Ireland is now only 82% Native Irish.

Harry Palmr

Deleted User wrote: »

Bottom line is that inviting half the world into Europe disenfranchises the locals, especially the younger generation who are competing for jobs and housing. Its a dick move. Ireland has a relatively small population and can be overwhelmed with numbers very easily. I truly believe the do gooders have no notion just how many people there are out there in the third world who would love to come over.

Can you offer a shred of evidence to back up this claim? Half the world?

p1akuw47h5r3it

Graniteville wrote: »

My father was a good Northern Loyalist Presbyterian with a union jack passport. My mother is from tipp, but her Father was from France.

Does that make me 1/4 french, 1/2 British and a touch Irish. Or because I was born and bred here, am I 100% Irish?

A staff member of mine who is black, but born here to nigerian parents - is she Nigerian or Irish (she says 100% Irish and has a Leinster season ticket to prove it)? Her accent is Irish, she'd put most of us to shame with her fluency in the Irish language and is studying tourism to promote Ireland.

At the end of the day, we're all part of the same world.

Not all part of the same culture though are we.

greencap

dxhound2005 wrote: »

At the end of the day we all have to get up in the morning.

Tomorrow is Sunday.

AbdulAbhaile

stimpson wrote: »

Stop twisting my words. I don’t mind the Poles but I draw the line at Kerrymen.

You sir are only a Healeyraycist.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Harry Palmr wrote: »

People falling for a another Putinbot dog-whistle thread. Are the mods asleep or are they all Putinbots?

There’s only one putinbot mod and the op isn’t putin but his son. Apparently.

Kivaro

Harry Palmr wrote: »

People falling for a another Putinbot dog-whistle thread. Are the mods asleep or are they all Putinbots?

Well, I know that there is at least one mod who is a Putinbot.

Deub

sasta le wrote: »

Look how bad all the Muslims are intergating

All?
You don't know many muslims, do you?

backspin.

Graniteville wrote: »

My father was a good Northern Loyalist Presbyterian with a union jack passport. My mother is from tipp, but her Father was from France.

Does that make me 1/4 french, 1/2 British and a touch Irish..

That's an interesting one, you are probably as ethnically Irish as a very large proportion of the rest of us. As we have so much Norman and British blood here anyway.

engiweirdo

backspin. wrote: »

As we have so much Norman and British blood here anyway.

Relatively little actually, which is surprising given how long they were here. As horrific a thought as it (oddly) seems to be for some people, Ireland is mostly Gaelic/whatever term you wish to apply to original settlers on the island and quite genetically disparate from Britain.

JohnMc1

vladmydad wrote: »

Don’t the people make the place ?
I mean if I went to Japan in 40 years and saw (hypothetically) 50% Nigerian , am I in Japan anymore ?

This is why tourism will be hurt here at some stage. People come to hear the Irish accents as well. If all they see and hear are Africans or other non-Irish accents they'll end up saying "I should have just went to that Country instead."

Billy Mays

JohnMc1 wrote: »

This is why tourism will be hurt here at some stage. People come to hear the Irish accents as well. If all they see and hear are Africans or other non-Irish accents they'll end up saying "I should have just went to that Country instead."

So when do you reckon it'll be that nobody living in the country of Ireland will have an Irish accent?

The fcuking hyperbole out of some people

batgoat

JohnMc1 wrote: »

This is why tourism will be hurt here at some stage. People come to hear the Irish accents as well. If all they see and hear are Africans or other non-Irish accents they'll end up saying "I should have just went to that Country instead."

You've previously said that there's a plot to commit a white genocide, correct? Because it irritates me when posters mask your motivations which I suspect you are.

Stereotypes about the Irish will live on and they're rarely accurate. By your logic, Ireland should have stayed like Peig...

Billy Mays

batgoat wrote: »

You've previously said that there's a plot to commit a white genocide, correct? Because it irritates me when posters mask your motivations which I suspect you are.

Stereotypes about the Irish will live on and they're rarely accurate. By your logic, Ireland should have stayed like Peig...

Jesus yes, forgot he's the guy who thinks repealing the 8th ammendment is part of a plot to wipe out the white race

Mr. CooL ICE

JohnMc1 wrote: »

This is why tourism will be hurt here at some stage. People come to hear the Irish accents as well. If all they see and hear are Africans or other non-Irish accents they'll end up saying "I should have just went to that Country instead."

