Gun attack at Christmas market, Strasbourg.

ConnyMcDavid

https://twitter.com/CrooksLDavid/status/1072676835555770368?s=19

Filmed 2 hours before attack at the very spot.

Danzy

topper75 wrote: »

This. And a throw in a fetish for the ethnic. An ethnic culture that must be defended from would-be bullies - that is how they view islam. To attain this view attacks are put in a 'the west began it' frame.

Often these type of leftists want little to do with trade unions, zero hour contract issues, or squeezed workers. The unglamourous but authentic traditional left paradigm is a total yawn to them.

They will often resort to equally nuts paradigms to defend welfare layabouts, seeing them as 'the poor' from a Charles Dickens novel, again victims of nasty bullies that need a noble defender. The idea of proletariat is unlinked with actual labour and wages in their minds.

They are typically young (but not always) and very active online, chasing kudos and cachet through virtue signalling: "Look at me - I'm a good person".

We have a post working class left. A movement that is far removed from the concerns and reality of working class lives, of the concerns of most.

It has become about the activist, the proles are so passé.

Adamocovic

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You'll soon get the usual suspects harping on about how shameful this thread is as it's just an outlet for some to revel in their supposed "Islamophobia".

That yet again this attack was committed by one known to the police is yet another horrid reminder that governments throughout Europe are far too complacent about how they treat these watch lists.

RIP to the victims and may the attacker soon be put down.

I lived in France until recently and had been talking to a few people I know there about this. Like you I thought it was crazy that another watch list person was able to commit an attack and questioned how they handle the list.

The people I talked to regarding the list said the people are always said to be on their watch list as the list is so massive. It's not only terrorist, but radical politicians and major criminals. Now obviously opinion varies person to person but found this odd.

What they were questioning was how he got into the market armed. I don't know the exact details but one person from the area told me it's closed off to all vehicles and heavily guarded by armed police/army with pat down searches at the entry points. So for him to be able to commit what he did and get away was something they were questioning. No doubt there is or will be a full explaination of what happened, have to say I haven't looked into articles much just general discussion.

I think this one is even more frustrating considering the failed arrest attempt beforehand. Terrorist attacks are a threat now all over Europe but I must say France seems to be one of the most common for this. Not sure exactly how they handle the threats and exactly how they can improve on it but no doubt they are looking into it.

yoke

Omackeral wrote: »

We know Anders Brevik by name because he isn't the norm when it comes to this type of atrocity. How many of the Islamist killers that caused havoc through Europe do any of us know by name? Brevik is pretty much the exception to the rule on this, from a fundamental point of view.

I know Breiviks name because it was on the news for months. No other reason.

What about that guy who shot a bunch of people at the mosque?

theguzman

yoke wrote: »

I know Breiviks name because it was on the news for months. No other reason.

What about that guy who shot a bunch of people at the mosque?

Breivik actually forecast that this would happen, instead of targetting those he perceived as his enemy he instead killed dozens of schoolkids on an island in Norway. He murdered 77 people which gave him the fame and notoriety. It's scary to think that because of Norway's liberal justice system he will be released in a little over 10 years time.

p1akuw47h5r3it

yoke wrote: »

Why would you completely discount something like the existence of lots of racist bands as good evidence of racism existing in that society? Is there a logic to the type of evidence you will count?

I discount it as evidence that there is a major problem of racism, which is what you said. I never said there was no racism. Be more careful with your wording.

yoke wrote: »

You keep making stupid statements like “Most victims of knife crime in London are not some innocent people going about their business” without taking into account that most “innocent people” who have “business” have enough money to stay away from ****hole areas like Brixton, while the “innocent people” who stay in places like that quite often can’t get jobs and end up in a downward spiral of having to defend themselves against these idiots with knives, so they carry knives themselves, etc.

Carrying a knife* is a criminal offence in Britain, so yes they are not innocent people if carrying one by definition. The best way to defend yourself from a knife attack is to run away, carrying one yourself will do very little to help you as you'll either get stabbed or stab someone else resulting in a more serious crime being committed.

yoke wrote: »

Stabbing one person isn’t a spree. Wow. How many is a spree then? Does it have to be all in the same week, or is it OK to spread out the stabbings over a year?

A spree indicates multiple victims i.e. more than one over a short period of time. Very easy to understand actually.

yoke wrote: »

A little bit of thought and you would easily realize that the reason the people who go on sprees, go on sprees, is because they know they’ll be caught and stopped. The same type of people exist in Brixton who know they won’t be caught and won’t be stopped, so they don’t need to go on sprees, they just stab whoever they like for looking at them wrong

So it's nothing to do with racism then, they just do it because they won't get caught is it? You are just making stuff up now.. How often do people go on stabbing sprees in Brixton and not get caught, now that you actually know it's definition?

