Brexit Discussion Thread VI

1st dalkey dalkey

cryptocurrency wrote: »

That hasn't a hope in hell of happening. The renewal of Trident, all the new aircraft carriers, new standard sub fleet, new frigates, all the new F35Bs...EU/France have invested nowt nor has any solid plans too and India ditto.

The UK has a global base network which they have agreed to expand. I actually think this is what this is all about. France has raised a white flag to Brussels to stay relevant and the UK has engineered this all to slip out of the EU and ensure that it continues to make decisions at the top table, both militarily and financially.

The UK hasn't had a global network in over 50 years.
You have one aircraft carrier, but no planes that can fly off it.
Trident, if you keep it, will sink your economy. Corbyn will dump it as soon as he gets into no 10. He has other things to spend the money on.
He knows you can't afford it, one of the few things he is right about.

India, on the other hand, is the second most populous nation on earth, shortly to be the first. It is also a nuclear power and a space power. China's appearance in Sri Lanka has forced them to increase their investment in naval power. They will overtake the UK's 72 ships late next year.

lawred2

cryptocurrency wrote: »

no nation worth its salt would sign the deal with the backstop that holds the UK hostage. All nations need to be able to leave deals unilaterally.

hohum sometimes there's a price to pay for maintaining peace - espeically when you've been an aggressor nation making amends

as regards deals - they are fully free at all stages to walk away from any deals unilaterally

always have been

always will be

but doing so usually isn't without consequence

murphaph

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Not scared. I don't think anyone is scared. Wary. I would say London and Washington are wary of letting the EU army every becoming anything more then what it has been...they are like 5th XV Juniors of a premiership team,

You know that's the way the US, Chinese and Russians (who murdered British citizens on UK soil recently) view the UK, right?

cryptocurrency

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

The UK hasn't had a global network in over 50 years.
You have one aircraft carrier, but no planes that can fly off it.
Trident, if you keep it, will sink your economy. Corbyn will dump it as soon as he gets into no 10. He has other things to spend the money on.
He knows you can't afford it, one of the few things he is right about.

India, on the other hand, is the second most populous nation on earth, shortly to be the first. It is also a nuclear power and a space power. China's appearance in Sri Lanka has forced them to increase their investment in naval power. They will overtake the UK's 72 ships late next year.

You are talking fantasy. Trident will certainly happen. I know enough lads in Barrow who are working on the current fleet that know it will. Corbyn will never be PM, you really need to lose that fantasy.
I suggest looking at India's naval fleet in a little more detail. the number 72 is flattering.

Anyways, India should be a strong US/UK ally.

Anthracite

murphaph wrote: »

You know that's the way the US, Chinese and Russians (who murdered British citizens on UK soil recently) view the UK, right?

Surely this can't be right? No proper nation worth its salt would allow a bush-league country to murder its citizens on its own soil without serious retaliation?

cryptocurrency

murphaph wrote: »

You know that's the way the US, Chinese and Russians (who murdered British citizens on UK soil recently) view the UK, right?

I would suspect I know a magnitude more then you do about it in reality and of its reality.

prawnsambo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

no nation worth its salt would sign the deal with the backstop that holds the UK hostage. All nations need to be able to leave deals unilaterally.

No nation worth its salt has ever more loudly and vociferously threatened to pull out of more deals and agreements in such a short space of time. And continues to do so. And yet expects to be respected.

RobMc59

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Same sides do not block planes, medicine, boats, cheese for wanting to enact the will of the people to leave their club and just be trading neighbours. They start that carry on they are not friends but the most hostile of enemies.

I`m not attacking your beliefs but do you really want to rely on Trump?He undermines his own military staff,believing putin over them and makes snap,scary decisions without any rhyme or reason so would have no problem in letting us down.Better to be in a strong NATO(with perhaps more European input) and part of a strong EU which is in our geographical/defensive interest.

cryptocurrency

Anthracite wrote: »

Surely this can't be right? No proper nation worth its salt would allow a bush-league country to murder its citizens on its own soil without serious retaliation?

