Garda shoots dog in Longford

tuxy

banie01 wrote: »

The Garda would not have drawn a firearm without feeling threatened, and that he drew a gun rather than an asp should give an indication of the level of threat he felt was imminent.

Do detectives carry an ASP? I think they only carry a sig sauer 9mm.
The suits they wear does not leave much room to carry anything else comfortably. I'm open to correction though.

banie01

tuxy wrote: »

Do detectives carry an ASP? I think they only carry a sig sauer 9mm.
The suits they wear does not leave much room to carry anything else comfortably. I'm open to correction though.

In my experience they carry either an asp or pepper spray on the belt with the Sig, but never both.

Larbre34

I don't like any animal to be needlessly hurt, but I feel any animal is better off without an owner like that and I hope it was a clean shot and quick death.

I would say to the woman on the recording protesting loudly about the whole affair due to being heavily pregnant while the Garda doesn't touch her at all, that if she has concerns about an unborn baby that when a tense incident arises she should absent herself rather than get into the thick of it. I mean, surely no one would put their pregnant selves into the middle of a scuffle, fracas or even a set-to just to be able to video it and seek to gain an advantage by playing the victim?

Ash.J.Williams

Gardaí have the same duty of care to themselves and their families in their workplace as the rest of us. Shooting a dog sounds glib but if some scrote set a dog on you and you were armed, would you want to risk getting cut up and all that hassle or would you shoot the dog?

Captain Obvious

boombang wrote: »

I've only had a quick look around, I don't see the story reported on RTE or the independent. I often have a strong suspicion that the mainstream media is increasingly unwilling to report traveller transgressions.

It's reported in both and it was on the front page of RTE earlier.

Plumbthedepths

Larbre34 wrote:

I would say to the woman on the recording protesting loudly about the whole affair due to being heavily pregnant while the Garda doesn't touch her at all, that if she has concerns about an unborn baby that when a tense incident arises she should absent herself rather than get into the thick of it. I mean, surely no one would put their pregnant selves into the middle of a scuffle, fracas or even a set-to just to be able to video it and seek to gain an advantage by playing the victim?

She was so concerned for her husband after he got hit by a bullet fragment she kept recording......

sonofenoch

The Crowman wrote: »

Pretty hard to tell whats going on but it looks like the dog might have gone for the cop, you can see that something is pulling on his tie and he shoots downwards at whatever is in front of him. You can't actually see the dog at any point.

Was the dog dyslexic go for the thigh not the tie ffs

gooseygander

Discodog wrote: »

The Guard did not have control. He was extremely unprofessional, failed to see the risks & should of pulled back & asked for backup. Very worrying that such a poorly trained Guard is holding a firearm.

Pulled back my h-le, and left yer man in the van to be beaten by the husband, savaged by the dog, and if this thread is to be believed hacked with a slash hook by madame with the video. Some nonsense spoke here. For me that Garda done nothing wrong. Ffs they all knew he had drawn his gun and were too busy to ignore his requests to get it all on camera. Garda has no case to answer here me thinks

archer22

boombang wrote: »

I've only had a quick look around, I don't see the story reported on RTE or the independent. I often have a strong suspicion that the mainstream media is increasingly unwilling to report traveller transgressions.

Ironically these are the two that I have noticed that are also unwilling to report Garda transgressions.

BBFAN

expectationlost wrote: »

what would he have done had he not had the gun?

Not have gotten involved in something he shouldn't have.

Plumbthedepths

archer22 wrote:

Ironically these are the two that I have noticed that are also unwilling to report Garda transgressions.

Maybe have a look at the RTE news app and Independent .ie both have covered this.

Plumbthedepths

BBFAN wrote:

Not have gotten involved in something he shouldn't have.

So a guard is not supposed to get involved when a crime has been reported and he is on the scene? Sure why have guards at all?

BBFAN

Fann Linn wrote: »

And all of that from a couple of minutes of youtube.
No one apart from those involved or witness to same knows what went on from start to finish.

And yet it's definitely gospel that the traveller had a slash hook yeah? :rolleyes:

archer22

Like just about everyone else I don't know the full story, but that clip shown on TV3 tonight does not show that guard in a good light.
There seems to have no immediate threat from the Dog when he fired.
Looks more like he was simply annoyed by the Dog and lost his cool.

BBFAN

Graniteville wrote: »

Or the REAL story...

Gardai smash traveller chop shop and take conficate over €1/2 million of car and van parts stolen from Ireland and the UK.

In follow up operations they stop and try and arrest this scumbag who is both a well know traveller criminal with several conviction for violence, robbery and other offences and wanted for questioning in relation to the raid last week.

Rather than accept he has been caught (yet again) the scumbag uses his dog to intimidate and effectively threaten the garda. Garda unfortunately shoot the wrong object and the dog is dad instead of the scumbag


And pavee point's comment on this and last week's incident?

