Brexit Discussion Thread VI

Hurrache · 15-01-2019 9:14pm

Deluded Johnson's plan is to tell the EU they're getting rid of the backstop and want a Canada+ deal.

Headshot · 15-01-2019 9:15pm

Im listening to the DUP on BBC.

Isn't it amazing a party wanting to leave the UK while NI voted to remain in Europe. It's disgusting

Captain Obvious · 15-01-2019 9:15pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Have any analysts churned out the no-confidence numbers yet?

Don't Tory members have to give up the whip to go against her? Can't see it happening. I think the most likely scenario is a postponement of the deadline. We may see May or Corbyn gone by weeks end too.

Irishmale0399 · 15-01-2019 9:16pm

Could they not ring Donald and ask him if he wants a new location to build his wall.

On a more serious note....the EU now has to stay hard and not give them an inch. Making consessions now would only encourage countries such as Spain, Greece or Italy to consider leaving themselves....sure they will get what they want in the end.

If anything the EU has to say....off you go now, we made you an offer which we both aggreed on and you turned it down. Should the UK want to remain the EU has to tell them to pay as a full member, no more special deals etc......the UK has to join the Euro.....make them suffer for their stupidy and make them realise how easy they had it up to now.

Firefox11 · 15-01-2019 9:16pm

There are hoping to blackmail Ireland with a no deal in order to drop the backstop.

Hurrache · 15-01-2019 9:16pm

MarkHenderson wrote: »

Delighted with the result. Hopefully now the UK can get on with the business of leaving the EU as soon as possible.

Eh, how when there's absolutely no agreement to what they want. Unless you want a no deal.

Adamcp898 · 15-01-2019 9:16pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Have any analysts churned out the no-confidence numbers yet?

No numbers but can't see them losing it. Don't see any Tories scrambling for the ballot box, and even fewer dieing to be leader

Seth Brundle · 15-01-2019 9:16pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Deluded Johnson's plan is to tell the EU they're getting rid of the backstop and want a Canada+ deal.

Who in the EU is listening to what he has to say?

Beechwoodspark · 15-01-2019 9:17pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Deluded Johnson's plan is to tell the EU they're getting rid of the backstop and want a Canada+ deal.

It’s all a game to him. He wants the spotlight.

MarkHenderson · 15-01-2019 9:17pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Eh, how when there's absolutely no agreement to what they want. Unless you want a no deal.

Hopefully that's what happens.

Hurrache · 15-01-2019 9:18pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Who in the EU is listening to what he has to say?

Unfortunately his audience are those in the UK that believe this sort of thing.

RoryMac · 15-01-2019 9:18pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Have any analysts churned out the no-confidence numbers yet?

No actual numbers just that it is almost certain to fail

Imreoir2 · 15-01-2019 9:19pm

Notorious wrote: »

Price of the pound is bouncing back up after dropping pre-vote. Suggests traders think the UK will remain or at the least the timeline will be stretched.

Markets clearly reading this as meaning that Brexit won't happen and I'm inclined to agree with them. "Britain Leaves the EU" headline is looking like little more than an April Fools joke at this point.

boggerman1 · 15-01-2019 9:21pm

Headshot wrote: »

Im listening to the DUP on BBC.

Isn't it amazing a party wanting to leave the UK while NI voted to remain in Europe. It's disgusting

Sammy threatening the EU.hopefully at the next election up north the protestant farmers dump the dup forever.they reap what they sow.an astonishing margin of defeat for the may bot

Adamcp898 · 15-01-2019 9:22pm

Boris showing why it should've been him negotiating all along. She just didn't have a "high enough heart". Poor soul.

"Keep the good bits, get rid of the backstop, and prepare for a no deal" - Glad you cleared up your position there Boris.

Topgear on Dave · 15-01-2019 9:23pm

boggerman1 wrote: »

Sammy threatening the EU.hopefully at the next election up north the protestant farmers dump the dup forever.they reap what they sow.an astonishing margin of defeat for the may bot

Any normal democracy they would get whacked but they'll just come out with a scare story about SF getting in and they'll fly it.....

Inquitus · 15-01-2019 9:23pm

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Markets clearly reading this as meaning that Brexit won't happen and I'm inclined to agree with them. "Britain Leaves the EU" headline is looking like little more than an April Fools joke at this point.

I fúcking hope so, I think that's closer tonight, but anything can happen.

Rjd2 · 15-01-2019 9:23pm

RoryMac wrote: »

No actual numbers just that it is almost certain to fail

Ladbrokes are 1/50 for the government to survive it and 12/1 for them not to.

