Brexit Discussion Thread VI

A Dub in Glasgo

Hurrache wrote: »

British politik continues on that downwards trajectory
https://twitter.com/DavidCoburnUKip/status/1085637096172335105?s=19

Ignore Coburn - he is a racist, unionist and an ignoramus

Donald Trump

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

During one of the referendums down here (Lisbon?) when there were lots of claims and counter-claims, there was more than one person who voted for it because "if SF are against it ..."

The only vote I could see SF voting in would be in the final one that removes NI from the UK, and even then it's unlikely.

Lady Silvia is the only Anti-Brexit MP from NI, even though they voted to remain and every organisation , apart from the DUP, want to remain in the EU.

Based on the figures 91% of Northern Irish votes are pro-Brexit and pro-hard border/no-deal. The NI voters vote for their representatives and those representatives go to London and vote on the public's behalf. And 91% of those representative votes are pro-Brexit.


There is no difference between an individual not using their vote in an election an MP not using their vote in Parliament. Not participating removes your right to moan about it afterwards. Especially if your vote could have changed the outcome.


If SF don't want to go. That's fine. If the voters up North are happy for them not to go then that is fine too. Just don't moan about it afterwards lads. Your decisions have consequences which are apparent and known from the outset.

BonnieSituation

Water John wrote: »

SNP, LibDems & Plaid Cumyru are also telling TM that she needs to take No Deal Brexit. They'll be telling her that tonight. Don't think there'll be any further talks until she does. Not a remarakably diff stance to Lb.

They'll tell her in the meeting like adults. And then likely leave. That's real politics.

(I'll stand corrected if they don't actually attend)

BonnieSituation

Donald Trump wrote: »

Based on the figures 91% of Northern Irish votes are pro-Brexit and pro-hard border/no-deal. The NI voters vote for their representatives and those representatives go to London and vote on the public's behalf. And 91% of those representative votes are pro-Brexit.


There is no difference between an individual not using their vote in an election an MP not using their vote in Parliament. Not participating removes your right to moan about it afterwards. Especially if your vote could have changed the outcome.


If SF don't want to go. That's fine. If the voters up North are happy for them not to go then that is fine too. Just don't moan about it afterwards lads. Your decisions have consequences which are apparent and known from the outset.

Outside of you and the few others on here who don't understand abstentionism, who are moaning?

Capt'n Midnight

Some people want a Hard Border, for the nostalgia d'know.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/01/16/as-good-an-argument-as-any-for-a-hard-border/

Water John

I can see Corbyn's dilemna. If he attends, May then says she consulted.
She has not indicated any willingness to compromise on her red lines despite yesterday's vote.

Hurrache

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Ignore Coburn - he is a racist, unionist and an ignoramus

Indeed he is!

joeysoap

Hopefully that vote tonight puts Corbin back in his box. 5 or 6 penalty kicks and he’s missed them all.

hotmail.com

May to make a statement at 10pm.

Perhaps a plea for unity? Bit late in the day.

alexmalalex

hotmail.com wrote: »

May to make a statement at 10pm.

Perhaps a plea for unity? Bit late in the day.

What is the statement?

Itssoeasy

So what's this statement that Theresa May is going to give at 10pm about then ?

An Ciarraioch

TM to make statement at 10 - presumably, she'll begin "Let me be clear", and proceed to be anything but so.

Donald Trump

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Outside of you and the few others on here who don't understand abstentionism, who are moaning?

What makes you think I'm moaning?


Just pointing out facts. Fairly useful things those.






(And if you want to hear moaning, just turn the volume on whenever MLMcD comes on the telly to whine on about the Irish government. Which she is entitled to do as an elected representative in the Republic. But she also has the unique position to be able to potentially directly influence what is happening in Westminister. Something none of the other party leaders in the Republic have)

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1085643801425784838

More twists?

Irishmale0399

Is it only me or are the UK forgetting that the EU have to aggree to change any further deals??? They all seem confident that they will pop into Brussels and tell the EU this is the deal...you have to accept it.

Really turning into a bigger joke by the minute, its a case of take the deal on offer or leave it.......surely soon the EU has to cut its ties and tell them to stop wasting their time and EU money.

BonnieSituation

Water John wrote: »

I can see Corbyn's dilemna. If he attends, May then says she consulted.
She has not indicated any willingness to compromise on her red lines despite yesterday's vote.

Absolutely; but at this stage go in and see what can be achieved. We know what the answer is but Lab PC, LD and the SNP can all exit and show the country a united front saying that this twaddle can't continue.

Though tbh I'm on the side of Vincent Cable and think that the end is nigh for Corbyn.

