And the winner of dreamer of the year is... Part 2!

cpoh1

Tzardine wrote: »

I know that Jap metal is skyrocketing at the moment, but I dont see this one getting close to 10k.

An original, clean car I could maybe see it happening. But other than a fresh lick of paint (in a chav 'Spoon' spec) the car is quite rough around the edges, particularly the interior - which is the wrong one for the car. Lipstick on a pig IMO.

If you are asking top money like the one above, it needs to be perfect.

Missing seat rails, no NCT (regardless of what he promises), trim pieces missing etc.

I stand by it - dreamer.

In 2018 money thats a 3-4k car. With the junk thats going around for big money these days (not just jap stuff) thats a 10k car with the niggles resolved. It might be a little overpriced for the market but not dreamer territory.

The yellow is a rare original honda colour (how is spoon "chav"?)
Rust done and undersealing complete
b16 engine build (if done correctly) is a big draw
Interior is fairly standard (even if its Sir1 v 2)

Its just not an off the wall price no matter how you dress it up.

DelBoy Trotter

Midnight_EG wrote: »

His summation isn't wrong though

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Knowing the Honda scene, it isn't... Unfortunately

Agree with Cian and Midnight_EG on this. Even though it does look a bit rough around the edges, 10k is pretty much bang on the money for what it will sell for. As a massive Honda fan, it's frustrating, as I'd love a DC2 again as a toy and an Accord Euro R (CL7) as my everyday car, but both are worth big money these days

Cheensbo

Slightly OT but without ever seeing it - I'm pretty sure Wibbs has a €20k+ dc2r, it just has to be one of the best in the country.

Midnight_EG

Tzardine wrote: »

We will agree to disagree so. i just dont see it for this particular one.

Interestingly it is advertised on DD for 23 days.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1994-honda-civic/27745443

The only reason it hasn't sold, is (from experience) he's hard to deal with. A mate of mine sold an EG6 3 weeks ago for 17 grand. You can't get one out of Japan for under 20 without rust or big crash history. Go look, you might not think the market is correct, but it is. Everything JDM is the EXACT same, there's no such thing as a cheap cool car anymore, not like what we got to experience in the last 15-20 years.

The last DC2 I owned, I bought for under 2500 euro and sold for 5k,which was the upper market price at the time. The last S14 I bought owed me €1850 all in, sold it for €8700. My last R34 (non-runner, needed paint plus engine/box) I bought for €4200 and sold for nearly €10,000. The market is different, its not what we remember.

CianRyan

It is heartbreaking watching the prices of them grow, I'd love an EG or EK but they have gone beyond what I would spend on a car at this stage of my life.
Even a few years back when I had 5k to spend, they were out of reach.

DelBoy Trotter

I bought a DC2 for 10.5k about 12 years ago, sold it about 3 years later for 4.2k. That DC2 is now worth multiples what I sold it for, even with all the extra mileage and everyday wear and tear. I've regretted selling it since I let it go.

The EK shape has always been my favourite Civic shape, but I've resigned myself to never owning an EK9 Type R as the price of them is just mental. I would take a clean Civic SiR EK4 if they were reasonably priced, but the price of them is also hefty these days

hellyeah

DelBoy Trotter wrote: »

I bought a DC2 for 10.5k about 12 years ago, sold it about 3 years later for 4.2k. That DC2 is now worth multiples what I sold it for, even with all the extra mileage and everyday wear and tear. I've regretted selling it since I let it go.

The EK shape has always been my favourite Civic shape, but I've resigned myself to never owning an EK9 Type R as the price of them is just mental. I would take a clean Civic SiR EK4 if they were reasonably priced, but the price of them is also hefty these days

Similar story here. Had a black dc2 that I sold in 2011 for about 4k. Standard car too.
Very rarely see them for sale now, must be all locked up in sheds. Regretted seiling it.

Quazzie

Cheensbo wrote: »

Slightly OT but without ever seeing it - I'm pretty sure Wibbs has a €20k+ dc2r, it just has to be one of the best in the country.

I've seen it, and yes. It is mint.

Wibbs

cpoh1 wrote: »

In 2018 money thats a 3-4k car. With the junk thats going around for big money these days (not just jap stuff) thats a 10k car with the niggles resolved. It might be a little overpriced for the market but not dreamer territory.

With the way the JDM stuff has gone recently and bloody rapidly I'd not be too surprised if it got 8K anyway. That said...

The yellow is a rare original honda colour

But not the original colour to the car. That's a big issue in my book. Then again it's not a very original car that would appeal to collectors so probably not so big a deal, but at that money?

(how is spoon "chav"?)

It's not. They make serious quality parts. Unless it's fake chinesium.