*unless it has a folding blade 3 inches long or less

jmayo

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Always previously known to police the victims' families should be taken legal action against these looney leftwing governments.:(

Sonics2k wrote: »

Here's what really get's me about this whole thing.

So, so often in the cases of these shootings the culprit is known to the police. Far too often they don't make a move on the person as they're hoping to get the ringleaders or higher up members of these terrorist organisations.

These killings could have been stopped had the authorities taken action sooner and locked this guy up.

It's also very wrong to say "send him back where he came from", because extremely often we find out the person happens to be born and raised in the area and is not a migrant. They are often the children of happily settled migrants who have never, and would never, commit these kinds of atrocities.

I have no issue with migrants or refugees who come here to work, but honestly I say string up the terrorists and to hell with their rights.

Do you realise just how many extremists are on their watch lists.

And do you realise how many attacks they have prevented.
They tried to catch him and it was obvious from what was left at his flat that he had something much bigger planned.
They do have questions to answer as to whether he escaped through bad operation of pot luck.

I think to stop a lot of the spread of fundamentalism they need to stop the funding by the Gulf and Arabian states.
Oh and segregation in prisons.

Staunch islamic teaching and religion is incompatible with secular western democracies.
The sooner everyone cops on to this the better for all of us.

yoke wrote: »

Why is that the most important point?

Is there some sort of points scoring system in place, where you get negative points for Anders Breivik and that guy who ran over a bunch of people in Charlottesville and that guy who killed a bunch of people in a mosque, compared to positive points if the attack was carried out by an ethnic minority guy?

Ah yes the stock go to counter response answer of Anders Brevik.

Much like the go to of fundamentalist christians in Uganda and the Westboro baptist church. :rolleyes:

Dannyriver

weldoninhio wrote: »

Were there many German extremists around Ireland after 1945 after they were interned during the war?? Many Japanese extremists in the US after internment after Pearl Harbour?

Historians generally view the period of internment as inflaming sectarian tensions in Northern Ireland, while failing in its goal of arresting key members of the IRA. Many of the people arrested had no links whatsoever with the IRA, but their names appeared on the list of those to be arrested through bungling and incompetence. The list's lack of reliability and the arrests that followed, complemented by reports of internees being abused far in excess of the usual state violence,[7] led to more nationalists identifying with the IRA and losing hope in non-violent methods. After Operation Demetrius, recruits came forward in huge numbers to join the Provisional and Official wings of the IRA.[19] Internment also led to a sharp increase in violence. In the eight months before the operation, there were 34 conflict-related deaths in Northern Ireland. In the four months following it, 140 were killed.[19] A serving officer of the British Royal Marines declared:

It (internment) has, in fact, increased terrorist activity, perhaps boosted IRA recruitment, polarised further the Catholic and Protestant communities and reduced the ranks of the much needed Catholic moderates.[21]

In terms of loss of life, 1972 was the most violent year of the Troubles. The fatal march on Bloody Sunday (30 January 1972) in Derry, when 14 unarmed civil rights protesters were shot dead by British paratroopers, was an anti-internment march.

James Brown

fatbhoy wrote: »

It wakes people up to the threat Islam poses to Europe. And people need waking.

What about the terrorists/ISIS etc, surely we should be minding them? What ever about your personal issues with Islam. How do you feel about Seventh day Adventists, a menace?

James Brown

Omackeral wrote: »

We know Anders Brevik by name because he isn't the norm when it comes to this type of atrocity. How many of the Islamist killers that caused havoc through Europe do any of us know by name? Brevik is pretty much the exception to the rule on this, from a fundamental point of view.

All combined, did they kill as many as him? Not going on numbers, it was the scale brought him his notoriety, also killing within his own demographic.

weldoninhio

Dannyriver wrote: »

Historians generally view the period of internment as inflaming sectarian tensions in Northern Ireland, while failing in its goal of arresting key members of the IRA. Many of the people arrested had no links whatsoever with the IRA, but their names appeared on the list of those to be arrested through bungling and incompetence. The list's lack of reliability and the arrests that followed, complemented by reports of internees being abused far in excess of the usual state violence,[7] led to more nationalists identifying with the IRA and losing hope in non-violent methods. After Operation Demetrius, recruits came forward in huge numbers to join the Provisional and Official wings of the IRA.[19] Internment also led to a sharp increase in violence. In the eight months before the operation, there were 34 conflict-related deaths in Northern Ireland. In the four months following it, 140 were killed.[19] A serving officer of the British Royal Marines declared:

It (internment) has, in fact, increased terrorist activity, perhaps boosted IRA recruitment, polarised further the Catholic and Protestant communities and reduced the ranks of the much needed Catholic moderates.[21]

In terms of loss of life, 1972 was the most violent year of the Troubles. The fatal march on Bloody Sunday (30 January 1972) in Derry, when 14 unarmed civil rights protesters were shot dead by British paratroopers, was an anti-internment march.

