Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

NIMAN

RTE do love that new drone they got!

Use it in everything now.

odyssey06

Effects wrote: »

Who said anything about anyone being on a state pension?
He owed €177,000 in unpaid tax. A lot of which seems to have been vat that he charged people, which he then kept and didn't pay to revenue.

Sounds like a tax dodging businessman not a retired OAP to me.

hatrickpatrick

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

As I said spreading lies and misinformation about the government telling the media what to say is just pure fantasy stuff.

Let’s stick to the facts here or is that too much to ask?

I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to here. I'm not accusing the government of telling the media what to say, I'm accusing the media of being absolutely useless in its duty to have an adversarial relationship with those in power as opposed to a friendly one.

Effects

Has anyone a google maps link to the area? It's telling me that Falsk is 35km from Strokestown.

pablo128

TheChosenOne_ wrote: »

I hope your house burns down on Christmas Eve.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the response you get from someone who defends tax dodging, bill dodging, vehicle repayment dodging cute hoors. When they have nothing left to argue about, this is their level.

tuxy

https://youtu.be/vxRehZr-0eE?t=191

Yellow vests not happy about what happened!

hatrickpatrick

TCM wrote: »

Those innocent "security" men are now out of a job, and it just coming up to Christmas.

Source?

Lefty Bicek

Effects wrote: »

Has anyone a google maps link to the area? It's telling me that Falsk is 35km from Strokestown.

I found it yesterday. Give me a moment...

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Falsk,+Co.+Roscommon/@53.7802635,-8.1591831,324a,35y,90.96h,44.89t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x485c27a642c34e6f:0xd44ca96574c12de2!8m2!3d53.7770179!4d-8.1598234?hl=en-IE


The Google Earth co-ordinates are...

53 46 44 N

08 09 12 W

You'll see the large shed from the sat. images.

end of the road

woddensanta wrote: »

Just to be clear, as a unionist from the north, but also a centrist democrat who believes above all in democracy is it only security work we who identity as British will be banned from in the United Ireland utopia or will other sectors be off limits? Granted I am only on page 25 of this thread and things may change by the time I have read it through to catch up with this post I make now but at this point people have called the bailiffs loyalist UVF members who should be sliced up and/or hanged simply because one identified as British?? Even if it has come out by page 125 off this thread they were actually all former members of the shankill butcher's the fact that so many bigots could assume so much and express so much hate from the limited information that one said he was British does not fill me with hope for what would happen to my community in the event of a United Ireland. No doubt a look in the mirror for a bit of self reflection could help some of you who see anyone who identifies as British as somthing that must swing by the neck for seeking employment enforcing Irish law. I just hope no Irish men working in the same sector in the UK suffer the same treatment.

it's not about them being british. it's not about them being a unionist. it's about their behaviour. it's about alleged links to paramilitarism. it's about lack of understanding for the history of that area of the country by the bank. it's about the use of private security or private companies in general in the matter of law enforcement.
british people and loyalists in general have nothing to fear in ireland. especially in a UI. after all, plenty of british people are living here perfectly fine. also, it is us who are looking out for your interests in terms of brexit unlike britain who are pretending.
you have nothing to fear from a UI.

buried

TG4 news have lovely footage of three starving cats lepin around the garden. One of them was probably viewing the horrorshow on saturday night like good auld Jonesy here

bb12

Effects wrote: »

Has anyone a google maps link to the area? It's telling me that Falsk is 35km from Strokestown.

this seems to be it:
https://goo.gl/maps/aNLPaeoenqH2

blueythebear

klaaaz wrote: »

Thank you for supporting my position that the evidence of a court order is hearsay. Have you produced written evidence on "the reporting on the matter" that there was an actual court order? You have produced none yet.

There is no evidential burden on RTE when they are reporting. You don't seem to understand this.