An accent tourist. That's a new one.

zapitastas

Billy Mays wrote: »

So when do you reckon it'll be that nobody living in the country of Ireland will have an Irish accent?

The fcuking hyperbole out of some people

I think that the regional accents are definitely diminishing. Not due to immigration but probably youtube.

pavb2

Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese and there are 5 people in my family so it must be one of them. It’s either my mum or my dad, or my older brother Colin, or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu . . . but I think it's Colin.

greencap

There seems to be a bit of hyperbole running through this thread.

A kind of inference towards African/Middle eastern invasion of some kind.

I suspect OP felt it necessary to leave out some facts, in order to paint a picture of something which just isn't true.

(hence the lack of a link to the numbers, which contain the inconvenient text ''Other White: 9.5%'')

Republic of Ireland demographics have ''total White'' at 92.4% (2016).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Ethnic_groups

Northern Ireland demographics have ''total White'' at 98.28% (2011).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Northern_Ireland#Ethnicity

Now, make what you will of the self evident dangers of Islam, and other difficult truths associated with Mid-east or African immigration. It would be right to have reservations in many cases.

But, for any talk of significant ethnic change in Ireland we can rule out the hyperbole that this change is in any way imminent and/or that it will be to a much more African/Mid-eastern based population.

Whole island white ethnicity using the above CITED stats is 95.34%.

Which means that, even considering that one stat is from 2011, no we're not being over run by non-Europeans.

Thats not coming from a lefty, (or a righty) its just coming from available online stats.

Lefty Bicek

Many years ago, I worked in a well-known Kilkenny hotel.

It is very true to say that in particular American guests wanted the friendly interaction, the local knowledge of good pubs, live music, history etc and they loved that part of the experience. Nobody really comes to Ireland for what is after all very average architecture, lakes, mountains etc.

They would have, and I'm sure still do know the difference between a traditional Irish welcome and the rather more detached interaction they might get from a central European person working in an Irish hotel.

If you have a tourist industry which so often hangs it's hat on the 'cead mile failte' reputation, then first impressions count. Especially given the fleecing they get while they're here.

AllForIt

I would only be concerned if we had areas that changed such that one specific foreign nationality became a significant proportion of that area, say if it reached 15%. If the mix were a mixture of a range of nationalities/cultures that's fine but not if it's all the same one.

Billy86

Mark Rippetoe wrote: »

An accent tourist. That's a new one.

More "genuine concerns" from the same old reliable crowd.

Weirdly, and I hope anyone reading has taken a seat, the two black kids in my class in the 90s (one whose parents were both Ghanaian, the other whose dad was Nigerian) had Dublin accents. Might have been something to do with the fact they were born and raised in Dublin........... but I think it's more likely got something to do with George Soros.

biko

For everyone asking for source:
https://www.indexmundi.com/ireland/demographics_profile.html

Irish 82.2%, Irish travelers 0.7%, other white 9.5%, Asian 2.1%, black 1.4%, other 1.5%, unspecified 2.6% (2016 est.)

Franz Von Peppercorn

Billy86 wrote: »

More "genuine concerns" from the same old reliable crowd.

Weirdly, and I hope anyone reading has taken a seat, the two black kids in my class in the 90s (one whose parents were both Ghanaian, the other whose dad was Nigerian) had Dublin accents. Might have been something to do with the fact they were born and raised in Dublin........... but I think it's more likely got something to do with George Soros.

You guys keep bringing it back to race. However that particularly segue was about Irish workers in the tourism industry not white Irish workers in the tourism industry.

Similarly the op mentions 82% Irish and people respond with the fact that’s it’s actually 94% white. But that’s not what he was concerned about.

batgoat

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You guys keep bringing it back to race. However that particularly segue was about Irish workers in the tourism industry not white Irish workers in the tourism industry.

Similarly the op mentions 82% Irish and people respond with the fact that’s it’s actually 94% white. But that’s not what he was concerned about.

Yes, the segue from the guy who believes there's a plot for a white genocide...

Billy86

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You guys keep bringing it back to race..

No, that wasn't me. That was JohnMc1. Here's the post for you:

This is why tourism will be hurt here at some stage. People come to hear the Irish accents as well. If all they see and hear are Africans or other non-Irish accents they'll end up saying "I should have just went to that Country instead."