Well done on learning to copy and paste from Wiki.

Catholic’s in NI were treated as second class citizens, which meant that when internment was brought in there was a ready made body of people to step into the breach as they were all feeling the force of the British occupation.

No Muslims in Europe are treated as second class citizens, or given less rights than others. We are constantly told that the “lone wolf” terrorists are in the minority. We are constantly told that the vast majority of Muslims are moderate and are against the terrorism.

So there should not be anyone to step into the breach if these animals are interned. If we follow the logic of the left.

Dannyriver

weldoninhio wrote: »

Well done on learning to copy and paste from Wiki.

Catholic’s in NI were treated as second class citizens, which meant that when internment was brought in there was a ready made body of people to step into the breach as they were all feeling the force of the British occupation.

No Muslims in Europe are treated as second class citizens, or given less rights than others. We are constantly told that the “lone wolf” terrorists are in the minority. We are constantly told that the vast majority of Muslims are moderate and are against the terrorism.

So there should not be anyone to step into the breach if these animals are interned. If we follow the logic of the left.

By leaving the reference markers in , it was quite obvious i was cutting and pasting, if you d like me to put it in to my own words, I haven't time.

As for no Muslims in Europe are treated as second class citizens 1] so you suggest treating them as second class citizens by ****ing them into handy internment camps. Seriously? Radicalize every teenage Muslim in the western world? Do you really think innocent people would not be interned if the cops had their way 2] re Muslims aren't treated as second class citizens in Europe..tell that to the Algerians ****ed into ghettos on the outskirts of Paris or Marseilles after the French pillaged their natural resources for centuries. Neither the past nor the present live in a vacumn...Violence is the mother of violence always was always will be.

fatbhoy

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What about the terrorists/ISIS etc, surely we should be minding them? What ever about your personal issues with Islam. How do you feel about Seventh day Adventists, a menace?

Cop on. Do they go around despising The West, our women, and our values/culture? Do they want everyone to submit to Islam? Do they want to kill Kuffirs? Do they want to eliminate The West? Do they want to do you harm because you don't believe in what they believe in?

TomSweeney

inforfun wrote: »

Here is his mug:



Born in Strassbourg in 1989
As usual, a quiet, nice guy apart from the time when he ended up in jail for giving some one a new face with a bottle.
Since 2016 on the watchlist
Yesterday morning an attempt to arrest him was made which didnt go wel but granades were found in his house.
Before he ended up in prison in 2011 he was already involved in crime and has convicitions in Germany as well.

Upstanding European citizen as you can see who now killed 3 and wounded 13, 8 of them serious.

But but but he was a good Muslim ?

TomSweeney

twinytwo wrote: »

Agreed, people do not realise how big the problem actually is.

Id say 99% of these guys are stopped before they can do any damage.

However this will continue while the pc and sjw brigades scream the loudest about their agendas. Open borders and multiculturalism have never and will never work

Islam has no place in europe.

Irony is it's these "liberals" whose lives will be effected the most when Sharia law finally comes mainstream.


Johnny and Dave walking down O connell street hand in hand ? oh how sweet ... throw em off liberty hall ..

TomSweeney

He'll be holed up in a Muslim neighborhood in some European city - and all the residents will know who he is and what he did - for months before he's caught.

And the left will defend defend defend.

TomSweeney

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1073006857076310016

wakka12

How large scale would this 'devastating' chemical attack be? LIke anthrax or purposely spreading a disease in water supply or something?

FTA69

Danzy wrote: »

We have a post working class left. A movement that is far removed from the concerns and reality of working class lives, of the concerns of most.

It has become about the activist, the proles are so passé.

I probably disagree with you about everything but you’re right in this regard. My mate who is an RMT Union activist went on sky news to do an opinion piece about the papers headlines etc, the commentariat reacted like he was a chimney sweep who crashed the hunt ball. And that was just the lefties, laughing at his accent and cos he had the temerity to say he voted Leave.

s7ryf3925pivug

Most religions take the position that their members are righteous and non-members are bad. Once people operate from a position of assumed moral authority they can do the most evil acts.

Omackeral

TomSweeney wrote: »

But but but he was a good Muslim ?

