Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

everlast75

Trump has already tweeted months ago, probably in hope more than expectation, that Stone will not "rat" him out. Let's see if that's true.

Stone strikes me as a very confident man once he holds the cards. I cannot see him holding out for Trump, unless he expects (or was guaranteed) a pardon.

Tim O'Brien retweeted once the news broke from December 2018 that Mueller looked for Stone's testimony to congress. We suspected that was a prequel to his indictment and today confirmed it.

Keep an eye for the testimony of others who have gone to the SC.

amandstu

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Those walls must be getting very close for Trump.

Feel like this is a major development, will be interesting to see how his Twitter account goes today!

His blatant threatening of Cohen has made me more confident(sadly) that the POTUS is actually directly guilty of impeachable crimes (even though impeachment may not be a feasible route to take.)

It really is on the shoulders of the Republican party now. They could give him the old heave ho(or at least put manners on him ) at any time.

It looks to me like it will have to be 2020 elections .

circadian

Yeah these are the charges needed to get him in front of Mueller. I wouldn't be surprised if there were far more serious charges against him to come but the SC will give him the rope to see if he hangs himself like Manafort.

everlast75

Just in case anyone wondered how that chat went between McConnell and Schumer post voting on those 2 failed Bills...


https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1088608228026576896

Leroy42

everlast75 wrote: »

Trump has already tweeted months ago, probably in hope more than expectation, that Stone will not "rat" him out. Let's see if that's true.

Stone strikes me as a very confident man once he holds the cards. I cannot see him holding out for Trump, unless he expects (or was guaranteed) a pardon.

Tim O'Brien retweeted once the news broke from December 2018 that Mueller looked for Stone's testimony to congress. We suspected that was a prequel to his indictment and today confirmed it.

Keep an eye for the testimony of others who have gone to the SC.

Recall that Trump was confident that Manafort wouldn't flip. Look how that turned out. And Cohen.

ONe thing we can take from any of Trumps tweets about the case is that they are pleas rather than expressions of confidence.

seamus

Penn wrote: »

That's what I'm wondering though, would there be enough there to make him go for a deal with Mueller, or would his likely wealth & legal team be able to keep him out of jail at the very least, meaning he might not go for a deal with Mueller.

Full indictment details are here:
https://www.justice.gov/file/1124706/download

You can jump to the end for the charge sheet. It's one count of obstruction, five counts of giving false statements and one count of witness tampering.

The last is probably the most serious of the lot, but in any case he's looking at jail time. The evidence is considerable and solid.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

Recall that Trump was confident that Manafort wouldn't flip. Look how that turned out. And Cohen.

Did Manafort really flip though?

Leroy42 wrote: »

ONe thing we can take from any of Trumps tweets about the case is that they are pleas rather than expressions of confidence.

Agreed

DrumSteve

Oh man, is farage (person 2) being mentioned in this?

prawnsambo

DrumSteve wrote: »

Oh man, is farage (person 2) being mentioned in this?

It sounds awfully like it. This could get very uncomfortable for Nigel.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/1088767653441929221?s=19

https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/1088767922695258117?s=19


Oh....

EltonJohn69

Roger Stone arrested.... all Fox News is taking about is Clinton and how lives are being ruined by the Muller investigation

demfad

prawnsambo wrote: »

It sounds awfully like it. This could get very uncomfortable for Nigel.

Randy Credico I would guess.

mcmoustache

Person 1 was a political commentator who worked with an online media publication during
the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. Person 1 spoke regularly with STONE throughout the
campaign, including about the release of stolen documents by Organization 1.

Person 2 was a radio host who had known STONE for more than a decade. In testimony
before HPSCI on or about September 26, 2017, STONE described Person 2 (without naming him)
as an “intermediary,” “go-between,” and “mutual friend” to the head of Organization 1. In a
follow-up letter to HPSCI dated October 13, 2017, STONE identified Person 2 by name and
claimed Person 2 was the “gentleman who confirmed for Mr. Stone” that the head of
Organization 1 had “‘[e]mails related to Hillary Clinton which are pending publication.’”

Corsi and Credico, respectively, I presume.

After the July 22, 2016 release of stolen DNC emails by Organization 1, a senior Trump
Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other
damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign.

Who directed the senior campaign official and who was the senior campaign official?

On or about the
same day, Person 1 forwarded STONE’s email to an associate who lived in the
United Kingdom and was a supporter of the Trump Campaign.

