that "time will prove him right" is insane.

But this is the approach of Trump supporters in general for the last few years.

Trump spouts reams of nonsense, supporters sift through the crap & find the one thing that he said that makes some semblance of sense, and attempt to shift the narrative by simply ignoring everything else he has said.

RIGOLO

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Not really...

Cells with a range of 350-600 feet are utterly useless for Rural Broadband and really not that economical in Urban areas either..

So , selling an empty set of spectra that are about as much use as a Chocolate teapot for 5G with current technology isn't leadership of any kind , it's marketing flim-flam and misdirection at best.

The Trump administration has rolled out more optical fibre to more locations in the last 12 months than in any previous year.

Telecomms in complex, and it a combination of wireless and physical cable.

By the end of this year, the United States will have 92 5G deployments in markets nationwide. The next nearest country, South Korea, will have 48.

Cisco projected that, in three years, 5G would be more than twice as prevalent in North America as in Asia.

The first 5G auction in January was sold out,
the current second auction has bids of over 2 billion ,
and the third one is due shortly and expected to sell out also ..

So the major telecommunications companies in the US are spending billions on 5G specturm auction , and the anti-Trumpers are calling his rollout plan as useful as a chocolate teapot ....

The TDS bias does indeed run deep.

derossi

RIGOLO wrote: »

Normally theres a reservoir of water kept on top of Notre Dame for this very such event. At least there was the last time I did the tour.
You probably didnt know that cos your in another country,

You do know we are talking about Paris, a city of 10 million people , and your saying they might have issues getting 2 x 70mm hoses.

I did mention that I was not in Paris. Thanks for that. I didn't know that but a quick google told me enough. No one reportedly on site and a presumable gravity fed reservoir on the opposite end of where the fire started would have been of no use.



At no time did I say that they would have issues getting access to 2 hoses. I have no doubt they would have had hundreds of them out and no doubt they had plenty of water as all you need is to either reverse a fire engine up to a body of water, use portable pumps and use the hydrants that are about.



Of course all that takes time and I explained already why it would be a bad idea to use volumes of water and also getting the water on specific areas is hard. By all means get your helicopter to throw the water on the roof and let it run down guttering. The fire spread and broke through the roof. Pretty common. American firefighting tactics are at odds with modern European tactics. Happy to debate this all day but this is not a firefighting thread. The suggestion that was made by trump was completely unnecessary and uneducated.