Ireland is now only 82% Native Irish.

Fighting Tao

vladmydad wrote: »

So you admit an increase risk of terrorism because of our Islamic friends but that’s ok because your a good lefty.

How old are you? I doubt you are old enough to remember the troubles. I lived beside the border and made many trips up North. The reality was far more terrifying than the what ifs. Also, there were far more terrorists back then then there is now in the country.

We went through a summer of almost weekly shut downs of the town centre due to bomb warnings too.

vladmydad

wakka12 wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

I’m here to help. Have you done your Christmas shopping yet ? Ehh actually you might want to avoid any Christmas markets, they’ve become surprisingly dangerous...... but that has nothing to do with cultural enrichment,

Tens of millions of people attend christmas markets across europe annually without any danger

The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

wakka12

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/councillor-blasts-idea-southside-northside-14204045
The new planters/bollards on henry street and grafton street are armoured and were installed for terror defence purposes

'Dublin Live revealed last week that new armored planters were rolled out before Christmas in order to prevent terror attacks like those see in Nice, Barcelona and London.

Barriers similar to these can be seen across some of Europe's major cities.


The planters, which appear as large flower pots, have been positioned in various entrances to Grafton Street and Henry Street.

The €50,000 bollards were put out at the two main pedestrian zones in conjunction with An Garda Siochana.'

The move came following a string of terror attacks involving trucks, in which over 100 people were killed, across Europe over the last 18 months.

A source told Dublin Live: "These planters are in place to stop cars and trucks from entering Henry and Grafton Steet.

"The blockades will stop, or at least severely slow down, any vehicles unlawfully entering the streets."

Alf Veedersane

vladmydad wrote: »

Wow man, you’re cranky this morning.
Anyway they are lovely plant boxes and surprisingly sturdy, I bet they could even stop a madman in a truck but that would never happen in Ireland.

I remember the first time I visited my brother in London and was surprised by the scarcity of public bins. Would you be surprised that it was anything to do with native Irish having a history of leaving bombs in them?

vladmydad

Fighting Tao wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

So you admit an increase risk of terrorism because of our Islamic friends but that’s ok because your a good lefty.

How old are you? I doubt you are old enough to remember the troubles. I lived beside the border and made many trips up North. The reality was far more terrifying than the what ifs. Also, there were far more terrorists back then then there is now in the country.

So because we had terrorists back then it’s ok to import more . Right.

Franz Von Peppercorn

batgoat wrote: »

You'd honestly think that the UK didn't face significant risks of terrorism from the 70s to 90s. Same for mainland Europe. You had the IRA, Red Army Faction and ETA.

Is that an argument about what these barriers are for? Have you ceded the point that they are to stop terrorism?

Calina

vladmydad wrote: »

The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

Dude, you are in more danger crossing the road than you are attending a Christmas market.

_Brian

Is it a good time to mention the Irish double standard in illegal immigration.

Many see it as acceptable for Irish illegals to go to the USA on holiday visas and stay for 20 years working illegally, many get involved in criminal activities and work under the taxation system to better their lives. Many Irish families survived the 70’s and 80’s on cash sent home from these illegal jobs.

But when people come to it eland to work and better themselves we consider it an invasion of some sorts.

I really think the open dirty truth is that skin colour is a problem for many worrying about the “real Irish”. We just have repeated threads started under not so subtle side stories to push the adjenda forward.

Den14

I would say that most people in here would have no concerns with potential integration issues
I post this again as it's a good example

https://youtu.be/RlNCVQGFrMU

It's an indicator of how many people feel on the subject which is a shame imo. It's just easier not to give this topic any importance and not to care. Genuinely most folks don't care. Is that a reflection of people in here or the general population I don't know. Its not important in people's lives. Perhaps people would rather treat it as an opportunity to mildly ridicule the OP. For anyone who has children maybe they can see how it's in their future where there maybe some ramifications.
IMO immigration is a good thing.
Once it doesn't go unchecked. Other countries have had genuine issues and I'd rather here in Ireland we learn from their mistakes rather than turning a blind eye

Fighting Tao

vladmydad wrote: »

So because we had terrorists back then it’s ok to import more . Right.

I didn't realise that the government were actively going to ISIS strongholds and handpicking terrorists.

