Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

duploelabs

Oh and this is a result of Trump's buffoonary on trade negotiations

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-13/grain-soy-soybeans-at-decade-low-amid-trade-war-pig-fever-woes

Christy42

duploelabs wrote: »

Oh and this is a result of Trump's buffoonary on trade negotiations

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-13/grain-soy-soybeans-at-decade-low-amid-trade-war-pig-fever-woes

Was it last year he had to bail out farmers with social aid?
Must be one of the few leaders who has had to bail out an industry during the boom years (and due to his own policies).

Itssoeasy

Christy42 wrote: »

Was it last year he had to bail out farmers with social aid?
Must be one of the few leaders who has had to bail out an industry during the boom years (and due to his own policies).

Yes. I mean why can see how stupid it is but clearly he doesn't.

Leroy42

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Christy42 wrote: »

Was it last year he had to bail out farmers with social aid?
Must be one of the few leaders who has had to bail out an industry during the boom years (and due to his own policies).

Yes. I mean why can see how stupid it is but clearly he doesn't.

But also his supporters, who rail against the very mention of the word socialist and seem to live on the mantra that you alone are responsible for your problems, have no issue with such blatant socialism.

Danzy

Leroy42 wrote: »

But also his supporters, who rail against the very mention of the word socialist and seem to live on the mantra that you alone are responsible for your problems, have no issue with such blatant socialism.

No doubt there is s great irony in that, he has done more to roll back Reaganism than any major western leader in decades.

The only setback globalization and neoliberalism has had in 30 years. He is not left by any stretch but if he gets a 2nd term he'll be as transformative as Reagan and Thatcher were, as Konrad Adenauer etc. Defining a country well past his own terms.

Stallingrad

His trade wars are so typical of the man and reflect his entire business career. Always willing to gamble in the hope something comes right, and even if it doesn't he is only gambling with others people lives and businesses while he will always come away unscathed. His comments that China would pay for the new tariffs tell you all you need to know, no clue how things work, if he was a CEO he would be out on his ear.

Once again the narcissistic personality means he will never accept that his decisions were flawed, a lifetime of no consequence actions coming home to roost.

Leroy42

True, but he is betting on the liklehood that most people don't understand it either and are just happy to hear that they are winning.

He is not the 1st, not will he be the last, the use the tactic.

What he has done is harness the totally unregulated medium of twitter and the likes to bypass what would have normally been the brake mechanism on this.

Look at Farage's interview on Marr on Sunday. Farage wanted to siply parrot the usual no detail sound bites, and Marr wanted to get into the detail of who the Brexit party actually was. That doesn't suit these type of people so they revert to rallies and Twitter soundbites.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/YahooNews/status/1127960954338250756?s=20



The Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee encouraging someone to ignore one s Senate subpoena is peak Trump era

First Up

Stallingrad wrote:

His comments that China would pay for the new tariffs tell you all you need to know, no clue how things work, if he was a CEO he would be out on his ear.

His ignorance on this is astonishing. He talked about how the US would "collect" hundreds of millions from Chinese imports, without seeming to realise that this will be collected from the US importers and ultimately paid for by US consumers.

Its not as if supply chains built up over many years can be changed so that stuff made in China at a fraction of what it would cost in the US can be produced in the US and magically appear on the shelves of Walmart or US production lines without anyone noticing the difference.

You'd have to wonder what sort of people advise him. This is primary school stuff.

Leroy42

First Up wrote: »

His ignorance on this is astonishing. He talked about how the US would "collect" hundreds of millions from Chinese imports, without seeming to realise that this will be collected from the US importers and ultimately paid for by US consumers.

Its not as if supply chains built up over many years can be changed so that stuff made in China at a fraction of what it would cost in the US can be produced in the US and magically appear on the shelves of Walmart or US production lines without anyone noticing the difference.

You'd have to wonder what sort of people advise him. This is primary school stuff.

You misunderstand what he is saying in the message. It is not aimed at you are me, it is aimed at the 'normal' people who spent little time thinking about stuff like this. Those that are busy with families, jobs, whatever.

So he states something like that and it makes everyone feel better. It is the same as war propaganda. Only those on the front line really know and they are too busy dealing with the issues to try to explain them to people.

The very fact that many US companies are seeking, and obtaining, exceptions put paid to the very notion of the message but of course he doesn't mention that.

amandstu

First Up wrote: »

His ignorance on this is astonishing. He talked about how the US would "collect" hundreds of millions from Chinese imports, without seeming to realise that this will be collected from the US importers and ultimately paid for by US consumers.

Its not as if supply chains built up over many years can be changed so that stuff made in China at a fraction of what it would cost in the US can be produced in the US and magically appear on the shelves of Walmart or US production lines without anyone noticing the difference.

You'd have to wonder what sort of people advise him. This is primary school stuff.

Maybe in his own mind he sees the US as winning the trade war and so China pays indirectly (like Mexico will for the wall).

It is the "fuite en avance" ,the pryamid scam.

First Up

Leroy42 wrote:

So he states something like that and it makes everyone feel better. It is the same as war propaganda. Only those on the front line really know and they are too busy dealing with the issues to try to explain them to people.

Well the checkout girls in Walmart will have fun trying to explain to customers why the price of everything has gone up.