So while politics betting can be tough, not quite sure how she loses it.

The hardcore remainers loath Jez and they know the tory voters would never forgive them for voting against the government.

Spanish Eyes · 15-01-2019 9:23pm

Awaiting comment from Vlad and Coveney, when they get over the shock of this vote that they knew well would be lost. :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, they played a good, solid, calm game. But where will Ireland be now if there is a NO DEAL.

Enzokk · 15-01-2019 9:24pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Many conservatives would vote for it. Labour also. But it requires a degree of testicular fortitude that very few in the HoC have displayed so far.

It's the only sane response to the current stalemate that doesn't extend this debacle for another year or more. And I sense that the EU are really not interested in extending A50. It's eaten up too much time and energy so far and the logjam isn't in their control anyway.

The challenge must be to get it tabled and a vote on it. What would the procedure be to get that done in the HoC?

alexmalalex wrote: »

My guess is that this agreement is not the "real" agreement. Behind the scenes I would assume that negotiations have been ongoing since Dec 11th. They always knew that the arithmetic was against them.

So, I think what we will see is some shape shifting over the next week, a likely extension of the deadline, and another vote in a month or so on the real deal.

No question, they will win the confidence vote - the last thing anyone wants is a GE least of all Labour and the DUP

There is no agreement in the HoC for any deal though. Labour will not vote for any deal Theresa May brings back as they are in opposition, unless it is the softest of Brexits. But then the DUP will screw her on a crucial vote if she does bring back a deal they are not happy with, which is a hard Brexit. And there is no majority for a hard Brexit either.

Chaos.

Water John · 15-01-2019 9:25pm

this rejection was inevitable. The surprise is the 230. TM's Deal is dead like Chequers.
the Vote of Confidence comes next. Likely to be defeated. Moving towards a peoples vote.
No Deal Crash Out is a long way away, no need for panic.

Seth Brundle · 15-01-2019 9:26pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But where will Ireland be now if there is a NO DEAL.

Better prepared than the UK!

Hurrache · 15-01-2019 9:27pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Unfortunately his audience are those in the UK that believe this sort of thing.

He's now on Sky News talking about surgically remove the backstop from the WA and going back to the EU.

J Mysterio · 15-01-2019 9:27pm

Johnson on Sky News saying go back to EU and renegotiate in the 60, 70 odd days. Keep the bits we want and get rid of the rest. Forget the backstop. Fantastic Boris, thanks.

Imreoir2 · 15-01-2019 9:27pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Awaiting comment from Vlad and Coveney, when they get over the shock of this vote that they knew well would be lost. :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, they played a good, solid, calm game. But where will Ireland be now if there is a NO DEAL.

Brexit is on deaths door. There won't be a no-deal, there will be another atempt to get the deal passed and when that fails, it will be time to pull the plug on the whole sordid affair.

Hurrache · 15-01-2019 9:29pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Awaiting comment from Vlad and Coveney, when they get over the shock of this vote that they knew well would be lost. :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, they played a good, solid, calm game. But where will Ireland be now if there is a NO DEAL.

Still somewhere between mainland UK and America.

devnull · 15-01-2019 9:29pm

Boris has come on just now and said that it's easy to fix.

Keep the bits you like and surgically remove the bits you don't and you'll have a deal.

Relatively simple he says, and it can be done with plenty of time to spare.

Still it seems Boris needs to be taught what the words compromise and agreement mean..

fash · 15-01-2019 9:29pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Awaiting comment from Vlad and Coveney, when they get over the shock of this vote that they knew well would be lost. :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, they played a good, solid, calm game. But where will Ireland be now if there is a NO DEAL.

Munching on popcorn and waiting for the UK government to collapse and be replaced with one willing to sign up to a backstop ( especially since at that point, remainers will have to face the fact that the UK is out).

Beechwoodspark · 15-01-2019 9:30pm

devnull wrote: »

Boris has come on just now and said that it's easy to fix.

Keep the bits you like and surgically remove the bits you don't and you'll have a deal.

Now Sammy Wilson is on.

Johnson was plumbing new depths of idiocy in his interview.

Anyway. He’s not a serious figure. The main thing for him is media appearances.

Hurrache · 15-01-2019 9:30pm

devnull wrote: »

Boris has come on just now and said that it's easy to fix.

Keep the bits you like and surgically remove the bits you don't and you'll have a deal.

Now Sammy Wilson is on.

Had his ass handed to him by a SNP politician on Channel 4 earlier when he tried to bull****.

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