RWCNT

vladmydad wrote: »

So you admit an increase risk of terrorism because of our Islamic friends but that’s ok because your a good lefty.

I didn't admit that at all as it happens, but seeing as you're clearly obsessed with the matter it's no surprise you perform the requisite mental gymnastics to draw that conclusion.

vladmydad

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/councillor-blasts-idea-southside-northside-14204045
The new planters/bollards on henry street and grafton street are armoured and were installed for terror defence purposes

And we’re all supposed to pretend that this is normal. It’s outrageous but the people have been browbeaten into just accepting it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

wakka12 wrote: »

Tens of millions of people attend christmas markets across europe annually without any danger

The term “without any danger” implies a 0% chance of danger which isn’t true. I mean a glance at the news recently would prove that.

batgoat

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Is that an argument about what these barriers are for? Have you ceded the point that they are to stop terrorism?

Happy to cede it.

vladmydad wrote: »

So because we had terrorists back then it’s ok to import more . Right.

Grand job, so you would have favoured banning Irish people as they would all be potential terrorists in your view.

dxhound2005

ArchXStanton wrote: »

There's no doubt Ireland is changing rapidly, even a walk around the city centre or my hometown you hear languages from everywhere... Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing I really don't know, one thing I do notice is the fluidity of the way Irish people interact with each other, regardless if they know each other or not.it seems to be lacking in other nationalities.

I come across so few foreigners that I am unable to form a judgement like that. I think you would need to live in foreign countries to see how they are at home. Unless you know thousands of them here, in which case you are entitled to that view.

I have heard anecdotal reports of Irish people abroad being very clannish.

vladmydad

_Brian wrote: »

Is it a good time to mention the Irish double standard in illegal immigration.

Many see it as acceptable for Irish illegals to go to the USA on holiday visas and stay for 20 years working illegally, many get involved in criminal activities and work under the taxation system to better their lives. Many Irish families survived the 70’s and 80’s on cash sent home from these illegal jobs.

But when people come to it eland to work and better themselves we consider it an invasion of some sorts.

I really think the open dirty truth is that skin colour is a problem for many worrying about the “real Irish”. We just have repeated threads started under not so subtle side stories to push the adjenda forward.

No double standards from me, I hope Trump deports those illegal Irish.

wakka12

_Brian wrote: »

Is it a good time to mention the Irish double standard in illegal immigration.

Many see it as acceptable for Irish illegals to go to the USA on holiday visas and stay for 20 years working illegally, many get involved in criminal activities and work under the taxation system to better their lives. Many Irish families survived the 70’s and 80’s on cash sent home from these illegal jobs.

But when people come to it eland to work and better themselves we consider it an invasion of some sorts.

I really think the open dirty truth is that skin colour is a problem for many worrying about the “real Irish”. We just have repeated threads started under not so subtle side stories to push the adjenda forward.

Who sees it as acceptable? I dont think irish people should be allowed to enter the USA illegally and Im sure many other irish people would consider it to be a crime as well

Franz Von Peppercorn

_Brian wrote: »

Is it a good time to mention the Irish double standard in illegal immigration.

Many see it as acceptable for Irish illegals to go to the USA on holiday visas and stay for 20 years working illegally, many get involved in criminal activities and work under the taxation system to better their lives. Many Irish families survived the 70’s and 80’s on cash sent home from these illegal jobs.

Never ever seen that. Whenever the subject comes up most people here don’t care about the illegal Irish. Sure RTE makes a song and dance about it but they are pro immigration in all cases.

But when people come to it eland to work and better themselves we consider it an invasion of some sorts.

The question is about the numbers and integration.

I really think the open dirty truth is that skin colour is a problem for many worrying about the “real Irish”. We just have repeated threads started under not so subtle side stories to push the adjenda forward.

Don’t think anybody mentioned skin colour.

amcalester

Fighting Tao wrote: »

How old are you? I doubt you are old enough to remember the troubles. I lived beside the border and made many trips up North. The reality was far more terrifying than the what ifs. Also, there were far more terrorists back then then there is now in the country.

We went through a summer of almost weekly shut downs of the town centre due to bomb warnings too.

