Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

everlast75

Fox pundit number 4 to stick the head above the parapet.


https://twitter.com/future_majority/status/1133769808326135809?s=19

TomOnBoard

everlast75 wrote: »

Fox pundit number 4 to stick the head above the parapet.


https://twitter.com/future_majority/status/1133769808326135809?s=19

In fairness, Fox News has recently begun to fracture into two distinct elements: 1) the Reporting side and 2) the Opinion side.

On the Reporting side, Shep Smith, and to a lesser (but increasing) extent, Cris Wallace have poked away at the layers of spin and lies that have been put out of the WH, and perhaps Brett Baier is now more aligned with that wing.

On the Opinion side, Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham and Pirro have doubled down on the W.H. propaganda and the gap between Reporting and Opinion has become wider week by week.

'Experts' like Judge Napolitano have become ever more critical of Trump's position in recent times, and is now a voice that I actually make it my business to listen to, because he seems to have a rounder appreciation of the legal issues (which are the meat of what is haunting the Administration) than many others, including many on other channels such as MSNBC and CNN.

Mueller's speech today, while initially appearing disappointing (to me) cut to the chase and removed all the ould shyte that Bar and the WH ave been hiding behind for weeks. Its now quite a simple message to America and its Congress!

Go Big or Go Home!

aloyisious

Mr Mueller confirming the truth: he went into the investigation into the President with his hands tied behind his back by the DOJ memo that a sitting president is untouchable. I like the parts where he said the investigation report did NOT state that there was NO evidence against the president being involved uncovered by and during the investigation.

TomOnBoard

Robert de Niro pens a public letter to Robert Mueller in the New York Times following today's 9 minute speech by Mueller.

Its worth a read.

In an extremely respectful letter, he says:


"Robert Mueller, We Need to Hear More. You said that your investigation’s work “speaks for itself.” It doesn’t."




https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/opinion/robert-de-niro-robert-mueller-we-need-to-hear-more.html?te=1&nl=evening-briefing&emc=edit_ne_20190529

Good points, Well made...

Coupled with that is another interesting read which suggests that Mueller's modus operandi is one that comes from fidelity and honour; characteristics that simply may no longer exist in the highest echelons of power.

Accordingly, perhaps Mueller's M.O. simply won't work when he was asked by the American People to do a job that involved investigation, among other things, a mindset and personality that knows and practices little of either characteristic. Sadly, the author suggests that Mueller "is serving a vision of America that no longer exists."

Have a read: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/opinion/mueller-trump-russia-report.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

marno21

https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/1133882529335980032

This has become normal behaviour now. It's just another day in this administration

Manic Moran

According to the Navy:

U.S. Navy's Seventh Fleet, Cmdr. Clay Doss, said: "The picture of the Tarp is from Friday and it was taken down on Saturday. Paint barge was also removed ahead of the visit. All ships remained in normal configuration during the President's visit.".

Presumably it shouldn't be hard to find a still or photo from the visit with the ship in the background.

That's not to say that someone in the White House may not have asked either with or without Trump's knowledge, but I really don't see the Navy going along with the idea.

Ilovemycharlie

Trump is a man of his word. Look how there is feck all red tape over there compared to here in this country regarding business. Our country is run by teachers.

Midlife

Ilovemycharlie wrote: »

Trump is a man of his word. Look how there is feck all red tape over there compared to here in this country regarding business. Our country is run by teachers.

I don't know much about starting a business in the US or here. What are the differences regarding red tape?

Is it just a general lack of regulation?

Igotadose

Ilovemycharlie wrote: »

Trump is a man of his word. Look how there is feck all red tape over there compared to here in this country regarding business. Our country is run by teachers.

Why do you think that had anything to do with Trump?

RIGOLO

Ilovemycharlie wrote: »

Trump is a man of his word. Look how there is feck all red tape over there compared to here in this country regarding business. Our country is run by teachers.

Igotadose wrote: »

Why do you think that had anything to do with Trump?

because over 2 years ago , January 2017, President Donald Trump signed Executive Order 13771

Executive Order 13771 —entitled "Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs"— is an executive order signed by U.S. President Donald Trump on January 30, 2017.


Known as the 2 for 1 order, it effectively stated that if a new business regulation was created, then 2 had to be removed.

