Gun attack at Christmas market, Strasbourg.

Dannyriver

Omackeral wrote: »

Right, listen. It's easy.

Other poster claimed there's always been issues in Middle East.
There has. You maintained it's because of the West's meddling. It's been unstable before then. That's literally the only point that was being made. You start going on about Europe's history then which nobody else had brought up in the contxct of the point. Nobody claimed the West being involved hasn't had an impact. Nobody said that.

Actually it's easier just not to engage with you anymore because your debating skills are so poor and you just drag people off on emotional tangents. When your hero is Blindboy from Rubberbandits, it's really nobody's fault but my own for getting into it with you. Auf weidersehen!

QED enjoy your weekend.

What % are people happy with having the muslim population at? Or are ye all carefree enough to have no threshold?

Over in Belgium there is enough to have started political parties, with aims for an islamic state, and they have election success. They literally sound like ISIS.

In 2018, they candidated in 28 municipalities. Its goals are an Islamic state. Its policies include men and women to be separated on public transport, schools must be forced to offer halal meat and anyone must be able to wear a headscarf anywhere. Its policy is to replace the civil and penal laws of Belgium with Sharia law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Belgium#Islam_party

This is where is occurs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#Demographics

The population has been described as "mainly Muslim" in the media; however, actual figures range between 25% and 40%, depending on the catchment area

So thats probably a limit any sane person would want right?

What about future birth rates? England & Wales has it at 5% - from the 2011 census.

According to the 2011 Census, 2.7 million Muslims live in England and Wales, up by almost 1 million from the previous census, where they form 5.0% of the general population and 9.1% of children under the age of five

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_England

So gonna pretty much double in a generation and as the older cohort dies off the % will increase.
And as much as I enjoy watching the Brexit spectacle and the UK potentially break itself up it is just a bit too close to Ireland for comfort. Whatever happens Ireland will likely have open borders with either the UK or the EU and possibly continue to be open to both.

So someone please provide me with a good case in favour of what seems to be utter madness?

Zorya

Deleted User wrote: »

What % are people happy with having the muslim population at? Or are ye all carefree enough to have no threshold?

What's not to love?
Sheffield 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0B-oeKXcU4

https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1073601626961862657

I for one can hardly wait until a Hijabs'R'Us store opens in my local village.

No, no, what I actually mean is I cannot stand the PC lack of criticism of the barbaric fundamentalist medieval elements of certain (burgeoning) aspects of Islam.

malinheader

Deleted User wrote: »

What % are people happy with having the muslim population at? Or are ye all carefree enough to have no threshold?

Over in Belgium there is enough to have started political parties, with aims for an islamic state, and they have election success. They literally sound like ISIS.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Belgium#Islam_party

This is where is occurs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#Demographics


So thats probably a limit any sane person would want right?

What about future birth rates? England & Wales has it at 5% - from the 2011 census.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_England

So gonna pretty much double in a generation and as the older cohort dies off the % will increase.
And as much as I enjoy watching the Brexit spectacle and the UK potentially break itself up it is just a bit too close to Ireland for comfort. Whatever happens Ireland will likely have open borders with either the UK or the EU and possibly continue to be open to both.

So someone please provide me with a good case in favour of what seems to be utter madness?

Great post and also very worrying. It's a pity it will be looked upon as some as a racist statement. Even our own government now seem intent on letting Ireland become another country full of people from very different backgrounds, cultures who don't want to embrace ours. Diversity and multiculturalism is not working. Anyway to answer your question. Anyone wanting to come into our country to work, pay tax and except western cultures and don't expect us to change our ways is ok with me.Anyone who doesn't straight back out and that goes for any that's here already.

Palmach

Zorya wrote: »

What's not to love?
Sheffield 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0B-oeKXcU4

https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1073601626961862657

I for one can hardly wait until a Hijabs'R'Us store opens in my local village.

No, no, what I actually mean is I cannot stand the PC lack of criticism of the barbaric fundamentalist medieval elements of certain (burgeoning) aspects of Islam.

Watching those videos I feel so culturally enriched.

Danzy

It is mad, we all agree today that 1950s Catholism was horrendous here.

However, for the modern Left, a faith that is multiples more regressive, at its best, that is often dark ages savagery, is off limits for protest or critique.

They'll happily wear an anti Nazi badge and sit on a platform with people who advocate the extermination of all Jews, killing gays, wife beating.

Off topic but the modern Left has gone nuts, bat shi7 crazy.

engiweirdo

Danzy wrote: »

It is mad, we all agree today that 1950s Catholism was horrendous here.