Rust done and undersealing complete

I'd want to see extensive pics of the work carried out. Rust goes deep on them and I've seen pristine looking "repaired" examples that were so rotten in the inside if it were a tooth you'd pull it. Underseal can cover a multitude of sins.

b16 engine build (if done correctly) is a big draw

If done correctly is the biggie. I've seen a few builds done locally over the years that lasted feck all miles before they started to smoke. TBH if my glorified Civic's engine ever went bang, I'd sell the corpse of it to someone who could rebuild it and order a Spoon crate engine and be done with it.

cpoh1

If I was buying that car id have it up on a lift with a screwdriver, thats for sure.

Wibbs

Cheensbo wrote: »

Slightly OT but without ever seeing it - I'm pretty sure Wibbs has a €20k+ dc2r, it just has to be one of the best in the country.

Survivor bias. Ah to be fair it's in pretty good nick and bloody rare in silver. It needs a clutch master cylinder but that's in hand. Badly needs a wash. Like its owner. Filling to the gunnels with anti rust wax when I bought it(and topping it up annually) made the difference, oil changes every 3000 k helped, that and it being a daily driver. I doubt it's 20k though. 10-12 maybe? Though the prices of them in Japan now... I'd get more selling it to an American or Japanese. Three years ago I put an insurance value on it at 7K and thought I was padding it a bit. Not now it seems.

hellyeah wrote: »

Very rarely see them for sale now, must be all locked up in sheds.

Or returned to iron oxide.
90's JDM car. Earlier.

Midnight_EG wrote: »

A mate of mine sold an EG6 3 weeks ago for 17 grand. You can't get one out of Japan for under 20 without rust or big crash history.

Seventeen thousand beer tokens, for an EG? :eek:

Cheensbo

Wibbs wrote: »

Survivor bias. Ah to be fair it's in pretty good nick and bloody rare in silver. It needs a clutch master cylinder but that's in hand. Badly needs a wash. Like its owner. Filling to the gunnels with anti rust wax when I bought it(and topping it up annually) made the difference, oil changes every 3000 k helped, that and it being a daily driver. I doubt it's 20k though. 10-12 maybe? Though the prices of them in Japan now... I'd get more selling it to an American or Japanese. Three years ago I put an insurance value on it at 7K and thought I was padding it a bit. Not now it seems.

I stand by my valuation , a ragged white one with rough recaros, plenty of hidden rust and eleven billion kms is still a €12k car, and that ain't what yours is!

Midnight_EG

Wibbs wrote: »

Seventeen thousand beer tokens, for an EG? :eek:

Same fella sold his EK9 at the same time for... Wait for it... €23,000. Showroom condition, I provided A LOT of brand new genuine parts for him. Not surprisingly, he's replaced them both with an NSX and it saddens me that I'm out of Honda now

Eoinbmw

Give it two years and the JDM Bubble will pop once we enter a worldwide recession watch this space !
The JDM market is completely over heating !

CianRyan

The same can probably be said for every pocket of the car world if that happens.
If we do end up in a recession it will be massively different to 2008 and I hope I will be able to buy some nice cars. :pac:

Eoinbmw

CianRyan wrote: »

The same can probably be said for every pocket of the car world if that happens.
If we do end up in a recession it will be massively different to 2008 and I hope I will be able to buy some nice cars. :pac:

Im saving as we speak

Wibbs

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Give it two years and the JDM Bubble will pop once we enter a worldwide recession watch this space !
The JDM market is completely over heating !

The collectable markets of all sorts are going nuts not just in old cars. Crappy interest rates and concerns over normal investment avenues drive this sorta thing. A worldwide recession could drive it further as unlike most recessions this one will likely turn out unequal in who it affects, just the way covid has.

Midnight_EG

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Give it two years and the JDM Bubble will pop once we enter a worldwide recession watch this space !
The JDM market is completely over heating !

This isn't a bubble, this is scarcity taking over. This is America having, or soon-having access to these cars. It made no financial sense for them to buy them when they hit rock bottom in 2008 because they couldn't use the majority of anything cool until at least 2015 like an R32 GTR. It makes sense now, as a lot of them are going the way of turbo Porsches of old and our E30s. They might plateau, but they won't come back down again. You cannot buy these cars cheaper anywhere else, and they will not get cheaper to maintain as parts become discontinued.

The_Dark_Lord

€25,750 for this Corrolla twincam?! For about 2 and a half grand more, one could buy that pristine Sierra Cosworth that's been mentioned a few posts back.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-twincam-ae86/27974830

CoBo55

The_Dark_Lord wrote: »

€25,750 for this Corrolla twincam?! For about 2 and a half grand more, one could buy that pristine Sierra Cosworth that's been mentioned a few posts back.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-twincam-ae86/27974830

I’d sooner have the Cossie than that pile of dung that’s after getting the absolute scutter driven out of it for the last 35 years.

