Brexit Discussion Thread VI

hill16bhoy

mickoneill31 wrote: »

I saw a post on Facebook today about Ireexit. It had 100% responses that were positive towards brexit. Stuff like, the Irish are waking up and they're not happy now that they have to pay.
I posted a reply saying most people in Ireland are positive towards the EU and linked to a recent poll.

I checked it back an hour later. My post is gone and I can't post anything else to the page. It's 100% Pro Brexit again. It's easy to keep people in a bubble in Facebook.

Censorship is the favourite tool of the self-proclaimed "pro-free speech" far right.

Just look at the way Gemma O'Doherty blocks everybody who disagrees with her on Twitter and Facebook.

Capt'n Midnight

Dytalus wrote: »

Wales comes out way more per head than the rest of the UK. NI is second, and still gets more than the UK average in terms of funding per head.

Anglesey is the poorest place in the UK. This was the view there back in November. Since then the Nuclear plant has been cancelled so 9,000 construction jobs won't be happening.

The port of Holyhead is the second busiest [ferry port] in the UK. A Hard Border might tempt Northern Ireland truckers to use Liverpool or Cairnryan instead.

A really Hard Border means they have even less choice. Northern Ireland hauliers can expect a total of 60 permits, each one linked to an individual vehicle, for a 12-month period.

eggman100

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Cameron and Osborne loved to sing from the EU-are-evil sheet. It was convenient as they could point towards the poor Greeks and blame the EU for UK's austerity and Osborne's nasty grab the cash and run policies (which May continue when she took over). That pair have a lot to answer for in turning folks against the EU and for creating the environment that led to Farage's whipped up dramas.

And now, no one seems to be talking straight or have the courage to admit to the UK public that any deal they manage to get will never match or be as good as the deal they have now.

That's because you don't understand that staying in under the current 'deal' is not leaving at all, you seem to not understand the reasons why we voted to leave the corrupt EU. We also never voted for any kind of deal, we voted to leave the entire EU and this was all explained in Camerons pamphlet of doom about all the terrible things that would happen if we left the ECJ,customs union etc.
It was all BS of course as has been proven because none of these terrible things have happened that we were told would do, just for voting to leave. The

EU economy is going down the toilet, the UK doing well and record low unemployment - we were were told millions would loose jobs, complete BS again of course.

Ireland should follow us out if you don't want to pay for Greece bailout MK2 plus Italy and Spain. How about also governing yourselves instead of Ireland being like a county council of your masters in EU government?

FrancieBrady

eggman100 wrote: »

That's because you don't understand that staying in under the current 'deal' is not leaving at all, you seem to not understand the reasons why we voted to leave the corrupt EU. We also never voted for any kind of deal, we voted to leave the entire EU and this was all explained in Camerons pamphlet of doom about all the terrible things that would happen if we left the ECJ,customs union etc.
It was all BS of course as has been proven because none of these terrible things have happened that we were told would do, just for voting to leave. The

EU economy is going down the toilet, the UK doing well and record low unemployment - we were were told millions would loose jobs, complete BS again of course.

Ireland should follow us out if you don't want to pay for Greece bailout MK2 plus Italy and Spain. How about also governing yourselves instead of Ireland being like a county council of your masters in EU government?

For what we get back in trade, investment and support I have no problem with us paying in.

The bleed of investment , jobs and businesses from the UK atm (and Brexit hasn't even happened yet) will show everybody else the dividend you get from being a member.

prawnsambo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For what we get back in trade, investment and support I have no problem with us paying in.

The bleed of investment , jobs and businesses from the UK atm (and Brexit hasn't even happened yet) will show everybody else the dividend you get from being a member.

Strong rumours that £650 billion worth of assets were shifted to Ireland from London last year. It might explain the sudden and unexplained rise in corporate tax receipts. Presumably more to follow.

But some one post wonder comes on here with their brexit central propaganda and expects us to believe it?

J Mysterio

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

He also longed for a United Ireland and preferred people in the South to people in the North.

Do you have any sources for this? My understanding is Churchill was extremely aggressive and antagonistic to Ireland.

Atlantic Dawn

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The port of Holyhead is the second busiest in the UK. A Hard Border might tempt Northern Ireland truckers to use Liverpool or Cairnryan instead.
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Holyhead is not even in the top 10 by tonnage though, see page 5...



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/762200/port-freight-statistics-2017.pdf

An Ciarraioch

J Mysterio wrote: »

Do you have any sources for this? My understanding is Churchill was extremely aggressive and antagonistic to Ireland.

Not to mention that he first devised the Black and Tans, when a Liberal.

ThePanjandrum

Water John wrote: »

I hadn't realised it but it's more than ironic that Churchill, who all the Brexiteers worship, in 1952 was calling for a United States of Europe. Boris Johnson thinks he's stepping into his shoes.

Why do you assume that all Brexiters worship Churchill? They don't.

But Churchill didn't want the United Kingdom to be part of it

The first step is to form a Council of Europe.

If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.

The salvation of the common people of every race and of every land from war or servitude must be established on solid foundations and must be guarded by the readiness of all men and women to die rather than submit to tyranny.

