Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

Spanish Eyes

Whatever it is hasn't gone away you know. That is a bit worrying.

But those who live in mortgaged premises without paying anything, and owe money to Revenue, and left right and centre need to be dealt with too. Otherwise why the heck would anyone pay a mortgage payment ever. I'd say plenty are still living mortgage free as we speak. Says it all for those who struggled to pay and keep their dignity.

But anyway. I have no time for the freeloaders.

cameramonkey

pablo128 wrote: »

Again, there wasn't a peep out of you when the poster suggested the locals would burn 2 houses down because they were a bit salty about their neighbour being rightfully evicted. Silence.

Did I suggest damaging any property?

You said that in posts 94 and 105 that there might be an arson attack by locals.Where in these two post does the poster suggests that locals may burn the house? Could you please point it out.

post 94 "I wouldn't be surprised if there was a case of arson after the 'sold' sign went up."

post 105 "I didn't know they were fireproof. You think it wouldn't happen again? I couldn't think of a more negative sales pitch than what's just happened. Unless maybe discovering something like anthrax on the land......"

tipptom

pablo128 wrote: »

Again, there wasn't a peep out of you when the poster suggested the locals would burn 2 houses down because they were a bit salty about their neighbour being rightfully evicted. Silence.

Did I suggest damaging any property?

So you were the poster sneering at theses peoples family home being burned down because of the way you perceived it looked??

Buford T. Justice XIX

tipptom wrote: »

Your wasting your time.

They just ignore that so they can carry on their little fap fest with three or four mods joining in with them at various stages to cream themselves and letting idiots accussing all people from the country of low education.

Mod note:tipptom, don't post in this thread again.


Buford T. Justice

Wheeliebin30

Funny how these stories become a little clearer once you dig a bit.

See Margaret Cash, see Erica Fleming.

I’ve never been more convinced of my belief that these people are only to blame for their situation and it’s not the governments fault one bit.

PARlance

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

I just hope is that this doesn't turn into a successful recruitment drive for Freeman of the land Gilroy and his vellow yests, or tiger reborn or whatever alfies army is calling itself this week.

Lots of calls for revolution, riots, general anarchy, the burning of the Dáil, the lynching of 'that zulu vradker' etc. etc. arising from this, and it is going completely uncontested on the major forms of social media. (Contest it at your peril, I won't ever try again anyway)

However, one big thing I can see going against the yellow vests is that they're not racist enough, seems to be a bugbear for a lot of people who would like to pursue a career in protesting but also don't like the darkies.


Hoping this just blows over, maybe some optics from the government might calm the more reasonable folk attaching themselves to this...

Reasonable folk will just walk on by, Gilroy, Yellow Vests and Roscommon will all be forgotten about again in no time.

pablo128

cameramonkey wrote: »

You said that in posts 94 and 105 that there might be an arson attack by locals.Where in these two post does the poster suggests that locals may burn the house? Could you please point it out.

post 94 "I wouldn't be surprised if there was a case of arson after the 'sold' sign went up."

post 105 "I didn't know they were fireproof. You think it wouldn't happen again? I couldn't think of a more negative sales pitch than what's just happened. Unless maybe discovering something like anthrax on the land......"

If you can't see the implication in those posts that you quoted, I'd be wasting my time trying to explain it any further.

AudreyHepburn

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Funny how these stories become a little clearer once you dig a bit.

See Margaret Cash, see Erica Fleming.

I’ve never been more convinced of my belief that these people are only to blame for their situation and it’s not the governments fault one bit.

I don’t think any right thinking person would disagree with you.

I’ve always said the biggest problem in this country is people’s refusal to take responsibility for their own choices and more importantly their own mistakes and problems.

pablo128

tipptom wrote: »

So you were the poster sneering at theses peoples family home being burned down because of the way you perceived it looked??

It's not their family home, it belongs to Cabot. You already know this because I already told you.

cameramonkey

pablo128 wrote: »

If you can't see the implication in those posts that you quoted, I'd be wasting my time trying to explain it any further.

I am just asking you to point out where in those post where the poster said that locals may be involved in arson. Its very simple really.


Show us or just correct your post and admit that you may have mis-remembered the post. It's not a big deal, we are all wrong sometimes and it shows the good character of a poster who can admit their mistakes.

Mad_maxx

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Funny how these stories become a little clearer once you dig a bit.

See Margaret Cash, see Erica Fleming.

I’ve never been more convinced of my belief that these people are only to blame for their situation and it’s not the governments fault one bit.

Ireland has a remarkably generous state, if we even had one vaguely Conservative media outlet, people might see it but we are bombarded with sob stories.