PsychoPete

The country was full of glanzas,civics,levins,silvias etc but so many of them didn't survive and got broke for parts, there isn't that many out there now. I expect prices to be increasing but they have absolutely sky rocketed recently. If things keep going the way they are then the days of me buying Jap stuff are well gone. If I sold my Glanza I might actually make my money back

Wibbs

CoBo55 wrote: »

I’d sooner have the Cossie than that pile of dung that’s after getting the absolute scutter driven out of it for the last 35 years.

That's about the price of those Twincams. They have a huge following. The Cossie is a very nice car, but I personally never liked the non hatch. Cheapest way to get into a Cossie mind you.

PsychoPete wrote: »

The country was full of glanzas,civics,levins,silvias etc but so many of them didn't survive and got broke for parts, there isn't that many out there now.

And people got older and grew up. I hung onto mine entirely by mistake. Beemers and the like took over because they were acceptable in suburbia and work for all ages behind the wheel. I suppose certain models of them that are under the radar now will go crazy too down the line.

If I sold my Glanza I might actually make my money back

And laugh in the face of the Motor Gods while you're doing it. A car? An appreciating asset? Are you mad?

Mjolnir

A lot of people on this are right in saying that some posters haven't a clue about the jap performance market values.
Those skyline and supras aren't badly priced in the grand scheme.
There was an R34 sold for $313,000odd, rare one but they sell for mental money.
For people my age, younger and older, into jap cars those cars are iconic.
Auto supras aren't a big job to make manual, swapping in a 2jzgte isn't a massive job either compared to some cars.

hellyeah

CoBo55 wrote: »

I’d sooner have the Cossie than that pile of dung that’s after getting the absolute scutter driven out of it for the last 35 years.

Agreed. 20 years ago I used to do track days at mondello. There was always twin cams on track being absolutely destroyed. Could buy them for buttons back then. They have all seen plenty of action.

Eoinbmw

Mjolnir wrote: »

A lot of people on this are right in saying that some posters haven't a clue about the jap performance market values.
Those skyline and supras aren't badly priced in the grand scheme.
There was an R34 sold for $313,000odd, rare one but they sell for mental money.
For people my age, younger and older, into jap cars those cars are iconic.
Auto supras aren't a big job to make manual, swapping in a 2jzgte isn't a massive job either compared to some cars.

Have you priced a manual box and a 2j recently?
On top of the price of the car, Labour and the fact its wont be factory?

Mjolnir

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Have you priced a manual box and a 2j recently?
On top of the price of the car, Labour and the fact its wont be factory?

Why would you care if its factory?
When you're not buying a wholly original manual 2jz gte?
Not that long ago actually, you'd save a bit importing an auto with a separate manual box than a clean unmolested manual in a lot of cases. Low milage 2jz gte with the box were roughly $18-19k, recently if memory serves?

The 1000bhp supras are far from factory
Drag cars aren't factory
There's a metric sh!t ton of non factory cars any of us would happily sit in and have plenty of fun with.

Midnight_EG

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Have you priced a manual box and a 2j recently?

I built a road car 2J 180SX in 2016...i bought both the R154 and vvti 2J for €3100. Broke the car, sold the engine alone for over 3 and the box for close to 3. Imagine what I'd have made if I sold them this year :eek:

CianRyan

hellyeah wrote: »

Agreed. 20 years ago I used to do track days at mondello. There was always twin cams on track being absolutely destroyed. Could buy them for buttons back then. They have all seen plenty of action.

Ford fans like to throw this around like Cosworth's weren't driven just as hard.
Like good luck finding a Cossie Escort that hasn't had a very hard life.

Fast cars are built to be driven fast, no shock that they've been driven fast.

Eoinbmw

Mjolnir wrote: »

Why would you care if its factory?
When you're not buying a wholly original manual 2jz gte?
Not that long ago actually, you'd save a bit importing an auto with a separate manual box than a clean unmolested manual in a lot of cases. Low milage 2jz gte with the box were roughly $18-19k, recently if memory serves?

The 1000bhp supras are far from factory
Drag cars aren't factory
There's a metric sh!t ton of non factory cars any of us would happily sit in and have plenty of fun with.

Them days are long gone unfortunately!

CoBo55

CianRyan wrote: »

Ford fans like to throw this around like Cosworth's weren't driven just as hard.
Like good luck finding a Cossie Escort that hasn't had a very hard life.

Fast cars are built to be driven fast, no shock that they've been driven fast.

Missing the point completely. Nobody is disputing they're driven to death but in this case the Cosworth looks like it had an easy life compared to the twin cam.

CianRyan

CoBo55 wrote: »

Missing the point completely. Nobody is disputing they're driven to death but in this case the Cosworth looks like it had an easy life compared to the twin cam.