I don't need to produce "written evidence" either as I've shown you video from RTE where they said that the eviction was carried out on foot of a court order. That's my evidence. I am not invollved in the legal proceedings so I can't rock down to the four courts and get you a copy of the order. It seems that this is what you expect from a discussion board...

Jeff2

Effects wrote: »

Has anyone a google maps link to the area? It's telling me that Falsk is 35km from Strokestown.

Someone posted that the farm is if going from Strokestown to Falsk then it's the first right turn.

I think.

Rvsmmnps

NIMAN wrote: »

From the Irish Times website:

In 2015, the Revenue Commissioners entered into a settlement with Mr McGann in respect of a tax debt of €429,501, of which more than half was interest and penalties.

The original debt was €177,388 and was in respect of the under-declaration of VAT. It is not known what sales the VAT debt relates to. The settlement arose after the Revenue conducted an audit on Mr McGann.

The earliest court judgment registered against Mr McGann’s Co Roscommon property in the Land Registry files was in 1997, when an amount of £6,994 (€8,853) was at the centre of a dispute with ACC Bank in the Circuit Court. It appears the debt was cleared in 2002.

However a debt of €37,960 with ACC Asset Finance, which was the subject of a High Court order in 2009, remains registered against Mr McGann’s interest in the Co Roscommon land.

In the same month in 2009, a Co Roscommon business called Hanly Brothers Ltd registered a debt of €18,236 after securing a Circuit Court order against Mr McGann. That debt remains outstanding, the registry records indicate.

The same is true of a High Court order involving ACC Asset Finance which was registered against Mr McGann’s property in 2010. It is also the case in relation to a High Court order in 2011 involving money due to Bank of Ireland Leasing Ltd, trading as Land Rover Financial Services.

The size of these latter outstanding debts is not disclosed in the Land Registry files.

In 2012 a judgment mortgage was registered against the Co Roscommon property by ICS Building Society, following an order in the High Court. The land registry records indicate that debt has not yet been cleared.

It does appear that the people in this property have a history of taking a lot of money and not paying it back.

Yet why are they the victims in all this???

This isnt enough to distract people from the fact the guards stood there as a man was assaulted right on front of them.

Security officers without id from a different country?

Who from kbc communicates with the Garda? And were the rank and file gards told to behave as they did?

With Ireland's past this seems to be a sensitive subject.

tuxy

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I found it yesterday. Give me a moment...

The Google Earth co-ordinates are...

53 46 44 N

08 09 12 W

You'll see the large shed from the sat. images.

That's it
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7797066,-8.1543157,3a,76.7y,136.37h,87.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjtTguIRd791azqC7Yd4mvw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

NIMAN

tuxy wrote: »

https://youtu.be/vxRehZr-0eE?t=191

Yellow vests not happy about what happened!

Jez, how cringeworthy is that?

Attack a KBC bank in Dublin with ordinary workers in it, the staff don't deserve that.

And whats with the music?

That for me is whats wrong with many people in this country. OK I think the way the people were evicted was OTT and not right, but these people have more or less let the family back into their house, despite the fact that they owe a lot of money. But sure its grand, someone will pay it.

Sure why don't we all stop paying all our bills, get a few rebel songs going.....it'll all be grand.

hatrickpatrick

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

This isnt enough to distract people from the fact the guards stood there as a man was assaulted right on front of them.

Security officers without id from a different country?

This. There are no circumstances whatsoever in which that should not result in the Garda immediately stepping in and arresting that individual for assault. Simple as that.

hatrickpatrick

NIMAN wrote: »

But sure its grand, someone will pay it.

If the bankers were allowed to have this mindset and get what they wanted when they bankrupted most of Europe in 2008, is it not entirely hypocritical to suggest that the public should be treated differently? We paid for [/i]their[/i] f*ck ups when they f*cked up, but now we should accept them treating people without an ounce of compassion in far less serious circumstances?