RTE screening another one to do with travellers tomorrow night

cameramonkey

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don’t think any right thinking person would disagree with you.

I’ve always said the biggest problem in this country is people’s refusal to take responsibility for their own choices and more importantly their own mistakes and problems.

Are you talking about the banks,property developers, politicians, the church, the gardai, the HSE, the government, DOH, doctors or the family in this case?

pablo128

Here is my reply to you again in case you missed it the first time.

pablo128 wrote: »

If you can't see the implication in those posts that you quoted, I'd be wasting my time trying to explain it any further.

cameramonkey wrote: »

I am just asking you to point out where in those post where the poster said that locals may be involved in arson. Its very simple really.


Show us or just correct your post and admit that you may have mis-remembered the post. It's not a big deal, we are all wrong sometimes and it shows the good character of a poster who can admit their mistakes.

Wheeliebin30

cameramonkey wrote: »

Are you talking about the banks,property developers, politicians, the church, the gardai, the HSE, the government, DOH, doctors or the family in this case?

What is this post even about?

I don’t get it, would you take a lend from your friend or someone and refuse to pay it back?

AudreyHepburn

cameramonkey wrote: »

Are you talking about the banks,property developers, politicians, the church, the gardai, the HSE, the government, DOH, doctors or the family in this case?

Everyone from the top down has to accept responsibility for their choices in life and be willing to accept the consequences if those choices go bad.

Simply saying ‘well x takes no responsibility so I won’t either’ or ‘x made me do it’ isn’t good enough.

This man has debts going back at least a decade which he apparently refused to pay. He brought this whole thing on himself.

Bonzo Delaney

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don’t think any right thinking person would disagree with you.

I’ve always said the biggest problem in this country is people’s refusal to take responsibility for their own choices and more importantly their own mistakes and problems.

That's the problem it's a lack of responsibility /accountability from the top down. So the ordinary Joe sees the big boys getting away with it and says feck it sure I'll give it a go to . If there was a real sense of leadership in the country as opposed to the elected lining their own purse it'd prob trickle down along the line.

Thatnastyboy

PARlance wrote: »

Reasonable folk will just walk on by, Gilroy, Yellow Vests and Roscommon will all be forgotten about again in no time.

I hope you are right

AudreyHepburn

Bonzo Delaney wrote: »

That's the problem it's a lack of responsibility /accountability from the top down. So the ordinary Joe sees the big boys getting away with it and says feck it sure I'll give it a go to . If there was a real sense of leadership in the country as opposed to the elected lining their own purse it'd prob trickle down along the line.

Like I said it’s no excuse for shirking your responsibilities.

The ‘Top’ didn’t force this man to take out loans he couldn’t afford. It was his choice and his alone.

cameramonkey

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

What is this post even about?

I don’t get it, would you take a lend from your friend or someone and refuse to pay it back?

I have no problem paying back loans I have taken. I have a mortgage and a business loan, I have never not paid on any debt ever, even when it was difficult for me.
The country has created a situation where banks and developers have a culture of getting debt forgiven, why is it a surprise when ordinary people take the same stance?

Wheeliebin30

cameramonkey wrote: »

I have no problem paying back loans I have taken. I have a mortgage and a business loan, I have never not paid on any debt ever, even when it was difficult for me.
The country has created a situation where banks and developers have a culture of getting debt forgiven, why is it a surprise when ordinary people take the same stance?

The banks are paying back full their debts and loans??

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/aib-has-repaid-6-5bn-of-state-s-bailout-funding-1.2879781?mode=amp

“AIB has repaid €6.5bn of State’s bailout funds”

cameramonkey

pablo128 wrote: »

Here is my reply to you again in case you missed it the first time.

You can have another go at clearing up your miscomprehension of what a previous poster said. Here it is again.


You said that in posts 94 and 105 that there might be an arson attack by locals.Where in these two post does the poster suggests that locals may burn the house? Could you please point it out.



post 94 "I wouldn't be surprised if there was a case of arson after the 'sold' sign went up."

post 105 "I didn't know they were fireproof. You think it wouldn't happen again? I couldn't think of a more negative sales pitch than what's just happened. Unless maybe discovering something like anthrax on the land......"



I understand that you dont want to admit your mistake but I find in life that actually taking responsibility for your errors brings great relief and joy to your life. It gives one a release. It's a bit like paying your debts, you know the thing that everyone should do.

cameramonkey

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

The banks are paying back full their debts and loans??

