Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

Brian?

Jamiekelly wrote: »

Have a source for that?

Here you go:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48618273


I'm sure Trump supporters will now hand wave this away.

jochenstacker

Brian? wrote: »

Here you go:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48618273


I'm sure Trump supporters will now hand wave this away.

And if I did do it, you deserved it.
That's where we stand. Trump knows he is unassailable as far as his supporters are concerned.
We can only hope that enough people are turned off by his antics and he is too blind to see it, because he just lives in an echo chamber of mindless Trump Fans.

edit:
Actually, Trump just added a line to the narcissist's prayer.
"And I'll do it again, because you won't do fcuk all about it, fcuk you"

hotmail.com

marno21 wrote: »

I think Elizabeth Warren would be a fantastic President and it’s refreshing to see her doing so well now given the effort she has put into policy to date

Biden wouldn’t be my ideal candidate but I would be willing to support him in a binary choice vs the incumbent

Do you have a vote?

looksee

So Trump will accept information from foreign powers, true or false, doesn't matter. He will use this against his opponents.

His opponents meanwhile don't have to look for information from anywhere other than their own observations and information freely available in the media, but discussing this just results in the 'fake news' response from Trump. And it works! Nothing sticks. And what is truly amazing is that so many people just lap it up - the cult of personality is more effective than policies, integrity, dignity and responsibility.

Elizabeth Warren is far too intelligent to win against Trump; she would need to be able to do shallow, rabble rousing meetings with populist speeches in words of no more than two syllables to have a hope of denting his support. Conversely, one single oft repeated lie will be enough to sink her.

pixelburp

She already suffers from a lie, the whole Native American kerfuffle has been a millstone, and lord knows Trump has used the 'pocahontas' jibe ad infinitum. I think she does have the capacity to whip up a good crowd, being a good orator and until Sanders came along, was considered quite the socialist firebrand; the debate would be interesting cos Trump seldom speaks his mind face to face, preferring to snipe from Twitter or the safety of his rallies. I couldn't see him being so gleeful with the Pocahontas jibe live on TV

ToBeFrank123

Has Trump learned nothing? He wants to hear information about opponents?

In other words he's willing to collude with outside states to drag up information on opponents, almost exactly what happened in 2016.

I was willing to give Trump a free ride, but this is bottom of the barrel stuff. The guy is not fit to run a corner shop.

Every country with an ax to grind or who wants to influence US elections will now try to hack and dig up dirt on opponents, because Trump is willing to give it a hearing.

FreudianSlippers

marno21 wrote: »

I think Elizabeth Warren would be a fantastic President and it’s refreshing to see her doing so well now given the effort she has put into policy to date

Biden wouldn’t be my ideal candidate but I would be willing to support him in a binary choice vs the incumbent

I've been supporting Harris and I still would really like her, but I'm leaning towards voting for Warren in the primary now as I think she has a better chance of beating Biden than Harris.

Nody

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Has Trump learned nothing? He wants to hear information about opponents?

In other words he's willing to collude with outside states to drag up information on opponents, almost exactly what happened in 2016.

I was willing to give Trump a free ride, but this is bottom of the barrel stuff. The guy is not fit to run a corner shop.

Every country with an ax to grind or who wants to influence US elections will now try to hack and dig up dirt on opponents, because Trump is willing to give it a hearing.

I honestly think some of you are jumping far to quickly without thinking in this case. Yes, Trump will accept dirt from foreign sources; there's nothing new there as we already know he did so in 2016 from Russia. However the reason he's stating that is to make the more radical part of the democratic party to foam at their mouth demanding impeachment etc. Why? Because not only would it shore up his own base, the republican base and some of the middle ground voters in the same way going to war would but it's also guaranteed to fail due to the Republican Senate. On top of that it will cause a Democratic divide as the more senior / moderate realize it will not work while the radical wing don't care and want to go for it anyway.

Hence he's in practice trolling the Democrats and they are falling for it.

looksee

In fairness, Nancy Pelosi isn't falling for it, but unfortunately a lot of the others are. Its a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario.