Yeah, f*ck that. The banking sector has absolutely no "sympathy capital" with the general public, and rightly so.

woddensanta

**** me I am as I said I am a unionist from the north but have never been overly invested in it but by god if iv ever needed motivation to fight against the thought of a United Ireland this thread is it! God knows what would happen to my community, my children if some of the knuckle dragging mouth breathers posting here were in charge! Please, the only solid evidence so far here is that one of the men who was enforcing a irish court order identified as British! That's enough for some to go on this sectarian diatribe. I am pretty sure there is not one UK based forum that would have allowed this level of sectarianism unfold simply because an Irish man was enforcing a court order in the UK.

Wheeliebin30

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If the bankers were allowed to have this mindset and get what they wanted when they bankrupted most of Europe in 2008, is it not entirely hypocritical to suggest that the public should be treated differently? We paid for [/i]their[/i] f*ck ups when they f*cked up, but now we should accept them treating people without an ounce of compassion in far less serious circumstances?

Yeah, f*ck that. The banking sector has absolutely no "sympathy capital" with the general public, and rightly so.

But all the banks bar Anglo are paying back the money, so why should these people be let off paying money back they owe?

seligehgit

Jeff2 wrote: »

Someone posted that the farm is if going from Strokestown to Falsk then it's the first right turn.

I think.

Indeed copyright of Fann Linn:)

From Tulsk towards Strokestown and just before you hit the speed limit zone its into the left.Or from Strokestown to Tulsk first right turn.

riemann

woddensanta wrote: »

knuckle dragging mouth breathers

LOL a unionist trying to infer someone else is thick.

eagle eye

NIMAN wrote:

Yet why are they the victims in all this???

To some they are the victims but it's a whole bigger issue now.
Thugs were brought down from Northern Ireland and people have become irate over it.
The government have to be real careful now because this backlash could spread quickly to other situations in other parts of the country. They have to find a peaceful resolution and ensure that these bastards never enter this country again.

simongurnick

woddensanta wrote: »

**** me I am as I said I am a unionist from the north but have never been overly invested in it but by god if iv ever needed motivation to fight against the thought of a United Ireland this thread is it! God knows what would happen to my community, my children if some of the knuckle dragging mouth breathers posting here were in charge! Please, the only solid evidence so far here is that one of the men who was enforcing a irish court order identified as British! That's enough for some to go on this sectarian diatribe. I am pretty sure there is not one UK based forum that would have allowed this level of sectarianism unfold simply because an Irish man was enforcing a court order in the UK.

not sure you have all the facts. The "security firm" in question has loyalist paramilitary links. that's the problem.

TCM

buried wrote:

TG4 news have lovely footage of three starving cats lepin around the garden. One of them was probably viewing the horrorshow on saturday night like good auld Jonesy here

I suppose the cats will be suffering from PTSD.

expectationlost

tuxy wrote: »

That's it
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7797066,-8.1543157,3a,76.7y,136.37h,87.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjtTguIRd791azqC7Yd4mvw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

wonder who lives in the house bottom right, seems like land is connected from the tracks https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7817076,-8.16226,524a,35y,135.04h,44.8t/data=!3m1!1e3

RobbieMD

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This. There are no circumstances whatsoever in which that should not result in the Garda immediately stepping in and arresting that individual for assault. Simple as that.

Not all assaults carry a power of arrest.

Billcarson

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If the bankers were allowed to have this mindset and get what they wanted when they bankrupted most of Europe in 2008, is it not entirely hypocritical to suggest that the public should be treated differently? We paid for [/i]their[/i] f*ck ups when they f*cked up, but now we should accept them treating people without an ounce of compassion in far less serious circumstances

Yeah, f*ck that. The banking sector has absolutely no "sympathy capital" with the general public, and rightly so.

100% spot on. Something the bank sympathizers on here seem to forget.

hatrickpatrick

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But all the banks bar Anglo are paying back the money, so why should these people be let off paying money back they owe?

