Brexit Discussion Thread VI

prawnsambo

trellheim wrote: »

the pol corrs are getting themselves worked up in a circle something awful .


1. The EU says "in the event of a no deal there will have to be a huge amount of work done to avoid a border " (said work implying the UK stays in the EU and so forth )

this leads to a truly silly logic jump from the poll corrs

2. "so why need the backstop at all ? Surely its not needed therefore "


AAAARGGGG

Not sure I'm following your logic there.


Are you sure you don't mean the CU etc.?

eggman100

prawnsambo wrote: »

Strong rumours that £650 billion worth of assets were shifted to Ireland from London last year. It might explain the sudden and unexplained rise in corporate tax receipts. Presumably more to follow.

But some one post wonder comes on here with their brexit central propaganda and expects us to believe it?

I had to post to correct some of you who seem to have been brainwashed by the Irish mainstream media and the BS coming out of Leos mouth whenever he talks about Brexit.
Particular sources of mis-information are Newstalk radio which seems to be the Guardian of the radio world. I thought the bias in the UK was bad but in Ireland it seems the regulator is missing

Hurrache

eggman100 wrote: »

I had to post to correct some of you who seem to have been brainwashed by the Irish mainstream media and the BS coming out of Leos mouth whenever he talks about Brexit.
Particular sources of mis-information are Newstalk radio which seems to be the Guardian of the radio world. I thought the bias in the UK was bad but in Ireland it seems the regulator is missing

Usually when someone sets out to correct people they do so with facts. Have you any?

eggman100

oscarBravo wrote: »

How about putting even the faintest hint of an effort into understanding how the EU works instead of mindlessly mouthing tired Brexiteer rhetoric?

I have studied the EU since the late 90s and seen it go from bad to worse. I completely understand it and have been wanting the UK to leave since then, so this is nothing new and its a long time coming. It would have happened earlier and with a bigger vote majority had they given us the referendum years before instead of when it suited Cameron thinking his remain position would win. Your reply shows you have no idea about the EU, or why the UK voted to leave. Until you educate yourself, you will always be frustrated about it

listermint

eggman100 wrote: »

I have studied the EU since the late 90s and seen it go from bad to worse. I completely understand it and have been wanting the UK to leave since then, so this is nothing new and its a long time coming. It would have happened earlier and with a bigger vote majority had they given us the referendum years before instead of when it suited Cameron thinking his remain position would win. Your reply shows you have no idea about the EU, or why the UK voted to leave. Until you educate yourself, you will always be frustrated about it

Oh interesting.

Tell us more about the EU then and your thoughts on it.

funkey_monkey

eggman100 wrote: »

I have studied the EU since the late 90s and seen it go from bad to worse. I completely understand it and have been wanting the UK to leave since then, so this is nothing new and its a long time coming. It would have happened earlier and with a bigger vote majority had they given us the referendum years before instead of when it suited Cameron thinking his remain position would win. Your reply shows you have no idea about the EU, or why the UK voted to leave. Until you educate yourself, you will always be frustrated about it

Fill us in then.

eggman100

joe40 wrote: »

In all this confusion and uncertainty sterling is holding up reasonably well. I think a Euro was 0.87 sterling this morning.
Are the currency markets quietly confident this will be all sorted out before March or is it just the calm before the storm. I'm no expert in this field but it affects me considerably

That is a difficult one to call. They may have priced in what they think is going to happen already. Don't forget that currency trading is speculative and it can be oversold or undersold.
In the case of no deal I predict the £ could fall initially then as the UK reaps the benefits and adjusts to the new status quo of being no longer a member of the EU, the £ will rise back up to old levels. The Eurozone will be weaker without its top 3 contributor and the EU will have to find the money from France or Germany but they aren't doing too well either. EU contributions will rise from remaining member states. Taxes will rise

downcow

eggman100 wrote: »

That is a difficult one to call. They may have priced in what they think is going to happen already. Don't forget that currency trading is speculative and it can be oversold or undersold.
In the case of no deal I predict the £ could fall initially then as the UK reaps the benefits and adjusts to the new status quo of being no longer a member of the EU, the £ will rise back up to old levels. The Eurozone will be weaker without its top 3 contributor and the EU will have to find the money from France or Germany but they aren't doing too well either. EU contributions will rise from remaining member states. Taxes will rise

This makes total sense

listermint

eggman100 wrote: »

That is a difficult one to call. They may have priced in what they think is going to happen already. Don't forget that currency trading is speculative and it can be oversold or undersold.
In the case of no deal I predict the £ could fall initially then as the UK reaps the benefits and adjusts to the new status quo of being no longer a member of the EU, the £ will rise back up to old levels. The Eurozone will be weaker without its top 3 contributor and the EU will have to find the money from France or Germany but they aren't doing too well either. EU contributions will rise from remaining member states. Taxes will rise

Im still waiting on you to fill us in on your vast studied knowledge of the EU.