ToBeFrank123

Nody wrote: »

I honestly think some of you are jumping far to quickly without thinking in this case. Yes, Trump will accept dirt from foreign sources; there's nothing new there as we already know he did so in 2016 from Russia. However the reason he's stating that is to make the more radical part of the democratic party to foam at their mouth demanding impeachment etc. Why? Because not only would it shore up his own base, the republican base and some of the middle ground voters in the same way going to war would but it's also guaranteed to fail due to the Republican Senate. On top of that it will cause a Democratic divide as the more senior / moderate realize it will not work while the radical wing don't care and want to go for it anyway.

Hence he's in practice trolling the Democrats and they are falling for it.

Whether he's joking or trolling or not is largely irrelevant.

Its bordering on treasonous to offer to work with or accept assistance from another country to undermine democracy in your own country, and this is exactly what Trump has been doing since before the last election.

He was willing to work with Russia to undermine democracy in the US.

Nody

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Whether he's joking or trolling or not is largely irrelevant.

Its bordering on treasonous to offer to work with or accept assistance from another country to undermine democracy in your own country, and this is exactly what Trump has been doing since before the last election.

He was willing to work with Russia to undermine democracy in the US.

And that only matters if you can impeach him for it which currently is not the case; hence going for an impeachment is playing directly into his hands.

Christy42

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Whether he's joking or trolling or not is largely irrelevant.

Its bordering on treasonous to offer to work with or accept assistance from another country to undermine democracy in your own country, and this is exactly what Trump has been doing since before the last election.

He was willing to work with Russia to undermine democracy in the US.

Well it worked once and inspired better Russian than democrat t shirts. He may need all the help he can get.

I reckon he is joking by calling for it in public but if he was approached he would say yes. As you say irrelevant whether he is joking or not. It is not something he should be joking about. It undermines the office of the president.

Who knows maybe he is that dumb to ask for it seriously in public. He will likely get away with it.

Stallingrad

Whatever the reason for it, it is just such a debasement of the Presidency, and makes the US look like a third rate, tin pot country. He still thinks he is running a business. This is what happens when the lunatic is running the asylum. Can he lower the bar any further?

Penn

Nody wrote: »

And that only matters if you can impeach him for it which currently is not the case; hence going for an impeachment is playing directly into his hands.

Can't remember where I read it, but there was a good article a week or two ago about how if the Dems wait until nearer the elections to start impeachment proceedings, it wouldn't be brought before the GOP Senate before the election so wouldn't be voted on until after the election, it'll cut into Trump's time for campaigning for the election, and with the Dem-led House Committees they can build up more evidence in the meantime to make it more likely to stick.

Impeaching now, while likely a valid course of action imo, is too early because like you say, the GOP Senate will bat it away and Trump would be going into the re-election campaign being able to say he was totally exonerated and that the Dems impeached him and failed. But if the Dems wait until closer to the election, and with so many GOP Senators who will have to be campaigning for their own re-election too, initiating impeachment proceedings will have a huge effect on all the Trump/GOP campaigns and their ability to dismiss the impeachment.

I think you're right, I think Trump is baiting them into doing it now. Pelosi is smart if she is indeed waiting to use it for the election, but she needs to do a better job of controlling the Dems and stopping them from calling for it too early.

hill16bhoy

Nody wrote: »

I honestly think some of you are jumping far to quickly without thinking in this case. Yes, Trump will accept dirt from foreign sources; there's nothing new there as we already know he did so in 2016 from Russia. However the reason he's stating that is to make the more radical part of the democratic party to foam at their mouth demanding impeachment etc. Why? Because not only would it shore up his own base, the republican base and some of the middle ground voters in the same way going to war would but it's also guaranteed to fail due to the Republican Senate. On top of that it will cause a Democratic divide as the more senior / moderate realize it will not work while the radical wing don't care and want to go for it anyway.

Hence he's in practice trolling the Democrats and they are falling for it.

This is a dreadful reading of the situation.

The issue of impeachment should not be some children's cat and mouse game like you think. It's about upholding whatever democracy the US has left and holding a president who breaks the law to account.

