Garda shoots dog in Longford

tabby aspreme

seamus wrote: »

Arguably even a taser may not be appropriate.



So in this case, for example, Garda pulls taser, woman doesn't drop the slash hook, so he tases her. She goes down, husband and dog lose the plot and make a lunge at the Garda who now has two attackers to try and stun./quote]

With a taser that has not recharged, and is not ready to use , meanwhile man with recovered slash hook, and dog are taking lumps out of him

Effects

tuxy wrote: »

You think not? What if we showed evidence of the same travellers who are on the dole walking in to a car dealership with €50k in cash?

Where's that evidence? I don't believe you have any evidence of that.

tuxy

Effects wrote: »

Where's that evidence? I don't believe you have any evidence of that.

No evidence of travellers on the dole driving new 4x4 vehicles?
I'll go around town tomorrow and capture some video for you.

Nekarsulm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What would you deem as appropriate equipment to deal with a traveller armed with a slash hook and a guard dog? A bigger slash hook and doggie treats?

Another Guard, preferably with an 8 shot semi-auto shotgun.
Loaded with alternate rounds of 0 buckshot and "8 ball".

Nekarsulm

Effects wrote: »

Where's that evidence? I don't believe you have any evidence of that.

Ask any Toyota or Ford dealer!

I worked as an Auctioneer and letting agent, and the quality motors young lads were driving around in, while still qualifying for RAS scheme etc would amaze you.
Some Social Welfare officers would demand to see log book, insurance etc, but that is easy got around.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

In the video she clearly references Tom having a firearm. It’s sheer lack of respect and having no concept of there ever being consequences for their actions that lead to him being shot. She says that she’s pregnant and there’s reference to a 4 year old at the scene too (his sister posted it), and somehow that’s the fault of the Gardai? A normal rational person would retreat at the sight of an armed guard. What happened is just consequences of their own actions. A lot more of them should be shot. Might go a way in sorting out the criminal behavior.

It’s official, Boss. There was no dog. https://www.thesun.ie/news/3476127/family-man-wounded-armed-garda-longford-no-dog/

aaakev

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s official, Boss. There was no dog. https://www.thesun.ie/news/3476127/family-man-wounded-armed-garda-longford-no-dog/

Ah ****, sonny said it didn't happen so it definitely, probably, didnt happen even though he wasn't there to see it happen when it happened. I think i get it now......

SirChenjin

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s official, Boss. There was no dog. https://www.thesun.ie/news/3476127/family-man-wounded-armed-garda-longford-no-dog/

“A big-name solicitor in the UK has already been on to him about it and wants to take the case"

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths

Deleted User wrote:

It’s official, Boss. There was no dog.

You believe that? Can I interest you in a close associate of mine, he is a Nigerian prince with an interesting financial purposal. Very beneficial to you I may add .

emptyhouse2222

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Ask any Toyota or Ford dealer!

I worked as an Auctioneer and letting agent, and the quality motors young lads were driving around in, while still qualifying for RAS scheme etc would amaze you.
Some Social Welfare officers would demand to see log book, insurance etc, but that is easy got around.

It.s crass how that guard put everything on the line to intervene there.
Work for no praise.profit or thanks
And risk a feud with our cultured friends over a **** transit pickup

emptyhouse2222

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s official, Boss. There was no dog. https://www.thesun.ie/news/3476127/family-man-wounded-armed-garda-longford-no-dog/

I aint clickin on that sh1t

Get Real

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s official, Boss. There was no dog. https://www.thesun.ie/news/3476127/family-man-wounded-armed-garda-longford-no-dog/

Love it! This lad straight into the papers. Talking up all the "trauma".

"There was no need for this. We didn’t call them (gardai) anyway and don’t know why he (armed detective) was there.”

Yeah, the man in the van who was being attacked called the guards. And members of your family were armed with slash hooks and an aggressive dog.

I do admire Sonny's innocent confusion over it all though.

gozunda

SirChenjin wrote: »

“A big-name solicitor in the UK has already been on to him about it and wants to take the case"

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well 'de big name UK solicitor' will be feck all use to the same boyo's here - as Longford hasn't been in British jurisdiction for quite a number of years afaik ...

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

No need for it boss sure it was only a slash hook

Ten of Swords

Has the guy in the truck spoken to any news outlets? He would have seen exactly what happened.

nc6000

Two more travellers on the news just there. An elderly man had a heart attack when he returned home and found they had broken into his house. They left him to die and ignored cries for help from his sister and ran off after he collapsed.

The Gardai should shoot more.

emptyhouse2222

Get Real wrote: »

Love it! This lad straight into the papers. Talking up all the "trauma".

"There was no need for this. We didn’t call them (gardai) anyway and don’t know why he (armed detective) was there.”

