Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

FreudianSlippers

Quiet increase of $1.3bn as well.

Water John

Trump has just been talking to the press. Absolute rambling nonsense, called out for what it was by Michael Holmes, CNN.
He told us the technology, which he knows a lot about, would be cameras and these go on top of the wall!!!

Headshot

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1088562502315708417?s=19

We are back to this again.

He'll declare an emergency, it will be challenged in the Courts and he'll sign a bill and blame Democrat Judges....

It's his exit plan to get out of the mess caused by himself and worse thing it will be a win win situation with his base, trump cant lose.

aloyisious

It's obvious to me now that the only way to break Don's resolve is for the national media to run polls on how the GOP Senators are losing personal voting support because of their stance in supporting him in what is more increasingly not a shutdown but a lockout of Govt employees by Don. His resolve is based on their resolve. The media can keep up with the Polls on Don's loss of support but include a section specific to GOP senators turning away from him [even if it doesn't identify them]. It's time to turn up the heat on the GOP Senators stonewalling on Don's behalf.

If I am correct, on the most important point of his shutdown of Govt, it was a decision by Don to shut it down long after he had turned down a GOP joint Senate & House of Congress bill to provide funds for the wall. One has to ask why he turned down his own party's overwhelming control of both parts of congress to support & fund the wall he wanted built and wait until the Dems had control of the House of Reps until he shut down funding the important sections of the Govt which the US relies on when it came to interdicting and stopping actual illegal alien actions in entering and breaking US entry law/s.

aloyisious

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Quiet increase of $1.3bn as well.

Well we can guess where the savings for the extra $ came from, Watching various news stories where at least of one of Don's well paid Admin members at cabinet level is reported as saying the unpaid Fed Govt employees should take out loans to get them over the period Don has effectively chosen to make them work for zero pay.

Penn

aloyisious wrote: »

Well we can guess where the savings for the extra $ came from, Watching various news stories where at least of one of Don's well paid Admin members at cabinet level is reported as saying the unpaid Fed Govt employees should take out loans to get them over the period Don has effectively chosen to make them work for zero pay.

There'd be no issue with that for the Federal workers. After all, the banks and the people, they all work along. And at the grocery stores that federal workers always go to, the people know them there, so they'll all work along. Everyone can just work along until the federal workers get paid and there'll be no issues. Then the federal workers can work along paying everyone back. Work along. WORK ALONG AND I'LL SING A SONG! MAGA!

Seriously, what the almighty hell was Trump even talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2LMhtUCZoQ

circadian

The man is detached from reality. He thinks you need ID to buy groceries, now he seems to think that Government employees can default on mortgages and get IOU from Walmart because they aren't getting paid?

jooksavage

What the hell is he talking about? "The folks collecting interest and all those things... they work along". Huh? If by "work along" he means the banks penalize late payments, send out threatening letters and devastate customer's credit ratings, then yeah, then I suppose everything is "working along".

In all seriousness, if this man hadn't been born a millionaire, he'd have starved to death at this stage.

Zubeneschamali

circadian wrote: »

The thinks you need ID to buy groceries, now he seems to think that Government employees can default on mortgages and get IOU from Walmart because they aren't getting paid?

I think he got his picture of the lives of little people by watching Little House on the Prairie. Mrs. Oleson at the store will give you groceries on credit and Mr. Sprague at the bank understands that you can't pay your mortgage until you cut and sell that lumber.

Penn

I just have visions of contractors over the years complaining to Trump that he hasn't paid them fully for the work they did for him as Trump walks out saying "It's okay, we work along!"

DrumSteve

listening to his, lara trumps and Wilbur ross' comments over the last few days is really going to make sure that anyone who was really on the fence about him has gotten off it.

pixelburp

This is truly entering Marie Antoinette territory at this stage: I'd heard the comments about requiring ID for groceries, but IOUs from Walmart et al is another level of unbridled, entitled naivety (at the very best).

This is supposed to be the President who got elected as the antidote to the 'Washington Elite' and the corrupt denizens of 'the swamp' yet the man is so detached from anything remotely resembling mundane life.

And yet, he's not a Democrat so will still get about 30% of the vote. Or we're all hyperbolic 'Anti-Trump' types for pointing out these obvious flaws. Go figure that one out.

Leroy42

The latest, is that Trump is now open to a continuing resolution, following the defeat last night of the GOP bill, but that he insists it must contain a down payment on the wall. This was later correctly, helpfully, by SHS to be Large Down payment.

So now we have the POTUS dropping from Mexico paying for a wall, to claiming a fence will so, that its not just about a wall but a humanitarian crisis and emergency (two months ago), to looking of totally made up 5.7bn, and now down to looking for a large down payment on the down payment.

And to add to that, he, Wilbur Ross and others seem to think that people not getting paid isn't an issue for them as they can just get stuff anyway and sure the grocery store will just accept a promise!

And he is the worlds greatest negotiator remember.

It would actually be very funny except for the fact that 800k people are effectively being used a human pawns in his little game.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

The latest, is that Trump is now open to a continuing resolution, following the defeat last night of the GOP bill, but that he insists it must contain a down payment on the wall. This was later correctly, helpfully, by SHS to be Large Down payment.

Sure they can't even agree on the wording of what they f'n want!

KAK gave Acosta abuse for referring to the issue being a "wall", when Trump tweeted 4 times that day referring to the "wall".

It is absolutely farcical!