However, for the modern Left, a faith that is multiples more regressive, at its best, that is often dark ages savagery, is off limits for protest or critique.

They'll happily wear an anti Nazi badge and sit on a platform with people who advocate the extermination of all Jews, killing gays, wife beating.

Off topic but the modern Left has gone nuts, bat shi7 crazy.

lol. I have a pair of these creatures next door to me. Actually tried to cause a lot of trouble and labelled me a nazi etc because of something I wrote on a facebook page about a convicted criminal who happened to be "new-Irish" not that I mentioned that fact.

The irony is that I doubt these uneducated buffoons could spell Auschwitz, never mind comprehend what an actual nazi is. And would be the first ones complaining if "De forriners" moved in beside them. But they'll latch on to whatever cause the latest Twitter hashtag tells them is right on now.

They'll be no doubt furiously scratching their heads in bewilderment next week as we are having a birthday party for our daughter at the house and precisely 2 of the friends she has chosen to invite are Irish born. Looking forward to it.

weldoninhio

Dannyriver wrote: »

The religion of Greed and western arrogance

So, none.

weldoninhio

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What % are people happy with having the muslim population at? Or are ye all carefree enough to have no threshold?

Over in Belgium there is enough to have started political parties, with aims for an islamic state, and they have election success. They literally sound like ISIS.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Belgium#Islam_party

This is where is occurs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#Demographics


So thats probably a limit any sane person would want right?

What about future birth rates? England & Wales has it at 5% - from the 2011 census.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_England

So gonna pretty much double in a generation and as the older cohort dies off the % will increase.
And as much as I enjoy watching the Brexit spectacle and the UK potentially break itself up it is just a bit too close to Ireland for comfort. Whatever happens Ireland will likely have open borders with either the UK or the EU and possibly continue to be open to both.

So someone please provide me with a good case in favour of what seems to be utter madness?

Ah yeah, but what you don’t see is that Ireland is only going to get “good” Muslims. You see, Ireland is completely different to every other country. We’ll only get doctors, engineers and other top notch immigrants. They’ll love Ireland and want to integrate fully. Just because.


Or so the left would have you believe.

Dannyriver

weldoninhio wrote: »

So, none.

No the religion of greed and western arrogance as previously stated.

weldoninhio

Dannyriver wrote: »

No the religion of greed and western arrogance as previously stated.

So, none? Since there is no such “religion”

malinheader

Dannyriver wrote: »

No the religion of greed and western arrogance as previously stated.

So why would anyone want to come to countries which are this. Should they not stay where they are?

Dannyriver

malinheader wrote: »

So why would anyone want to come to countries which are this. Should they not stay where they are?

I suppose the same reason we Irish were a nation of immigrants before we joined the EU which raised our standard of living considerably ...mind you during the crash we reverted to being an immigrant nation again. But you knew that already didn't you?

Dannyriver

weldoninhio wrote: »

So, none? Since there is no such “religion”

You might want to google the various definitions of religion there for a fuller understanding of the word.

malinheader

Dannyriver wrote: »

I suppose the same reason we Irish were a nation of immigrants before we joined the EU which raised our standard of living considerably ...mind you during the crash we reverted to being an immigrant nation again. But you knew that already didn't you?

I left to work in another country myself. Didn't expect any changes to the way the country operated to accommodate me,paid taxes into the country, never expected to be housed or sheltered unless paid for by me. Understood I would be entitled to no welfare and didn't make a fuss when someone called me paddy in a joking way. As did most i knew. Do you see any differences here.

Dannyriver

malinheader wrote: »

I left to work in another country myself. Didn't expect any changes to the way the country operated to accommodate me,paid taxes into the country, never expected to be housed or sheltered unless paid for by me. Understood I would be entitled to no welfare and didn't make a fuss when someone called me paddy in a joking way. As did most i knew. Do you see any differences here.

Jaysus you re a great fella altogether. Differences to what?

malinheader

Dannyriver wrote: »

Jaysus you re a great fella altogether. Differences to what?

Thanks. But thats just the way it was when I was an immigrant as you said.


Differences to what. I think you know that already. As you said.

Dannyriver

malinheader wrote: »

Thanks. But thats just the way it was when I was an immigrant as you said.


Differences to what. I think you know that already. As you said.

I don t actually. Immigration is a complex issue. There are so many aspects to it so that 'do you see the difference' could refer to numerous aspects of it.