Hurrache

Whatever her statement is going to be, it'll be an anticlimax. That's one thing we've come to learn to expect from May every time something like this is announced.

lawred2

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1085643801425784838

More twists?

Nah

She's going to announce that she's going back to Brussels to renegotiate the agreement

Hurrah

BonnieSituation

Donald Trump wrote: »

What makes you think I'm moaning?


Just pointing out facts. Fairly useful things those.

You're complaining that a group of MPs that are only MPs solely on the basis that they are abstentionist have the temerity to be abstentionist.

wiggle16

Maybe she'll come out of Downing st to say that it was all a dream and there's no Brexit and everything is just fine....

Hurrache

lawred2 wrote: »

Nah

She's going to announce that she's going back to Brussels to renegotiate the agreement

Hurrah

The DUP have made it known that had their MPs not supported her in the no confidence vote she would have lost by 1 I think it was. It would not surprise me if she did say she wants further discussions around the backstop, under duress.

Then again, she could just say that no deal is off the table to put more pressure on labour.

devnull

According to Sky News, Labour now suggesting they will be prepared to keep putting forward no confidence proposals until they pass and they want to have one more crack at it very soon.

Other parties rounding on Labour now saying that they are acting badly by not implementing what was voted at their own party conference and that it's time to move on from such motions.

The way to deal with Corbyn's situation now is for his party to vote no confidence in him, but even if they do that the members will likely vote him back in as leaver which is laughable.

Meanwhile Labour have released another party political broadcast today to push for an election, guess what they don't talk about?

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1085584734959403008

RobMc59

DOCARCH wrote: »

Sammy Wilson to be new PM?

Nicola Sturgeon would be a great UK prime minister-certainly better than may or corbyn!

RMAOK

wiggle16 wrote: »

Maybe she'll come out of Downing st to say that it was all a dream and there's no Brexit and everything is just fine....

The old Bobby Ewing scenario...

Doubt Theresa may will say anything ground breaking tbh - probably just say she'll have more discussions with the EU :rolleyes:

Donald Trump

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You're complaining that a group of MPs that are only MPs solely on the basis that they are abstentionist have the temerity to be abstentionist.

Huh?


I'm not complaining about anything. If the right honourable representative for fart-on-sea doesn't turn up to Westminister, I don't care. If NI SF reps are not going to participate and they want to ignore what goes on in Westminister then they should do that. Just ignore it. Don't be going on to radio stations and TV giving interviews about something you don't care enough about to participate in. If they want to abstain on principle, then properly abstain. Don't be the hurler on the ditch roaring and shouting. If you don't want to be in the game, go do something else.





I'd say that they'd be a bit annoyed to be described as how you described them though

For Forks Sake

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

TM to make statement at 10 - presumably, she'll begin "Let me be clear", and proceed to be anything but so.

"We will take back control of our borders, our laws and our money" ad nauseum.

And something about fish.

seamus

Most likely more hot air, some call on all parties to unite in order to move forward and an accusation against the EU of putting the UK in this position by refusing to compromise.

Enzokk

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Is it only me or are the UK forgetting that the EU have to aggree to change any further deals??? They all seem confident that they will pop into Brussels and tell the EU this is the deal...you have to accept it.

Really turning into a bigger joke by the minute, its a case of take the deal on offer or leave it.......surely soon the EU has to cut its ties and tell them to stop wasting their time and EU money.

That seems to be the modus operandi for the UK before they go into a negotiations. They state what they want and act like it is all but done before they get brought back down to earth in the real world.

BonnieSituation

Donald Trump wrote: »

Huh?


I'm not complaining about anything. If the right honourable representative for fart-on-sea doesn't turn up to Westminister, I don't care. If NI SF reps are not going to participate and you want to ignore what goes on in Westminister then they should do that. Just ignore it. Don't be going on to radio stations and TV giving interviews about something you don't care enough about to participate in. If they want to abstain on principle, then properly abstain. Don't be the hurler on the ditch roaring and shouting. If you don't want to be in the game, go do something else.





I'd say that they'd be a bit annoyed to be described as how you described them though

I see. But you're not complaining.

Capt'n Midnight

Donald Trump wrote: »

Based on the figures 91% of Northern Irish votes are pro-Brexit and pro-hard border/no-deal. The NI voters vote for their representatives and those representatives go to London and vote on the public's behalf. And 91% of those representative votes are pro-Brexit.

91% ?

In 2015 the DUP got 184,260 votes in the GE out of a population of 1.847 million.

90% of the population DID NOT VOTE FOR THEM.