Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

fryup

Danzy wrote: »

Bringing in paramilitaries with a pathological hatred of zirudh Catholics was never going to be a good idea.

:rolleyes:

no evidence that they're paramilitaries? were go you get your info? an phoblacht?

armaghlad

fryup wrote: »

:rolleyes:

no evidence that they're paramilitaries? were go you get your info? an phoblacht?

Ex UDR

eagle eye

fryup wrote:

no evidence that they're paramilitaries? were go you get your info? an phoblacht?

Where did you get your info that they're not?

STB.

gctest50 wrote: »

Co. Roscommon farmer Anthony McGann is the farmer with the largest figure on the tax defaulters list.

At one stage he might have been. Lets give this some relevance here shall we (we have many ex tax defaulters in the Dáil).

€456,784 was paid in a settlement this year by someone for under-declaration of VAT.

Who was it ? Clue it wasn't the chap in Strokestown.

Roscommon County Council

Guy:Incognito

stevielink wrote: »

However,
From what I could see, the eviction itself was a violent affair with at least one man getting a beating from several civilians whilst 2 Gardai stood idly be and said it was on private property so there was nothing they could do.
.

Getting a beating or getting dragged out? Where's the beating?

h2005

Wonder how the quarry owner feels about this? Guy rips off him for 18k, the Irish taxpayer for 180k and is depicted as an elderly martyr

amcalester

STB. wrote: »

At one stage he might have been. Lets give this some relevance here shall we.

€456,784 was paid in a settlement this year by someone for under-declaration of VAT.

Who was it ? Clue it wasn't the chap in Strokestown.

Roscommon County Council

Is Roscommon County Council a farmer?

STB.

amcalester wrote: »

Is Roscommon County Council a farmer?

No another tax defaulter.

stevielink

stevielink wrote: »

for whatever reason, the homeowners were evicted. If the eviction order was valid, then so be it. This is what happens when mortgages aren't paid. There has to be some form of comeback from the banks otherwise no one would pay their mortgage.

However,
From what I could see, the eviction itself was a violent affair with at least one man getting a beating from several civilians whilst 2 Gardai stood idly be and said it was on private property so there was nothing they could do.
Garda management need to clarify this. Does this also mean if a man is beating up his wife at home, or if a woman is beating up her husband, that there is nothing the Gardai can do because it on private property? Genuine question.
Equally, if someone goes into a shop and smashes up several expensive TV's, the Guards can do nothing because it's on private property? Garda management need to come out with a statement on this.

Like I said, if the eviction order was lawful then the person needs to be evicted, however I think firstly it could have waited until after Christmas, and secondly sending in several burly men from outside the jurisdiction, some of whom I believe had paramilitary connections, is of course only going to enrage people, and rightly so.

Violence is never the asnwer and I equally condemn the people who took revenge on Saturday night/Sunday morning.

However this could and should have been handled by the Financial institution completely differently.

Got a link to a video with times of the beating? From what I've seen it looked unpleasant but moving someone who doesn't want to be moved is generally not going to look nice.

Guy:Incognito

Danzy wrote: »

Bringing in paramilitaries with a pathological hatred of zirudh Catholics was never going to be a good idea.

Roughing up old people was not going to go down well.

And we circle all the way back to paramilitaries and old people.

Head out on the road there and ask a few lads in their 50s if they need help crossing the road. Make sure to explain to them they are old.

TJJP

Have we a new definition for 'old people' now? I think the official retirement age is now circa 67?

'in his 50s and his brother ... and sister ....., both in their 60s'

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/roscommon-eviction-falsk-strokestown-kbc-13742736

Cupatae

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And we circle all the way back to paramilitaries and old people.

Head out on the road there and ask a few lads in their 50s if they need help crossing the road. Make sure to explain to them they are old.

should we just leave it at, he owed money to the banks and the banks were dead right to handle the situation the way that they did, with no moral or legal wrongs done.

Would that suit ya?

amcalester

STB. wrote: »

No another tax defaulter.

Do you have a breakdown of the figure?

I’d be curious as to how much is the original underpayment and how much is interest/fines.

stevielink

Deleted User wrote: »

Got a link to a video with times of the beating? From what I've seen it looked unpleasant but moving someone who doesn't want to be moved is generally not going to look nice.

