Garda shoots dog in Longford

tuxy

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

A dog or a child are innocents.

You have to be wary of what else is around you when you are armed.

A bullet can hit its target ONLY. Otherwise its murder or animal abuse.

How does that explain the lack of GSOC report on this case?

runawaybishop

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

A bullet can hit its target ONLY. Otherwise its murder or animal abuse.

Not really, it would have to kill them and even then it would be manslaughter. Shooting a dog that is attacking you isn't animal abuse. Setting a dog on an armed Garda is pretty abusive though with pretty much one outcome.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

A dog or a child are innocents.

A dog is not an innocent when being used as a weapon.

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

A bullet can hit its target ONLY. Otherwise its murder or animal abuse.

A bullet can ricochet and an unintended consequence happen as was the case here.

tuxy

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A bullet can ricochet and an unintended consequence happen as was the case here.

I believe this is true however you have to take into account that some people present including the person shot in the foot said there was no dog. No body of a dog was recovered.

Plumbthedepths

tuxy wrote:

I believe this is true however you have to take into account that some people present including the person shot in the foot said there was no dog. No body of a dog was recovered.

If the person (and his wife ) who was hit by the ricochet in the foot told me tomorrow was Wednesday I would consult a calendar. I watched the video there was a dog, blood from an animal was also found on the road.

pgj2015

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The garda have no idea how to use guns you will find if you read the newspapers. Terrible shots.

If only you were on hand to show them how to shoot correctly.:rolleyes:

Edgware

tuxy wrote: »

Did I miss the update or are GSOC taking their time with this investigation?

I'm sure it is top of their "to do" list

Edgware

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The garda have no idea how to use guns you will find if you read the newspapers. Terrible shots.

And you are the expert on the use of water pistols

tuxy

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If the person (and his wife ) who was hit by the ricochet in the foot told me tomorrow was Wednesday I would consult a calendar. I watched the video there was a dog, blood from an animal was also found on the road.

I agree but isn't there usually an investigation after a weapon has been discharged? I don't really know about Garda protocol in such a situation so I could be wrong.

Phileas Frog

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The garda have no idea how to use guns you will find if you read the newspapers. Terrible shots.

Do Gardai shoot newspapers now, or is their aim off?

Plumbthedepths

tuxy wrote:

I agree but isn't there usually an investigation after a weapon has been discharged? I don't really know about Garda protocol in such a situation so I could be wrong.

There is, the results are released when all avenues have been examined. Even when a guard draws his asp ( baton) a report has to be wrote as the reasons for doing so.

Edgware

tuxy wrote: »

I agree but isn't there usually an investigation after a weapon has been discharged? I don't really know about Garda protocol in such a situation so I could be wrong.

Why not give Drew Harris a call? I'm sure he will apologise for not keeping you briefed

tuxy

Edgware wrote: »

Why not give Drew Harris a call? I'm sure he will apologise for not keeping you briefed

It was GSOC that were reportedly investigating it so Drew wouldn't be the man to contact.

Edgware

tuxy wrote: »

It was GSOC that were reportedly investigating it so Drew wouldn't be the man to contact.

Give them a shout in the morning to see how things are going so. No point asking us poor ignoramuses

tuxy

Edgware wrote: »

Give them a shout in the morning to see how things are going so. No point asking us poor ignoramuses

I only asked if there had been an update in the media especially since this was originally reported by many media outlets. I don't follow everything in the news so I may have missed it and another poster could fill me in if I did.

hawkelady

tuxy wrote: »

I believe this is true however you have to take into account that some people present including the person shot in the foot said there was no dog. No body of a dog was recovered.

Are you really going to believe them ??? Those folk that set that dog on the guard couldn’t lie straight in bed !!! He shot the dog as it was chomping on his tie ... end of.

ToddyDoody

Was the dog armed? Or was it self defence? I've seen guard dogs that would put you in hospital fairly quickly.

tuxy

hawkelady wrote: »

Are you really going to believe them ??? Those folk that set that dog on the guard couldn’t lie straight in bed !!! He shot the dog as it was chomping on his tie ... end of.

You know the answer to that if you read any of my other posts on this.
My interest is now on the GSOC investigation on the incident.

hawkelady

tuxy wrote: »

You know the answer to that if you read any of my other posts on this.
My interest is now on the GSOC investigation on the incident.

Fair enough so ,,,, I’m sure the report will come out in time , as it’s not of major importance cause I’m sure it wouldn’t even make the papers or news , so no real rush. The report will say the detective acted well within his parameters of his work and no further action will be required .

branie2

Terrible

Roger Hassenforder

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A dog is not an innocent when being used as a weapon.

A bullet can ricochet and an unintended consequence happen as was the case here.

What if a child was being used as a weapon?

Holding it by the ankles, and swinging it menacingly...

ohnonotgmail

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

What if a child was being used as a weapon?

Holding it by the ankles, and swinging it menacingly...

if they were swinging a hammer would you shoot at the hammer or the person holding the hammer?

Glass fused light

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Was the dog armed? Or was it self defence? I've seen guard dogs that would put you in hospital fairly quickly.

Charlie did not bite a finger he shot him!!

In the US at least 1 hunter a year is shot by a turkey.

Joe Don Dante

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HES MY DOG NOW!!!

hatrickpatrick

tuxy wrote: »

Did I miss the update or are GSOC taking their time with this investigation?

It takes GSOC a lot longer than you might think to publish these reports, primarily because even after the investigation has been completed, there's a whole process they go through with the parties involved, and, if they believe wrongdoing to have occurred, with Garda management and potentially the DPP in the case of alleged crimes by members of the force. They usually also furnish their report to the Justice Committee of the Oireachtas, and only after all these steps have been taken do they publish it for general consumption.

The reason for this is two-fold, I imagine: Firstly, because they'll want to include in their final report what the outcome was in terms of Gardaí being disciplined, prosecuted, and if the latter, convicted or acquitted. Secondly, if there are indeed criminal charges pending, their report will almost certainly form part of the evidence the DPP uses in the case, and they would therefore not publish it for general consumption until after the case was concluded, to avoid compromising the trial.

This incident happened last December, which isn't all that long ago when you think about how slowly disciplinary procedures tend to go in any organisation, and particularly if any matters arose for the DPP to consider for potential prosecution. There have been cases investigated by GSOC (granted, more complicated cases than this one but even so) which didn't have reports published until years after the investigation was opened. This is usually compounded if there's any obstruction of GSOC's investigation by the Gardaí, although this has only been reported to have happened in the most high profile and controversial cases.

Probably worth throwing them an email to see if they have any comment to make about the progress of the investigation, but I'd bet almost anything they'll reply with "the matter is still under active investigation / the matter is currently being considered by the DPP / the matter is currently before the courts, and therefore we cannot comment until the conclusion of these procedures". When it's finished, they'll report.

Roger Hassenforder

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if they were swinging a hammer would you shoot at the hammer or the person holding the hammer?

You're right of course, it was foolish of me to suggest swinging a child by the ankles as a weapon.

Glass fused light

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

You're right of course, it was foolish of me to suggest swinging a child by the ankles as a weapon.

Too true you loose the advantage of the child's ability to aim low, you know that there is a reason we call them ankle biters.