I remember working in a pub during a bombscare. Guard pokes his head in the door

Guard - there’s a bomb scare in town
Me - should I get everyone to leave?
Guard - Ah no, just shut the door and don’t let anyone out.
Me - So a lock in?
Guard - Yeah, pretty much.

Innocent times.

batgoat

vladmydad wrote: »

No double standards from me, I hope Trump deports those illegal Irish.

Want to list out all the negative impacts from that dreaded 18%? I've worked with people from all the globe who live and work in Ireland. (Including some who came to Ireland as refugees during their childhood) I would consider them good friends and I don't have your warped view of them, thankfully.

Franz Von Peppercorn

batgoat wrote: »

Happy to cede it.



Grand job, so you would have favoured banning Irish people as they would all be potential terrorists in your view.

Banning Irish people from where? The U.K. was thinking of removing the FTA in the 80s. However that would have been pointless given most of the terrorism was internal to the U.K.

(That said they did stop people travelling even from Northern Ireland to the “mainland” and they definitely stopped known or suspected terrorists, or Sinn Fein members from travel in some cases).

The rest of the world outside the EEC has visas for Irish people.

riffmongous

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The term “without any danger” implies a 0% chance of danger which isn’t true. I mean a glance at the news recently would prove that.

Without belittling the deaths 4 out of tens of millions is nearly as close to 0% as you're gonna get.

Franz Von Peppercorn

batgoat wrote: »

Want to list out all the negative impacts from that dreaded 18%? I've worked with people from all the globe who live and work in Ireland. (Including some who came to Ireland as refugees during their childhood) I would consider them good friends and I don't have your warped view of them, thankfully.

Very little effects on the middle classes for sure, if there were we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Ireland would be as white as the RDS horse show.

batgoat

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Banning Irish people from where? The U.K. was thinking of removing the FTA in the 80s. However that would have been pointless given most of the terrorism was internal to the U.K.

(That said they did stop people travelling even from Northern Ireland to the “mainland” and they definitely stopped known or suspected terrorists, or Sinn Fein members from travel in some cases).

The rest of the world outside the EEC has visas for Irish people.

I'm referring to an outright ban of Irish people from the UK. Because the op seems to view all those who are non Irish and Muslim as an importation of terrorists...

DanMurphy

Who IS really Irish and what IS Irish Culture?
Really?
What is it?
The ability to strike a ball with a crooked stick?
Sing Sean Nos?
Irish Dancing?
Drinking alcohol ?
Hating anything English ?
I was born here 68 years ago but am of Welsh and Spanish blood and have dark(ish) skin color.
I spent my life as man and boy, gladly, in the service of this country.
Should I leave because I'm not 'pure' Irish?

Fighting Tao

amcalester wrote: »

I remember working in a pub during a bombscare. Guard pokes his head in the door

Guard - there’s a bomb scare in town
Me - should I get everyone to leave?
Guard - Ah no, just shut the door and don’t let anyone out.
Me - So a lock in?
Guard - Yeah, pretty much.

Innocent times.

I heard of that happening too. The incendiary devices were usually found in shops and not pubs though as it was easier for a stranger to enter shops. 1997 was the year and while the bomb scares were weekly the number of devices were less so. however, since viable incendiary devices were left all shops were emptied out and searched. Working in a shop at the time, I had to take part in the searches. The Gardaí were no use at describing what we were looking for.

vladmydad

Unfortunately it’s going to take a horrible but totally foreseeable tragedy to happen before we take it seriously. One day we’ll turn on the news to see 7 or 8 people dead in Dublin and even then the lefty’s will make excuses.

Franz Von Peppercorn

riffmongous wrote: »

Without belittling the deaths 4 out of tens of millions is nearly as close to 0% as you're gonna get.

Isn’t 1000 deaths fairly close to 0% as well. When would start to worry? At 1%? 100,000 deaths.

Or is that ok because 1% is low. What about 10%?

The point about terrorism to to kill few and terrorise many.

vladmydad

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

riffmongous wrote: »

Without belittling the deaths 4 out of tens of millions is nearly as close to 0% as you're gonna get.

Isn’t 1000 deaths fairly close to 0% as well. When would start to worry? At 1%? 100,000 deaths.

Or is that ok because 1% is low. What about 10%?

The point about terrorism to to kill few and terrorise many.