Based on what?!
We know no history of either car.

Even if the Cossie has "one careful owner with low millage", it could have lived on the limited for 1000km once a year, every year.

I'm sorry, I may be jaded bit I'm clearly not the only one.
30 year old cars are 30 year old cars, they're all at risk of being missiles.

Mjolnir

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Them days are long gone unfortunately!

I'll have to take your word for that I'm far too lazy to study for exams never mind look for a box for a car I don't own haha :,D

That being said you could build one hell of a fast nice car for the 100k - 150k mark

Eoinbmw

Mjolnir wrote: »

I'll have to take your word for that I'm far too lazy to study for exams never mind look for a box for a car I don't own haha :,D

That being said you could build one hell of a fast nice car for the 100k - 150k mark

You certainly could

CianRyan

I had a quick look, JDM distro have a 1JZ for 6k, there are two other 2J's for sale in Ireland for under 5k.

No idea the condition of any of course but not unlike what I expected.
530d box's fit with an adapter plate, right? You'd pick up a pre 08 whole car for less than the engine.

millington

cpoh1 wrote: »

In 2018 money thats a 3-4k car. With the junk thats going around for big money these days (not just jap stuff) thats a 10k car with the niggles resolved. It might be a little overpriced for the market but not dreamer territory.

The yellow is a rare original honda colour (how is spoon "chav"?)
Rust done and undersealing complete
b16 engine build (if done correctly) is a big draw
Interior is fairly standard (even if its Sir1 v 2)

Its just not an off the wall price no matter how you dress it up.

Yellow is rare but the cars not originally yellow so doesn't really matter.

The car would be sold if it was painted it's original colour.

Wibbs

millington wrote: »

Yellow is rare but the cars not originally yellow so doesn't really matter.

If you look at the wider classic market colour changes don't seem to have that big an impact, unless it's a very rare car where the colour and originality is important, or the colour change is trying to make it look like a rarer model. Originality itself is the biggie. Though I suspect that won't be as in play with the 90's JDM stuff, at least at the less rare, cheaper end. Mainly because original cars that haven't been riced and "upgraded" with a football team of previous owners on the logbook are so rare the market and buyers can't afford to be as picky.

JC01

CianRyan wrote: »

I had a quick look, JDM distro have a 1JZ for 6k, there are two other 2J's for sale in Ireland for under 5k.

No idea the condition of any of course but not unlike what I expected.
530d box's fit with an adapter plate, right? You'd pick up a pre 08 whole car for less than the engine.

530d boxes are getting thin on the ground due to their use behind 1/2js, particularly in drifting.

There’s a whole industry in adapting different boxes to fit those engines these days.

And there’s always been a massive difference in value of the 1 and 2j, even NA 2js are starting to soar in value these days.

Turbolounge

I can't post links/images as I'm a new user, but did anyone see the 1997 Saab 9000 on donedeal for 16k? No nct and been sitting for 8 years

Righty

Turbolounge wrote: »

I can't post links/images as I'm a new user, but did anyone see the 1997 Saab 9000 on donedeal for 16k? No nct and been sitting for 8 years

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-9000-cd-griffin-turbo-auto-a-fine-example/26915330
This the one I'm guessing

Turbolounge

Yes, that's exactly it!

Magown3

No doubt it's a nice car with good spec, but the price is LARGE!


Integra Type R

Midnight_EG

Magown3 wrote: »

No doubt it's a nice car with good spec, but the price is LARGE!


Integra Type R

I'm curious about how well the ISOFIX works if he thought to mention it... Considering the jungle gym around it

colm_mcm

Steering wheel doesn’t look multi-function either!

Unless left and right are separate functions.

Midnight_EG

Hasn't even got the fog lights or sunroof he mentions... Did he even try

DoctorStrange

Could straighten up the ignition switch, also, steering column looks askew?

Doublebusy

Id imagine it can move alright
But all the attention to detail and they cut the front bumper for a €20 tow strap

Toyotafanboi

Doublebusy wrote: »

Id imagine it can move alright
But all the attention to detail and they cut the front bumper for a €20 tow strap

Yeah, that's the first thing i though. Whoever done that should get prison time, genuinely.

Turbolounge

Midnight_EG wrote: »

I'm curious about how well the ISOFIX works if he thought to mention it... Considering the jungle gym around it

Along with the sunroof and multi-function steering wheel

PsychoPete

Some tracks want straps fitted to cars rather than hooks. Straps are probably safer but that's a track car so I don't think it really matters how it looks

CianRyan

I'm unsure about this one.
On one hand it's class, on the other it's a highly modified Integra was was probably heavily hammered even before they strapped a fidget spinner to the intake.
I love it but not at 24k. Jaysus.

And who the hell is putting a child in the back of that?