Yeah, the man in the van who was being attacked called the guards. And members of your family were armed with slash hooks and an aggressive dog.

I do admire Sonny's innocent confusion over it all though.

Stall it sham your only spoofin

tuxy

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Has the guy in the truck spoken to any news outlets? He would have seen exactly what happened.

He has not, he has probably just given a statement to the Gardi.
He will be keeping a low profile encase the Stokes have any cousins in Cork.

Wheres Me Jumper?

BattleCorp wrote: »

The moral of the story.

Don't give your vehicle to travellers to repair.

tbh why anybody would engage the services of a traveller in relation to any form of LEGITIMATE business is beyond me.

i wouldn't employ one of them to clean up after my cat had the trots.

SirChenjin

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

tbh why anybody would engage the services of a traveller in relation to any form of LEGITIMATE business is beyond me.

i wouldn't employ one of them to clean up after my cat had the trots.

I had the same thought, tbh.

no.8

Get Real wrote:

I do admire Sonny's innocent confusion over it all though.

They seem to suffer from that terribly, typically right at the crunch moment. Tragic. Selective amnesia or a genetic trait known as 'wasn't me boss-itis'

emptyhouse2222

nc6000 wrote: »

Two more travellers on the news just there. An elderly man had a heart attack when he returned home and found they had broken into his house. They left him to die and ignored cries for help from his sister and ran off after he collapsed.

The Gardai should shoot more of these knackers.

According to rte traveller gang equals natural causes

Wheres Me Jumper?

SirChenjin wrote: »

I had the same thought, tbh.

the more i learn about this story, the more i suspect all is not quite as it's being portrayed and there is more to it than we think.
i mean what kind of gobdah would even imagine these parasites would even want to do an honest days' work???

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You believe that? Can I interest you in a close associate of mine, he is a Nigerian prince with an interesting financial purposal. Very beneficial to you I may add .

Please. I’d love to hear from him.

Plumbthedepths

Deleted User wrote:

Please. I’d love to hear from him.

I just need your bank account details first to know you are genuine........

smurgen

seamus wrote: »

I remember seeing an episode of Cops years ago where they attended the scene after a drive-by shooting. One guy had been shot, but he was walking around not a bother on him, massive fat bastard. The cops asked where he'd been shot and if he was hurt. He pointed to a small hole in his substantial thigh and said, "Naw man, it was only a 9mm, barely even stings".

So that's my knowledge of guns in a nutshell. I assumed 9mm wouldn't have the energy to go in and out of a skull, happy to be corrected.

A 9mm could go through concrete blocks and still have enough energy to kill.

2011

smurgen wrote: »

A 9mm could go through concrete blocks and still have enough energy to kill.

That is b0ll0cks.

I have shot plenty of them, they will not go through a concrete black at any range.

Odelay

smurgen wrote: »

A 9mm could go through concrete blocks and still have enough energy to kill.

Lol, it would in its hole! Would only do that if you bored a hole in the block and then fired the gun through it!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NffizBy0Q6Y

Signore Fancy Pants

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I believe you are confusing the rules of engagement of the army with the police.

I believe you are confusing 'degrees of force' with 'rules of engagement'.

I'd find it hard to believe that with close quarters and armed with a handgun that AGS Detectives are not advised to 'aim low and at the legs'.

Regardless, if a chest shot had been used in this current scenario, we would be having a different conversation.

Melodeon

2011 wrote: »

That is b0ll0cks.

I have shot plenty of them, they will not go through a concrete black at any range.

Odelay wrote: »

Lol, it would in its hole! Would only do that if you bored a hole in the block and then fired the gun through it!

.375 H&H Mag is a 9mm, near as dammit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8goJF3gR58

mynamejeff

Señor Santa Pants wrote: »

I believe you are confusing 'degrees of force' with 'rules of engagement'.

I'd find it hard to believe that with close quarters and armed with a handgun that AGS Detectives are not advised to 'aim low and at the legs'.

Regardless, if a chest shot had been used in this current scenario, we would be having a different conversation.

Training for almost all persons who carry firearms dictate that you shoot for center mass of the target as you are most likely to hit your target and stop the threat.

Winging the suspect or shooting guns out of hands is pure Hollywood crap same as aiming for the legs

2011

Melodeon wrote: »

.375 H&H Mag is a 9mm, near as dammit!

Nope

.357 magnum energy = 790 J (typical)

9 x 19mm energy = 481 J (typical)

:D

Plumbthedepths

Folks the detective was not aiming at Stokes when he fired, Toby the dag was his target.