“If there’s a new regulation, they have to knock out two. But it goes far beyond that, we’re cutting regulations massively for small business and for large business,” Trump said during the signing of the order, while surrounded by small-business leaders.

but in fact the goals have been far exceeded, its more like 22:1 ratio ..
Agencies have issued 22 deregulatory actions for every one new regulatory action.
And the WH estimates federal agencies achieved $8.1 billion in lifetime net regulatory cost savings, the equivalent of $570 million per year due to this deregulation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/01/trumps-regulation-eo/515007/

so yeah the reduction in red-tape for US small and medium business has Donald TRumps signature all over it .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13771

Executive Order 13771 requires any executive department or agency who plans to publicly announce a new regulation to propose at least two regulations which will in turn be repealed. The cost of the implementation of these new regulations must be less than or equal to 0 dollars. If costs above 0 dollars are accrued, the payment of these costs shall be funded through the elimination of more regulations

lets just blame the main stream media bias, they spent the last 2 years talking about the Mueller 'nothing-burger' , when among other things TRumps deregulation measures for small buisness were putting the US economy on steroids...

Brian?

RIGOLO wrote: »

because over 2 years ago , January 2017, President Donald Trump signed Executive Order 13771

Executive Order 13771 —entitled "Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs"— is an executive order signed by U.S. President Donald Trump on January 30, 2017.


Known as the 2 for 1 order, it effectively stated that if a new business regulation was created, then 2 had to be removed.



but in fact the goals have been far exceeded, its more like 22:1 ratio ..
Agencies have issued 22 deregulatory actions for every one new regulatory action.
And the WH estimates federal agencies achieved $8.1 billion in lifetime net regulatory cost savings, the equivalent of $570 million per year due to this deregulation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/01/trumps-regulation-eo/515007/

so yeah the reduction in red-tape for US small and medium business has Donald TRumps signature all over it .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13771



lets just blame the main stream media bias, they spent the last 2 years talking about the Mueller 'nothing-burger' , when among other things TRumps deregulation measures for small buisness were putting the US economy on steroids...

You know what happens to athletes who over use steroids? It's very similar to what happens to an economy that's over heated by deregulation and cheap credit. It's not even guess work, we saw it about 15 years ago.

Igotadose

RIGOLO wrote: »

because over 2 years ago , January 2017, President Donald Trump signed Executive Order 13771

Executive Order 13771 —entitled "Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs"— is an executive order signed by U.S. President Donald Trump on January 30, 2017.


Known as the 2 for 1 order, it effectively stated that if a new business regulation was created, then 2 had to be removed.
/QUOTE]
And, was the situation before this, worse in the US than Ireland? Or the same?

Let's not claim Trump made the US regulation free compared to Ireland - it probably already was. The OP didn't mention the state of regulation in the US prior to Trump and how that impacted his opinion.

Having grown up in the US and moved to Ireland, 5 years ago, Ireland was *way* more regulated than the US.

Finally, for the case of small business, it's usually state regulations that matter in the US, not Federal, which is what Trump's order is about. A lot of the regulations removed by the Trump admin aren't particularly consumer benefits and likely will be changed (like net neutrality and the fiduciary rules.)

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/

RIGOLO

Brian? wrote: »

You know what happens to athletes who over use steroids? It's very similar to what happens to an economy that's over heated by deregulation and cheap credit. It's not even guess work, we saw it about 15 years ago.

Do you know what happens to sick people who are fighting viruses and receive steroids... they get better... Who needs guess work, its a medical wonder.
Steroid analogy can be a positive also.. Steroids are saving lives every day ...

Trump put an ailng small and medium business economy on a dose of steroids, and we know have a much healthier patient , small and medium buisness in the US is booming .

batgoat

RIGOLO wrote: »

Do you know what happens to sick people who are fighting viruses and receive steroids... they get better... Who needs guess work, its a medical wonder.
Steroid analogy can be a positive also.. Steroids are saving lives every day ...

Trump put an ailng small and medium business economy on a dose of steroids, and we know have a much healthier patient , small and medium buisness in the US is booming .

The steroids analogy is perfectly valid. What you're referring to are corticosteroids which are significantly different to anabolic ones firstly. Doctors sparingly prescribe them when possible. Excessive use of corticosteroids can result in osteoporosis and they may simply cease to work eventually, not uncommon.

So yep to carry on, high deregulation in the US is like a fantastic setup to create a substantial fiscal crash. It can also result in corporations just engaging in common sense Eg in areas such as environmental.

RIGOLO

Igotadose wrote: »

RIGOLO wrote: »

because over 2 years ago , January 2017, President Donald Trump signed Executive Order 13771

Executive Order 13771 —entitled "Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs"— is an executive order signed by U.S. President Donald Trump on January 30, 2017.


Known as the 2 for 1 order, it effectively stated that if a new business regulation was created, then 2 had to be removed.
/QUOTE]
And, was the situation before this, worse in the US than Ireland? Or the same?

