Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

markodaly

If family homes are exempt from evictions, then banks will not give out loans to people who want to buy a family home. This, of course, makes the housing crisis in Ireland immeasurably worse.

368100

end of the road wrote: »

no . of course not.



the retired garda. a man who served this country and was beaten by thugs.


it's not no . it is likely to happen and sooner then we all thought. it's a question of when and not if.



no but they got bailed out by the belgian tax payer. in my view his point would therefore apply to them even though they were bailed out by tax payers from a different country.

Correct me if I'm wrong but KBC belgium wasn't bailed out by the belgian taxpayer. The belgian government covered them with a guarantee (that they had to pay for) so they could continue to access funding in the market. No taxpayer funds were injected into the bank

Fann Linn

bubblypop wrote: »

I love the way it's all about the terrible security from the North, with their paramilitary links, heavy handedness etc etc.
Unfortunately, there were people in the house, ready to fight the eviction long before the security showed up.

So, not really an issue with the nordies at all.

One 50 and two 60 year olds.

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

One 50 and two 60 year olds.

What about the others?
If they had just left the property, there wouldn't have been any issues.

klaaaz

bubblypop wrote: »

Why didn't those poor elderly people leave the house then?
Why did they gather up a bunch of people to fight the eviction?

Where is the evidence that they should leave their family house?

They are terrified of the vicious thugs coming back to invade their home.

Fann Linn

bubblypop wrote: »

What about the others?
If they had just left the property, there wouldn't have been any issues.

What others? The retired guard?

endacl

klaaaz wrote: »

The line is drawn when old people are violently thrown out of their homes by marauding thugs.

WHile I kinda agree with your description of 'marauding thugs', They weren't old people when they got themselves into this mess. They simply got older as they allowed the mess to get messier.

klaaaz wrote: »

None of the wealthy elite were violently thrown out of their homes, they got off scot-free laughing at the taxpayer.

They didn't get let off because they were wealthy. They could make payments and had access to financial options because they were wealthy.

Except for the ones who didn't, or couldn't. As they weren't as wealthy as they appeared to be.

BattleCorp

bubblypop wrote: »

end of the road wrote: »

the retired garda. a man who served this country and was beaten by thugs.



no but they got bailed out by the belgian tax payer. in my view his point would therefore apply to them even though they were bailed out by tax payers from a different country.

Being a retired Garda does not make you a pensioner. You can retire from AGS at 50 years old.

Not bailed out by the Irish taxpayer, therefore absolutely no argument

Was the retired Garda trespassing on the bank's property and refusing to leave?

Can I do that on your property?

pablo128

klaaaz wrote: »

Where is the evidence that they should leave their family house?

They are terrified of the vicious thugs coming back to invade their home.

It's not their home anymore.

Let that sink in for a minute before continuing to post drivel.

klaaaz

awec wrote: »

Not really true is it?

The likes of Drumm is literally doing time.

A few more should be doing time, but we have to take what we can get. It can't be a free for all.

Is that all you have, one banker doing a tiny bit of jail time and still wealthy after it. The rest of the wealthy elite put huge debts of billions onto the taxpayer and never served a day in jail. No protest here certainly in this thread about it from the bank supporters, but they rather pick on a vulnerable farmer instead.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

Where is the evidence that they should leave their family house?

They are terrified of the vicious thugs coming back to invade their home.

Clearly there was some sort of eviction notice.

Fann Linn

BattleCorp wrote: »

Was the retired Garda trespassing on the bank's property and refusing to leave?

Can I do that on your property?

Is the question of the court order clarified yet? Would have some bearings on it.

Omackeral

klaaaz wrote: »

No protest here certainly in this thread about it from the bank supporters, but they rather pick on a vulnerable farmer instead.

Not to mention the poor fecker's only got a couple of years left as diagnosed by you Dr Klaaaz.

awec

klaaaz wrote: »

Is that all you have, one banker doing a tiny bit of jail time and still wealthy after it. The rest of the wealthy elite put huge debts of billions onto the taxpayer and never served a day in jail. No protest here certainly in this thread about it from the bank supporters, but they rather pick on a vulnerable farmer instead.

You should probably go back to when all this was happening.

You might find that the people of Ireland, including those on here, were a wee bit annoyed by it all.

368100

bubblypop wrote: »

Clearly there was some sort of eviction notice.