Regardless of whether it was a beating, an assault or roughly moving someone off a property, a complaint was made to the Gardai at the scene about an assault (the video shows a man on the ground with several men over him), and the Gardai didn't intervene. Why not?
If a complaint is made to Gardai they must do something.

stevielink

stevielink wrote: »

Regardless of whether it was a beating, an assault or roughly moving someone off a property, a complaint was made to the Gardai at the scene about an assault (the video shows a man on the ground with several men over him), and the Gardai didn't intervene. Why not?
If a complaint is made to Gardai they must do something.

Bit of a sweeping statement. If the Garda is watching and in his opinion the law isn't being broken then how or why should he intervene? If someone is trespassing and are told to leave I don't think too many courts will convict someone for removing them without harm.

Deise Vu

You've gotta laugh at some people. If a businessman owed VAT of nearly €500K, was making no attempt to pay it and, in fact, wasn't paying his suppliers either, but was still continuing his business as if nothing was amiss, people would be up in arms saying close him down straight away. But throw in not paying his mortgage and being some class of farmer then round up the troops and protect him because, you know, the famine.

Anyone who sides with this guy should never complain about exhorbitant bank interest in this country again. Because of cases like this, no foreign bank will come into the market and the indigenous ones are free to add another 2% onto law-abiding people because that will compensate them for tulips like this guy. Also don't complain about banks not lending money if you think it is acceptable that the bank can never recover it's security in the event of a default. This case is one of the reasons why you can only get a loan in this country if you don't need it.

fryup

look at the people who are posting on Youtube...

...."RA man" "Republican SF" c'mon now...i take those videos with a pinch of salt

Maewyn Succat

Billcarson wrote: »

Like the French were protesting just for the sake if it were they these last few weeks.?People in this country are sheep but I'm hopeful that will change .

Are you a sheep too or do you actually have any ideas on how things should change?

Guy:Incognito

Cupatae wrote: »

should we just leave it at, he owed money to the banks and the banks were dead right to handle the situation the way that they did, with no moral or legal wrongs done.

Would that suit ya?

The truth? Yeah. That's fine.

STB.

amcalester wrote: »

Do you have a breakdown of the figure?

I’d be curious as to how much is the original underpayment and how much is interest/fines.

€101,111 of that total amount was penalties

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/1204/1015086-tax-defaulters-list/

BattleCorp

For those who think the Nordies shouldn't have been involved in the eviction -

Do you think there should have been an eviction in the first place? At least try answer that please.

Cupatae

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The truth? Yeah. That's fine.

Ya its as black and white as that isnt it...

BattleCorp

amcalester wrote: »

Do you have a breakdown of the figure?

I’d be curious as to how much is the original underpayment and how much is interest/fines.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the eviction. That is money owed to the taxman.

The eviction was because they own money to the bank.

Guy:Incognito

stevielink wrote: »

Regardless of whether it was a beating, an assault or roughly moving someone off a property, a complaint was made to the Gardai at the scene about an assault (the video shows a man on the ground with several men over him), and the Gardai didn't intervene. Why not?
If a complaint is made to Gardai they must do something.

"the guy got a beating ".

" the video shows no beating"

" yeah well that's irrelevant "

Such horse****.

And no if the Gardai are looking at something happening and are satisfied all is in order, they should do anything just because a member of the public yells them too. If it was the other we around and the person was arrested you'd be whinging the Gardai were doing the bidding of private security.

Guy:Incognito

Cupatae wrote: »

Ya its as black and white as that isnt it...

Yes it is. People refuse to leave the banks house. Bank has them removed.

Cupatae

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

"the guy got a beating ".

" the video shows no beating"

" yeah well that's irrelevant "

Such horse****.

And no if the Gardai are looking at something happening and are satisfied all is in order, they should do anything just because a member of the public yells them too. If it was the other we around and the person was arrested you'd be whinging the Gardai were doing the bidding of private security.

Will you go way man you cant see the Forrest for the trees, talking nonsense.

stevielink

Deleted User wrote: »

Bit of a sweeping statement. If the Garda is watching and in his opinion the law isn't being broken then how or why should he intervene? If someone is trespassing and are told to leave I don't think too many courts will convict someone for removing them without harm.

so you're telling me that if one person is physically assaulting/manhandling/touching another person and that person doesnt want to be assaulted/manhandled/touched, then it's a case of tough sh*t, suck it up?

That's just crazy. Sure then there's no-one out there to protect us at all in that case.

amcalester

BattleCorp wrote: »

This has absolutely nothing to do with the eviction. That is money owed to the taxman.

The eviction was because they own money to the bank.

Yup, I'm well aware of that.

Was just wondering if the level of fine/charges owed to Revenue by this guy were comparable to other settlements.

It gives an indication of his levels of cooperation when he owes money.