Let's not claim Trump made the US regulation free compared to Ireland - it probably already was. The OP didn't mention the state of regulation in the US prior to Trump and how that impacted his opinion.

Having grown up in the US and moved to Ireland, 5 years ago, Ireland was *way* more regulated than the US.

Finally, for the case of small business, it's usually state regulations that matter in the US, not Federal, which is what Trump's order is about. A lot of the regulations removed by the Trump admin aren't particularly consumer benefits and likely will be changed (like net neutrality and the fiduciary rules.)

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/

There have been huge savings, savings in costs and expense but also a huge knock on effect of TRump Administrations deregulation efforts is that insted of pushing more paper work on aministration officials at state and federal levlel it has freed them up to actuall do more productive ork in helping business at a state and federal level.


https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaEO13771

Agencies accelerated the pace of regulatory reform in fiscal year 2018.

Eliminated $23 billion in overall regulatory costs across the government.
12-to-1: Agencies issued 176 deregulatory actions and 14 significant regulatory actions.
57 deregulatory actions were significant. Comparing significant deregulatory to significant regulatory actions yields a ratio of 4 to 1.
In fiscal year 2019, agencies anticipate saving a total of $18 billion in regulatory costs from final rulemakings. This does not include one of the most significant deregulatory rules anticipated in fiscal year 2019, "The Safer Affordable Fuel-Efficient (SAFE) Vehicles Rule for Model Years 2021-2026 Passenger Cars and Light Trucks," which the proposed rule estimates will save between $120 and $340 billion in regulatory costs.

FreudianSlippers

Ilovemycharlie wrote: »

Trump is a man of his word. Look how there is feck all red tape over there compared to here in this country regarding business. Our country is run by teachers.

I've lived/worked in a few different places (Ireland, UK, UAE, USA) and I can tell you without a doubt that both from a working perspective and a personal perspective, the US is full of red tape to the same if not a larger extent than other countries.

Paying your taxes is slightly easier as the tax code is way more simplified than Ireland, and there are countless options both electronically an physical to file, but almost everything else is mired in red tape.

RIGOLO

So its been another good week for the Trump Administration.

A very successful state visit to Japan, he became the first leader to meet the new Emperor. In a nation like Japan which is built around honour, ceremony and tradition this was a huge accolade for Trump. It was dissapointing the main stream media did not give it better coverage, there were some fantastic images and footage available . I had to watch NHK to get any decent coverage.

Michael Wollf new book bombs as even Robert Mueller comes out to issue a statement refuting claims in it.

Jim Acostas book barely registers.

Avenatti is facing not one but two indictments. Avenatti the one time darling of the anti-Trumpers, a man who had the freedom on the airwaves, 200 times on main stream media spouting bile, touted as a defender of freedom and potential 2020 candidate.

Nancy Pelosi has a faceplant for all to see as she stumbles and mumbles her way thru a video.

Farage and the Brexit party make huge inroads as Teresa May waves goodbye, much as Trump said polite words about her a new regime in the UK will most likely be conducive to Trump administration.

Trump is lined up for a state visit to the UK, where he will meet the Queen, from the Emperor of Japan to the Queen of England in less than 2 weeks, that’s impressive.

AG Barr continues the deep state probe of the anti-TRumpers , many of whom are now clamering to lay the blames at other anti-Trumpers as Comey and Brennan et al start a public tit for tat.

Robert Mueller delivers another 'nothing burger' in his parting press statement as he retires from the DOJ, and tries to slink into oblivion.

China continues to feel the heat from teh trade neotiaions, with more countries siding with the US in terms of embargos and limitations on Hu-ah-way...

And to top it all the 75th Anniversary of D-Day is coming up, Im hoping to get to see Trump at the DAKS over Normandy celebrations.

Pretty good time to be a TRump Administration supporter..

Brian?

RIGOLO wrote: »

Do you know what happens to sick people who are fighting viruses and receive steroids... they get better... Who needs guess work, its a medical wonder.
Steroid analogy can be a positive also.. Steroids are saving lives every day ...

Trump put an ailng small and medium business economy on a dose of steroids, and we know have a much healthier patient , small and medium buisness in the US is booming .

The US economy was doing extremely well when Trump took over, he’s done ok by not crashing it so far.

SMEs traditionally lag larger companies when an economy is in positive growth. I’d be fairly sure the rising tide did more for them than federal deregulation. Most SMEs aren’t that affected by federal regulations as they don’t trade across state lines.

Leroy42

It's like clock work.

Something serious happens, in this case Mueller saying Trump can't be charged not because he didn't do anything but simply because he is being protected by the DOJ, and all of a sudden Rigolo wants to talk about regulations and red tape.