Nekarsulm

Melodeon wrote: »

.375 H&H Mag is a 9mm, near as dammit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8goJF3gR58

Highly unlikely the Gardai will ever be issued with a 375 H&H magnun handgun :rolleyes:

Let alone a semi auto one!
( unless there are moose roaming around Co. Longford)

Feisar

Can people that don't know what they are talking about regarding what X calibre will or won't do please not pass comment?

Signore Fancy Pants

mynamejeff wrote: »

Training for almost all persons who carry firearms dictate that you shoot for center mass of the target as you are most likely to hit your target and stop the threat.

Winging the suspect or shooting guns out of hands is pure Hollywood crap same as aiming for the legs

Well, no its not "Hollywood crap" at all.

In this situation, i.e. close quarters, it was approprate to fire a shot low and at the legs.

The AGS member was under threat, albeit a limited threat. He was engaging an unarmed civilian. If trained to shoot centre mass in this scenario as described, thats murder.

The situation was clearly not grave enough to warrant a direct targeted centre mass shot. However, low and at the legs was appropriate course of action.

It must be taken into consideration that the impact may have been a ricochet, suggesting that the shot may have been a warning shot. TBC obviously.

Melodeon

2011 wrote: »

Nope

.357 magnum energy = 790 J (typical)

9 x 19mm energy = 481 J (typical)

:D

Ah, but I was thinking of this:
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum energy = 5,880 J (typical)

Possibly marginal for the larger heffalump, but should do a dandy job on the common feral Hiace.

Nekarsulm

Melodeon wrote: »

Ah, but I was thinking of this:
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum energy = 5,880 J (typical)

Possibly marginal for the larger heffalump, but should do a dandy job on the common feral Hiace.

A 375 h&h cartridge is almost as long as the barrel on a Garda P226!

Feisar

Señor Santa Pants wrote: »

Well, no its not "Hollywood crap" at all.

In this situation, i.e. close quarters, it was approprate to fire a shot low and at the legs.

The AGS member was under threat, albeit a limited threat. He was engaging an unarmed civilian. If trained to shoot centre mass in this scenario as described, thats murder.

The situation was clearly not grave enough to warrant a direct targeted centre mass shot. However, low and at the legs was appropriate course of action.

It must be taken into consideration that the impact may have been a ricochet, suggesting that the shot may have been a warning shot. TBC obviously.

Now, if the femoral artery had been nicked would that have been murder or death due to misadventure.

STB.

seamus wrote: »

Standard equipment for the role he has tbh.

For detectives yeah. Detective Inspector in this case.

I gather from news reports that a slash hook was removed from a woman prior to the video that is circulating.

When you have headbangers with security dogs and slash hooks, you can see that that you are dealing with people that have no respect for the police.

And now the inspector has received his very own GIM according to newspaper reports!

You'd be forgiven for wondering who is in charge ?

Ultimanemo

The Garda response was very appropriate, credit to him he didn't panic and shot the attacker in the head

Signore Fancy Pants

Feisar wrote: »

Now, if the femoral artery had been nicked would that have been murder or death due to misadventure.

Without being a legal eagle, if you have applied the lowest degree of force appropriate to the situation, it is highly likely that an accidental death would not go against you.

Your actions would have been reasonable, measured and justified.

cameramonkey

Have fired a few 9mms rounds using BAPs and Glocks.

A 9mm fired from anything under 50 meters is lethal if it hits you in the wrong area. Beyond 50 meters it could also be fatal. It was chosen by the military and police because of its power.

Ultimanemo

Feisar wrote: »

Now, if the femoral artery had been nicked would that have been murder or death due to misadventure.

The femoral artery is not in the leg, it is in the thigh, any bleeding below the knee can be easily stopped with a tourniquet

cameramonkey

Anybody know why the guard was on his own? Why was he there in the first pace, was it the result of a call to the emergency services? Why has he no back up?

It all seems a bit strange.

Plumbthedepths

cameramonkey wrote:

Anybody know why the guard was on his own? Why was he there in the first pace, was it the result of a call to the emergency services? Why has he no back up?

Lack of resources, nothing new there.

cameramonkey

STB. wrote: »

For detectives yeah. Detective Inspector in this case.

I gather from news reports that a slash hook was removed from a woman prior to the video that is circulating.

When you have headbangers with security dogs and slash hooks, you can see that that you are dealing with people that have no respect for the police.

And now the inspector has received his very own GIM according to newspaper reports!

You'd be forgiven for wondering who is in charge ?

Who took the slash hook from her?

cameramonkey

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Lack of resources, nothing new there.

Is that from first hand knowledge or are you guessing?

seamus

I'd say the Gardai are delighted about the blabbing to the press.

As we saw with the Margaret Cash fiasco, the more these kinds of idiots are allowed to flap their gums, the more proveable lies they come out with that you can use to discredit them later on.