They were rescued when they needed to be rescued, and they're only paying it back now that they're in a financially viable position to do so. And it didn't stop the likes of our finance minister failing to oppose an increase in bonuses for their executives back when they were still essentially being bankrolled by us.

So why shouldn't ordinary people who get into difficulty repaying their debts be similarly supported until they find themselves in a viable position to repay them?

Human beings matter more than businesses. If we're going to rescue businesses from financial difficulties but not actual human beings, then our society is, pun intended, morally bankrupt in its entirety.

hatrickpatrick

RobbieMD wrote: »

Not all assaults carry a power of arrest.

Well then what was the point of them being there? They said themselves they were there to keep the peace.

Are you telling me that if the roles had been reversed and the people being evicted had assaulted the security goons in the same manner, the Gardai would similarly have stood by and done nothing about it? Seems highly unlikely given recent events.

woddensanta

riemann wrote: »

LOL a unionist trying to infer someone else is thick.

Sir, I am simply inferring that the people going on the sectarian diatribe are somewhat intellectually challenged, though I assume from your post that you consider unionists to be some sort of sub spices that has no business challenging even the most obvious of bigoted on their outbursts?

klaaaz

blueythebear wrote: »

There is no evidential burden on RTE when they are reporting. You don't seem to understand this.

I don't need to produce "written evidence" either as I've shown you video from RTE where they said that the eviction was carried out on foot of a court order. That's my evidence. I am not invollved in the legal proceedings so I can't rock down to the four courts and get you a copy of the order. It seems that this is what you expect from a discussion board...

So you base your judgement that something is legal on a news reporter talking to a camera!! :rolleyes:

JCJCJC

expectationlost wrote: »

wonder who lives in the house bottom right, seems like land is connected from the tracks https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7817076,-8.16226,524a,35y,135.04h,44.8t/data=!3m1!1e3

That house seems to be built in a ring Fort!

Geuze

bb12 wrote: »

this seems to be it:
https://goo.gl/maps/aNLPaeoenqH2

That's folio RN32752 on www.landdirect.ie?

eagle eye

simongurnick wrote:

not sure you have all the facts. The "security firm" in question has loyalist paramilitary links. that's the problem.

Not only that but a retired Garda claims he was punched by some of them many times and lost some of his teeth.

buried

TCM wrote: »

I suppose the cats will be suffering from PTSD.

Be a new angle for Ciaran Mullooly's next RTE news report from the place

Wheeliebin30

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

They were rescued when they needed to be rescued, and they're only paying it back now that they're in a financially viable position to do so. And it didn't stop the likes of our finance minister failing to oppose an increase in bonuses for their executives back when they were still essentially being bankrolled by us.

So why shouldn't ordinary people who get into difficulty repaying their debts be similarly supported until they find themselves in a viable position to repay them?

Human beings matter more than businesses. If we're going to rescue businesses from financial difficulties but not actual human beings, then our society is, pun intended, morally bankrupt in its entirety.

Not paying VAT isn’t financial difficulty.

It’s fraud no matter what.

blueythebear

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

So why shouldn't ordinary people who get into difficulty repaying their debts be similarly supported until they find themselves in a viable position to repay them?

But they are supported. They get time to regain their feet from the Bank through forebearance, then through the MARPS process and the glacially slow courts process, followed by the equally slow eviction process.

All the while there is bankruptcy, personal insolvency, mortgage to rent, abhaile scheme, split mortgages, capitalisation, etc

From the day that Summons comes through your door, you would have a good two years before you are forced out with at least a year before that through the MARPS process. Three years is ample time to find employment to start repaying your mortgage.

Timberrrrrrrr

simongurnick wrote: »

not sure you have all the facts. The "security firm" in question has loyalist paramilitary links. that's the problem.

Did you know a very large portion of irelands bar/club security has republican paramilitary links? I wonder how many will now start boycotting bars and clubs around the country over this?

riemann

woddensanta wrote: »

Sir, I am simply inferring that the people going on the sectarian diatribe are somewhat intellectually challenged, though I assume from your post that you consider unionists to be some sort of sub spices that has no business challenging even the most obvious of bigoted on their outbursts?