I went to school with two kids who had African parents, and both being born and raised in Dublin they had strong Dublin accents - to say "you guys" (e.g. I) brought back to race is merely projecting in this case, unless you have me confused with one of the most extreme right posters on AH.

buried

Whats with the "unspecified 2.6%" - Illuminati Lizard Masons?

Stephen15

JohnMc1 wrote: »

This is why tourism will be hurt here at some stage. People come to hear the Irish accents as well. If all they see and hear are Africans or other non-Irish accents they'll end up saying "I should have just went to that Country instead."

Exactly globalisation is going to destroy tourism. What's the point on visiting a place if it's the same as every other
place. Look at the crime carried out by these migrants I was in Italy recently and an Arab tried to rob my phone quickly left when I threatened to call the police as he'd probably be deported since Italy has taken an excellent no nonsense approach to immigration.

Also look at terrorist attacks I don't know about others but I'm not taking my chances going to the UK, Germany, France and Belgium at the moment with the current jihadist craze. However I'm sure Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and now Italy are all beneffitting from increased tourism due their common sense immigration approaches.

greencap

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You guys keep bringing it back to race. However that particularly segue was about Irish workers in the tourism industry not white Irish workers in the tourism industry.

Similarly the op mentions 82% Irish and people respond with the fact that’s it’s actually 94% white. But that’s not what he was concerned about.

Whats to be concerned about as regards the secular westernized Europeans with high employment rates coming here?

Oh no, 9.5% of our population are from other European/Western countries, and are pretty much identical to us except for their funny accents. We're fuking doomed.

Odhinn

buried wrote: »

Whats with the "unspecified 2.6%" - Illuminati Lizard Masons?

Nigerian Single Mother Muslim Travellers - the group that dare not speak its name.

batgoat

Hmmm, poster now too frightened to visit some of the safest countries in the globe, regardless of terror attacks.

Odhinn

greencap wrote: »

Whats to be concerned about as regards the secular westernized Europeans with high employment rates coming here?

Oh no, 9.5% of our population are from other European/Western countries, and are pretty much identical to us except for their funny accents. We're fuking doomed.

..totally. We'll never learn Polish for starters.

Lefty Bicek

greencap wrote: »

Whats to be concerned about as regards the secular westernized Europeans with high employment rates coming here?

Oh no, 9.5% of our population are from other European/Western countries, and are pretty much identical to us except for their funny accents. We're fuking doomed.

No, they aren't. Not by a million miles.

That doesn't matter much when you're working on a production line, but matters a great deal when you're in the hospitality industry.

theguzman

There must be a huge amount of Brazilians in Ireland now, they seem to be the biggest minority in Dublin, every single language school is full of Brazilian students. Sizeable amounts of Mexicans and Bolivians also. They were really noticeable during the World Cup this summer and places like Dicey's and Living Room are thronged usually with Latina hotties.

Stephen15

It's as if we don't have enough junkies in Dublin city centre intimidating tourists but now the left want to add migrant gangs from Africa and the Middle East to the mix to further put tourists off.

greencap

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

No, they aren't. Not by a million miles.

That doesn't matter much when you're working on a production line, but matters a great deal when you're in the hospitality industry.

What?

lol.

I've worked with many Polish and Lithuanians.

More than a few of them were indistinguishable until they opened their gobs.

Of the current Polish guys I work with one looks like the typical proto-skanger, the other has a pure Dougal head on him.

Fuk sake. If a tourist is really so up their own hole that they can't tolerate an accent then do we really need them?

qwerty ui op

JohnMc1 wrote: »

This is why tourism will be hurt here at some stage. People come to hear the Irish accents as well. If all they see and hear are Africans or other non-Irish accents they'll end up saying "I should have just went to that Country instead."

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Many years ago, I worked in a well-known Kilkenny hotel.

It is very true to say that in particular American guests wanted the friendly interaction, the local knowledge of good pubs, live music, history etc and they loved that part of the experience. Nobody really comes to Ireland for what is after all very average architecture, lakes, mountains etc.

They would have, and I'm sure still do know the difference between a traditional Irish welcome and the rather more detached interaction they might get from a central European person working in an Irish hotel.

If you have a tourist industry which so often hangs it's hat on the 'cead mile failte' reputation, then first impressions count. Especially given the fleecing they get while they're here.

