And the winner of dreamer of the year is... Part 2!

wonski

I had one of those in the same variant and colour and the day it was collected by the scrappers was a good day

Toyotafanboi

OE hub caps and colour codes bumpers make a world of difference to it!

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1997-ford-fiesta-encore/26048389





Compare this to the 3k example above. Nicely presented, tax and lots of test, small miles etc, €1650

CoBo55

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1997-ford-fiesta-encore/26048389





Compare this to the 3k example above. Nicely presented, tax and lots of test, small miles etc, €1650

1997 is not vintage, actually that engine is, thirsty rattly gutless yoke.

Tzardine

CoBo55 wrote: »

1997 is not vintage, actually that engine is, thirsty rattly gutless yoke.

Defiantly not 'vintage', but these can be insured as a classic now.

The pushrod engine is ancient alright. Basically the same engine that I have in my 1985 Fiesta, and it was around a good while even then.

Its crapness has a charm in an older car, but in the Mk4 it was well past its prime.

It is a reliable lump however.

CoBo55

Tzardine wrote: »

Defiantly not 'vintage', but these can be insured as a classic now.

The pushrod engine is ancient alright. Basically the same engine that I have in my 1985 Fiesta, and it was around a good while even then.

Its crapness has a charm in an older car, but in the Mk4 it was well past its prime.

It is a reliable lump however.

You can go back a lot further than that...

Eoinbmw

the 1.25 zetec motor was a little peach in those back in the day!

CoBo55

Eoinbmw wrote: »

the 1.25 zetec motor was a little peach in those back in the day!

Definitely, the brother had a 96 Festy with that engine it was lovely to drive.

Four Phucs Ache

Had fun times in a fiesta zetec, 99/00 ...threw a straight through exhaust on the mothers and a filter.....but I was 19, the sound is still with me.

On another note , that I dont notice now, when I was sitting at bus stops.

Without looking, I could tell if the gearbox whine off k10 micra or a 1.3 fiesta was about to pass.

Only other unique engine sound back then I remember was the dump valve off a starlet turbo.

Never see one now. Shame

CoBo55

Four Phucs Ache wrote: »

Had fun times in a fiesta zetec, 99/00 ...threw a straight through exhaust on the mothers and a filter.....but I was 19, the sound is still with me.

On another note , that I dont notice now, when I was sitting at bus stops.

Without looking, I could tell if the gearbox whine off k10 micra or a 1.3 fiesta was about to pass.

Only other unique engine sound back then I remember was the dump valve off a starlet turbo.

Never see one now. Shame

Mini or Renault 9,14,18.. They could whine for Ireland.

Blue850

CoBo55 wrote: »

You can go back a lot further than that...

Back to the 105E Anglia from 1959

CoBo55

Blue850 wrote: »

Back to the 105E Anglia from 1959

Well they crossflowed the head in 68 so we'll take it from there, conveniently ignoring the amount of main bearings:)

W123-80's

No doubting this is a cracking motor with an incredible amount of genuinely good work carried out, but €18k....??

The market for this car at this price point in Ireland must be miniscule.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1993-vauxhall-carlton-gsi-3000-24v-manual/26462698

Sam Russell

W123-80's wrote: »

No doubting this is a cracking motor with an incredible amount of genuinely good work carried out, but €18k....??

The market for this car at this price point in Ireland must be miniscule.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1993-vauxhall-carlton-gsi-3000-24v-manual/26462698

When I look at that advert, the suggestion at the bottom at more or less the same money are for a Masserati Qattroporte 57km 2006 (€15k), a 1979 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow 2 (£19k), and a 1999 Bentley Arnage (€18k).

How does a 1993 Vauxhall get into that league?

Cheensbo

Sam Russell wrote: »

When I look at that advert, the suggestion at the bottom at more or less the same money are for a Masserati Qattroporte 57km 2006 (€15k), a 1979 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow 2 (£19k), and a 1999 Bentley Arnage (€18k).

How does a 1993 Vauxhall get into that league?

I don't think minimizing the car by calling it a 1993 Vauxhall helps the dreamer argument tbh.

This auld 1993 ford is asking 20k for instance.

In reality, the price is high because it's an extremely desirable version (is it worth 20k? I suppose the market will decide), but still - the cossie is a lot less rare than the Carlton...