Please don't refer to me as sir, or Lord. I am a citizen of a Republic, with a constitution recognising all men and women as equal.

Noone gives a **** whether you are blue, black or orange.

simongurnick

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Did you know a very large portion of irelands bar/club security has republican paramilitary links? I wonder how many will now start boycotting bars and clubs around the country over this?

I'm going on the dry!

woddensanta

riemann wrote: »

Please don't refer to me as sir, or Lord. I am a citizen of a Republic, with a constitution recognising all men and women as equal.

Noone gives a **** whether you are blue, black or orange.

Wow

Omackeral

woddensanta wrote: »

Please, the only solid evidence so far here is that one of the men who was enforcing a irish court order identified as British! That's enough for some to go on this sectarian diatribe.

Wouldn't mind but he was responding to someone calling him Irish was he not? Wasn't as if he came in playing a bloody flute or anything.

klaaaz

eagle eye wrote: »

Not only that but a retired Garda claims he was punched by some of them many times and lost some of his teeth.

You don't see Vardakar or minister Flanagan condemning that atrocious assault by unlicensed thugs who beat the pensioner to a pulp.

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Well then what was the point of them being there? They said themselves they were there to keep the peace.

Are you telling me that if the roles had been reversed and the people being evicted had assaulted the security goons in the same manner, the Gardai would similarly have stood by and done nothing about it? Seems highly unlikely given recent events.

And yet, you believe that Gardai should actually physically evict people.
So, drag people out of their homes?
Or, assault them, if you prefer

Lefty Bicek

woddensanta wrote: »

**** me I am as I said I am a unionist from the north but have never been overly invested in it but by god if iv ever needed motivation to fight against the thought of a United Ireland this thread is it! God knows what would happen to my community, my children if some of the knuckle dragging mouth breathers posting here were in charge! Please, the only solid evidence so far here is that one of the men who was enforcing a irish court order identified as British! That's enough for some to go on this sectarian diatribe. I am pretty sure there is not one UK based forum that would have allowed this level of sectarianism unfold simply because an Irish man was enforcing a court order in the UK.

If you were paying attention, you'd know there is no solid evidence for even that much.

As to your last point - I wouldn't argue, but it would be fair to say that sectarianism is something that the British associate with people from your neck of the woods. That's why you find yourselves members of a club that doesn't really want you.

It is also fair to say that, in the round, the Irish contribution to Britain has been a lot more beneficial to them, than the British contribution to Ireland has been, to us.

P_1

woddensanta wrote: »

Sir, I am simply inferring that the people going on the sectarian diatribe are somewhat intellectually challenged, though I assume from your post that you consider unionists to be some sort of sub spices that has no business challenging even the most obvious of bigoted on their outbursts?

People see the word Unionist and make an automatic jump to DUP or loyalist

When you look at the DUP you have a few negative examples
1, their blocking of equal marriage and abortion rights in NI
2, their foot dragging through the Brexit process
3, the RHI scandal

When you look at loyalists you have countless negative examples

Now everyone knows that doesn't reflect your average, decent unionist but that's how people will react to the DUP and loyalists

odyssey06

Omackeral wrote: »

Wouldn't mind but he was responding to an assertation that he was Irish was he not? Wasn't as if he came in playing a bloody flute or anything.

Next we'll be hearing they were all wearing Rangers jerseys.

Omackeral

riemann wrote: »

LOL a unionist trying to infer someone else is thick.

There are plenty of idiots from both communities. No shortage whatsoever.

Omackeral

Omackeral wrote: »

Wouldn't mind but he was responding to someone calling him Irish was he not? Wasn't as if he came in playing a bloody flute or anything.

According to some it was the 12th of July. Bowler hats, the lot. Wicked so it was.