If the Democrats refuse to impeach, they shouldn't be surprised when their base doesn't come out in 2020. Why should voters come out for a party that doesn't take the job of government seriously?

Much of the reason Elizabeth Warren is surging is precisely because she has been so clear in calling for Trump to be impeached.

Impeachment, aka doing your job and doing your duty, is a vote winner, not a vote loser.

Trump cares about three things - money, power, and immunity from prosecution. The very last thing he wants is the Democrats to begin impeachment proceedings because it blows things wide out in the open via public hearings. It forces the Republicans to defend the indefensible.

Refusal to impeach enables him. It enables him to commit crime, it enables him to voice open intent to commit crime like he did last night.

The Mueller report, for all its faults, is a clear referral to impeach.

If the Democrats won't do their job and impeach, they can't credibly claim any moral high ground whatsoever, because they will have enabled Trump, they will have stood back and done nothing when they had the chance to do something.

Pelosi and the corporate Democrats who think they're playing a "4d chess" strategy which in reality doesn't work, have been totally gutless so far.

They need to step up to the plate, now.

Igotadose

Stallingrad wrote: »

Whatever the reason for it, it is just such a debasement of the Presidency, and makes the US look like a third rate, tin pot country. He still thinks he is running a business. This is what happens when the lunatic is running the asylum. Can he lower the bar any further?

Of course he can. Haven't we been saying that pretty much constantly since he was sworn in. Once upon a time, baldface lies about inauguration crowds were shocking. Now they'd barely register a blip.

There's so much of it going on, it's difficult to keep up. Remember when he lied about no protests in the UK? https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/446683-trump-bashes-fake-news-says-he-has-only-seen-crowds-of-well-wishers
Hectored people to boycott AT&T because they own CNN, mentioned having several terms ?
Called Haiti a shithole?

Thing is, it's not that he can't go lower - of course he can. It's that there's seemingly no chance he can go any *higher*. Interviewing with Ingraham and taking swipes at politicians during an otherwise solemn D-Day celebration?

Can't wait till the 4th of July. I wonder if he'll get his military parade this time (remember how he wanted one in DC for Veteran's Day after seeing Bastille Day?)

Lower is NOT a problem with Trump. It's higher is the problem.

hill16bhoy

Christy42 wrote: »

I reckon he is joking by calling for it in public but if he was approached he would say yes. As you say irrelevant whether he is joking or not. It is not something he should be joking about. It undermines the office of the president.

He isn't joking.

He's pretending he's joking when he's entirely serious.

He's already done it, and is going to do it again, how obvious does it have to be?

Learn the lesson about Republicans and crypto-fascists.

Believe them when they say things.

I'd love to see him impeached, but its a pointless excercise. The republicans have already stated that they would kill it quickly in the senate. Impeaching him would be the right thing to do, but unfortunately it would be a waste of time. I think Pelosi's current course of action is the right way to go about it. Let him get voted out in 2020.

Nody

hill16bhoy wrote: »

This is a dreadful reading of the situation.

It's a realistic reading of the situation as it factually stands; Trump can not be impeached short of multiple Republican Senators suddenly changing their heart and going against him.

The issue of impeachment should not be some children's cat and mouse game like you think. It's about upholding whatever democracy the US has left and holding a president who breaks the law to account.

Impeachment is very much a political cat and mouse game however and as anything else in politics it's not about upholding democracy as much as getting stuff done.

If the Democrats refuse to impeach, they shouldn't be surprised when their base doesn't come out in 2020. Why should voters come out for a party that doesn't take the job of government seriously?

If the Democratic voters want another 4 years of Trump then they will only have themselves to blame. People claimed Trump got in 2016 because "Clinton was so bad" well now it's up to the Democratic base to decide if they wish to have another 4 years of Trump or vote for the lesser evil choice of whom ever is the Democratic candidate. If they don't then they are in practice voting for Trump to remain in power because they are throwing a hissy fit over now having a perfect candidate to vote for.

Impeachment, aka doing your job and doing your duty, is a vote winner, not a vote loser.

Only a vote winner for your radical base; it's only a vote winner if you actually win for the majority of people actually voting and as noted above they can't succeed in an impeachment currently.