A few deaths is a small price to pay for cultural enrichment

Fighting Tao

vladmydad wrote: »

Unfortunately it’s going to take a horrible but totally foreseeable tragedy to happen before we take it seriously. One day we’ll turn on the news to see 7 or 8 people dead in Dublin and even then the lefty’s will make excuses.

Do you get worked up so much about road safety in Ireland? Rather than potentially killing 7 or 8 people, 142 people have already died this year. Another 149 for the whole of 2017....I could go on.

vladmydad

Fighting Tao wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

Unfortunately it’s going to take a horrible but totally foreseeable tragedy to happen before we take it seriously. One day we’ll turn on the news to see 7 or 8 people dead in Dublin and even then the lefty’s will make excuses.

Do you get worked up so much about road safety? Rather than potentially killing 7 or 8 people, 142 people have already died this year. Another 149 for the whole of 2017....I could go on.

You really are an apologist

flazio

OK, hypothetical situation, you are in the council and have to allocate a house in an all Irish estate of 80% private owned houses. The two candidates are an Irish Traveler family with a horse tied up in the back or a Muslim family with the father a junior Doctor and the mother a part time checkout attendant who is always wearing a head scarf. Which do you think would fit in better?

riffmongous

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Isn’t 1000 deaths fairly close to 0% as well. When would start to worry? At 1%? Or is that ok. What about 10%?

The point about terrorism to to kill few and terrorise many.

Well when the risk is higher than other common risks would be the point to start worrying Franz, and 4 in 10 or a 100 million is no more likely than getting shot in Dublin as part of an organised crime feud, are you going to stop going to Dublin because of that?

Yes the point of terrorism is to terrorise and people exaggerating the risks completely out of proportion are only doing the terrorists job for them

Fighting Tao

vladmydad wrote: »

Fighting Tao wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

Unfortunately it’s going to take a horrible but totally foreseeable tragedy to happen before we take it seriously. One day we’ll turn on the news to see 7 or 8 people dead in Dublin and even then the lefty’s will make excuses.

Do you get worked up so much about road safety? Rather than potentially killing 7 or 8 people, 142 people have already died this year. Another 149 for the whole of 2017....I could go on.

You really are an apologist

Nope. I’m a realist.

Father Hernandez

I would say I’m quite nationalist, I have a lot of non Irish colleagues & my girlfriend is not Irish and I love spending time abroad learning new cultures.

Absolutely love the multicultural society we have in Ireland as well as embracing our Irishness which makes us unique.

My question to every councellor etc is what is being done to ensure Ireland does not fall into the same trap as Germany, France & other countries currently under severe terrorist attacks/fear as a result of ‘careless’ immigration

batgoat

vladmydad wrote: »

You really are an apologist

Can you clarify, do you want to ban Muslims from Ireland? Or what do you propose? I strongly suspect Muslims are only one excuse to justify your views btw. Doubt you'd be happy with immigration from Christian African countries either.

thegreengoblin

vladmydad wrote: »

Unfortunately it’s going to take a horrible but totally foreseeable tragedy to happen before we take it seriously. One day we’ll turn on the news to see 7 or 8 people dead in Dublin and even then the lefty’s will make excuses.

Ah, I was waiting for the old 'Just wait until it happens here, you won't be so smug then' line. Didn't have to wait long, naturally.

dxhound2005

Would anyone be surprised to know that there are more American, French, German, Italian and Spanish people here, than Nigerians or Pakistanis? 2016 Census.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

Bannasidhe

vladmydad wrote: »

But native refers to a Gaelic gene that is present throughout most of the last 12,500 years. The Irish people who carry this gene are what’s considered native. We are a race of people just as the Japanese and Chinese are. It’s ok to be proud of it, just as ancient tribes in Africa are proud. Stop this reflexive fear of any mention of ethnicity.

Just stop.

You obviously haven't a notion. And I, personally, take huge exception to history being used to promote some xenophobic agenda.

The Gaels didn't arrive until around 2,500 BCE.
There is a 12th century work called Lebor Gabála Érenn (The Book of Invasions) which contains the origin myths/stories of the Gaels (Sythia to Egypt to Iberia to Ireland). It tells how the Gaels defeated the previous inhabitants of Ireland.