More than that, there was a court order directing them to vacate which they obviously ignored. If you dont follow instructions from the court of the land, whats the point in the legal system

Fann Linn

368100 wrote: »

More than that, there was a court order directing them to vacate which they obviously ignored. If you dont follow instructions from the court of the land, whats the point in the legal system

That court order is now being contested by solicitors as to its validity.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

a vulnerable farmer

I haven't seen my evidence of this.
I have seen plenty of evidence of a man that committed fraud, failed to pay vat & revenue. Failed to pay his mortgage
& failed to pay local business men.
So, where is the vulnerable farmer?

klaaaz

markodaly wrote: »

The people in this incident failed to comply with a court order (the law of the land), therefore the bank HAD to hire private security to evict them.

Another poster who has no proof that there was a court order. So you think that the farmer's family are illegally squatting in their own home tonight then?

gandalf

bubblypop wrote: »

Being a retired Garda does not make you a pensioner. You can retire from AGS at 50 years old.

Not bailed out by the Irish taxpayer, therefore absolutely no argument

Also being a former Garda he should have had more sense than get caught up in the middle of this situation.

From reports there are two Garda investigations from complaints about the eviction. That however does not give any excuse for the extreme thuggery that occured yesterday morning.

368100

Fann Linn wrote: »

Is the question of the court order clarified yet? Would have some bearings on it.

They wouldnt have been able to do it without a possession order.

Simply put what they need to progress through court:
Judgment
Installment order from court (which wasnt followed)
Possession order.

There are another few remedies that can be taken but if they were used they were obviously ineffective

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

Another poster who has no proof that there was a court order. So you think that the farmer's family are illegally squatting in their own home tonight then?

I do!

runawaybishop

Fann Linn wrote: »

That court order is now being contested by solicitors as to its validity.

I hope for their sake Ben Gilroy isn't involved.

gandalf

bubblypop wrote: »

I haven't seen my evidence of this.
I have seen plenty of evidence of a man that committed fraud, failed to pay vat & revenue. Failed to pay his mortgage
& failed to pay local business men.
So, where is the vulnerable farmer?

The word you are looking for is a parasite.

pablo128

Fann Linn wrote: »

That court order is now being contested by solicitors as to its validity.

klaaaz wrote: »

Another poster who has no proof that there was a court order. So you think that the farmer's family are illegally squatting in their own home tonight then?

You literally just said there is a court order, and it is being contested.

Apologies. Your mate said there is a court order.

Lefty Bicek

Omackeral wrote: »

Apology accepted, Lefty.

No problem. You can put it down to my highbrow sense of politeness.

Because you really are a gobby mediocrity who will require having the last word... to which you're welcome !

awec

runawaybishop wrote: »

I hope for their sake Ben Gilroy isn't involved.

Ben of the clan Gilroy.

BattleCorp

bubblypop wrote: »

klaaaz wrote: »

Another poster who has no proof that there was a court order. So you think that the farmer's family are illegally squatting in their own home tonight then?

I do!

I don't because it isn't their own home anymore. The bank owns it.

markodaly

endacl wrote: »

WHile I kinda agree with your description of 'marauding thugs', They weren't old people when they got themselves into this mess. They simply got older as they allowed the mess to get messier.
.

Exactly.

It is like a priest or religious brother of old, who may have been in their 20's, 30's or 40's while he sexually abused kids all around them.

Meanwhile, it comes out years later and they are convicted in their 60's/70's..... I suppose since they were old they should be given a pass?

People are just so stupid!

Fann Linn

368100 wrote: »

They wouldnt have been able to do it without a possession order.

Simply put what they need to progress through court:
Judgment
Installment order from court (which wasnt followed)
Possession order.

There are another few remedies that can be taken but if they were used they were obviously ineffective

That's the question which should be answered tomorrow. Legal advice earlier this evening found some flaws in the order.

runawaybishop

Fann Linn wrote: »

That's the question which should be answered tomorrow. Legal advice earlier this evening found some flaws in the order.

Was the judge not wearing his hat when he signed it?

368100

Fann Linn wrote: »

That's the question which should be answered tomorrow. Legal advice earlier this evening found some flaws in the order.