If he didnt engage with Revenue, then I doubt he was too forthcoming with KBC.

BattleCorp

stevielink wrote: »

so you're telling me that if one person is physically assaulting/manhandling/touching another person and that person doesnt want to be assaulted/manhandled/touched, then it's a case of tough sh*t, suck it up?

That's just crazy. Sure then there's no-one out there to protect us at all in that case.

If I trespass onto your property, are you allowed to assault/manhandle/touch/push me out of there?

STB.

BattleCorp wrote: »

This has absolutely nothing to do with the eviction. That is money owed to the taxman.

The eviction was because they own money to the bank.

Tell that to the same eejit who keeps bringing up the issue and calling them "scumbags".

BattleCorp wrote: »

If I trespass onto your property, are you allowed to assault/manhandle/touch/push me out of there?

Yes.

cameramonkey

Deise Vu wrote: »

nd protect him because, you know, the famine.

Anyone who sides with this guy should never complain about exhorbitant bank interest in this country again. Because of cases like this, no foreign bank will come into the market and the indigenous ones are free to add another 2% onto law-abiding people because that will compensate them for tulips like this guy.

Have you got a link to where this is actually evaluated. I mean a proper explanation of the figures involve.


How come when there were very few repossessions in the past that the interest rates were still very high?


I think Irish consumers are suffering exorbitant bank charges and interest rates because the banks can get away.


AIB made in the first 6 months profits of 726 million, BOI 500 million in 2018, they are making money hand over fist.



The story that some how our interest are high because of repossession problems does not in my mind add up. It is just an excuse to gouge Irish people.

BattleCorp

amcalester wrote: »

Yup, I'm well aware of that.

Was just wondering if the level of fine/charges owed to Revenue by this guy were comparable to other settlements.

It gives an indication of his levels of cooperation when he owes money.

If he didnt engage with Revenue, then I doubt he was too forthcoming with KBC.

I'd say you are correct.

Mrsmum

BattleCorp wrote: »

For those who think the Nordies shouldn't have been involved in the eviction -

Do you think there should have been an eviction in the first place? At least try answer that please.

Yes as a very last resort. I'd have to be thoroughly satisfied that every option was taken to get a workable solution, not just to get them out.

But who among us would evict anyone two weeks before Christmas ???

And also who among us would send a crowd wearing Rangers jerseys into a Celtic pub to deal with Celtic fan ???

FTA69

So a group of elderly people in hoc to some vulture bank and were trying to repay the loan as best they can were forcibly evicted by a shower of Loyalist mercenaries and people ended up battering the hired thugs?

Good. Fair play to all involved. Hopefully opportunistic scumbags who bash old people on behalf of bankers will take note.

Grayson

As a side note, to diffuse the tension, cal we all agree that strokestown is a funny name?

BattleCorp

BattleCorp wrote: »

If I trespass onto your property, are you allowed to assault/manhandle/touch/push me out of there?

STB. wrote: »

Yes.

So if force is allowed to remove people who trespass, what's the problem here?

Skylinehead

FTA69 wrote: »

So a group of elderly people

Are we still claiming this

Guy:Incognito

Nixonbot wrote: »

Are we still claiming this

Well in fairness, it's as true as the rest of the post

cameramonkey

Are these the same balaclava wearing mob that evicted those people from the house in Dublin?

gctest50

amcalester wrote: »

Do you have a breakdown of the figure?

I’d be curious as to how much is the original underpayment and how much is interest/fines.

Fine = 100% amount owed


https://static.rasset.ie/documents/business/defaulters-list2-june2015.pdf

jmayo

venusdoom wrote: »

Really sad for the future reading this thread, no wonder the country is as corrupt and money grabbing as it is going by some of the posts.

The only money grabbing I see is from the individual who took out a loan and hasn't paid it back, under declared his VAT that he owed revenue and ran up debts with local businesses.

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I lost two houses in the crash. I didn't kick up a stink. I was very ill at the time and unable to work. I was too sick to sort out getting people to rent the houses. I had both of them rented before I got sick. I was out of action for four years and ended up owing the bank 19 k with nothing to show for it. I paid it off and I'm getting on with my life. I was lucky in the end though because I got letters and emails from the bank telling me that I was 'pre-approved' for another €270k mortgage, if I'd have taken them up on that things would have been so much worse for me financially. If that had of happened I'd be blaming the bank because they were trying to push me into it.

Yes but you were firstly sensible that you didn't totally overborrow and then when you did run into trouble you didn't double down and refuse to give up the securing assets.