Stephen15 wrote: »

Exactly globalisation is going to destroy tourism. What's the point on visiting a place if it's the same as every other
place. Look at the crime carried out by these migrants I was in Italy recently and an Arab tried to rob my phone quickly left when I threatened to call the police as he'd probably be deported since Italy has taken an excellent no nonsense approach to immigration.

Also look at terrorist attacks I don't know about others but I'm not taking my chances going to the UK, Germany, France and Belgium at the moment with the current jihadist craze. However I'm sure Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and now Italy are all beneffitting from increased tourism due their common sense immigration approaches.

Stephen15 wrote: »

It's as if we don't have enough junkies in Dublin city centre intimidating tourists but now the left want to add migrant gangs from Africa and the Middle East to the mix to further put tourists off.

Scaremongering doesn't even work that great, when very clever people spend a lot of time concocting a story that might be someway plausible.

These post are not scaremongering they're simply too dumb to be put in that category,it might sound great in your mind but trust me everyone who reads it knows it's some stupid **** you just came up with.

take a step back for a minute and ask yourself who would actually read this shoit and have it a impact on their views

or
you could take a step back look at your own personal lives and ask yourself have you ever been able change anyone's view on anything ever.

I doubt it.

Lefty Bicek

greencap wrote: »

What?

lol.

I've worked with many Polish and Lithuanians.

More than a few of them were indistinguishable until they opened their gobs.

Of the current Polish guys I work with one looks like the typical proto-skanger, the other has a pure Dougal head on him.

I wasn't talking about how they look.

Get 100 of your Dougals onto the subject of the 'religion of peace', or Frau Merkel's open borders lunacy on immigration into Europe, and see how indistinguishable from you they are.

Fuk sake. If a tourist is really so up their own hole that they can't tolerate an accent then do we really need them?

Again, nothing to do with intolerance of accent.

It is to do with the expectations that people have had based on the image of Ireland that has been sold to them. The land of a thousand welcomes is not always quite so.

You may not have a lot of sympathy for Irish-Americans who spent years and years saving for the trip of a lifetime to 'the old sod', but there it is. It has happened.

The_Brood

In Dublin my estimation is 20-25 percent at most Irish, the rest are foreigners.

batgoat

The_Brood wrote: »

In Dublin my estimation is 20-25 percent at most Irish, the rest are foreigners.

That's nonsense........

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Again, nothing to do with intolerance of accent.

It is to do with the expectations that people have had based on the image of Ireland that has been sold to them. The land of a thousand welcomes is not always quite so.

You may not have a lot of sympathy for Irish-Americans who spent years and years saving for the trip of a lifetime to 'the old sod', but there it is. It has happened.

Since Ireland is rarely like the stereotypes about the nation, our tourism should have been hit when people discovered we weren't the land of leprechauns. Ireland has changed socially to an extraordinary degree since the 90s. Tourism continues to thrive.

Billy86

The_Brood wrote: »

In Dublin my estimation is 20-25 percent at most Irish, the rest are foreigners.

I reckon at most it's 0.01% Irish. I think I was the only Irish person remaining before I left. There are no more Irish people, not a single one, in Dublin.

Anyway, the reason I can't take your opinion even remotely serious is that Dublin has a population of 1.3mn. If 75% of those were not Irish, that would mean there would be 975,000 foreigners living in Dublin. The problem is, the entire Republic of Ireland only has about 630,000 foreigners (13.1% of our 4.8mn). See the issue?

greencap

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I wasn't talking about how they look.

Get 100 of your Dougals onto the subject of the 'religion of peace', or Frau Merkel's open borders lunacy on immigration into Europe, and see how indistinguishable from you they are.

I'd say they were largely not too keen on the religion of peace, then again neither am I.
They'd probably go a bit harder on Merkel though.

So what? They almost always did their fair share.

Again, nothing to do with intolerance of accent.

It is to do with the expectations that people have had based on the image of Ireland that has been sold to them. The land of a thousand welcomes is not always quite so.

You may not have a lot of sympathy for Irish-Americans who spent years and years saving for the trip of a lifetime to 'the old sod', but there it is. It has happened.

I really don't get this, so they fly over, and their receptionist is Marta instead of Brid? ... I mean if that ruins the trip, then I don't know, I give up, sorry we're not all river dancing and playing hurling with pints of Guinness.

Turns out we're not a caricature people living in a wee theme park. Apologies.

disco1

Good news I suppose.

Galwayguy35

People from Eastern Europe coming here is a positive thing overall, they arrive and start working straight away.