He hasn't been charged due to his position and he hasn't been impeached because the GOP won't adhere to their responsibilities.

RIGOLO

Brian? wrote: »

The US economy was doing extremely well when Trump took over, he’s done ok by not crashing it so far.

SMEs traditionally lag larger companies when an economy is in positive growth. I’d be fairly sure the rising tide did more for them than federal deregulation. Most SMEs aren’t that affected by federal regulations as they don’t trade across state lines.

If it was doing so well why did Obama and the Democrats lose over 1100 legislative seats during his 8 years, and why did a person who had never run for public office win an election over the ex-Secretary of State for an adminstration that you claim had an economy doing extremely well.

I dont buy the economy was doing well under Obama, and neither did over 60 million AMericans who voted Donald TRump as the 45th POTUS.
The best part about the democatic procss in the S is everyone is given another chance in 2020 to decide if Trump is doing a good job on the economy.
All indicatiosn are they will endorse him and give him a second term in office in whihc case does this mean in 2022 you will still be claiming the economy is Obamas legacy...

RIGOLO

Leroy42 wrote: »

It's like clock work.

Something serious happens, in this case Mueller saying Trump can't be charged not because he didn't do anything but simply because he is being protected by the DOJ, and all of a sudden Rigolo wants to talk about regulations and red tape.

He hasn't been charged due to his position and he hasn't been impeached because the GOP won't adhere to their responsibilities.

If you read the post , I was responding to someone who opinioned TRump had nothing todo with the reduction in red tape in the US.

Thats a poor debating tactic I have to say. To accusse someone who is responding to a point raised by another poster of 'deflection' simply because you dont like their message.

Am I not allowed to respond to posts ?

Stallingrad

RIGOLO wrote: »

And to top it all the 75th Anniversary of D-Day is coming up, Im hoping to get to see Trump at the DAKS over Normandy celebrations.
.

The draft dodging President, mocking a Gold Star family, deriding a captured John McCain, few things can be more nauseating than him turning up in Normandy.

RIGOLO

Stallingrad wrote: »

The draft dodging President, mocking a Gold Star family, deriding a captured John McCain, few things can be more nauseating than him turning up in Normandy.

Did you not watch the State Of The Union in Feb, TRump paid a very moving tribute to 3 WW2 veterans .
TRump Administration has cleaned up the VA organistation.
TRump Administration ha delivered 2 of the largest defence budgets to the military.
And on TRumps recent visit to Japan , aircrew on the assault ship Wasp anchored in Tokyo Bay sported 'Make Aircrew Great Again' patches with a likeness of DT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/world/asia/military-patch-trump.html

TRumps record with the miltary is just fine. He will be more than welcome at the D-Day celebrations .

mcmoustache

RIGOLO wrote: »

And on TRumps recent visit to Japan , aircrew on the assault ship Wasp anchored in Tokyo Bay sported 'Make Aircrew Great Again' patches with a likeness of DT.

You view that as a good thing?

Leroy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

If you read the post , I was responding to someone who opinioned TRump had nothing todo with the reduction in red tape in the US.

Thats a poor debating tactic I have to say. To accusse someone who is responding to a point raised by another poster of 'deflection' simply because you dont like their message.

Am I not allowed to respond to posts ?

Of course you are, and I am also allowed to point out the clear strategy that you use. You didn't post anything to all the Mueller press conference posts. But suddenly someone posts something totally off the topic and you are all over it.

You want me to believe that the main topic that we should be talking about today is red tape? Not the fact that Mueller basically called Trump should be charged with crimes and the Barr had totally misrepresented his report.

There are really serious issues but you are right, cutting down red tape (or burning regulations depending on how you look at it) is the main story.

Penn

RIGOLO wrote: »

Nancy Pelosi has a faceplant for all to see as she stumbles and mumbles her way thru a video.

A video proven to be fake. Acknowledged, by pretty much everyone at this stage, to be fake. Literally, fake news.

Do you think a President sharing fake and edited videos of a political rival is a good thing? Do you think a President spreading misinformation to the public is a good thing?

everlast75

RIGOLO wrote: »

So its been another good week for the Trump Administration.

RIGOLO wrote: »

A very successful state visit to Japan, he became the first leader to meet the new Emperor. In a nation like Japan which is built around honour, ceremony and tradition this was a huge accolade for Trump. It was dissapointing the main stream media did not give it better coverage, there were some fantastic images and footage available . I had to watch NHK to get any decent coverage.