Penn

pixelburp wrote: »

This is truly entering Marie Antoinette territory at this stage: I'd heard the comments about requiring ID for groceries, but IOUs from Walmart et al is another level of unbridled, entitled naivety (at the very best).

No to mention how he thinks banks know all their mortgagees having worked along with them for years, so there'll be no issues there.

The bank likely wouldn't know a single one of them. It'll be flagged on their computer that they're not paying their mortgage and the bank will take no excuses for that. They're names and numbers on a screen, nothing more.

Penn

Roger Stone has been arrested as part of the Mueller investigation

https://twitter.com/kadhimshubber/status/1088758675064406016

Obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements

circadian

Penn wrote: »

Roger Stone has been arrested as part of the Mueller investigation

https://twitter.com/kadhimshubber/status/1088758675064406016

Obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements

Blessed is the sunshine act.

jooksavage

It's moments like this really bring into stark relief the growing chasm between the rich and everyone else in America and the lack of any concern on the part of the rich for the less well off. Paul Ryan's tax cut last year just put a hat on it. I'm not sure what the endgame is though, for the likes of Ross and the Mercers and the Kochs. Do they just want to keep concentrating all of the wealth at the top forever? Historically that has a habit of not working out too well for the guys at the top. Even as a matter of self-preservation, you'd think there would be a few more Warren Buffets out there happy to see a more generous portion of their profits being invested back into society. Any country can only take so much inequality. Last time around, the white working class chose a right-wing populist. Do the Republican super-rich ever worry what would happen to them if an equally belligerent left-wing populist got elected?

jooksavage

Penn wrote: »

Roger Stone has been arrested as part of the Mueller investigation

https://twitter.com/kadhimshubber/status/1088758675064406016

Obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements

Yes. Yes. More. More of this.:D:D:D

B0jangles

Penn wrote: »

Roger Stone has been arrested as part of the Mueller investigation

https://twitter.com/kadhimshubber/status/1088758675064406016

Obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements

Mueller working his way patiently and thoroughly, shaking every branch, aaaall the way up the Trump tree.

PropJoe10

B0jangles wrote: »

Mueller working his way patiently and thoroughly, shaking every branch, aaaall the way up the Trump tree.

Absolutely. Donnie Jr next, hopefully!

Cody montana

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Absolutely. Donnie Jr next, hopefully!

Oh please let it be true.

seamus

If Stone goes for a plea deal, a lot of people are in trouble.

He's basically the link between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Spoiler: He's an old, wealthy white man. He'll go for the plea deal, he's not cut out for wearing an orange jumpsuit.

jooksavage

seamus wrote: »

If Stone goes for a plea deal, a lot of people are in trouble.

He's basically the link between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Spoiler: He's an old, wealthy white man. He'll go for the plea deal, he's not cut out for wearing an orange jumpsuit.

Oh I hope he does a deal and screw over those idiots like Sam Nunberg who put themselves in harms way hinder Mueller's investigation into him. It would be poetry.

Penn

seamus wrote: »

If Stone goes for a plea deal, a lot of people are in trouble.

He's basically the link between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Spoiler: He's an old, wealthy white man. He'll go for the plea deal, he's not cut out for wearing an orange jumpsuit.

That's what I'm wondering though, would there be enough there to make him go for a deal with Mueller, or would his likely wealth & legal team be able to keep him out of jail at the very least, meaning he might not go for a deal with Mueller.

We saw how long it took Manafort to flip, and he was facing far more serious charges. With the current charges brought against Stone as listed in that indictment, is there enough there for Stone to flip, I wonder?

everlast75

Thought Corsi would have had to go first.

Delighted it could be done without him.

Now Mueller can nail Corsi without the plea deal that Corsi threw back in his face

Thepoet85

Those walls must be getting very close for Trump.

Feel like this is a major development, will be interesting to see how his Twitter account goes today!

Penn

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Those walls must be getting very close for Trump.

Feel like this is a major development, will be interesting to see how his Twitter account goes today!

FREE ROGER STONE, OR ELSE I'LL HAVE A MOAN!

Billy Mays

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Those walls must be getting very close for Trump.

Feel like this is a major development, will be interesting to see how his Twitter account goes today!

Didn't know the guy, met him once or twice. NO COLLUSION!!!!!!!

Leroy42

Penn wrote: »

That's what I'm wondering though, would there be enough there to make him go for a deal with Mueller, or would his likely wealth & legal team be able to keep him out of jail at the very least, meaning he might not go for a deal with Mueller.

We saw how long it took Manafort to flip, and he was facing far more serious charges. With the current charges brought against Stone as listed in that indictment, is there enough there for Stone to flip, I wonder?

Yes, but Manafort did flip despite all his wealth and friends and high powered lawyers. And it really didn't take him too long to flip. Remember that part of the reason he held out was he was certain of a pardon. Had Trump not been floating that idea for hard I think he would have flipped far sooner.

Stone knew this was coming, I would think they are actually going to move pretty quick on him now since they have given him plenty of time to come clean on his own accord.

From my understanding of the limited knowledge we have, they don't need any particular person to flip, they have the evidence already. But flipping them certainly makes things much easier.

Look at the Manafort example. He tried to play along and pretend he was working with them, but it turned out Mueller knew all along and was simply allowing Manafort to dig the hoel deeper.

If you are Stone, are you going to risk that happening to you or do you cash in your chips. He knows Cohen is talking, Nunberg has spliled the beans, Manafort is talking. He knows Mueller knows about Manafort selling the polling data to Russians. What else does he know?