Trump cares about three things - money, power, and immunity from prosecution. The very last thing he wants is the Democrats to begin impeachment proceedings because it blows things wide out in the open via public hearings. It forces the Republicans to defend the indefensible.

The Republicans have already been defending him for the last three years; and while they will complain about him they at the voting booth do show up and fall in line. Hence Trump wants the Democrats to go for impeachment now because he does know he's immune to it and it will ensure he gets another 4 years in power which is another 4 years of immunity.

Refusal to impeach enables him. It enables him to commit crime, it enables him to voice open intent to commit crime like he did last night.

And trying, and failing, to impeach him will give him 4 more years in power compared to the current scenario when he's likely gone by 2020. Once again understand the factual realities on the ground; an impeachment today will fail. The republican party has consistently and without exception protected him and will continue to do so. Look back at his long list of things no other president would get away with from grab them by the pussy, praising NK and NK dictator to stating he should get more terms etc. and they still row in behind him.

Pelosi and the corporate Democrats who think they're playing a "4d chess" strategy which in reality doesn't work, have been totally gutless so far.

They have been dealing with the realities while their left wing fringe pretends that because they demand it the Republicans will suddenly change heart and give in. If anything Pelosi has been doing an excellent job ensuring Trump is not handed the 2020 election on a platter by a failed impeachment to rally the Republican base to his side and remain active rather than simply not go and vote.

They need to step up to the plate, now.

No, they need to step up to the plate to ensure it sticks and he gets punished for his crimes; currently that is not the case if an impeachment goes ahead today.

Penn

hill16bhoy wrote: »

The issue of impeachment should not be some children's cat and mouse game like you think. It's about upholding whatever democracy the US has left and holding a president who breaks the law to account.

In a perfect world, absolutely. Unfortunately with US politics the way it is now, impeaching now will cause more harm to the Dems and likely result in Trump retaining the Presidency and the GOP retaining the Senate. If impeachment fails (and you can be damn sure the GOP Senate won't vote against Trump), Trump and the GOP will use it to claim total exoneration (we've already seen how they've done so with the Mueller Report) and proof the Dems are harrassing him and abusing the rule of law themselves. It would cut the legs out from the Dem House Committees still investigating him, and the Dems will be viewed as having failed, which will demoralise the base when it comes to voting.

Impeaching and failing is almost a guarantee of Trump w/ GOP-Senate until 2024, and will give the GOP more time to strengthen themselves and subvert more rules of democracy to extend themselves further than that. It also gives Trump/GOP time before the election to recover and regroup.

Impeaching in the run up to the election however, as some analysts are predicting, has a greater chance of success, and it will mean the election itself will essentially be a vote for democracy and whether or not to hold the President to account. It will be the greatest chance to actually enforce the law as it'll be almost impossible (or political suicide for many) to block proceedings against Trump, and those GOP Senators who may be likely to defend the indefensible now, may not be willing to do so when they're facing re-election themselves. If anything, they'd be more likely to sacrifice Trump and the Presidency at the cost of trying to hold on to the Senate where they can still stifle a Dem President like they did with Obama.

hill16bhoy

Nody wrote: »

It's a realistic reading of the situation as it factually stands; Trump can not be impeached short of multiple Republican Senators suddenly changing their heart and going against him.

Impeachment is very much a political cat and mouse game however and as anything else in politics it's not about upholding democracy as much as getting stuff done.

If the Democratic voters want another 4 years of Trump then they will only have themselves to blame. People claimed Trump got in 2016 because "Clinton was so bad" well now it's up to the Democratic base to decide if they wish to have another 4 years of Trump or vote for the lesser evil choice of whom ever is the Democratic candidate. If they don't then they are in practice voting for Trump to remain in power because they are throwing a hissy fit over now having a perfect candidate to vote for.

Only a vote winner for your radical base; it's only a vote winner if you actually win for the majority of people actually voting and as noted above they can't succeed in an impeachment currently.

The Republicans have already been defending him for the last three years; and while they will complain about him they at the voting booth do show up and fall in line. Hence Trump wants the Democrats to go for impeachment now because he does know he's immune to it and it will ensure he gets another 4 years in power which is another 4 years of immunity.