Ted Malloch?

dr.fuzzenstein

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-domestic-abuse-sexual-assault-definition-womens-rights-justice-department-a8744546.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1548350752

It is a pity that the above is only a distraction manoeuvre and it's sinking without a trace, but almost unnoticed Trump has thrown women's rights in the US back into the 1950's.
Only physical harm now counts as abuse, emotional abuse is no longer a concern in domestic abuse.
This is beyond despicable.

Penn

Best guesses as to who the Senior Trump Campaign Official is? Likely not Manafort as he left the campaign during some of the period described. Maybe Bannon?

SimonTemplar

I wonder is Trump going to tweet something outrageous but unrelated to Mueller soon in an attempt to distract from the Roger Stone story.

prawnsambo

And here it is in all its glory. Stone being arrested.

It would be full on brown trousers to see all those guys at your front door.

everlast75

Penn wrote: »

Best guesses as to who the Senior Trump Campaign Official is? Likely not Manafort as he left the campaign during some of the period described. Maybe Bannon?

Could be Gates - he was still on the campaign after Manafort left IIRC..

pixelburp

And therein lies the great Theatre of American politics in two Acts: FBI guns & a dozen officers to arrest a entitled, wealthy 66 year old, no doubt staged for the full benefit of the cameras; meanwhile substantive changes to actual functioning of the country's legal system gets changed on a whim - yet barely registers a whimper thanks to the smoke & mirrors of Trumps inanity. It won't even figure in the conversation, especially those who'd shout loudest about Trumps credentials and 'successes'.

prawnsambo wrote: »

And here it is in all its glory. Stone being arrested.[/URL]

It would be full on brown trousers to see all those guys at your front door.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-domestic-abuse-sexual-assault-definition-womens-rights-justice-department-a8744546.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1548350752

It is a pity that the above is only a distraction manoeuvre and it's sinking without a trace, but almost unnoticed Trump has thrown women's rights in the US back into the 1950's.
Only physical harm now counts as abuse, emotional abuse is no longer a concern in domestic abuse.
This is beyond despicable.

everlast75

prawnsambo wrote: »

And here it is in all its glory. Stone being arrested.

It would be full on brown trousers to see all those guys at your front door.

Stone is credited with coming up with the "Build the Wall" narrative.

The FBI aren't being paid because of Trump's promise that Mexico would build that wall.

Nice bit of karma there...

Leroy42

everlast75 wrote: »

Stone is credited with coming up with the "Build the Wall" narrative.

The FBI aren't being paid because of Trump's promise that Mexico would build that wall.

Nice bit of karma there...

And probably why CNN got given the details of the raid when it was so secret

everlast75

I just realised these two actually appear in Court today!

DrumSteve

everlast75 wrote: »

Stone is credited with coming up with the "Build the Wall" narrative.

The FBI aren't being paid because of Trump's promise that Mexico would build that wall.

Nice bit of karma there...

So they arrested Stone as a freebie...?

aloyisious

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/1088767653441929221?s=19

https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/1088767922695258117?s=19


Oh....

Julian Assange? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947fP6QTmBo

rosser44

From the indictment:

After the July 22, 2016 release of stolen DNC emails by Organization 1, a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign.

The list of people who can direct a senior campaign advisor is small, the net is definitely closing in.

Don Jr next please!!

demfad

SimonTemplar wrote: »

I wonder is Trump going to tweet something outrageous but unrelated to Mueller soon in an attempt to distract from the Roger Stone story.

Venezuala, yesterday?

aloyisious

Just bringing in another world affair the Admin is getting involved in, Venezuela, I have suspicions that Don is angling to wrap the flag around himself with a foreign war all for distraction.

Penn

rosser44 wrote: »

From the indictment:



The list of people who can direct a senior campaign advisor is small, the net is definitely closing in.

Don Jr next please!!

CNBC has the Senior Trump Campaign Official as Bannon
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/us-special-counsels-office-trump-ally-roger-stone-arrested-in-florida.html

If so, surely the only ones above him would have been the Trumps themselves?

FreudianSlippers

seamus wrote: »

If Stone goes for a plea deal, a lot of people are in trouble.

He's basically the link between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Spoiler: He's an old, wealthy white man. He'll go for the plea deal, he's not cut out for wearing an orange jumpsuit.

Roger Stone will lie though. Could be very interesting to see if he pulls a Manafort!

circadian

Is stone stupid enough to lie? Desperate enough probably, wonder how rational he's looking at this.