Obviously someone was mean to him so it's not solely his fault.

weldoninhio

Dannyriver wrote: »

By leaving the reference markers in , it was quite obvious i was cutting and pasting, if you d like me to put it in to my own words, I haven't time.

As for no Muslims in Europe are treated as second class citizens 1] so you suggest treating them as second class citizens by ****ing them into handy internment camps. Seriously? Radicalize every teenage Muslim in the western world? Do you really think innocent people would not be interned if the cops had their way 2] re Muslims aren't treated as second class citizens in Europe..tell that to the Algerians ****ed into ghettos on the outskirts of Paris or Marseilles after the French pillaged their natural resources for centuries. Neither the past nor the present live in a vacumn...Violence is the mother of violence always was always will be.

I didn’t know France had travelled to Algeria and forced citizens to move from there to Paris or Marseilles. Have you a link for that??

The left constantly tell us that the moderates are against these attacks. Why would terrorists being arrested radicalise them?? You can’t have it both ways.

enricoh

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1073006857076310016

If i was on twitter, id follow her for the craic! Gotta be some more gems out of her!
Maybe they are just moving with the times luv, a swordsman on horseback doesnt cut it in 2018. Too much training needed anyway!

engiweirdo

TomSweeney wrote: »

He'll be holed up in a Muslim neighborhood in some European city - and all the residents will know who he is and what he did - for months before he's caught.

And the left will defend defend defend.

The first part of this in particular is horrific because it's ultimately very true. The "religion of peace" will have attendees at peace marches and speakers on tv citing "it's not all muslims", while depraved animals like the murderer in question are allowed to hide in plain sight among the many enclaves in modern Europe.

weldoninhio

Good to see security is taken seriously here. Unattended backpack at a busy DART station during rush hour. Irish rail are informed of it, so retweet it, rather than anything else.

pjohnson

weldoninhio wrote: »

Good to see security is taken seriously here. Unattended backpack at a busy DART station during rush hour. Irish rail are informed of it, so retweet it, rather than anything else.

Well with Agent weldon on twitter and boards Ireland will be safe

p1akuw47h5r3it

enricoh wrote: »

If i was on twitter, id follow her for the craic! Gotta be some more gems out of her!
Maybe they are just moving with the times luv, a swordsman on horseback doesnt cut it in 2018. Too much training needed anyway!

It's a parody account

TomSweeney

enricoh wrote: »

If i was on twitter, id follow her for the craic! Gotta be some more gems out of her!
Maybe they are just moving with the times luv, a swordsman on horseback doesnt cut it in 2018. Too much training needed anyway!

It's a parody account, one of the best on twitter.

weldoninhio

pjohnson wrote: »

Well with Agent weldon on twitter and boards Ireland will be safe

I don’t think pointing out how lax we are makes me an Agent.

p1akuw47h5r3it

TomSweeney wrote: »

It's a parody account, one of the best on twitter.

I don't think anything will ever beat Godfrey Elwick though

Dannyriver

weldoninhio wrote: »

I didn’t know France had travelled to Algeria and forced citizens to move from there to Paris or Marseilles. Have you a link for that??

The left constantly tell us that the moderates are against these attacks. Why would terrorists being arrested radicalise them?? You can’t have it both ways.

That just shows a lack of imagination or maybe empathy but most certainly a strong phobia of history books. You do know that the Algerians living in these places didn't travel there yeah? They were born and raised there sons and daughters of men and women who fought for France in the first and second world wars. They are French ctizens, you know like Zidane, Mbappe .

The left constantly tell us that the moderates are against these attacks. Why would terrorists being arrested radicalise them??

Again the deficit of imagination is palpable....Are you even aware of our own history? Did you know that when the declaration was read out by Pearce in 1916 most of the people in Ireland were indifferent to moderate and when the Brits decided to teach them a lesson they had a war on their hands. Ill repeat what I said above, violence is the mother of violence always was always will be.

weldoninhio

Dannyriver wrote: »

That just shows a lack of imagination or maybe empathy but most certainly a strong phobia of history books. You do know that the Algerians living in these places didn't travel there yeah? They were born and raised there sons and daughters of men and women who fought for France in the first and second world wars. They are French ctizens, you know like Zidane, Mbappe .

The left constantly tell us that the moderates are against these attacks. Why would terrorists being arrested radicalise them??

Again the deficit of imagination is palpable....Are you even aware of our own history? Did you know that when the declaration was read out by Pearce in 1916 most of the people in Ireland were indifferent to moderate and when the Brits decided to teach them a lesson they had a war on their hands. Ill repeat what I said above, violence is the mother of violence always was always will be.