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/aib-has-repaid-6-5bn-of-state-s-bailout-funding-1.2879781%3fmode=amp

“AIB has repaid €6.5bn of State’s bailout funds”

The loans were sold at a discount, the people of Ireland through the government are paying back the balance. The full value of the loans was not paid by the banks and the developers, Joe public took up the billions of slack.
Thanks you Irish munchkins.

Wheeliebin30

cameramonkey wrote: »

The loans were sold at a discount, the people of Ireland through the government are paying back the balance. The full value of the loans was not paid by the banks and the developers, Joe public took up the billions of slack.
Thanks you Irish munchkins.

Did you miss this part?


“The bank intends to put the shareholder in a position whereby the full €20.8 billion invested in the bank by the State can be recovered and is confident of doing so over time,”

What effort did this farmer do to pay any of his debts back?

cameramonkey

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Did you miss this part?


“The bank intends to put the shareholder in a position whereby the full €20.8 billion invested in the bank by the State can be recovered and is confident of doing so over time,”

What effort did this farmer do to pay any of his debts back?

What about the state discount on the loans? Is this to be paid back to the state or are Irish citizens paying these billions because the banks made bad loans to developers. What effort did the banks make to pay these now state debts?

Steer55

h2005 wrote: »

What age do you become a pensioner in Roscommon?

These siblings are constantly being referred to as elderly pensioners, they are aged in their fifties and early sixties. well capable of still working and paying their bills :rolleyes:

simongurnick

Sad to see after everything Ireland has gone through after the last few years, that so many people automatically lean to the side of the banks/government/establishment. Will we ever learn?

Wheeliebin30

simongurnick wrote: »

Sad to see after everything Ireland has gone through after the last few years, that so many people automatically lean to the side of the banks/government/establishment. Will we ever learn?

I lean to the law abiding tax payers who have to pay for this mans criminal activities of not paying anything back.

Should we all follow suit?

facehugger99

simongurnick wrote: »

Sad to see after everything Ireland has gone through after the last few years, that so many people automatically lean to the side of the banks/government/establishment.

As opposed to the baseball bat wielding scumbags and the VAT defrauders?

Yeah, it’s a travesty.

dudara

simongurnick wrote: »

Sad to see after everything Ireland has gone through after the last few years, that so many people automatically lean to the side of the banks/government/establishment. Will we ever learn?

Because these people owe money and did not pay it back. Judges do not grant repossession orders lightly in Ireland. So there must have been quite an amount of intransigence on the debtors’ part to get to this point.

Also, every unpaid/delinquent mortgage is added as a cost to the mortgage/financial products for the rest of us. So we are indirectly paying for these debtors’ refusal to pay. Sorry, that’s not good enough for me.

simongurnick

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I lean to the law abiding tax payers who have to pay fur this mans criminal activities of not paying anything back.

Should we all follow suit?

And how do you reconcile that with all the law abiding tax payers who propped up the banks? How many of those individuals dealt with the consequences of their actions?

simongurnick

facehugger99 wrote: »

As opposed to the baseball bat wielding scumbags and the VAT defrauders?

Yeah, it’s a travesty.

or the UDA? You left them out.

cameramonkey

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I lean to the law abiding tax payers who have to pay fur this mans criminal activities of not paying anything back.

Should we all follow suit?

What about the bankers and developers and at least one government minister who didn't repay their debts?

Wheeliebin30

simongurnick wrote: »

And how do you reconcile that with all the law abiding tax payers who propped up the banks? How many of those individuals dealt with the consequences of their actions?

2 wrongs don’t make a right.

simongurnick

dudara wrote: »

Because these people owe money and did not pay it back. Judges do not grant repossession orders lightly in Ireland. So there must have been quite an amount of intransigence on the debtors’ part to get to this point.

Also, every unpaid/delinquent mortgage is added as a cost to the mortgage/financial products for the rest of us. So we are indirectly paying for these debtors’ refusal to pay. Sorry, that’s not good enough for me.

you sure that last part is true? We're talking about interest rates, not insurance premiums.

simongurnick

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

2 wrongs don’t make a right.

But that's the point. They are not comparable. In one case the farmer is being held to the consequences of not supporting the debt. In the case of the banks etc. the vast vast majority weren't.

dudara

simongurnick wrote: »

you sure that last part is true? We're talking about interest rates, not insurance premiums.

Banks have to recoup the cost of delinquent mortgages and they will do that across all their financial products.

Wheeliebin30

simongurnick wrote: »

But that's the point. They are not comparable. In one case the farmer is being held to the consequences of not supporting the debt. In the case of the banks etc. the vast vast majority weren't.