Ireland is an Island - it has no "native" population. What it has is a population consisting of the descendants of various immigrants - some of whom arrived over 10,000 years ago in the Stone Age and some of whom arrived far more recently.

The blood of the Irish contains Gael, Norse, Dane, Anglo, Saxon, Norman, Welsh, Pict, French, Basque.... English, Polish, Nigerian,... all depending on when people's ancestors arrived on this ISLAND.

riffmongous

vladmydad wrote: »

A few deaths is a small price to pay for cultural enrichment

I'd be very curious to know what you actually know about irish culture

stimpson

vladmydad wrote: »

Lol all Irish politics is about leftism. FF FG SF labour all left wing , pro immigration, pro EU, socially liberal.

I guess when you’re extreme right wing then everything looks left.

Sir Oxman

stimpson wrote: »

I don’t think you’re Irish at all, Vlad.

If you were, then you would realise that ALL Irish politics is about the Civil war. We have an openly gay, half Indian Taoiseach and the only reason people hate him is that he’s a Blueshirt.

Nobody cares where the immigrants are from as long as they take your side.

Haha, true!

greenfield21

Palmach wrote: »

Well done you for your silly knee jerk reaction. One of the reasons migration does not discussed as much as it should is that birdbrains like you start this rubbish. Not discussing it leads to Brexit, the EDL, Le Pen Trump etc. If it happens here you really will be clutching your pearls.

I think Trump and brexit will look like a cute bear for what might be coming down the line in years to come. Realistically I think a worsening economic situation will lead to a further rise up and rejection of globalist views.

WoolyJumper

vladmydad wrote: »

Without the racist, xenophobic accusations and all that crap, does anyone have any concerns about just how rapidly the Irish people are decreasing in Ireland ?
It’s a very recent phenomenon and given that immigration into Ireland is ever increasing and that the birth rates of the “new” Irish are dramatically higher than natives. It is inevitable that 82% will soon be 70% , 55%, 40% etc.

There is no debate in Irish media or politics about this and we have never voted on the issue. In fact it’s actually taboo. What are your thoughts?

You dont really state what your concern is but I'm assume its related to vastly different cultures and religions becoming too influential. If that is the case then lets think about it for a minute..18% is a very small number of people. When you take out the all the immigrants from "Western Countries" similar to our own that number is even smaller. Take out those from Eastern EU countries and then you are left with a tiny number of immigrants that have a vastly different culture to our own.

Also take into account all the multinational companies in Ireland that serve the EU market. That growth happened pretty quickly too. They need to serve the EU market and therefore need people who speak multiple languages. That is going to bring a lot of French, Germans, Dutch, Spanish etc to Ireland and would contribute the the fast growth in non natives. So its not really much of a concern.

If you are concerned about Ireland becoming more diverse and losing our "distinct Irishness" then I would say go and try some Brazilian BBQ and you will change your mind. But seriously Irish people are great and all but there is more to life than just our culture and bit of diversity makes life more interesting.


Also the number of Irish people isn't decreasing...Irish people aren't ceasing to exist. There are just more people in Ireland not from here

vladmydad

stimpson wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

Lol all Irish politics is about leftism. FF FG SF labour all left wing , pro immigration, pro EU, socially liberal.

I guess when you’re extreme right wing then everything looks left.

Atila the Hun ain’t got nothin on me

stimpson

vladmydad wrote: »

Lol all Irish politics is about leftism. FF FG SF labour all left wing , pro immigration, pro EU, socially liberal.

I guess when you’re extreme right wing then everything looks left.

Sir Oxman

The OP was called out early and by page 2, I can see why

biko

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/
Country of origin of non-Irish nationals resident in Ireland classified by number of persons, 2016

Lots of yanks and brits

vladmydad

Sir Oxman wrote: »

The OP was called out early and by page 2, I can see why

Victims of cultural enrichment have it coming ehh

El Weirdo

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The argument to pure genetics is only made by the left in fact, as a strawman argument that they claim the right makes.

[...]

They know, and we know, that that are the most racist class in the country. They know and we know that they have a lock on upper middle class jobs for upper middle class white Irish (RTE). . They know and we know they are the classes that largely supported the racist British empire.

But we also know we can’t say it.

And yet here you are.

Saying it.