Earlier today you were saying the Britain doesnt need to stockpile anything, yet you have an MP who claimed to be the biggest Fridge purchaser in the world with smiley abandon.

I mean like sure you dont need to stockpile anything.... and that....

Leroy42

Eggman100, do you know what the entire Eu budget is and what % of that is paid for by the UK?

Also, the UK will now either have to pay to remain in certain EU groups or pay to set up their own. Either way this is going to cost them more.

Have you any details of the trade deals that will be done to allieviate the lost trade with the EU?

Since the 1990's, when you state the EU has gone from bad to worse, can you explain what has be happening better in the UK, and what will happen better when they leave?

You are aware that the PM recently suffered the largest defeat in HoC history but didn't even think about stepping down. That JRM yesterday claimed that the parliament should be shut down if a vote goes against his wishes. That the body politic is currently of the view that listening to the public is a bad thing.

lawred2

eggman100 wrote: »

I have studied the EU since the late 90s and seen it go from bad to worse. I completely understand it and have been wanting the UK to leave since then, so this is nothing new and its a long time coming. It would have happened earlier and with a bigger vote majority had they given us the referendum years before instead of when it suited Cameron thinking his remain position would win. Your reply shows you have no idea about the EU, or why the UK voted to leave. Until you educate yourself, you will always be frustrated about it

maybe you could educate us and list some of these frustrations please

Leroy42

downcow wrote: »

This makes total sense

Just like the way it rebounded after the blip after the Leave vote you mean?

JRM, Davis etc have all stated that the fall in Stg is a good thing, so why would you think they are even looking for it to be stronger?

eggman100

prawnsambo wrote: »

Which is a direct result of UK government policy over the last decade. The only support going to diasadvantaged areas of the UK was from the EU. The party of the haves is the Tory party. You do realise that?

Complete rubbish, no party has done more for the working man, helped people out of poverty and back to work than the Conservatives. They are the party of business and sound economics. Whereas Labour will screw the poor by making them poorer along with everyone else too.

Lemming

eggman100 wrote: »

Complete rubbish, no party has done more for the working man, helped people out of poverty and back to work than the Conservatives. They are the party of business and sound economics.

You mean the party for whom a prominent (now-former) senior minister is quoted as saying "fvck business" when challenged about business concerns?

listermint

eggman100 wrote: »

Complete rubbish, no party has done more for the working man, helped people out of poverty and back to work than the Conservatives. They are the party of business and sound economics. Whereas Labour will screw the poor by making them poorer along with everyone else too.

Il just put this here


Nationalising industries is it. sound economics.. I have to believe your on the wind up. Just going on the quality of information you are providing

https://twitter.com/DCBMEP/status/1088348314930679809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1088348314930679809&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2057937753%26page%3D451

Leroy42

eggman100 wrote: »

Complete rubbish, no party has done more for the working man, helped people out of poverty and back to work than the Conservatives. They are the party of business and sound economics. Whereas Labour will screw the poor by making them poorer along with everyone else too.

And yet the amount of food banks, and the number of children living below the proverty line continues to grow despite, what 8 years, of Tory rule!

Hurrache

eggman100 wrote: »

They are the party of business and sound economics.

How's that been going for them lately?

Seth Brundle

eggman100 wrote: »

I had to post to correct some of you who seem to have been brainwashed by the Irish mainstream media and the BS coming out of Leos mouth whenever he talks about Brexit.

What BS would that be then?

eggman100 wrote: »

Particular sources of mis-information are Newstalk radio which seems to be the Guardian of the radio world. I thought the bias in the UK was bad but in Ireland it seems the regulator is missing

What has Newstalk said that is mis-information?

LeinsterDub

eggman100 wrote: »

Complete rubbish, no party has done more for the working man, helped people out of poverty and back to work than the Conservatives. They are the party of business and sound economics. Whereas Labour will screw the poor by making them poorer along with everyone else too.

BoJo wrote:

F**K business

This party?

An Ciarraioch

So, it appears the latest unionist alternative proposal to the backstop is a "British Isles Customs Area" that would replicate the CTA - never mind the small flaw that we would be voluntarily placing tariffs on 30+% of our exports for the sake of 12%!

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/brexit-common-customs-area-could-solve-problem-of-hard-border-1-8781413

Seth Brundle

eggman100 wrote: »

I have studied the EU since the late 90s and seen it go from bad to worse.

