Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

Naos

Cupatae wrote: »

i wonder if it was your family on the receiving end would you be so understanding. I highly doubt it, im glad the majority of people dont share your point of view.

And how would you feel if it was your family he owed the €18k too? What if your family couldn't afford to pay their mortgage because they didn't get paid?

LOTS OF PEOPLE wrote:

He stated he was British

These guys could be ex-UDF, ex-paramilitaries, thugs etc. but to be fair, if someone calls pretty much any Irish person English, they immediately retort with "I'm Irish". Rightly or wrongly, I'd strongly suggest this was the case here. He said it in a response to being called Irish.

Geuze

Kendra Dazzling Nail wrote: »

People who are struggling to pay their mortgage due to falling on hard times but who engage with their creditor and pay what they can... do not get evicted. People should stop buying into the populist bollox that someone who is doing their best will still get turfed out. Don't be so gullible and so determined to believe that the business is always bad and the customer is always put upon.

People who don't pay a thing, don't engage with the financial institution, and ignore REAMS of reminders, are the ones who get evicted. And when they're availing of a service but not paying towards it, something has to give.

+++++100%

tipptom

Mike9832 wrote: »

And our Gardaí impersonating the Police Academy

Could you imagine the Polish letting Germans come in to do that

More like German Nazi s.

If anybody does not know that the lad from the UDA hit squad was leaving a marker card by identifying himself as British to these people to stoke tensions then they have no experience of these scum and how they operate.

This case would not have had a thread but for the bank employing these scum.

Billcarson

BREAKING NEWS...

The elderly farmers and their sister are back in the house in Roscommon.

The eviction was possibly not lawful. The "court order" was questionable.

The family received legal advice.

The family have said to the media that they will not be making any statements.

caff

tipptom wrote: »

More like German Nazi s.

If anybody does not know that the lad from the UDA hit squad was leaving a marker card by identifying himself as British to these people to stoke tensions then they have no experience of these scum and how they operate.

This case would not have had a thread but for the bank employing these scum.

Are we certain the bank employed them. I thought it would be the Sheriff who appoints the bailiffs?

gctest50

Billcarson wrote: »

BREAKING NEWS...

The elderly farmers and their sister are back in the house in Roscommon.

The eviction was possibly not lawful. The "court order" was questionable.

The family received legal advice.

The family have said to the media that they will not be making any statements.

The 50 year old ?

Gimme A Pound

gctest50 wrote: »

The 50 year old ?

50 to 65 are those ages that are elderly when it suits, and "still young" in other situations where it suits.

Billcarson

gctest50 wrote: »

The 50 year old ?

Sickens you doesn't it. Lol

Sycamore Tree

Can we change the subject of the thread to provide some context rather than condemn an unfortunately named town in Roscommon?

eagle eye

Kendra Dazzling Nail wrote:

50 to 65 are those ages that are elderly when it suits, and "still young" in other situations where it suits.

Which is the 50 year old? I didn't hear anything about any 50 year old.

hatrickpatrick

Effects wrote: »

Don't pay your mortgage, you lose your house. Is that too simplistic?

Don't pay your debts, you lose your business and your investment. Is that too simplistic?

The rulebook on how debts should be handled was ripped up and thrown away the minute the Irish state forced its taxpayers to cover the debts of the banker-developer axis.

Feisar

Kendra Dazzling Nail wrote: »

50 to 65 are those ages that are elderly when it suits, and "still young" in other situations where it suits.

Did ya see the ould buck on Ireland's Fittest Families? He was as hard as a coffin nail. Probably smoked turf during "The Emergency"!

gandalf

Where is it being reported that they are being allowed back in? Not seeing it reported anywhere bar a post here atm.

hatrickpatrick

Billcarson wrote: »

BREAKING NEWS...

The elderly farmers and their sister are back in the house in Roscommon.

The eviction was possibly not lawful. The "court order" was questionable.

The family received legal advice.

The family have said to the media that they will not be making any statements.

Source for them having been able to get back into the house? The story yesterday didn't make it clear whether the attack had actually been successful in driving the 'security' goons from the property.

caff

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Source for them having been able to get back into the house? The story yesterday didn't make it clear whether the attack had actually been successful in driving the 'security' goons from the property.

Seems the be from the "call for an Irish revolution" Facebook page. Hope the legal advice is from a professional and not Ben Gilroy

Billcarson

caff wrote: »

Seems the be from the "call for an Irish revolution" Facebook page. Hope the legal advice is from a professional and not Ben Gilroy

Yes that was it

end of the road

seamus wrote: »

The problem here is that if you were to use Gardai, how would that look?

What would that do for the public impression of the Gardai if they were to be seen "dragging old people out of their homes before Xmas!". What would it do for their morale.

I agree that companies shouldn't resort to having to hire people to enforce their right to a court-ordered settlement.

This should be the function of a specific agency attached to the courts whose job it is to take possession of a property, forcefully evicting residents where necessary.

The UK have them, and it's a horrible job that should never be required, but the fact that people will ignore high court orders is what makes it necessary.