As for the Carlton, it's the same old adage - try find another in that nick, then try find one for less..

Sam Russell

Cheensbo wrote: »

I don't think minimizing the car by calling it a 1993 Vauxhall helps the dreamer argument tbh.

As for the Carlton, it's the same old adage - try find another in that nick, then try find one for less..

I could never consider a Vauxhall as desirable, whatever it had. I once owned an Opel from new, and it was stolen (as was common - they were trivial to steal), following which the back wheel overtook me one day - never again.

It's like those who claim an aged Ford Escort could attract the huge prices being asked - maybe a genuine Mexico, but not a fake one as most of these are.

There are much better cars available for a lot less. Old cars can be death traps in an accident - there has been huge improvements in driver, passenger, and pedestrian safety over the decades. Show cars - yes, daily drivers - no thanks.

johndaman66

I don't think saying old cars can be death traps in an accident, saying they are show cars - yes, daily drivers - no thanks is validly countering the debate in hand.
The 1979 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow 2 you mentioned is more expensive again than the Vauxhall and possibly an even worse death trap to be in an accident in so by that logic it should be asking less?

If a genuine clean Escort Mexico is worth £40k (or whatever going rate is) then is a Sierra Cosworth like Cheensbo linked to not worth €20k because its from a common as muck marque such as Ford or a 1993 Carlton GSI not worth €18k because its from a common as muck marque such as Vauxhall and a death trap in an accident compared to a more modern sophisticated car?

I'm not saying the Vauxhall is worth €18k either. What I am saying is that its wrong to discount its value on the basis of the argument you are using.

millington

W123-80's wrote: »

No doubting this is a cracking motor with an incredible amount of genuinely good work carried out, but €18k....??

The market for this car at this price point in Ireland must be miniscule.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1993-vauxhall-carlton-gsi-3000-24v-manual/26462698

Hard to call that one. A good tidy example is pushing 10k now so a restored one probably won't be far off that money.

at9qu5vp0wcix7

Jaylene Gigantic Self-discipline wrote: »

Deane Motors do some great stuff, but the pricing on the S2000 and in particular the Alfa Brera is very optimistic. I'm hoping to buy an S2000 in years to come, and it will be a very long time before that car is worth anything near €27,500.

The Brera is baffling, people can't shift them because of the tax.

18 months on, and that S2000 is still sitting there at 27.5k
http://deanemotors.ie/product/honda-s2000/

jelutong

Cheensbo wrote: »

I don't think minimizing the car by calling it a 1993 Vauxhall helps the dreamer argument tbh.

This auld 1993 ford is asking 20k for instance.

In reality, the price is high because it's an extremely desirable version (is it worth 20k? I suppose the market will decide), but still - the cossie is a lot less rare than the Carlton...

As for the Carlton, it's the same old adage - try find another in that nick, then try find one for less..

A Sierra Cosworth Sapphire 4x4 of that era in original condition would cost at least £30 k.
The one above was on sale on Adverts.ie some years back for €8.5. Look up the ad.

Sam Russell

johndaman66 wrote: »

I don't think saying old cars can be death traps in an accident, saying they are show cars - yes, daily drivers - no thanks is validly countering the debate in hand.
The 1979 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow 2 you mentioned is more expensive again than the Vauxhall and possibly an even worse death trap to be in an accident in so by that logic it should be asking less?

If a genuine clean Escort Mexico is worth £40k (or whatever going rate is) then is a Sierra Cosworth like Cheensbo linked to not worth €20k because its from a common as muck marque such as Ford or a 1993 Carlton GSI not worth €18k because its from a common as muck marque such as Vauxhall and a death trap in an accident compared to a more modern sophisticated car?

I'm not saying the Vauxhall is worth €18k either. What I am saying is that its wrong to discount its value on the basis of the argument you are using.

The Escort Mexico was hand built, as was the Sierra Cosworth, and both are Fords, from a specialist division. I doubt the Vauxhall will ever sell for anything like that price.

Tzardine

Jaylene Gigantic Self-discipline wrote: »

18 months on, and that S2000 is still sitting there at 27.5k
http://deanemotors.ie/product/honda-s2000/

Its still on UK plates too AFAIK. So will the price go up if you buy it after January with the extra revenue fees?