And trying, and failing, to impeach him will give him 4 more years in power compared to the current scenario when he's likely gone by 2020. Once again understand the factual realities on the ground; an impeachment today will fail. The republican party has consistently and without exception protected him and will continue to do so. Look back at his long list of things no other president would get away with from grab them by the pussy, praising NK and NK dictator to stating he should get more terms etc. and they still row in behind him.

They have been dealing with the realities while their left wing fringe pretends that because they demand it the Republicans will suddenly change heart and give in. If anything Pelosi has been doing an excellent job ensuring Trump is not handed the 2020 election on a platter by a failed impeachment to rally the Republican base to his side and remain active rather than simply not go and vote.

No, they need to step up to the plate to ensure it sticks and he gets punished for his crimes; currently that is not the case if an impeachment goes ahead today.

Again, all this is based on an extremely misguided assumption that impeachment is a vote loser.

There was little support for Nixon being impeached, as impeachment proceedings went on, his support collapsed.

Denigrating calling for impeachment as "a fringe left position" or "radical" or talking about people having "hissy fits" is extremely unhelpful. It's Trump-esque, actually.

Or maybe you genuinely think Justin Amash is a "fringe leftist" having a "hissy fit".

Impeachment is neither a fringe left position or radical. It's a perfectly rational, constitutional response to hold a criminal president to account.

Letting Trump set the agenda, which refusal to impeach does, is in my view the biggest vote loser of all for Democrats.

To win an election, you need to get your base to come out. That's why Clinton lost, she couldn't do that.

And even if, hypothetically, impeachment was a vote loser, it would still be the Democrats duty to do it.

You can't by definition step up to the plate if you're walking in the opposite direction and sticking your fingers in your ears and whistling to yourself.

Corporate "centrist" Democrats still haven't learned their lessons. Playing "4D chess" with Trump and the Republicans doesn't work. You have to fight them with everything you've got.

Pelosi and Schumer won't do that.

rossie1977

Mueller report has hurt Trump, you only have to look at the polls where he is losing nationally to pretty much every Dem head to head right now.

Comparing the Clinton impeachment where people knew it was a political stunt to a possible Trump impeachment where half the country already thinks he is guilty isn't comparing apples to apples.

Yes it would likely fail due to Republican dominated senate but outside Trumps hard-core base his image would be tarnished...we saw it with Hillary and the emails and Benghazi and remember she wasn't convicted of any crime but those hearings hurt her even life-long Dem voters like my aunt thought she was shady character after.

hill16bhoy

Penn wrote: »

In a perfect world, absolutely. Unfortunately with US politics the way it is now, impeaching now will cause more harm to the Dems and likely result in Trump retaining the Presidency and the GOP retaining the Senate. If impeachment fails (and you can be damn sure the GOP Senate won't vote against Trump), Trump and the GOP will use it to claim total exoneration (we've already seen how they've done so with the Mueller Report) and proof the Dems are harrassing him and abusing the rule of law themselves. It would cut the legs out from the Dem House Committees still investigating him, and the Dems will be viewed as having failed, which will demoralise the base when it comes to voting.

Impeaching and failing is almost a guarantee of Trump w/ GOP-Senate until 2024, and will give the GOP more time to strengthen themselves and subvert more rules of democracy to extend themselves further than that. It also gives Trump/GOP time before the election to recover and regroup.

Impeaching in the run up to the election however, as some analysts are predicting, has a greater chance of success, and it will mean the election itself will essentially be a vote for democracy and whether or not to hold the President to account. It will be the greatest chance to actually enforce the law as it'll be almost impossible (or political suicide for many) to block proceedings against Trump, and those GOP Senators who may be likely to defend the indefensible now, may not be willing to do so when they're facing re-election themselves. If anything, they'd be more likely to sacrifice Trump and the Presidency at the cost of trying to hold on to the Senate where they can still stifle a Dem President like they did with Obama.

It isn't those calling for impeachment who are existing in a so called "perfect world" or "ideal world", it's those warning against it.