- Yep, NADA!

Where's your back up for this real story?

tuxy

archer22 wrote: »

Like just about everyone else I don't know the full story, but that clip shown on TV3 tonight does not show that guard in a good light.
There seems to have no immediate threat from the Dog when he fired.
Looks more like he was simply annoyed by the Dog and lost his cool.

So there is footage from a different angle that shows the dog.
Does anyone have a link?

Plumbthedepths

archer22 wrote:

Like just about everyone else I don't know the full story, but that clip shown on TV3 tonight does not show that guard in a good light. There seems to have no immediate threat from the Dog when he fired. Looks more like he was simply annoyed by the Dog and lost his cool.

Did TV3 show the unedited piece?

blanch152

From the video, we see something/somebody attempting to assault a Garda who is only preventing a crime being committed.

Garda fires shot.

Assault ceases.

Nobody dies.

Seems like the Garda has no case to answer.

tuxy

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Did TV3 show the unedited piece?

Must be or else a video from a different perspective.
I'm unable to find it online though.
I do wonder what had such a strong grip on his tie.

BBFAN

upandcumming wrote: »

Are you making the decision to forget that when the Garda arrived on the scene the lad had a slashhook out? He was after coming from a funeral of course...

Back up to that story?

archer22

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Did TV3 show the unedited piece?

They showed the piece when he fired...the Dog was so far away as not to be visible.

tuxy

archer22 wrote: »

They showed the piece when he fired...the Dog was so far away as not to be visible.

Can you confirm it wasn't the video that has already been posted here a few times and gives a better perspective on what happened?

yoke

Effects wrote: »

I've been subject to the effects of a mild dose of pepper spray. It wasn't nice. I presumed it would have a similar effect on the breathing and vision of a dog.

Humans have receptors which respond to the capsaicin in chilies, while dogs don’t.

It’s possible for a human to desensitize themselves to pepper spray a little

Plumbthedepths

archer22 wrote:

They showed the piece when he fired...the Dog was so far away as not to be visible.

So the edited piece from Mrs Speilberg.

BBFAN

banie01 wrote: »

I've yet to see an edit of the video that shows a dog, let alone a dead one?
I know it has been confirmed that a dog was killed and don't doubt it, but who has seen the video containing that?

The Garda would not have drawn a firearm without feeling threatened, and that he drew a gun rather than an asp should give an indication of the level of threat he felt was imminent.

It has reported on every single source of media that a dog was killed and yet you still don't believe it? Bias much?

BBFAN

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So a guard is not supposed to get involved when a crime has been reported and he is on the scene? Sure why have guards at all?

If a crime was reported to the Guards then 2 Gardaí in a police car would have been dispatched wouldn't you agree?

tuxy

BBFAN wrote: »

If a crime was reported to the Guards then 2 Gardaí in a police car would have been dispatched wouldn't you agree?

I'd agree unless it was reported that someone was in serious danger and the detective was near by. But yes a lone Garda arriving on scene is not standard practice.

archer22

tuxy wrote: »

Can you confirm it wasn't the video that has already been posted here a few times and gives a better perspective on what happened?

The TV3 clip showed clearly the moment he fired...I do not see that on clip shown on page one here.

Plumbthedepths

BBFAN wrote:

If a crime was reported to the Guards then 2 Gardaí in a police car would have been dispatched wouldn't you agree?

I wouldn't as at the time neither I or you know what resources were available.

Captain Obvious

archer22 wrote: »

The TV3 clip showed clearly the moment he fired...I do not see that on clip shown on page one here.

I just watched the tv3 news clip it was just a segment of the video posted on this thread.

tuxy

archer22 wrote: »

The TV3 clip showed clearly the moment he fired...I do not see that on clip shown on page one here.

So they cut the clip further to make it look even worse for the garda
The full clip shows signs that there is a dog very close to the detective. That traveller is reaching down and holding something low to the ground. When the tie is grabbed the garda says "get him to let go of me" as he aims at whatever is the thing that's been held low down.

BBFAN

Almost everyone on here has stated that you can't hear or see the dog on the video yet at the same time later saying the dog must have been savaging the Gardaí for him to shoot. Now which one is it? Seriously? Nail your hammer to the mast.

Facts are that 1. A dog is dead 2. 1 shot was fired.

So either the dog was a dumb dog who was savaging the Garda without a sound or he shot the dog out of spite because he knew he'd get in serious **** for shooting a person?

Whatever the case maybe, from the very beginning he looks like an absolute loolaa. He's not there in an official capacity. He's simply trying to act the big man to help his mate and it quite literally backfired on him.

I've no sympathy for anyone in this scenario except the dog. The travellers were obviously acting the dick, the person who had gone to get their car repaired from travellers was an idiot to deal with them and the Garda was a macho gob****e trying to act it to impress his mate.

thecomedian

Just imagine grabbing an armed police in a different country.