TomSweeney

Deleted User wrote: »

What % are people happy with having the muslim population at? Or are ye all carefree enough to have no threshold?

Over in Belgium there is enough to have started political parties, with aims for an islamic state, and they have election success. They literally sound like ISIS.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Belgium#Islam_party

This is where is occurs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#Demographics


So thats probably a limit any sane person would want right?

What about future birth rates? England & Wales has it at 5% - from the 2011 census.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_England

So gonna pretty much double in a generation and as the older cohort dies off the % will increase.
And as much as I enjoy watching the Brexit spectacle and the UK potentially break itself up it is just a bit too close to Ireland for comfort. Whatever happens Ireland will likely have open borders with either the UK or the EU and possibly continue to be open to both.

So someone please provide me with a good case in favour of what seems to be utter madness?

Racist bull****, my brother lives in Brussels and he told me he has a lesbian friend living in Molenbeek* with her partner .. so it's all bull****, they are very tolerant and progressive there.


Maybe 5-10 KM from Molenbeek, but come on, Clontarf is closer to Darndale and they are pretty much the same neighbourhood right ??




By the way, this mentally ill deluded fool of a brother says all this with a straight face....

Danzy

TomSweeney wrote: »

Racist bull****, my brother lives in Brussels and he told me he has a lesbian friend living in Molenbeek* with her partner .. so it's all bull****, they are very tolerant and progressive there.


Maybe 5-10 KM from Molenbeek, but come on, Clontarf is closer to Darndale and they are pretty much the same neighbourhood right ??




By the way, this mentally ill deluded fool of a brother says all this with a straight face....

Lol, You had me at the start.

Molenbeek is Brussels future.

An incredibly violent ****hole

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

It is mad, we all agree today that 1950s Catholism was horrendous here.

However, for the modern Left, a faith that is multiples more regressive, at its best, that is often dark ages savagery, is off limits for protest or critique.

They'll happily wear an anti Nazi badge and sit on a platform with people who advocate the extermination of all Jews, killing gays, wife beating.

Off topic but the modern Left has gone nuts, bat shi7 crazy.

The same ****ers who scream "Islamophobia" usually set themselves up as feminists as well. There's women in England who think it's a mostly muslim country because they're kept so segregated. Then there's the honour killings. And the raping of 10s of thousands (at least) young girls for being white. Then there's the use of Sharia courts for the likes of divorce apparently with the womens' own "free will" used as an excuse. And the 100s of thousands who've had their genitals mutilated.

But hey, better just nod and smile or you're racist.

Captain Obvious

5th person has passed away from his injuries.

Zorya

Captain Obvious wrote: »

5th person has passed away from his injuries.

He is said to have stopped the attacker entering a crowded club. Very brave man.

A Polish man who was critically wounded during a terror attack at a Christmas market in the French city of Strasbourg died from his injuries on Sunday. Barto Orent-Niedzielski was the fifth fatality from last week's mass shooting.

"My brother Barto Pedro Orent-Niedzielski has just passed away. He thanks you for the love and strength you have given him," the brother of the 36-year-old Polish-born victim wrote on Facebook.

Orent-Niedzielski and his Italian friend Antonio Megalizzi had blocked the attacker from entering a concert venue during Tuesday's assault. When they saw the attacker, they reportedly rushed to stop him.

malinheader

True hero.could of been a whole lot more killed only for him. RIP.

jmayo

Zorya wrote: »

He is said to have stopped the attacker entering a crowded club. Very brave man.

A Polish man who was critically wounded during a terror attack at a Christmas market in the French city of Strasbourg died from his injuries on Sunday. Barto Orent-Niedzielski was the fifth fatality from last week's mass shooting.

"My brother Barto Pedro Orent-Niedzielski has just passed away. He thanks you for the love and strength you have given him," the brother of the 36-year-old Polish-born victim wrote on Facebook.

Orent-Niedzielski and his Italian friend Antonio Megalizzi had blocked the attacker from entering a concert venue during Tuesday's assault. When they saw the attacker, they reportedly rushed to stop him.

You see this is what most of us sensible people would call wanted and valuable immigrants.

Not the type of shytes that want all the most barbaric backwards shyte from home, the same home they couldn't wait to leave behind, somehow recreated in their new Western countries.

Captain Obvious

jmayo wrote: »

You see this is what most of us sensible people would call wanted and valuable immigrants.

Not the type of shytes that want all the most barbaric backwards shyte from home, the same home they couldn't wait to leave behind, somehow recreated in their new Western countries.