I stroll into this thread and seems my uncomfortable truths seems to really hurt a few of you about your fantasy of sticking one over the brits and being part of some super club (that's doomed to fail)

You doubled down on the wrong horse.

Midlife

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I stroll into this thread and seems my uncomfortable truths seems to really hurt a few of you about your fantasy of sticking one over the brits and being part of some super club (that's doomed to fail)

You doubled down on the wrong horse.

You dispise the EU.

I think that colours most of your 'truths' to be honest.

murphaph

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Same sides do not block planes, medicine, boats, cheese for wanting to enact the will of the people to leave their club and just be trading neighbours. They start that carry on they are not friends but the most hostile of enemies.

These things will not be "blocked". The UK can let all that stuff in with the wave of a hand but the EU will be checking goods (especially foodstuffs) as it enters the single market from a third country. Do you have a problem with this?

Anthracite

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I stroll into this thread and seems my uncomfortable truths seems to really hurt a few of you about your fantasy of sticking one over the brits and being part of some super club (that's doomed to fail)

You doubled down on the wrong horse.

Your truths seem to consist mostly of a fleet of imaginary aircraft carriers and super spies.

I don't think anyone is buying your rubbish, Vlad.

cryptocurrency

RobMc59 wrote: »

I`m not attacking your beliefs but do you really want to rely on Trump?He undermines his own military staff,believing putin over them and makes snap,scary decisions without any rhyme or reason so would have no problem in letting us down.Better to be in a strong NATO(with perhaps more European input) and part of a strong EU which is in our geographical/defensive interest.

Nato is good and more European spending is also good as more of them are a complete shambles militarily.

The UK in the EU with this so-called EU army is a disaster and seems like something the EU have uttered without talking to their bigger friends in NATO. There is under no circumstances, Trump or not, that the US military is into this at all.

cryptocurrency

murphaph wrote: »

These things will not be "blocked". The UK can let all that stuff in with the wave of a hand but the EU will be checking goods (especially foodstuffs) as it enters the single market from a third country. Do you have a problem with this?

They can't even check trucks for 40 migrants, they will be an absolute disaster.

cryptocurrency

Anthracite wrote: »

Your truths seem to consist mostly of a fleet of imaginary aircraft carriers and super spies.

I don't think anyone is buying your rubbish, Vlad.

If all else fails, call them a Russian bot. Is that where we are at?

prawnsambo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

They can't even check trucks for 40 migrants, they will be an absolute disaster.

You do realise that it's not the 30th March yet?

cryptocurrency

prawnsambo wrote: »

You do realise that it's not the 30th March yet?

Yet it is ok for remainers to ask for NHS money the very next day after the vote or spend claiming the 4 horsemen will most certainly come to the UK on the 30th of march before the date?

Interesting....

murphaph

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I stroll into this thread and seems my uncomfortable truths seems to really hurt a few of you about your fantasy of sticking one over the brits and being part of some super club (that's doomed to fail)

You doubled down on the wrong horse.

Just bugger off (UK, not you personally) and leave then. I think you lot need a "period of reflection" outside the EU with your mate Trump.

prawnsambo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Yet it is ok for remainers to ask for NHS money the very next day after the vote or spend claiming the 4 horsemen will most certainly come to the UK on the 30th of march before the date?

Interesting....

Apart from the fact that nobody asked for the money, but questioned the amount, the rest of your post is incomprehensible. For clarity, while you are in the EU, you are in the SM and CU and only spot checks take place.

cryptocurrency

murphaph wrote: »

Just bugger off (UK, not you personally) and leave then. I think you lot need a "period of reflection" outside the EU with your mate Trump.

Well both the UK and the US are doing better than the EU at the moment so I agree, great time to look in and watch the EU collapse.

The Poles, I like them, my money is that they are the nation that pushes back next and many do not like the EU over there.