...in what way?

eggman100 wrote: »

Your reply shows you have no idea about the EU, or why the UK voted to leave. Until you educate yourself, you will always be frustrated about it

I'd like to educate myself on it. Point me to some good independent and reliable sources.

Jmccoy1

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

So, it appears the latest unionist alternative proposal to the backstop is a "British Isles Customs Area" that would replicate the CTA - never mind the small flaw that we would be voluntarily placing tariffs on 30+% of our exports for the sake of 12%!

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/brexit-common-customs-area-could-solve-problem-of-hard-border-1-8781413

So in effect they are proposing that the republic have a hard border with the rest of the EU. That would be disastrous for FDI and jobs within the republic. To hell with the north if that is the option being proposed.

El Weirdo

eggman100 wrote: »

...
In the case of no deal I predict the £ could fall initially then as the UK reaps the benefits ...

Benefits such as?

FreudianSlippers

eggman100 wrote: »

I have studied the EU since the late 90s and seen it go from bad to worse. I completely understand it and have been wanting the UK to leave since then, so this is nothing new and its a long time coming. It would have happened earlier and with a bigger vote majority had they given us the referendum years before instead of when it suited Cameron thinking his remain position would win. Your reply shows you have no idea about the EU, or why the UK voted to leave. Until you educate yourself, you will always be frustrated about it

I've read Craig & de Búrka's seminal EU law text many times over the years and I don't claim to "completely understand" the EU.

mickoneill31

https://cakewatch.fireside.fm/39

Cakewatch is good this month. Theres a guy who has experience of the WTO on it talking about "No Deal" and "Managed No Deal" with some educated information of why this is pie in the sky stuff.

FreudianSlippers

eggman100 wrote: »

I have studied the EU since the late 90s and seen it go from bad to worse. I completely understand it [...]

eggman100 wrote: »

[...] The Eurozone will be weaker without its top 3 contributor [...]

oh boy... the UK isn't in the Eurozone though.

Call me Al

eggman100 wrote: »

I have studied the EU since the late 90s and seen it go from bad to worse. I completely understand it and have been wanting the UK to leave since then, so this is nothing new and its a long time coming. It would have happened earlier and with a bigger vote majority had they given us the referendum years before instead of when it suited Cameron thinking his remain position would win. Your reply shows you have no idea about the EU, or why the UK voted to leave. Until you educate yourself, you will always be frustrated about it

So, specifics on what you say has gone from bad to worse?
Incidentally, the Irish school curriculum has Civic Social and Political Education (CSPE) as one of it's compulsory school examination subjects for the first 3 years of every child's second level education in Ireland (optional thereafter) so I'd have every reason to expect that most Irish voters have a fairly comprehensive idea on what the EU is, how it functions, and the benefits and negatives that come with membership.

ancapailldorcha

Mod: Can we stick to Brexit please? Feel free to discuss austerity in another thread.

eggman100

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Hahaha! What tosh. Neoliberalism of privatise the profits and socialise the losses party. A party that has been dismantling services and selling off infrastructure to companies that fail to deliver and are not accountable to anyone. The country is fragmented and fragile, the reason we have the Brexit mess going on. A Brexit that highlights how ignorant and poorly educated everyone is.. but no wonder, with education being stripped of funding for decades now. Train services at melt down, overcrowded & extortionate prices, no investment, barely there care services, homelessness, child poverty all on the increase.. on and on it goes..

When I fly into Dublin and grab a bus across town, I sit in comfort on a modern train that takes me down the country on a pre-booked cheap ticket. The same goes for Germany and Spain.

So yeah, think you're the one that's brainwashed, try living in the UK and educate yourself.

Living in the UK indeed I do for many years. I have seen for myself how inefficient services are under state/public ownership, and how they are loss making. Government services always are, especially under socialist governments. I've seen the benefits of privatisation and how its saves the taxpayer so much money that can be spent on other things or to keep taxes low.
The public transport of Ireland and the UK cannot be compared. In many parts of Ireland there is no service beyond Athlone. Or like 1 bus a day - a train? Forget it what train. I do agree though that the UK trains could be improved, but taking them into state ownership again? No not the answer

323

Akrasia wrote: »

More Project fear you mean.


If Dyson moving his company to Singapore isn't enough to make brexiteers question the motives of their champions, then nothing will.

Betting this has nothing to do with brexit.

Large british multinational I used to work with and three others I know of moved their corporate headquarters and payroll to Singapore over the last 10 years.

Primary reason in each case was to avoid employers National Insurance contributions.