How to you decide which is which at the border?

jmayo

Captain Obvious wrote: »

How to you decide which is which at the border?

Non EU and no visa ? Immediate goodbye.
No proof of identity ? Immediate goodbye.
Young single male on own and above ? Immediate goodbye.

That would be a hell of a start at weeding out thousands that turn up unannounced and from God knows where.

The rest go into detention until background checked.
Background check not possible goodbye.
Better be safe than sorry.

If they are found in the country to have entered illegally they are detained until repatriation possible.
No wandering around the streets of say Dundalk.:mad:

Anyone allowed entry and found to have committed a criminal offense, after sentence served immediate repatriation and that even goes for fookers that may be tortured, killed, whatever.
Be greatful that you were taken in and don't act the maggot.

Actually at this stage I would consider not taking in muslim immigrants from non EU.
We don't need to start building the Molenbeeks, Lutons, Bradfords, Sevrans of the future.
Call me racist or whatever, but don't tell me mass muslim immigration has been a long term positive for any country that has experienced it.
Or are you going to deny problems in France, Netherlands, Belgium, UK and laterally Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Austria.

It is not that hard, but bleeding heart liberals like yourself are too quick to give the benefit of the doubt.

Do you allow anyone that turns up at your home to come straight in ?

Or are you going to do a presidential debate and claim otherwise just to look "right on and cool".

Captain Obvious

jmayo wrote: »

Non EU and no visa ? Immediate goodbye.
No proof of identity ? Immediate goodbye.
Young single male on own and above ? Immediate goodbye.

That would be a hell of a start at weeding out thousands that turn up unannounced and from God knows where.

The rest go into detention until background checked.
If they are found to have entered illegally they are detained until repatriation possible.
No wandering around the streets of say Dundalk.:mad:

It is not that hard, but bleeding heart liberals like yourself are too quick to give the benefit of the doubt.

Do you allow anyone that turns up at your home to come straight in ?

So how do you decide who is heroic and who is murderous?

malinheader

Captain Obvious wrote: »

So how do you decide who is heroic and who is murderous?

Hey. That's not our job. That's the job of all the so called brainy and wise people telling us it's ok, perfectly safe,everyone's checked muliticultraism and diversity are great. See if any of them can answer this.

Captain Obvious

malinheader wrote: »

Hey. That's not our job. That's the job of all the so called brainy and wise people telling us it's ok, perfectly safe,everyone's checked muliticultraism and diversity are great. See if any of them can answer this.

Why? Jmayo is the one saying we should try get immigrants that are brave and heroic over ones that are murderous. I don't think he'd fall in your category though. It's a great idea but if those are the traits you think potential immigrants should be judged on, how do you test them?

malinheader

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Why? Jmayo is the one saying we should try get immigrants that are brave and heroic over ones that are murderous. I don't think he'd fall in your category though. It's a great idea but if those are the traits you think potential immigrants should be judged on, how do you test them?

That's my point. How do you test them.So how do we know who we are letting in. Does anyone have an answer. So do we just keep on doing what were doing and suffer the consequences.

Danzy

At the very least have ones that are culturally similar or from cultures that assimilate.

End the idea of Multiculturalism. The culture you left at home, needs to mostly be left at home.

Limit numbers so integration is possible. Not the Neoliberal free for all of the last 30 years.

Captain Obvious

malinheader wrote: »

That's my point. How do you test them.So how do we know who we are letting in. Does anyone have an answer. So do we just keep on doing what were doing and suffer the consequences.

I don't believe there is a way to test a persons character at point of entry. You can look for criminal records, military intelligence or even social media but you will always be taking a chance. I think a good start in reducing risk would be to properly resource the enforcement of existing laws more stringently. Bring back the local immigration Garda offices and let them do their job. Replace the law on demanding ID that was deemed unconstitutional about 8 years ago.

Danzy wrote: »

At the very least have ones that are culturally similar or from cultures that assimilate.

End the idea of Multiculturalism. The culture you left at home, needs to mostly be left at home.

Limit numbers so integration is possible. Not the Neoliberal free for all of the last 30 years.

In a practical sense though, how do you determine a persons culture at point of entry to the state?

RandomName2

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I don't believe there is a way to test a persons character at point of entry.

Just going to point out that very many terrorist attacks (including the one this thread is about) are carried out by second generation immigrants [i.e. technically not immigrants at all].

Cordell

Captain Obvious wrote: »

In a practical sense though, how do you determine a persons culture at point of entry to the state?

Serve them a full Irish and a pint. If they run away screaming, then there's your answer.