I have seen the car in the flesh. It is a lovely example. But €27,500 is a big ask.

Strangely, he does tend to reduce the price of the cars after they sit for a while, but this one has stood firm at that price.

That being said, I bought a car from him and negotiated a good discount off asking price, so I wonder what he would actually take for it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Tzardine wrote: »

Its still on UK plates too AFAIK. So will the price go up if you buy it after January with the extra revenue fees?

I have seen the car in the flesh. It is a lovely example. But €27,500 is a big ask.

Strangely, he does tend to reduce the price of the cars after they sit for a while, but this one has stood firm at that price.

That being said, I bought a car from him and negotiated a good discount off asking price, so I wonder what he would actually take for it.

I still think Its a mental mental MENTAL price for it. You could get in a jap import grade A one for less than half that even with the new VRT...and that one deane has isn't even VRTd.

Youd want to be on serious drugs.

MetzgerMeister

I would think the price of 27.5 includes VRT but it's still properly mental money for one.

q85dw7osi4lebg

An 02 S2000 has just been brought in, VRT was 4750, appealed but not successful. Absolute disgrace. Also heard a story of someone (maybe on here?) trying to trade in a 2016 ish Civic Type R towards it and Deanes wanted cash their way.

It's a lovely example of an s2000 but you could buy and bring in similar example from UK for 24k ish.

cpoh1

S2000 has to be one of the most overrated performance cars on our roads these days, complete revisionist opinions on them and prices have gone insane. The F20 engine is old tech compared to modern vtec engines and they were nearly undriveable at speed in wet conditions on irish roads. Still regret leaving mine go after a brief ownership for peanuts compared to todays prices.

Lovely cars that should be in the 8-10k bracket for clean examples, that Deane motors example is double what it should priced at.

q85dw7osi4lebg

cpoh1 wrote: »

S2000 has to be one of the most overrated performance cars on our roads these days, complete revisionist opinions on them and prices have gone insane. The F20 engine is old tech compared to modern vtec engines and they were nearly undriveable at speed in wet conditions on irish roads. Still regret leaving mine go after a brief ownership for peanuts compared to todays prices.

Lovely cars that should be in the 8-10k bracket for clean examples, that Deane motors example is double what it should priced at.

How could they be 8-10k for a clean example when cheapest VRT is nearly 5k?:pac:

cpoh1

Autumn Thoughtless Zombie wrote: »

How could they be 8-10k for a clean example when cheapest VRT is nearly 5k?:pac:

I said should be, not could be. Its a chicken and egg scenario, VRT is so high because asking and selling prices are so high in Ireland. Incidentally i sold my MY99 gunmetal grey in 2013 for less that the VRT asking price now.

These cars run the same price as DC5's in the uk. £8k sterling will get you a very tidy example indeed which is about their value at the limit.

q85dw7osi4lebg

cpoh1 wrote: »

I said should be, not could be. Its a chicken and egg scenario, VRT is so high because asking and selling prices are so high in Ireland. Incidentally i sold my MY99 gunmetal grey in 2013 for less that the VRT asking price now.

These cars run the same price as DC5's in the uk. £8k sterling will get you a very tidy example indeed which is about their value at the limit.

There are 7 examples on Pistonheads and only 1 is less that 13,000 stg. I've seen a few under 10k on the owners groups and they are crusty underneath or high miled, definitely can't get a very tidy example for that money or anywhere near it. There was one reasonably priced one here last year and it sold the day it was advertised. If you have a terrible example here and sell it for even 3k to the UK you'll get a decent VRT rebate. Supply and demand. A clean one here with no arch rot and decent condition underneath with a good soft-top and sub 100k miles is worth 12k all day.

cpoh1

Autumn Thoughtless Zombie wrote: »

A clean one here with no arch rot and decent condition underneath with a good soft-top and sub 100k miles is worth 12k all day.

Thats my point, they might be selling for 12k but they are not worth that, completely overhyped and overpriced for what you are getting. The F20 engine is designed on late 1980's honda vtec technology and was already outdated when they put it into the S2000 in 1999.

Bar straight line speed and looks (subjective!) an NB mk2 mazda mx5 is a a much better all round 2 seater convertible, its a proper well balanced drivers car. There's a reason I still have my one and sold the S2000.