You mean the visit where he wished Japan a Happy Memorial Day, and spent his visit tweeting about KJU, praising him and trashing a former Vice President? Yep - stellar behaviour

RIGOLO wrote: »

Michael Wollf new book bombs as even Robert Mueller comes out to issue a statement refuting claims in it.

Who exactly gives two ***** about Wolff's book?

RIGOLO wrote: »

Jim Acostas book barely registers.

Again - trying to find a **** to give.

RIGOLO wrote: »

Avenatti is facing not one but two indictments. Avenatti the one time darling of the anti-Trumpers, a man who had the freedom on the airwaves, 200 times on main stream media spouting bile, touted as a defender of freedom and potential 2020 candidate.

Awful that such a low life caused Trump to be an unindicted co-conspirator. Imagine being taken down by that guy?

RIGOLO wrote: »

Nancy Pelosi has a faceplant for all to see as she stumbles and mumbles her way thru a video.

You do know that's a fake video, right? Or do you refuse to acknowledge reality here too?

RIGOLO wrote: »

Farage and the Brexit party make huge inroads as Teresa May waves goodbye, much as Trump said polite words about her a new regime in the UK will most likely be conducive to Trump administration.

So you are pro Farage then? Makes sense I suppose.

RIGOLO wrote: »

Trump is lined up for a state visit to the UK, where he will meet the Queen, from the Emperor of Japan to the Queen of England in less than 2 weeks, that’s impressive.

Impressive that he can get a flight?

RIGOLO wrote: »

AG Barr continues the deep state probe of the anti-TRumpers , many of whom are now clamering to lay the blames at other anti-Trumpers as Comey and Brennan et al start a public tit for tat.

He's not conducting the investigation. He delegated that to someone else. An pre-judging an investigation before it starts goes to show how much you care about the justice system.

RIGOLO wrote: »

Robert Mueller delivers another 'nothing burger' in his parting press statement as he retires from the DOJ, and tries to slink into oblivion.

That is complete nonsense. You either don't know that (in which case at this stage there is no talking to you) or you are lying. Take your pick.

RIGOLO wrote: »

China continues to feel the heat from teh trade neotiaions, with more countries siding with the US in terms of embargos and limitations on Hu-ah-way...

Trade wars are simple!? Ask the American farmers.

RIGOLO wrote: »

And to top it all the 75th Anniversary of D-Day is coming up, Im hoping to get to see Trump at the DAKS over Normandy celebrations.

So long as it isn't raining.... of course

RIGOLO wrote: »

Pretty good time to be a TRump Administration supporter..

Buckle up. It only gets worse from here.

Billy Mays

RIGOLO wrote: »

Did you not watch the State Of The Union in Feb, TRump paid a very moving tribute to 3 WW2 veterans .
TRump Administration has cleaned up the VA organistation.
TRump Administration ha delivered 2 of the largest defence budgets to the military.
And on TRumps recent visit to Japan , aircrew on the assault ship Wasp anchored in Tokyo Bay sported 'Make Aircrew Great Again' patches with a likeness of DT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/world/asia/military-patch-trump.html

TRumps record with the miltary is just fine. He will be more than welcome at the D-Day celebrations .

You left out the bit about navy personnel not being invited to or being turned away from the address on the USS Wasp because they serve on the USS John McCain. You also left out the bit about the White House ordering the navy to shield Trump from laying his eyes on the USS John McCain

mcmoustache

Manic Moran wrote: »

According to the Navy:

U.S. Navy's Seventh Fleet, Cmdr. Clay Doss, said: "The picture of the Tarp is from Friday and it was taken down on Saturday. Paint barge was also removed ahead of the visit. All ships remained in normal configuration during the President's visit.".

Presumably it shouldn't be hard to find a still or photo from the visit with the ship in the background.

That's not to say that someone in the White House may not have asked either with or without Trump's knowledge, but I really don't see the Navy going along with the idea.

It has since been confirmed by the WSJ and Trump himself just said that he wasn't informed about it. Given his character, it's not particularly surprising.

Igotadose

Interesting site here: http://www.doingbusiness.org/en/rankings

World bank on doing business based on various metrics. US is 8th in 'ease of doing business' (Ireland 23rd.) New Zealand leads in most categories except for getting electricity, which isn't surprising. US is *53rd* in starting a business, Ireland 10th.

My conclusions? Ireland's easier to start a business, because in my view, you don't have to worry about providing health care to yourself or your employees, unlike in the US. US is easier to do business, because of less regulation that's been true (versus Ireland) since forever. The regs Trump's removing are either give backs to his wall street or energy industry buddies, or anti-woman (title IX stuff still being debated.)