But this agency doesn't exist, so unfortunately private companies DO need to hire thugs to evict people from the company's property.


If you want to direct your protest somewhere, ask the Government why private citizens have to pay to enforce legal orders and why the state isn't doing it for them?

as far as i understand evictions in the uk are contracted to private companies now. unless that has changed again.
if it comes to a choice between the gardai and some private company then the gardai will always be the better option, even if it does mean an immage problem for them.

BattleCorp

Billcarson wrote: »

BREAKING NEWS...

The elderly farmers and their sister are back in the house in Roscommon.

The eviction was possibly not lawful. The "court order" was questionable.

The family received legal advice.

The family have said to the media that they will not be making any statements.

I can't talk about the legality of the eviction but how in the name of God was the court order questionable?


Just out of curiosity, where are you getting the above information? Is it in the media?


Edit. I see that the Liberal.ie are saying that the family are back in the house.

Guy:Incognito

Billcarson wrote: »

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The elderly farmers and their sister are back in the house in Roscommon.
.

No elderly people were evicted so how can elderly people be "back in"

Guy:Incognito

end of the road wrote: »

as far as i understand evictions in the uk are contracted to private companies now. unless that has changed again.
if it comes to a choice between the gardai and some private company then the gardai will always be the better option, even if it does mean an immage problem for them.

So instead of a private company evicting someone (though why anyone has an issue with this I don't know, it's an issue between a private company and its customer) , the Gardai should do the bidding of a private company looking to recover debts? And your ok with that?

Or is it just so rent a mobs can line up and chant at the Gardai for having nothing better to be doing and asking them are they proud of themselves?

gandalf

BattleCorp wrote: »

I can't talk about the legality of the eviction but how in the name of God was the court order questionable?

Just out of curiosity, where are you getting the above information? Is it in the media?

It's just on some whackjob facebook page atm. No mention on any of the main media sites yet.

BattleCorp

gandalf wrote: »

It's just on some whackjob facebook page atm. No mention on any of the main media sites yet.

I've seen it on the Liberal.ie but then again, that's a whackjob news source.

gandalf

BattleCorp wrote: »

I've seen it on the Liberal.ie but then again, that's a whackjob news source.

That's not even a whackjob news source site, its just a plagiarism with an agenda site.

Billcarson

gandalf wrote: »

That's not even a whackjob news source site, its just a plagiarism with an agenda site.

LOL

donkeykong5

The family are now back in their home. Anne kavanagh has it up on live feed.

riemann

If they're back in, this is not good news for anyone looking to reposess a property in the near future!

hatrickpatrick

caff wrote: »

Seems the be from the "call for an Irish revolution" Facebook page. Hope the legal advice is from a professional and not Ben Gilroy

I know that page well. They usually post information about political scandals and conflicts of interest, in which case in my experience they tend to be fairly accurate - but usually, that information is compiled from public available data and reported on (for instance, videos of Dáil debates, tweets from politicians, etc). I have no idea as to their track record with breaking exclusive stories / scoops.

Anyone else know if they have any proven record of being accurate when they report alleged facts before any other source has done so? Not casting aspersions, just genuinely unsure as to their record on this.

megatron989

One rule for those of us who pay our way. Another rule for those who don't I guess. Funny, I keep seeing this, yet I keep paying.

Maybe I should stop paying my bills and I can live free aswel.

riemann

I know next to nothing about this case or indeed the law in general, however if it's true that one of the lads has lived there for his entire life, will he not have a right to a share in the house and the property should not have been even allowed as collateral on a loan?

If that's the case KBC, or whoever is involved, could be looking at paying out a few quid.

jmayo

gctest50 wrote: »

The 50 year old ?

Some spanners putting up videos on youtube have them all as pensioners FFS.

And these are the same ones that accuse others of fake news.

riemann wrote: »

If they're back in, this is not good news for anyone looking to reposess a property in the near future!

And it's also not good news for decent people doing their best to pay off their debts.
These type of stories will make sure no proper foreign lending institution will set foot in the country.

riemann

megatron989 wrote: »

One rule for those of us who pay our way. Another rule for those who don't I guess. Funny, I keep seeing this, yet I keep paying.

Maybe I should stop paying my bills and I can live free aswel.

Sure what's stopping you from doing that?

BattleCorp

riemann wrote: »

If they're back in, this is not good news for anyone looking to reposess a property in the near future!

So, are they illegally squatting in the bank's property - in breach of a court order?

Guy:Incognito

riemann wrote: »

I know next to nothing about this case or indeed the law in general, however if it's true that one of the lads has lived there for his entire life, will he not have a right to a share in the house and the property should not have been even allowed as collateral on a loan?

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Presumably, unless he signed the papers putting the house up as collateral.

Of course this could have been the cute whore plan of the bother all along. Defraud the bank (he likes a bit of that) by claiming he's the sole owner and signing a contract he had no legal right to sign.

blinding

Grayson wrote: »

As a side note, to diffuse the tension, cal we all agree that strokestown is a funny name?