“The bank intends to put the shareholder in a position whereby the full €20.8 billion invested in the bank by the State can be recovered and is confident of doing so over time,”

simongurnick

simongurnick wrote: »

But that's the point. They are not comparable. In one case the farmer is being held to the consequences of not supporting the debt. In the case of the banks etc. the vast vast majority weren't.

what about what about what about

Buer

end of the road wrote: »

i have watched it yes hence why i came to the conclusion i did.
the fact they supposibly "resisted" doesn't matter to me as they weren't resisting arrest or the gardai moving them on which would be a different story as the gardai are the authority of the state unlike this lot.

NON-FATAL OFFENCES AGAINST THE PERSON ACT, 1997

18.—(1) The use of force by a person for any of the following purposes, if only such as is reasonable in the circumstances as he or she believes them to be, does not constitute an offence—

(d) to protect property belonging to another from appropriation

simongurnick

dudara wrote: »

Banks have to recoup the cost of delinquent mortgages and they will do that across all their financial products.

more often they sell the bad debt, which is what happened in this case between KBC and Cobot.

simongurnick

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

“The bank intends to put the shareholder in a position whereby the full €20.8 billion invested in the bank by the State can be recovered and is confident of doing so over time,”

intends? I've heard that one before. Tell that to shareholders of AIB.

Wheeliebin30

simongurnick wrote: »

intends? I've heard that one before. Tell that to shareholders of AIB.

Already paid back 6 billion.

What has this farmer paid back?

cameramonkey

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

“The bank intends to put the shareholder in a position whereby the full €20.8 billion invested in the bank by the State can be recovered and is confident of doing so over time,”

You should read up a bit because you dont understand what was taken on by the state. The state is up to it's eyeballs in bank and developer debt.

SEPT 23 1989

simongurnick wrote: »

Sad to see after everything Ireland has gone through after the last few years, that so many people automatically lean to the side of the banks/government/establishment. Will we ever learn?

2008 was the year the curtain was opened into the world of these money lenders

How anyone could side with these sociopaths after what they have done to you ,your children and grandchildren is beyond me

simongurnick

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Already paid back 6 billion.

What has this farmer paid back?

not sure, i don't know him. But I saw someone post earlier they were looking to do a grand a month.

h2005

cameramonkey wrote: »

You should read up a bit because you dont understand what was taken on by the state. The state is up to it's eyeballs in bank and developer debt.

The VAT this guy should have paid the state would have come in handy then. Not to mention the applicable taxes on all the other debts he’s welched on

Naos

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

2008 was the year the curtain was opened into the world of these money lenders

How anyone could side with these sociopaths after what they have done to you ,your children and grandchildren is beyond me

So should everyone who has a mortgage stop paying then, because of what the banks did?

bb12

h2005 wrote: »

The VAT this guy should have paid the state would have come in handy then. Not to much the applicable taxes on all the other debts he’s welched on

Nobody knows what he has or hasn't paid. That's the only true fact in all this.

Everything else written here is pure conjecture. All the previous judgements could be paid off by now for all we know.

Even the presence of a valid court order is in doubt. They appear to have proper legal representation now, so maybe the actual facts will emerge in time but for now nobody really knows anything.

My own thoughts are that if such a man was so much of a chancer, which is what is being proposed by so many here, there is no way on earth that neighbours would provide such unwavering support and stand outside the property in solidarity in the wind and the rain all through the night.

Naos

bb12 wrote: »

Nobody knows what he has or hasn't paid. That's the only true fact in all this.

Everything else written here is pure conjecture. All the previous judgements could be paid off by now for all we know.

Even the presence of a valid court order is in doubt. They appear to have proper legal representation now, so maybe the actual facts will emerge in time but for now nobody really knows anything.

My own thoughts are that if such a man was so much of a chancer, which is what is being proposed by so many here, there is no way on earth that neighbours would provide such unwavering support and stand outside the property in solidarity in the wind and the rain all through the night.

Is this a joke? Have you read any of this thread or any piece of news around this story?

bb12

bb12 wrote: »

Nobody knows what he has or hasn't paid. That's the only true fact in all this.

Everything else written here is pure conjecture. All the previous judgements could be paid off by now for all we know.

Even the presence of a valid court order is in doubt. They appear to have proper legal representation now, so maybe the actual facts will emerge in time but for now nobody really knows anything.

My own thoughts are that if such a man was so much of a chancer, which is what is being proposed by so many here, there is no way on earth that neighbours would provide such unwavering support and stand outside the property in solidarity in the wind and the rain all through the night.

plenty of facts posted, you just dont like them

your point however is desperate conjecture