They would be lucky to be alive after it!

archer22

tuxy wrote: »

So they cut the clip further to make it look even worse for the garda
The full clip shows signs that there is a dog very close to the detective. That traveller is reaching down and holding something low to the ground. When the tie is grabbed the garda says "get him to let go of me" as he aims at whatever is the thing that's been held low down.

There does not seem to be any immediate threat when he fired..the Dog was so far away from him as to be out of frame.

Plumbthedepths

BBFAN wrote:

He's not there in an official capacity. He's simply trying to act the big man to help his mate and it quite literally backfired on him.

How did you arrive at this nugget?

BBFAN

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I wouldn't as at the time neither I or you know what resources were available.

Okay, so you clearly don't know that there are procedures in place for when someone places a call to 999?

tuxy

archer22 wrote: »

There does not seem to be any immediate threat when he fired..the Dog was so far away from him as to be out of frame.

You need to watch the video on the first page, almost the entire frame is taken up by the garda's body at the time of the shot.

Plumbthedepths

archer22 wrote:

There does not seem to be any immediate threat when he fired..the Dog was so far away from him as to be out of frame.

Couldn't be that far away if he asked the Traveller to get him to let go....... Btw you can hear the guard ask this on the video Mrs Speilberg posted.

thecomedian

BBFAN wrote: »

Almost everyone on here has stated that you can't hear or see the dog on the video yet at the same time later saying the dog must have been savaging the Gardaí for him to shoot. Now which one is it? Seriously? Nail your hammer to the mast.

Facts are that 1. A dog is dead 2. 1 shot was fired.

So either the dog was a dumb dog who was savaging the Garda without a sound or he shot the dog out of spite because he knew he'd get in serious **** for shooting a person?

Whatever the case maybe, from the very beginning he looks like an absolute loolaa. He's not there in an official capacity. He's simply trying to act the big man to help his mate and it quite literally backfired on him.

I've no sympathy for anyone in this scenario except the dog. The travellers were obviously acting the dick, the person who had gone to get their car repaired from travellers was an idiot to deal with them and the Garda was a macho gob****e trying to act it to impress his mate.

Blame the man dealing with the travellers??

BBFAN

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How did you arrive at this nugget?

He's on his own. Have you ever called the Gardaí in your life? Not a chance an armed detective would arrive if you called and said you were being assaulted.

Not a chance in hell. It has been said that rumour has it he was a friend of the person who owns the fan which seems a much more likely story wouldn't you agree?


Btw, I might add I have direct experience of ringing the Gardaí whilst being assaulted and NO-ONE arrived. You know why? Because they didn't have a car with 2 Gardaí in it available.

Buford T. Justice XIX

ebbsy wrote: »

Love this shoot em up bang bang stuff.

More please.

Mod note: ebbsy, don't post in this thread again,


Buford T. Justice

BBFAN

thecomedian wrote: »

Blame the man dealing with the travellers??

For shooting the dog yes of course, who else is to blame?

archer22

tuxy wrote: »

You need to watch the video on the first page, almost the entire frame is taken up by the garda's body at the time of the shot.

On the TV3 video clip the guard is there with his arms extended holding the pistol in a two handed grip and there is a large empty space between him and what he fired at, apparently the Dog

tuxy

archer22 wrote: »

There does not seem to be any immediate threat when he fired..the Dog was so far away from him as to be out of frame.

Here's the full frame not cropped at the exact moment the shot was fired.
And you claim to know for sure there was no dog near him?




Do you think it's a man or a dog that is trying to strangle the detective?

mea_k

I would shoot the dog too if he was threat to mine and others safety. Dog was not letting go of him. Dog was protecting owner and essentially became weapon used against garda. Any normal person would have done the same.

archer22

tuxy wrote: »

Here's the full frame not cropped at the exact moment the shot was fired.
And you claim to know for sure there was no dog near him?

Watch the TV3 clip...its not a close up!

Plumbthedepths

archer22 wrote:

On the TV3 video clip the guard is there with his arms extended holding the pistol in a two handed grip and there is a large empty space between him and what he fired at, apparently the Dog

The 9th post on this thread shows the edited video from Mrs Speilberg have a look.

BBFAN

mea_k wrote: »

I would shoot the dog too if he was threat to mine and others safety. Dog was not letting go of him. Dog was protecting owner and essentially became weapon used against garda. Any normal person would have done the same.

Any normal person would shoot a dog who was a threat to them?

Thanks be to jaysus we don't live in America. There'd be no dogs left in the country.

tuxy

archer22 wrote: »

Watch the TV3 clip...its not a close up!

I will when you post the link as I can't find it.

Plumbthedepths

BBFAN wrote:

Any normal person would shoot a dog who was a threat to them?

What's your suggestion if a dog is attacking you and you're armed, give it a doggie treat and tickle it's belly or protect yourself. Sensible answer now no bs please.