Captain Obvious

RandomName2 wrote: »

Just going to point out that very many terrorist attacks (including the one this thread is about) are carried out by second generation immigrants [i.e. technically not immigrants at all].

That's true. It doesn't seem like they come from families or communities that support their acts either.

Danzy

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I don't believe there is a way to test a persons character at point of entry. You can look for criminal records, military intelligence or even social media but you will always be taking a chance. I think a good start in reducing risk would be to properly resource the enforcement of existing laws more stringently. Bring back the local immigration Garda offices and let them do their job. Replace the law on demanding ID that was deemed unconstitutional about 8 years ago.





In a practical sense though, how do you determine a persons culture at point of entry to the state?

Place of origin would be a good start, add in religion and education level filters as well.

Captain Obvious

Danzy wrote: »

Place of origin would be a good start, add in religion and education level filters as well.

You think your place of origin is a good indicator of your character?

Dannyriver

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You think your place of origin is a good indicator of your character?

Enoch Powell will give us a job, diggin’ our way to Annascaul.
Enoch Powell will give us a job, diggin’ our way to Annascaul.
Enoch Powell will give us a job, diggin’ our way to Annascaul.
And when we’re finished diggin’ there they’ll close the hole and all.

TomSweeney

RandomName2 wrote: »

Just going to point out that very many terrorist attacks (including the one this thread is about) are carried out by second generation immigrants [i.e. technically not immigrants at all].

So imagine Ireland in 20/30 years time then.




FUCKED

Dannyriver

TomSweeney wrote: »

So imagine Ireland in 20/30 years time then.




FUCKED

Chicken Licken the sky is falling down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&v=pBI_3vyUfdc

JohnMc1

Dannyriver wrote: »

Chicken Licken the sky is falling down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&v=pBI_3vyUfdc

Its foolish to think we'll escape what has been happening in Germany, France,Sweden and Britain.

jmayo

Captain Obvious wrote: »

So how do you decide who is heroic and who is murderous?

Well for a start the two men who were heroic and weren't mass murders came from fellow EU countries and were not the descendant of someone from Algeria.
Yeah I know that is racist or some such, but the unvarnished truth is that 99% of these guys are coming out of a certain background.

One was Polish man, we all know where they stand on your beloved mass migration.

Also why is it so difficult for some people to get their head around fact that if you just turn up with no identification you should never be let in.

And I know this guy was home grown, but do we really need to list the likes of the Berlin market attacker, the Stockholm attacker or spell out that these guys are hardly going to raise a better generation than the ones that actually did try and integrate.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

malinheader wrote: »

Hey. That's not our job. That's the job of all the so called brainy and wise people telling us it's ok, perfectly safe,everyone's checked muliticultraism and diversity are great. See if any of them can answer this.

Why? Jmayo is the one saying we should try get immigrants that are brave and heroic over ones that are murderous. I don't think he'd fall in your category though. It's a great idea but if those are the traits you think potential immigrants should be judged on, how do you test them?

Oh we are so pity.
Besides What is the definition of brainy and wise?
I think cop on is more important.

And I do believe I have more cop on than the ones who want to continue as is.
We have seen what has transpired in other countries, but yet you think it will be different here or worse still you actually refuse to see the issues in other countries.
Either way it reminds me of Einsteins famous remark.

BTW your old superiority complex is showing and it is a trait you share with lots of other proponents of so called multiculturalism and mass migration.

You think you are superior and that you can change these people.
Sure give them a warm welcome, a free home, welfare, healthcare, education and they will forget their backward ways, their bigoted attitudes, their hatreds.
In the past these immigrants actual did but then again there weren't the preponderance of excusors waiting to give them a free pass on acting like they were back home.

But the real scary thing is some of their kids buy in the shyte hook line and sinker once something doesn't go their way in life.
All the education, all the tax payer funded largese still can't stop them hating their fellow countrymen.

Captain Obvious

jmayo wrote: »

Well for a start the two men who were heroic and weren't mass murders came from fellow EU countries and were not the descendant of someone from Algeria.
Yeah I know that is racist or some such, but the unvarnished truth is that 99% of these guys are coming out of a certain background.

One was Polish man, we all know where they stand on your beloved mass migration.

Also why is it so difficult for some people to get their head around fact that if you just turn up with no identification you should never be let in.

And I know this guy was home grown, but do we really need to list the likes of the Berlin market attacker, the Stockholm attacker or spell out that these guys are hardly going to raise a better generation than the ones that actually did try and integrate.