The Loyalists were hoping for a Stroke...but the Stroke came with a Poke .

listermint

riemann wrote: »

I know next to nothing about this case or indeed the law in general, however if it's true that one of the lads has lived there for his entire life, will he not have a right to a share in the house and the property should not have been even allowed as collateral on a loan?

If that's the case KBC, or whoever is involved, could be looking at paying out a few quid.

It doesn't work that way unless he's registered owner on the deeds. And the owner still lives there and is alive.


I'm afraid.

upandcumming

listermint wrote: »

It doesn't work that way unless he's registered owner on the deeds. And the owner still lives there and is alive.


I'm afraid.

He'll probably die of old age next week the way some posters are going on!

listermint

upandcumming wrote: »

He'll probably die of old age next week the way some posters are going on!

Sure he's gaining birthdays with every new page in the thread.

EagererBeaver

I'm sure all the lads here defending the poor aul farmer were absolutely up in arms when Brian O'Donnell was getting put out of his Killiney mansion, too.

Guy:Incognito

upandcumming wrote: »

He'll probably die of old age next week the way some posters are going on!

That man fought in two world wars. You have some bloody respect

MrMusician18

riemann wrote: »

I know next to nothing about this case or indeed the law in general, however if it's true that one of the lads has lived there for his entire life, will he not have a right to a share in the house and the property should not have been even allowed as collateral on a loan?

If that's the case KBC, or whoever is involved, could be looking at paying out a few quid.

The answer here is, it depends. It wouldn't be unusual for one son to inherit a farm but that there would be an understanding that other relatives could live there with no legal property entitlement.

Even up until very recently you could disinherit a spouse. Living there doesn't grant automatic title.

blinding

gandalf wrote: »

The irony is the Belgian taxpayers bailed out KBC bank :rolleyes:

The Belgians were very Nasty in the Congo . A Right Nasty Bunch of Barstewards .

We’re not having their Congo carry on over here !

riemann

listermint wrote: »

It doesn't work that way unless he's registered owner on the deeds. And the owner still lives there and is alive.


I'm afraid.

Doesn't always work that simply my good man.

If he has been 55 years living in the house, and if his sister has done the same, not many judges are going to send them to the side of the road.

He probably built the house.

I've heard of several instances like this, usually comes up after a bereavement where two siblings live together and the property has been willed to a niece or nephew for example. Again I don't really have a clue but time will tell.

gctest50

All this will do is make banks go for the much easier Garnishee Order in future cases

here's the Sherlick lad having a meltdown :


https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/rise-in-farm-assets-being-frozen-in-credit-actions-404978.html




“Garnishee orders can also be applied to other monies and payments available to the debtor but EU payments due to farmers are the most obvious and straightforward target in most cases,”

Omackeral

donkeykong5 wrote: »

The family are now back in their home. Anne kavanagh has it up on live feed.

Do you know what, I'm not gonna bother my bollox paying my mortgage from here on out. I'm sick of the banks. I'm sick of the politicians. I'm sick of the way Monster Munch don't have that lovely spice on them anymore. I'm sick of pressing the pedestrian crossing button three times before it changes.

BattleCorp

riemann wrote: »

Doesn't always work that simply my good man.

If he has been 55 years living in the house, and if his sister has done the same, not many judges are going to send them to the side of the road.

He probably built the house.

I've heard of several instances like this, usually comes up after a bereavement where two siblings live together and the property has been willed to a niece or nephew for example. Again I don't really have a clue but time will tell.

Going by that logic, if I get a mortgage on my family home and don't pay it back, they can't kick me out because my wife lives there? Is that what you are saying?

Lackey

Someone, somewhere,
probably earning a six figure salary had to sit at a desk in a suit and decide that hiring a British ‘security firm’ to evict Irish farmers off their land was a good idea,
draw up the paper work and sign it
I would love to know who that bright spark was

BattleCorp

Lackey wrote: »

Someone, somewhere,
probably earning a six figure salary had to sit at a desk in a suit and decide that hiring a British ‘security firm’ to evict Irish farmers off their land was a good idea,
draw up the paper work and sign it
I would love to know who that bright spark was

While that bit above is true, someone somewhere who we know who they are - probably earning a six figure salary - owe money to the local quarry, bank and revenue because they didn't pay their bills.

Lackey

Lackey wrote: »

Someone, somewhere,
probably earning a six figure salary had to sit at a desk in a suit and decide that hiring a British ‘security firm’ to evict Irish farmers off their land was a good idea,
draw up the paper work and sign it
I would love to know who that bright spark was

Someone somewhere
decided they didn't have to pay the revenue, or co-operate with the revenue investigation,
decided they didn't need to pay the mortgage.
decided they didn't need to pay some of their suppliers

Well then what happened?

gandalf

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Someone somewhere
decided they didn't have to pay the revenue, or co-operate with the revenue investigation,
decided they didn't need to pay the mortgage.
decided they didn't need to pay some of their suppliers

Well then what happened?

All the SJWs on the Interwebs jumped to their aid and they lived happily ever after again

Kimbot

Jesus lads, I'm going out to get a mortgage and no bother paying it back at this rate.

This country is fecked and in the short term it's only going to get worse.