In all this urgent work, France and Germany must take the lead together.

Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America, and I trust Soviet Russia - for then indeed all would be well - must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live and shine.

http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html

Christy42

Anyone else been getting forms mentioning insurance has changed companies due to Brexit?

I got it for some jewelry and some electronics. Apparently some stores use underwriters in the UK/Gibraltar when they offer you insurance for whatever your purchase is. So letters have come in saying it has been switched to somewhere in the EU away from the previous one with Brexit as the reason given as they are unsure of how these laws about insuring across different countries will work.

Presumably happening for people in the UK as well if an electronics store in England used a German underwriter they may have to switch out to a UK one.

Would love to know if there is enough of these for a serious effect (especially as the underwriters seem to specialise in this sort of insurance) and which way the cash is flowing here.

jm08

RobMc59 wrote: »

The point about smuggling is a fair point but that's not all Spain are complaining about(they want Gibraltar) and in view of the disputed enclaves in Morocco(which I thought had been ceded!) is massive hypocrisy

Those cities have been part of Spain since 15th century. I suppose its a bit like the relationship that Northern Ireland has with GB, bearing in mind that the citizens of those cities are non-moslem and I'd imagine the citizens of those cities want to remain members of the EU, just as we have to accept that there is still a majority in Northern Ireland who want to remain part of the UK.

BonnieSituation

Christy42 wrote: »

Anyone else been getting forms mentioning insurance has changed companies due to Brexit?

I got it for some jewelry and some electronics. Apparently some stores use underwriters in the UK/Gibraltar when they offer you insurance for whatever your purchase is. So letters have come in saying it has been switched to somewhere in the EU away from the previous one with Brexit as the reason given as they are unsure of how these laws about insuring across different countries will work.

Presumably happening for people in the UK as well if an electronics store in England used a German underwriter they may have to switch out to a UK one.

Would love to know if there is enough of these for a serious effect (especially as the underwriters seem to specialise in this sort of insurance) and which way the cash is flowing here.

I work for a large British insurance company and we are changing a boatload of our domiciles.

Most of it is to officially take affect from Feb 1st.

Most people will start to get notifications soon enough from us or as they are being renewed.

prawnsambo

Christy42 wrote: »

Anyone else been getting forms mentioning insurance has changed companies due to Brexit?

I got it for some jewelry and some electronics. Apparently some stores use underwriters in the UK/Gibraltar when they offer you insurance for whatever your purchase is. So letters have come in saying it has been switched to somewhere in the EU away from the previous one with Brexit as the reason given as they are unsure of how these laws about insuring across different countries will work.

Presumably happening for people in the UK as well if an electronics store in England used a German underwriter they may have to switch out to a UK one.

Would love to know if there is enough of these for a serious effect (especially as the underwriters seem to specialise in this sort of insurance) and which way the cash is flowing here.

Pretty much every underwriter that is based in London has now opened an office in another EU state if they didn't already have one. And have shifted all their EU business there. Dublin has got a few and then pretty much all the financial centres around Europe.

Big names like AIG, Allianz, Chubb, Lloyds etc.

ThePanjandrum

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Anglesey is the poorest place in the UK. This was the view there back in November. Since then the Nuclear plant has been cancelled so 9,000 construction jobs won't be happening.

The port of Holyhead is the second busiest in the UK. A Hard Border might tempt Northern Ireland truckers to use Liverpool or Cairnryan instead.

A really Hard Border means they have even less choice. Northern Ireland hauliers can expect a total of 60 permits, each one linked to an individual vehicle, for a 12-month period.

I can't see Anglesey listed anywhere as the poorest place in the UK. What is your reference for your claim?

josip

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

I can't see Anglesey listed anywhere as the poorest place in the UK. What is your reference for your claim?

A quick google, if one were so inclined, suggests the following early on from 2016.
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2016-12-15/wales-still-poorest-part-of-uk/

oscarBravo

eggman100 wrote: »

How about also governing yourselves instead of Ireland being like a county council of your masters in EU government?

How about putting even the faintest hint of an effort into understanding how the EU works instead of mindlessly mouthing tired Brexiteer rhetoric?

nice_guy80

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

He also longed for a United Ireland and preferred people in the South to people in the North.

Spent some of his childhood staying in knockdrin castle in Westmeath

Professor Moriarty

J Mysterio wrote: »

Do you have any sources for this? My understanding is Churchill was extremely aggressive and antagonistic to Ireland.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/winston-churchill-spoke-of-his-hopes-for-a-united-ireland-1.2002997%3fmode=amp

BonnieSituation

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Spent some of his childhood staying in knockdrin castle in Westmeath

Sure his grandpappy was Viceroy so would have spent some time up in the Áras.

CelticRambler

Christy42 wrote: »

Anyone else been getting forms mentioning insurance has changed companies due to Brexit?

When I took out a year-long travel insurance policy with a UK-based company last September, I asked them what would happen post Brexit. They told me they had an EU company ready to pick up all the policies for non-UK domiciled customers.

