Garda shoots dog in Longford

tuxy

As interesting as it is is there any chance of posting on a different thread about bears?

ohnonotgmail

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I read somewhere that there are no recorded incidences ever, of a person successfully defending themselves from a grizzly bear with a handgun.

not true at all. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/06/dean-weingarten/wyoming-another-successful-handgun-defense-against-a-grizzly-bear/


Firearms are not as successful as bear spray though (bear spray NOT pepper spray).

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

what would he have done had he not had the gun?

Get bitten by the dog or strangled by his tie. It'd just be another garda assaulted case in the local papers and no one would notice.

Plumbthedepths

tuxy wrote:

As interesting as it is is there any chance of posting on a different thread about bears?

Just bear with us for a few more minutes...

wotswattage

Guess he learned not to bring a slash hook and dog to a gun fight.

*RIP the poor dog

UrbanFret

Probably put the poor dog out of its misery.

Dyr

Feisar wrote: »

Ah, and that old chestnut, "high powered". High powered in compaired to what? High powered isn't a classification.

High powered compared to a tinkers dog perhaps?

fabvinny

tuxy wrote: »

Casey fencing? You just have to check if it's a registered business or a fake company name on the van.

based in co cork.....

fabvinny

IRE60 wrote: »

No - the van was being removed from the bearded gentleman as he hadn't paid for repairs on the van - that's my understanding

i know the guy in the van,he went up there from cork to buy an engine.deal went tits up for some reason and he called the guards.

Crispycool

He was well within his rights to shoot the people who were pulling him by his clothes and shouting "get him to the grubber" (get him to the ground), trying to disarm him

1874

fabvinny wrote: »

i know the guy in the van,he went up there from cork to buy an engine.deal went tits up for some reason and he called the guards.

That was his main mistake, never have dealings with travellers, in my experience they will try renegotiate the deal or do a really poor job, one that will likely have to be redone at greater cost as the bad work will have to be undone. That may be a possibility with any work done, but its a very high possibility, an almost absolute certainty with travellers. Its unfortunate but true, I belive there is a good paving bunch of guys around Dublin who are travellers, Ive heard good things, but Id be so concerned about all the problems I hear about travellers generally, which is a lot, Id be reluctant to deal with them. Had dealings with other travellers and never again.
That howling banshee, she made me want to put a slap across her trap.
Hugely dissapointed with the Gardai turning up heavy handed in balaclavas to deal with protestors for a real issue (housing) they need to do so and armed, both non lethal and also lethal weapons and come down heavy on the crooks in the traveller community.


That guy should have steered clear of the travellers for one, or anyone where theres any suspicion of items being sourced illegally, ie dont buy stolen or even potentially stolen goods.

Graniteville

archer22 wrote: »

So what really happened here?

So far the story seems to go as follows.
Guy brings van to travellers to get it repaired
Guy does not want to pay for the repairs.
Guy gets Garda friend to help him recover van.
Garda friend gets into altercation and kills a Dog and wounds Dogs owner.

If thats the correct version then its bizarre ...to put it mildly!!

Or the REAL story...

Gardai smash traveller chop shop and take conficate over €1/2 million of car and van parts stolen from Ireland and the UK.

In follow up operations they stop and try and arrest this scumbag who is both a well know traveller criminal with several conviction for violence, robbery and other offences and wanted for questioning in relation to the raid last week.

Rather than accept he has been caught (yet again) the scumbag uses his dog to intimidate and effectively threaten the garda. Garda unfortunately shoot the wrong object and the dog is dad instead of the scumbag


And pavee point's comment on this and last week's incident?

- Yep, NADA!

blade1

Gravelly wrote: »

Are these the same travellers that tried bombing a Garda's house recently?

They must be as there is only a couple of them giving the rest a bad name.
They've covered some ground over the years.

arybvtcw0eolkf

FTA69 wrote: »

A scuffle can’t be reason to shoot someone.

It can, if...

A soldier or guard can shoot someone to prevent themselves from being forcibly disarmed, or in defense of your own life or the life of a comrade.

Its unclear what happened before the confrontation so we don't know whey the guard has her weapon drawn so we don't know whether his actions or those of the injured could have been prevented.

He has legal use of force on his side once his actions are within legal requirements (ie self defense) and not punitive.

As we don't know what happened before the recording started its impossible to know if minimum use of force was used first and failed. He appears to be alone so weight of numbers wasn't an option [for example].

In the guards position I think I'd have shot the dog too.

Don't know why we don't see a dead dog in the video, maybe it ran off injured then dropped dead. German Shepards are big strong dogs, with a low velocity small caliper weapon you'd probably need a head shot to drop the dog where it stands.