A Dub in Glasgo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You are talking fantasy. Trident will certainly happen. I know enough lads in Barrow who are working on the current fleet that know it will

What are you going to do when Scotland votes for independence? Deny it? Invade Scotland to keep your precious nukes?

There are no facilities in the UK other than Faslane and Coulport for Trident and the weapons of mass destruction

The UK has been running down her military over the last 10-20 years in order to pay for the vanity of aircraft carriers and the nukes - waste of money

prawnsambo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Well both the UK and the US are doing better than the EU at the moment so I agree, great time to look in and watch the EU collapse.

The Poles, I like them, my money is that they are the nation that pushes back next and many do not like the EU over there.

Yes. 84% in favour of the EU. The Poles are absolutely wavering.

This is becoming low grade trolling at this stage. Fact free and just trying to wind people up. Except this isn't the place for that. Cop yourself on.

murphaph

cryptocurrency wrote: »

They can't even check trucks for 40 migrants, they will be an absolute disaster.

What are you talking about?

cryptocurrency

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

What are you going to do when Scotland votes for independence? Deny it? Invade Scotland to keep your precious nukes?

There are no facilities in the UK other than Faslane and Coulport for Trident and the weapons of mass destruction

The UK has been running down her military over the last 10-20 years in order to pay for the vanity of aircraft carriers and the nukes - waste of money

Scotland had their once in a generation referendum, the result was clear and stood by. Most SNP seats voted leave.

And once out and the UK is fine and as the EU melts the talk next generation will subside.

Not in the slightest bit worried. Always follow through with Referendum results is the golden rule. Spain, Ireland and Denmark could learn from that.

cryptocurrency

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

What are you going to do when Scotland votes for independence? Deny it? Invade Scotland to keep your precious nukes?

There are no facilities in the UK other than Faslane and Coulport for Trident and the weapons of mass destruction

The UK has been running down her military over the last 10-20 years in order to pay for the vanity of aircraft carriers and the nukes - waste of money

You worded that with such resentment. Let me guess, you have a strong socialist inclination.

1st dalkey dalkey

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You are talking fantasy. Trident will certainly happen. I know enough lads in Barrow who are working on the current fleet that know it will. Corbyn will never be PM, you really need to lose that fantasy.
I suggest looking at India's naval fleet in a little more detail. the number 72 is flattering.

Anyways, India should be a strong US/UK ally.

A quick google search provided this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_Navy_ships

It appears they also have one aircraft carrier, but also planes to fly off it.
Their number of active ships comes in at 72 also, according to that article.
It also refers to the arrival of China into Sri Lanka and the subsequent expansion plans of the Indian Navy.

murphaph

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Well both the UK and the US are doing better than the EU at the moment so I agree, great time to look in and watch the EU collapse.

The Poles, I like them, my money is that they are the nation that pushes back next and many do not like the EU over there.

You are living in fantasy land if you think the UK is doing better than the EU at present. Anyway Brexit is coming soon so Poland can sit it out and see how the UK fares before making any hasty decisions.

cryptocurrency

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

A quick google search provided this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_Navy_ships

It appears they also have one aircraft carrier, but also planes to fly off it.
Their number of active ships comes in at 72 also, according to that article.
It also refers to the arrival of China into Sri Lanka and the subsequent expansion plans of the Indian Navy.

That's my favourite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_Navy_ships#/media/File:Tarangini.jpg

Midlife

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yes. 84% in favour of the EU. The Poles are absolutely wavering.

This is becoming low grade trolling at this stage. Fact free and just trying to wind people up. Except this isn't the place for that. Cop yourself on.

Yeah, this tends to be a decent enough forum but these one-line wind up's are pretty sad.

It's a dsicussion forum, not a wind up forum.

Strazdas

Midlife wrote: »

Yeah, this tends to be a decent enough forum but these one-line wind up's are pretty sad.

It's a dsicussion forum, not a wind up forum.

I don't mind that Brexiteers are posting here though. It's good to hear the actual opinions of those who are driving the process forward.