Yes the bank were trying to convince you, they were salespeople after all, but you had sense enough to not be taken in.
You had what some of us call "personal responsibility".

And I hope you are back on your feet both financially and health wise.

nice_guy80 wrote: »

If any of ye knew the history of Strokestown and the area in relation to evictions during the 19th century you would understand the strong feelings of a family being turned out of their home (owing money or not)

People don't forget these things in rural areas.

I come from the worse famine struck area, Mayo.
You can still see the traces.

But that in no fooking way excuses some fooker down the road welching on their debts, bad debts whose cost is then carried by other customers of that same institution.
Fook that for a game of cowboys.

This is yet another example of the "we won't pay, we are entitled to what we want" hitching their bandwagon to some cause celebre only to discover they are a septic chancer.
Remember to poor elderly couple turfed out of their home in Dalkey, you know the ones that nearly 20 odd properties that were paying for. :rolleyes:

Of course in this case the added bonus is provo wantabees are having wet dreams about beating up loyalists neanderthals.

jmayo

Cupatae wrote: »

I love how all the people on here instantly side with the banks, people have short memories..recession anyone?

Maybe it is because we are "the banks".
The decent honest customers of the banks are the ones that suffer when leeching feckers screw the bank.

Who do you think carries the can for non performing loans, bad debts?
Do you think that they miraculously disappear up a bank managers ar**?
Do you think the shareholders stick their hands in their pockets ?

No the cost is carried by the banks customers somewhere along the line.

simongurnick wrote: »

Nonsense. How many people ditched their homes in the states during sub prime. Paddy nothing.

You see the difference between there and here is that they did ditch their homes, over here people thought they could hang onto their homes but ditch their debts. :rolleyes:

Billcarson wrote: »

Are you having a laugh. Revolution for what? Homelessness, health service, families being stretched to the limit, ever rising cost of living etc etc . That's my opinion and I'm sure many feel the same about the way this country is ruin

FFS the shinners, provos and lefties always love an old bit of social upheaval.

And what solutions do they offer ?
Violence, score settling and perhaps the magic money tree will provide for everyone. :rolleyes:

stevielink

BattleCorp wrote: »

If I trespass onto your property, are you allowed to assault/manhandle/touch/push me out of there?

not as far as i'm aware, no. If however you were in my house where my kids were alseep then yes I will do whatever is necessary.

that's not the same as manhandling someone at the front gate of a property within 2 feet of 2 Gardai who's assistance was requested but denied.

Caliden

cameramonkey wrote: »

Are these the same balaclava wearing mob that evicted those people from the house in Dublin?

Good chance they are.

KBC were the bank involved there too.

stevielink

BattleCorp wrote: »

So if force is allowed to remove people who trespass, what's the problem here?

but what law says that you are allowed to assault someone in your front garden? Can i do that to the postman/the leaflet delivery person/utility sompany sales reps?

Guy:Incognito

gctest50 wrote: »

Fine = 100% amount owed


https://static.rasset.ie/documents/business/defaulters-list2-june2015.pdf

That's what happens when you defraud revenue then dick them around.

BattleCorp

stevielink wrote: »

not as far as i'm aware, no. If however you were in my house where my kids were alseep then yes I will do whatever is necessary.

that's not the same as manhandling someone at the front gate of a property within 2 feet of 2 Gardai who's assistance was requested but denied.

But seriously though, if someone won't leave a property peacefully on foot of a court order, how on earth are you supposed to get them to leave if you can't force them out?

gandalf

Nixonbot wrote: »

Are we still claiming this

Right I'm 50 next year so I'll be heading to the Post Office to get my pension because I will then be elderly !!!!

Thatnastyboy

FTA69 wrote: »

So a group of elderly people in hoc to some vulture bank and were trying to repay the loan as best they can were forcibly evicted by a shower of Loyalist mercenaries and people ended up battering the hired thugs?

Good. Fair play to all involved. Hopefully opportunistic scumbags who bash old people on behalf of bankers will take note.

So a man in his 50s and older siblings were repeatedly requested to vacate a property that had been given up as collateral for a loan - they refused to vacate. As the loan was not being maintained, the lender decided to call in the security freely placed against the loan.

Poor, poor form to all involved. Hopefully people will consider the potential repercussions for non performance before entering into a legal agreement.

BattleCorp

stevielink wrote: »

but what law says that you are allowed to assault someone in your front garden? Can i do that to the postman/the leaflet delivery person/utility sompany sales reps?

I didn't realise there was a court order telling the postman/the leaflet delivery person/utility company sales reps to vacate your property.