All part of the slow and probably irreversible damage to the UK's economy, and why the Brexiteers' belief that the relevant "last minute" is 22:59 on March 29th. The real last minute has come and gone; the EU didn't blink, and the UK's corporate taxpayers have already voted with their balance sheets.

prawnsambo

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Spent some of his childhood staying in knockdrin castle in Westmeath

And in what would have then been the Vice Regal Lodge. Áras an Uachtaráin to the rest of us.

Sam Russell

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/winston-churchill-spoke-of-his-hopes-for-a-united-ireland-1.2002997%3fmode=amp

Churchill threatened Michael Collins with 'terrible war' if they did not sign the treaty. He was a war monger of the worst kind, and certainly not a friend of Ireland.

ThePanjandrum

josip wrote: »

A quick google, if one were so inclined, suggests the following early on from 2016.
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2016-12-15/wales-still-poorest-part-of-uk/

The Office for National Statistics explains that the figure has been hugely affected because of the number of people who commute from Anglesey, they say that there is the opposite effect in London.

I believe that the GVA(I) has now been replaced as a reliable indicator in the UK.

At the NUTS3 level, in 2016, Camden and City of London had the highest GVA per head, in current basic prices, at £318,673 while the Isle of Anglesey had the lowest at £13,655; both extremes are highly affected by commuting flows.

Enzokk

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

The DUP have already ruled out an Irish Sea border... why are we still talking about this?

The DUP is not the UK Government nor should 10 votes decide policy for the whole country. It is beyond ironic that the threat of the SNP being a coalition partner with Labour was used by Cameron in 2015 and is probably what gave him the majority that forced the referendum on the UK. In 2019 you have the Conservatives towing the line of the DUP for their support to keep them in government. Cameron really is the gift that keeps on giving, a absolute shambles of a PM that should be remembered as the father of austerity and most likely also of the break up the the UK.

In any case, as for the DUP you have to wonder when the Theresa May will realise that she cannot be held to ransom by 10 votes and should call their bluff. She is screwed either way right now, if she cannot get Brexit through she is done. She cannot get it through because of the DUP (and other reasons but they are a big reason) who will threaten her with a General Election if she doesn't do their bidding. So she is going to lose her job either way it seems to me, rather do it on her terms by getting Brexit over the line than having the world crumble around her and she fight Cameron for the title of the worst PM in history.

Capt'n Midnight

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Holyhead is not even in the top 10 by tonnage though, see page 5...

Correction - It's the second busiest ferry port.

For stuff like Oil or LNG tankers they can send the paperwork days or weeks ahead.

BTW about half the traffic in the Irish Sea is unaccompanied.
Felixstowe Port boosts capacity ready for Brexit

A UK port and Danish ferry operator DFDS have agreed to increase roll-on, roll-off, capacity by more than 40% to help freight shipping after Brexit.
...
"Felixstowe is primarily an unaccompanied port where cargo arrives without a lorry, is taken from the boat to the port and on to a holding area. A vehicle then applies for the cargo and takes it away.

CelticRambler

Felixstowe - isn't that where they didn't do customs checks on all that Chinese crap that they got fined for allowing flood the EU ...? :rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight

CelticRambler wrote: »

Felixstowe - isn't that where they didn't do customs checks on all that Chinese crap that they got fined for allowing flood the EU ...? :rolleyes:

You're making the HM Revenue and Customs sound incompetent.

But the UK is just like the rest of Europe. You can be fined if you don't pay your tax on time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46952162

Some 653 people who submitted their tax returns by the start of January were hit by the bogus late-payment penalty charges.

They received letters from HMRC telling them they'd missed the deadline and so had to pay a penalty of £100, even though many had submitted returns almost a month ahead of the 31 January deadline.

Guess who's planning to replace their 25 year old Customs Handling of Import and Export Freight (CHIEF) system with a new Customs Declaration Service (CDS) ?

And guess when it's due to happen ?

ilovesmybrick

If there is a no-deal Brexit, we at Airbus will have to make potentially very harmful decisions for the U.K.

Airbus threatening to move future investments out of the UK in case of a no deal Brexit.

Airbus Calls Brexit Process a Disgrace, Threatens to Leave U.K.

mickoneill31

CelticRambler wrote: »

When I took out a year-long travel insurance policy with a UK-based company last September, I asked them what would happen post Brexit. They told me they had an EU company ready to pick up all the policies for non-UK domiciled customers.

All part of the slow and probably irreversible damage to the UK's economy, and why the Brexiteers' belief that the relevant "last minute" is 22:59 on March 29th. The real last minute has come and gone; the EU didn't blink, and the UK's corporate taxpayers have already voted with their balance sheets.

I started a job last week for a major company. The job I'm now doing was being done in London but the guy left. The people leaving in London are being replaced in European offices. No redundancies or press release. This must be happening all over the place.

FrancieBrady

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

Airbus threatening to move future investments out of the UK in case of a no deal Brexit.

Airbus Calls Brexit Process a Disgrace, Threatens to Leave U.K.

That is the flagship that should focus all minds, but maybe the UK is truly too far gone.