Leroy42

First Up wrote: »

Well the checkout girls in Walmart will have fun trying to explain to customers why the price of everything has gone up.

Not really. Trump has already given the Corporations massive tax cuts, he has bailed out the soy bean farmers by $12bn and talking about increasing it to $15bn.

He will more than likely look to provide some 'help' to ensure that the 'normal' person doesn't notice, at least for the short term.

First Up

Leroy42 wrote:

He will more than likely look to provide some 'help' to ensure that the 'normal' person doesn't notice, at least for the short term.

How might he do that?

Leroy42

First Up wrote: »

How might he do that?

The same way he did for the farmers. Or give them exemptions, which he is already giving on certain products.

The trade war is going to cost the US state coffers at least $12bn, for that is what he has promised to provide the Soy bean farmers.

And he'll do whilst he makes another big play of the immigration problem and the need for a wall with Mexico to divert everyones attention.

First Up

Leroy42 wrote:

The same way he did for the farmers. Or give them exemptions, which he is already giving on certain products.

Give who exemptions?

peddlelies

Barr has hired a special prosecutor to look into all things Russian investigation related.

Leroy42

First Up wrote: »

Give who exemptions?

Companies can apply for exemptions based on certain products.

This is an older article, but I read another one recently but can't place my hand on it at the monent.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/business/with-trumps-tariffs-even-the-exemptions-are-costly-and-time-consuming

But it is all based on the notion that Trump makes broad claims in Twitter the the follow up is never there and people move on to the next issue without ever questioning the reality.

First Up

Leroy42 wrote:

Companies can apply for exemptions based on certain products.

Could you be more specific?

80% of what Walmart sells comes from China. Trump has imposed a 25% tax increase on such imports, which Walmart will pass on to customers.

Who will be exempted from this and how?

Leroy42

I am not sure of the exact details, only that companies can apply for exemptions and from what I can see it is based on the type of product. Thus the system is there to create exemptions, and just like with the bail out of the soy bean farmers, Trump has shown that he is willing to spend money to cover the outcome of the trade war.

It is not too big a step to think that should certain other areas, in this case Walmart, show that prices will rise and thus effect consumers due to tariffs, that they will look to ease that burden.

First Up

Leroy42 wrote:

It is not too big a step to think that should certain other areas, in this case Walmart, show that prices will rise and thus effect consumers due to tariffs, that they will look to ease that burden.

And thereby negate the whole point of imposing tariffs.

Igotadose

Hm. 120000 troops being considered for deployment to the Middle East.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/policy-strategy/443533-trump-admin-considering-plans-to-send-120000-us-troops-to

(Remind me, Trump was the safer choice because he was against foreign interventions, right?)

amandstu

peddlelies wrote: »

Barr has hired a special prosecutor to look into all things Russian investigation related.

Is the USA heading towards show trials?

Btw ,if there was something substantial for Barr to unearth what chance would there be in an FBI that sees through Trump and his lackeys given how hard it was to pin down Trump's gang with the talk of disposable phones and document shredding as standard?

This Barr thing is for show for the Oberfuhrer is it not -a transparent ploy?

pixelburp

Igotadose wrote: »

Hm. 120000 troops being considered for deployment to the Middle East.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/policy-strategy/443533-trump-admin-considering-plans-to-send-120000-us-troops-to

(Remind me, Trump was the safer choice because he was against foreign interventions, right?)

The repeated claim and name calling was that Clinton was a warmonger. Those exact words from here and elsewhere.

I mean, sure, technically Trump has started no actual wars but it's a Bad Faith argument to ignore the destabilising effects these decisions and pronouncements have on the region.

Stallingrad

^ Hopefully just brinkmanship but who knows where this will go. The mysterious attack on those 4 oil tankers, surely if Iran wanted to do some damage to tankers it would more than a few small holes. Useful propaganda for any aspiring warmonger though...

Igotadose

Stallingrad wrote: »

^ Hopefully just brinkmanship but who knows where this will go. The mysterious attack on those 4 oil tankers, surely if Iran wanted to do some damage to tankers it would more than a few small holes. Useful propaganda though for any aspiring warmonger though...

Yeah, hopefully. 120,000 armed young Americans wandering around the middle east is a recipe for problem. Higher than first 5 years of Vietnam combined. About what initially invaded Iraq.

mcmoustache

Bolton strongly desires a war with Iran. It's sort of his thing. Strangely enough, I don't think Trump is as enthusiastic.

amandstu

How are we to know who was behind this attack? Are all possible actors as likely as each other at this stage or can we say with any confidence it is most likely a (deniable) shot across the bow from elements close to the Iranian regime?

Isis or similar? Agents provocateurs?

everlast75

amandstu wrote: »

Is the USA heading towards show trials?

Btw ,if there was something substantial for Barr to unearth what chance would there be in an FBI that sees through Trump and his lackeys given how hard it was to pin down Trump's gang with the talk of disposable phones and document shredding as standard?

This Barr thing is for show for the Oberfuhrer is it not -a transparent ploy?

Isn't the I.G. already conducting an investigation into it?

Itssoeasy

everlast75 wrote: »

Isn't the I.G. already conducting an investigation into it?

Yes. He's not finished either unless I missed a news report saying he had finished. The new guy is meant to take his time which is good but could also be used by Trump to their advantage in the 2020 Election.