Well flaw in technicality of the order aside, it doesnt negate the fact that they didnt make a single payment since drawing the mortgage 14 years ago so fully intended on not paying

Fann Linn

368100 wrote: »

Well flaw in technicality of the order aside, it doesnt negate the fact that they didnt make a single payment since drawing the mortgage 14 years ago so fully intened on not paying

Im not disputing that.

markodaly

klaaaz wrote: »

Another poster who has no proof that there was a court order. So you think that the farmer's family are illegally squatting in their own home tonight then?

Ah great, fake news on the PizzaGate level.

There was a court order. The only one disputing this is some internet trolls and muppets. No serious commentator has stated that there was no court order and it was all done illegally.

In other words, you are talking $hite.

Fann Linn

runawaybishop wrote: »

Was the judge not wearing his hat when he signed it?

Yawn.

markodaly

People are talking $hite. Going on about the UDA, there was no court order, the guys involved are 'respected' members of the local community....

Meanwhile as the facts are coming out, the people supporting these parasites are looking like utter plebs.

BattleCorp

368100 wrote: »

Fann Linn wrote: »

That's the question which should be answered tomorrow. Legal advice earlier this evening found some flaws in the order.

Well flaw in technicality of the order aside, it doesnt negate the fact that they didnt make a single payment since drawing the mortgage 14 years ago so fully intended on not paying

Is it true that they made no payments in 14 years????

klaaaz

markodaly wrote: »

Ah great, fake news on the PizzaGate level.

There was a court order. The only one disputing this is some internet trolls and muppets. No serious commentator has stated that there was no court order and it was all done illegally.

In other words, you are talking $hite.

So when the law of the land was not followed by an alleged court order in which no written news outlet has stated that such a court order even exists, then the defenders of the banksters in this thread treat criticism of the banksters and their hired violent goonsters as "fake news!"

368100

BattleCorp wrote: »

Is it true that they made no payments in 14 years????

Yes, from a reliable source. Not a single payment made since it was drawn.

Fann Linn

368100 wrote: »

Yes, from a reliable source. Not a single payment made since it was drawn.

Any links?

BattleCorp

368100 wrote: »

BattleCorp wrote: »

Is it true that they made no payments in 14 years????

Yes, from a reliable source. Not a single payment made since it was drawn.

If that's true, anybody remotely defending the farmers need to really look at themselves.

368100

Fann Linn wrote: »

Any links?

Its not a source that would be in a news report.

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

Any links?

You already stated that you were not disputing the fact no payments have been made

tipptom

If it was the Sherriff who has hired these loyalist scum for these evictions then he should be sacked in the morning.

There are bigger and better farms than this that have led to evictions that people would have been more sympathetic towards whose owners have engaged with the banks to resolve the situation that has not led to this powder keg situation.

Its obvious that these people should be evicted but to go at it a week before Christmas with Loyalist thugs was an incitement by an incompetent idiot who already has blood on his hands that could turn worse over the next while.

Fann Linn

markodaly wrote: »

People are talking $hite. Going on about the UDA, there was no court order, the guys involved are 'respected' members of the local community....

Meanwhile as the facts are coming out, the people supporting these parasites are looking like utter plebs.

Well, do you dispute the UDA/ Loyalist connection?

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

Im not disputing that.

.

Fann Linn

bubblypop wrote: »

You already stated that you were not disputing the fact no payments have been made

Just looking for the links.

P_1

awec wrote: »

Ben of the clan Gilroy.

Scrolling through Twitter it seems not only is young Ben of the clan Gilroy up to his neck in it but so is the king of the eejits, big Jim "tinfoil hat" Corr.

Whatever chance this had of becoming a proper movement to address the grievances we have at the 2 speed recovery it's dead in the water now

NIMAN

markodaly wrote: »

+1000%

Unfortunately, this incident seems to have brought out lots of idiots.
We really are a pitiful childish nation when it comes to being responsible with money.

Or any mention of anything 'British'.....
..... all the same boys packed out the pubs to watch Liverpool v Man Utd and cheer on 'their' team on Sunday.

vicwatson

NIMAN wrote: »

Or any mention of anything 'British'.....
..... all the same boys packed out the pubs to watch Liverpool v Man Utd and cheer on 'their' team on Sunday.

That old chestnut :rolleyes:

Fann Linn

NIMAN wrote: »

Or any mention of anything 'British'.....
..... all the same boys packed out the pubs to watch Liverpool v Man Utd and cheer on 'their' team on Sunday.

Still waiting on Mark's answer. Btw it was your neighbours up north on twitter who named and shamed Ian Kyle Paisley Graham.