Fann Linn

Gofundme set up now for anyone who wants to contribute to Fido's funeral.

fabvinny

1874 wrote: »

That was his main mistake, never have dealings with travellers, in my experience they will try renegotiate the deal or do a really poor job, one that will likely have to be redone at greater cost as the bad work will have to be undone. That may be a possibility with any work done, but its a very high possibility, an almost absolute certainty with travellers. Its unfortunate but true, I belive there is a good paving bunch of guys around Dublin who are travellers, Ive heard good things, but Id be so concerned about all the problems I hear about travellers generally, which is a lot, Id be reluctant to deal with them. Had dealings with other travellers and never again.
That howling banshee, she made me want to put a slap across her trap.
Hugely dissapointed with the Gardai turning up heavy handed in balaclavas to deal with protestors for a real issue (housing) they need to do so and armed, both non lethal and also lethal weapons and come down heavy on the crooks in the traveller commu

That guy should have steered clear of the travellers for one, or anyone where theres any suspicion of items being sourced illegally, ie dont buy stolen or even potentially stolen goods.

agreed,and to be fair,the guy in the van is no angel either.....

1874

fabvinny wrote: »

agreed,and to be fair,the guy in the van is no angel either.....

Well, you think hed have got out and helped instead of sitting on his hole hiding in the van the coward

tuxy

All mainstream news sources confirming that one shot was fired, the same shot that killed the dog hit the man in the leg/foot.

RobbieMD

Effects wrote: »

Really, why not? I know people that use it against grizzly bears.

I honestly dont know why but in training it’s specifically told that’s its ineffective against dogs.
Maybe bear spray has a higher amount of capsaicinoids?

Effects

RobbieMD wrote: »

I honestly dont know why but in training it’s specifically told that’s its ineffective against dogs.

I've been subject to the effects of a mild dose of pepper spray. It wasn't nice. I presumed it would have a similar effect on the breathing and vision of a dog.

mynamejeff

expectationlost wrote: »

what would he have done had he not had the gun?

been assaulted with unknown injuries and the theft of his official firearm

do people think thats uncommon ? happens on a daily basis

not in rural areas miles from any support or back up

https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations-unit/2018/0906/991972-waterford-is-the-most-dangerous-county-for-gardai/

crusier

If they had fed the dog the bullet wouldn't have made it through to his foot!

tuxy

crusier wrote: »

If they had fed the dog the bullet wouldn't have made it through to his foot!

A bullet can go through soft tissue. Explains why it was very minor damage to his foot, most the power had been taken out of the bullet.

Discodog

The Guard did not have control. He was extremely unprofessional, failed to see the risks & should of pulled back & asked for backup. Very worrying that such a poorly trained Guard is holding a firearm.

Fann Linn

Discodog wrote: »

The Guard did not have control. He was extremely unprofessional, failed to see the risks & should of pulled back & asked for backup. Very worrying that such a poorly trained Guard is holding a firearm.

And all of that from a couple of minutes of youtube.
No one apart from those involved or witness to same knows what went on from start to finish.

Will I Am Not

Discodog wrote: »

The Guard did not have control. He was extremely unprofessional, failed to see the risks & should of pulled back & asked for backup. Very worrying that such a poorly trained Guard is holding a firearm.

And what happens the man in the van while the Garda holds back?

Discodog

Will I Am Not wrote: »

And what happens the man in the van while the Garda holds back?

What do you mean ?

Captain Obvious

Discodog wrote: »

What do you mean ?

Well the man with the dog was physically assaulting the man in the van.

mynamejeff

Discodog wrote: »

The Guard did not have control. He was extremely unprofessional, failed to see the risks & should of pulled back & asked for backup. Very worrying that such a poorly trained Guard is holding a firearm.

different thread same agenda

Discodog

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Well the man with the dog was physically assaulting the man in the van.

The Garda should of secured his weapon before intervening.

upandcumming

Discodog wrote: »

What do you mean ?

He means what happens to the lad in the van when the guard is back at his car chatting on the phone?
The van driver gets beat asunder and the guard there chatting the boys on the phone?

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

The Garda should of secured his weapon before intervening.

How?

And then get the sh*t beaten out of him?

LOL

Discodog

mynamejeff wrote: »

different thread same agenda

What agenda ? Someone was shot & could of been killed. The Guard could of been disarmed & the weapon used by someone else. You never see armed Police getting close in those situations.

Odelay

Discodog wrote: »

What agenda ? Someone was shot & could of been killed. The Guard could of been disarmed & the weapon used by someone else. You never see armed Police getting close in those situations.