Oh we are so pity.
Besides What is the definition of brainy and wise?
I think cop on is more important.

And I do believe I have more cop on than the ones who want to continue as is.
We have seen what has transpired in other countries, but yet you think it will be different here or worse still you actually refuse to see the issues in other countries.
Either way it reminds me of Einsteins famous remark.

BTW your old superiority complex is showing and it is a trait you share with lots of other proponents of so called multiculturalism and mass migration.

You think you are superior and that you can change these people.
Sure give them a warm welcome, a free home, welfare, healthcare, education and they will forget their backward ways, their bigoted attitudes, their hatreds.
In the past these immigrants actual did but then again there weren't the preponderance of excusors waiting to give them a free pass on acting like they were back home.

But the real scary thing is some of their kids buy in the shyte hook line and sinker once something doesn't go their way in life.
All the education, all the tax payer funded largese still can't stop them hating their fellow countrymen.

That's a lot of words to simply say "judge them by where they are from".

Dannyriver

jmayo wrote: »

Well for a start the two men who were heroic and weren't mass murders came from fellow EU countries and were not the descendant of someone from Algeria.
Yeah I know that is racist or some such, but the unvarnished truth is that 99% of these guys are coming out of a certain background.

One was Polish man, we all know where they stand on your beloved mass migration.

Also why is it so difficult for some people to get their head around fact that if you just turn up with no identification you should never be let in.

And I know this guy was home grown, but do we really need to list the likes of the Berlin market attacker, the Stockholm attacker or spell out that these guys are hardly going to raise a better generation than the ones that actually did try and integrate.



Oh we are so pity.
Besides What is the definition of brainy and wise?
I think cop on is more important.

And I do believe I have more cop on than the ones who want to continue as is.
We have seen what has transpired in other countries, but yet you think it will be different here or worse still you actually refuse to see the issues in other countries.
Either way it reminds me of Einsteins famous remark.

BTW your old superiority complex is showing and it is a trait you share with lots of other proponents of so called multiculturalism and mass migration.

You think you are superior and that you can change these people.
Sure give them a warm welcome, a free home, welfare, healthcare, education and they will forget their backward ways, their bigoted attitudes, their hatreds.
In the past these immigrants actual did but then again there weren't the preponderance of excusors waiting to give them a free pass on acting like they were back home.

But the real scary thing is some of their kids buy in the shyte hook line and sinker once something doesn't go their way in life.
All the education, all the tax payer funded largese still can't stop them hating their fellow countrymen.

It worked for the Irish because that s how certain members the British and the US population saw our ancestors and we didn t do too badly with our religious morality our veiled women and our pisheogs.

Earthsnotflat

The obvious but very inconvenient problem is with oppressive religion more so that immigrants themselves. Islam is oppressive, primarily for Muslims, they can hardly choose whether to follow it or not, they risk their lives if they deny it, for most modern decent Muslims it's probably about customs and traditions but truth is they just can't sign out of it. This religion requires total submission, no way out

Danzy

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You think your place of origin is a good indicator of your character?

Your culture and belief system usually defines the character.


What we think of as good or human rights is defined by our European tradition and cultural framework, in much of the world, much of it is seen as profoundly wrong, even evil.

So for the purpose of this, roughly yes. Up to the dominance of neoliberalism, that was axiomatic.

Earthsnotflat

Danzy wrote: »

Your culture and belief system usually defines the character.


What we think of as good or human rights is defined by our European tradition and cultural framework

That statement implies that there's no universal notion of good and evil. But every human being (mentally able)has the innate ability to judge what is wrong and what not, I mean basics like murder or love, that's not disputable. What to do with this knowledge is other thing and that's depends on given politics, what's profitable, what's in someone's interest, whether to belong to majority way of thinking and profit or to minority and to loose some benefit like inclusion etc etc

Dannyriver

Danzy wrote: »

Your culture and belief system usually defines the character.


What we think of as good or human rights is defined by our European tradition and cultural framework, in much of the world, much of it is seen as profoundly wrong, even evil.

So for the purpose of this, roughly yes. Up to the dominance of neoliberalism, that was axiomatic.

What a desperately myopic point of view for an adult to have.

Captain Obvious

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Your culture and belief system usually defines the character.


What we think of as good or human rights is defined by our European tradition and cultural framework, in much of the world, much of it is seen as profoundly wrong, even evil.

So for the purpose of this, roughly yes. Up to the dominance of neoliberalism, that was axiomatic.

Do you apply that only on a national scale or would you also apply it on a more local scale too?