I'm not really happy about all the economic migrants arriving from outside the EU though and looking for asylum, they just see this country as a soft touch where they can get easy money.

Lefty Bicek

qwerty ui op wrote: »

Scaremongering doesn't even work that great, when very clever people spend a lot of time concocting a story that might be someway plausible.

These post are not scaremongering they're simply too dumb to be put in that category,it might sound great in your mind but trust me everyone who reads it knows it's some stupid **** you just came up with.

take a step back for a minute and ask yourself who would actually read this shoit and have it a impact on their views

or
you could take a step back look at your own personal lives and ask yourself have you ever been able change anyone's view on anything ever.

I doubt it.

Maybe if you had real-world experience of the workplace... ?

Anyway, you accuse me of scaremongering. My answer is to give you evidence from the UK hotel sector.

Yet, it is not clear whether international migration in the hospitality industry serves as a positive or negative factor (Choi, Woods, & Murrmann2000)

nearly a half of the employers claimed that they received negative comments, regarding Eastern European workers, from customers,

By contrast, a number of practitioners also raised concerns about the fact that Eastern Europeans can sometimes be very direct and say something that in the UK might be perceived as too forward or even rude. One of the interviewees noticed that due to their “broken” English (they do not know what to say and how to say it) Eastern European workers might sound more abrupt than British employees.

https://chesterrep.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10034/605878/Published+Article.pdf;jsessionid=DC4FE27B1440A050309D1ED3F0A61EAE?sequence=7

Some muppet will be along shortly to claim that what goes on in Perfidious Albion could never happen here...

brightspark

Not really news...

https://owlcation.com/stem/Irish-Blood-Genetic-Identity

Most of us are originally descended from central Europeans so perhaps all the new arrivals are just distant cousins rejoining us?

Lefty Bicek

greencap wrote: »

I'd say they were largely not too keen on the religion of peace, then again neither am I.
They'd probably go a bit harder on Merkel though.

Understatement of the year.

So what? They almost always did their fair share.

I presume you're referring to their work ethic ? In which case, I would say they are superior. But again, different.

I really don't get this, so they fly over, and their receptionist is Marta instead of Brid? ... I mean if that ruins the trip, then I don't know, I give up, sorry we're not all river dancing and playing hurling with pints of Guinness.

Turns out we're not a caricature people living in a wee theme park. Apologies.

No need to apologise to me, I don't care. I got out of that exploitative sh1t industry years ago.

But yes, it is the case that some Yanks have been disgruntled.

Again, I truly don't care, but the hospitality sector would be foolish not to be aware of it, no ?

And it is pretty pathetic for softheads here to shout 'scaremongering' about things they have no knowledge of just because it doesn't fit the one-world-view.

Franz Von Peppercorn

I believe central Dublin is 50% Irish.

(None of them working. Ba da boom, ba da tish).

greencap

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

But yes, it is the case that some Yanks have been disgruntled.

Again, I truly don't care, but the hospitality sector would be foolish not to be aware of it, no ?

I'm sure that industry can look after itself.

We're not so broke that we have to worry about the occasional disgruntled Yank.

This is all so pointless. End thread. Disaster thread.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

No need to apologise to me, I don't care. I got out of that exploitative sh1t industry years ago.

But yes, it is the case that some Yanks have been disgruntled.

Again, I truly don't care, but the hospitality sector would be foolish not to be aware of it, no ?

And it is pretty pathetic for softheads here to shout 'scaremongering' about things they have no knowledge of just because it doesn't fit the one-world-view.

A lot of Americans who come here tend to be old and rich and they tend to go the castle type places which are in fact tend to employ Irish people in client facing jobs. So I dint think that’s much of a problem.

Franz Von Peppercorn

greencap wrote: »

I'm sure that industry can look after itself.

We're not so broke that we have to worry about the occasional disgruntled Yank.

This is all so pointless. End thread. Disaster thread.

Oh. Ok. Didn’t think you had this power.

Lefty Bicek

greencap wrote: »

I'm sure that industry can look after itself.

We're not so broke that we have to worry about the occasional disgruntled Yank.

This is all so pointless. End thread. Disaster thread.

I'm sure it can too. It's an important sector, though I realise it's changing from the older model.

I couldn't care less about the Yanks, but I do love kicking the feeble 'we are all the same' narrative that wants to shout down any dissent.

We are not all the same.