In a "perfect world", one could have confidence in the US election system. That is not the case, especially now. It wasn't the case in 2000, and it's not the case to an exponentially greater degree in 2020.

The longer you leave Trump without fighting back against him, the greater the chance he has to fix the 2020 election so he makes damn well sure he wins.

That is the inevitable outcome if impeachment proceedings are not launched.

Refusal to impeach = emboldening Trump.

everlast75

Professor Laurence Tribe has an excellent idea. In essence, his suggestion is to open an impeachment enquiry, but not for the purpose of sending it forward to the Senate to be killed off, but to result in a censure from the House.

The House's powers will be at their peak, witnesess will have to attend, including Mueller and they'll get access to all docs easier.

Dems get to air all of Trump's dirty laundry without giving him the opportunity of proclaiming vindication for 2020.

To be honest, each day his chances of re-election get worse. This should finish him off.

everlast75

pixelburp wrote: »

She already suffers from a lie, the whole Native American kerfuffle has been a millstone

Isn't it a sad indictment that Warren has *this* as an issue for why she might not be elected, but Trump can defraud the tax office, commit felonies with his then lawyer, say he would grab women by the pu$$y, have 3 years of scandals etc etc etc and somehow people see it as any sort of a difficult race.

Igotadose

everlast75 wrote: »

Professor Laurence Tribe has an excellent idea. In essence, his suggestion is to open an impeachment enquiry, but not for the purpose of sending it forward to the Senate to be killed off, but to result in a censure from the House.

The House's powers will be at their peak, witnesess will have to attend, including Mueller and they'll get access to all docs easier.

Dems get to air all of Trump's dirty laundry without giving him the opportunity of proclaiming vindication for 2020.

To be honest, each day his chances of re-election get worse. This should finish him off.

Brilliant idea. Paralyze his Presidency without a pointless show-trial in the Senate. Likely will cost less than the Benghazi 'investigations.'

KIERAN1

Just read this, new attack and looks bad. Is Iran doing it? Trump reaction?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/13/oil-tankers-hit-fresh-attack-gulf-oman/

peddlelies

He shouldn't be making such statements publicly and it's idiotic to do so (perhaps he's trying to dog whistle Russia), but he's telling the truth about how dirty politics is. If some foreign operative approached the DNC with a video of Trump using the N word for example in the middle of a heated Presidential race, there is no way in hell they'd turn that video over to the FBI and forget about it.

"This is somebody that said, 'We have information on your opponent,'" Trump said. "'Oh, let me call the FBI.' Give me a break. Life doesn’t work that way."

DNC staffers were engaging with the Ukrainians, but nobody seems to care about that for whatever reason.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

"Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found."

Penn

Won't bother linking to the tweets, but he's gone pretty 'Loco' in the last few hours on Twitter. Highlight being him questioning that since last week he met with the Queen, Prince of Whales (yes.... yes that's how he spelled it...) and PM of Ireland, so should he report those meetings to the FBI too?

Christy42

peddlelies wrote: »

He shouldn't be making such statements publicly and it's idiotic to do so (perhaps he's trying to dog whistle Russia), but he's telling the truth about how dirty politics is. If some foreign operative approached the DNC with a video of Trump using the N word for example in the middle of a heated Presidential race, there is no way in hell they'd turn that video over to the FBI and forget about it.

"This is somebody that said, 'We have information on your opponent,'" Trump said. "'Oh, let me call the FBI.' Give me a break. Life doesn’t work that way."

DNC staffers were engaging with the Ukrainians, but nobody seems to care about that for whatever reason.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

"Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found."

If a politician is found accepting a bribe this y still get in trouble for it.

But someone else did it and got away with it is a pathetic excuse. Should we use that for robbery? " everyone on my street robs stores so you shouldn't arrest me cos I was the only one to get caught". Nope you still get arrested. This could be the end of democracy in the US. What next "oh sure ballot stuffing is done all over the place, is it that different to gerrymandering" etc.etc. etc.

Hey Republicans have had no issue going after every conspiracy theory with regards Hilary. They controlled all main pieces of power in the US for a bit so I feel like that investigation should be on them.