You don’t think the scrote had some responsibility in this? Perhaps if he wasn’t being an arsehole this wouldn’t have happened? Someone could have died because of his actions.

mynamejeff

Discodog wrote: »

What agenda ? Someone was shot & could of been killed. The Guard could of been disarmed & the weapon used by someone else. You never see armed Police getting close in those situations.

you have no idea what you are talking about disco dog. but are happy to take a pop at a garda at any possible opportunity.


like i said

different thread same agenda

upandcumming

Discodog wrote: »

What agenda ? Someone was shot & could of been killed. The Guard could of been disarmed & the weapon used by someone else. You never see armed Police getting close in those situations.

Are you making the decision to forget that when the Garda arrived on the scene the lad had a slashhook out? He was after coming from a funeral of course...

tuxy

Discodog wrote: »

The Guard did not have control. He was extremely unprofessional, failed to see the risks & should of pulled back & asked for backup. Very worrying that such a poorly trained Guard is holding a firearm.

I do agree it does look unprofessional. However he would not have time to wait for backup if he felt the man in the van was in imminent danger.

Infini

Honestly when it comes down to it the Garda is 90% likely to be perfectly justified in firing his weapon expecially considering the kind of vermin theyre having to deal with. We need more serious laws and prisons for getting the worst of these locked up where they belong and away from terrorising innocent people.

jimmycrackcorm

Discodog wrote:

The Guard did not have control. He was extremely unprofessional, failed to see the risks & should of pulled back & asked for backup. Very worrying that such a poorly trained Guard is holding a firearm.

If the dog had been given your alias, he'd have danced out of the way of the bullet.

Discodog

Get Real wrote: »

First you say the guard should have stepped back and left the situation.

Then it's pointed out by a poster it doesn't make sense to abandon someone being assaulted in his van.

Then you reply by changing your approach and say "well he should have secured his weapon". Then if he was attacked by a dog he'd have had no weapon to use.

You're questioning a humans actions and the quick decisions to be made alone, the ith a camera in your face, during a situation that could escalate.

And yet you changed you're "should have done" twice and can't make your mind up on what should have been done from the comfort of an arm chair. The irony.

Well the usual Boards response will prevail here. The real question is whether GSOC do their job - I suspect that the new commissioner will be watching closely.

nim1bdeh38l2cw

Discodog wrote: »

The Guard did not have control. He was extremely unprofessional, failed to see the risks & should of pulled back & asked for backup. Very worrying that such a poorly trained Guard is holding a firearm.

What weapons training do you have?

UsBus

So the texts are going around now. Apparently the guard was trying to solve a dispute. A slash hook was produced which was taken off them. Then the dog was set on the guard. The video has been edited to remove the dog attacking the guard which is why he shot the dog.

If this is true, it should be widely published so everyone knows what they are up to. Rural Ireland should take a lesson from the French & get rioting for more Garda/stations. That would give Leo something to think about..

Signore Fancy Pants

When is Pavee Point organising the protest against Garda brutality?

:rolleyes:

Hammer89

Sympathies to whoever owned the dog before it was robbed.

Mookie Blaylock

Sergio Orange Balm wrote: »

What weapons training do you have?

5th Dan keyboard warrior

BBFAN

Reati wrote: »

Let's be honest, the Garda knew he was being video'd. He wouldn't have pulled the gun out and pulled the trigger for the craic. He clearly felt threatened.

Anyway, I was having a bad morning here int he Office but that video really cheered me up. Good on the Garda for his actions. Pity he shot for the foot. The women screaming didn't seem too scared of him given her ability to keep videoing and screaming "he shot me husband". Husband wasn't making too much noise for a man just shot either.

Jesus wept, it cheers you up to see a dog shot dead?

Plumbthedepths

upandcumming wrote:

He means what happens to the lad in the van when the guard is back at his car chatting on the phone? The van driver gets beat asunder and the guard there chatting the boys on the phone?

Then he'd be whinging that the guard was not doing his job at protecting the lad in the van. Heads he loses , tails he loses.....

Wombatman

Señor Santa Pants wrote: »

When is Pavee Point organising the protest against Garda brutality?

:rolleyes:

#knacklivesmatter

banie01

BBFAN wrote: »

Jesus wept, it cheers you up to see a dog shot dead?

I've yet to see an edit of the video that shows a dog, let alone a dead one?
I know it has been confirmed that a dog was killed and don't doubt it, but who has seen the video containing that?

The Garda would not have drawn a firearm without feeling threatened, and that he drew a gun rather than an asp should give an indication of the level of threat he felt was imminent.

boombang

tuxy wrote: »

All mainstream news sources confirming that one shot was fired, the same shot that killed the dog hit the man in the leg/foot.

I've only had a quick look around, I don't see the story reported on RTE or the independent. I often have a strong suspicion that the mainstream media is increasingly unwilling to report traveller transgressions.