So when you said Algerians who were "fcuked into ghettoes", you meant French people living in France??

Dannyriver

weldoninhio wrote: »

So when you said Algerians who were "fcuked into ghettoes", you meant French people living in France??

Yes that s exactly what I meant. Now if you can figure out the sub text you ll get my point completely.

weldoninhio

Dannyriver wrote: »

Yes that s exactly what I meant. Now if you can figure out the sub text you ll get my point completely.

Why don't they get jobs and climb the social ladder and move out of the ghetto, or move to another EU country if they can't get a job in France?? They have the exact same rights as anyone else in France/the EU.

Dannyriver

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why don't they get jobs and climb the social ladder and move out of the ghetto, or move to another EU country if they can't get a job in France?? They have the exact same rights as anyone else in France/the EU.

I see, so you missed the subtext. As I said a strong deficit of imagination, empathy and an aversion to history books.

Omackeral

Dannyriver wrote: »

I see, so you missed the subtext. As I said a strong deficit of imagination, empathy and an aversion to history books.

People tend to run out of that when innocents get slaughtered in the name of religion.

weldoninhio

Dannyriver wrote: »

I see, so you missed the subtext. As I said a strong deficit of imagination, empathy and an aversion to history books.

Explain this subtext. Should I hate all English people because of the famine, NI, 800 years of oppression of my ancestors etc?? because i'm pretty over it. Or is it just people of a different hue that still hold this "subtext"??

Dannyriver

Omackeral wrote: »

People tend to run out of that when innocents get slaughtered in the name of religion.

Im not talking about empathy for criminals, Im talking about empathy for the innocents that get blamed for the acts of criminals and how society and governments reconcile the issue.

Dannyriver

weldoninhio wrote: »

Explain this subtext. Should I hate all English people because of the famine, NI, etc?? because i'm pretty over it. Or is it just people of a different hue that still hold this "subtext"??

I'm not here to explain basic sociological/historical theory read a ****ing book will you.

weldoninhio

Dannyriver wrote: »

I'm not here to explain basic sociological/historical theory read a ****ing book will you.

:rolleyes:

Pelvis

Sonics2k wrote: »

These killings could have been stopped had the authorities taken action sooner and locked this guy up.

Lock him up for what?

mad muffin

Wanted dead or alive… time to mount up!

Graces7

All this and the state of the world makes me very very glad to be not just in Ireland but on a small island often cut off by our weather..

aidoh

mad muffin wrote: »

Wanted dead or alive… time to mount up!

All we need is money, a little time and a GODDAMN plan

John Sacrimoni

Pelvis wrote: »

Lock him up for what?

Should have kept him in jail for the maximum amount of time possible for any one of the armed robberys he commited. Maybe this could of been avoided then.

SnakePlissken

Pelvis wrote: »

Lock him up for what?

I don't know chief, 27 prior convictions for violent crimes, on an S-Watch-list since 2015 for his fanaticism, but locking up would be against his Human Rights... and his victims? You don't give a damn about those now do you?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Graces7 wrote: »

All this and the state of the world makes me very very glad to be not just in Ireland but on a small island often cut off by our weather..

Think you have the right idea.

It's my dream to retire to an Irish offshore island.

4068ac1elhodqr

Graces7 wrote: »

All this and the state of the world makes me very very glad to be not just in Ireland but on a small island often cut off by our weather..

Guess it depends on what you hope to achieve? Would it be lower crime levels, less multiculturalism, escaping stressful modern european lifestyles, more privacy etc.

Whilst places such as Rathlin have very low crime, not long ago they got CCTV installed at the harbour (due to European legislation). Some residents later discovered that they had been filmed in their home sitting rooms by these 360o zoom cameras, and thus complained to the council (who investigated themselves) about clear privacy breaches. Due to Brexit, some there are now seeking to join Scotland.

And while the new Mosque on the Island of Lewis (bult within 8wks), is largely very well received by the population and most community leaders. The Minister of the Free Church in Stornoway, is opposed to the new building, and by calling it a 'false religion' might community tension. A few other local priests also refused to visit, stating the don't any backlash from their own community by doing so.

vicwatson

Graces7 wrote: »

All this and the state of the world makes me very very glad to be not just in Ireland but on a small island often cut off by our weather..

But you have internet :cool:

Pelvis

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I don't know chief, 27 prior convictions for violent crimes, on an S-Watch-list since 2015 for his fanaticism, but locking up would be against his Human Rights... and his victims?

Presumably his previous crimes were dealt with within the boundaries the law allows. Do you know something we don't?

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You don't give a damn about those now do you?

Calm down pet, you're gonna burst a blood vessel.