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Illegal Demolition in Dublin 8!

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    #62
    spurious
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    God help them if they were neighbours of mine and wanted planning permission for ANYTHING after that.


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    #63
    Marcusm
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    Gavin shels wrote: »
    Well currently as of 8am this morning it's about 5/6 foot high of generic blue cinder blocks.... not it's original red brick.

    Where was the brick in the original house other than a few cosmetic courses? Those houses are rendered or pebble-dashed. I assumed that they were mass concrete construction.


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    #64
    StupidLikeAFox
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    spurious wrote: »
    God help them if they were neighbours of mine and wanted planning permission for ANYTHING after that.

    That's the thing though. You can object to anything you like but it has to be reasonable too and at the end of the day something has to be built there

    Ridiculous that a builder can go down this road and after the initial fuss has died down can go on profit off it


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    #65
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Where was the brick in the original house other than a few cosmetic courses? Those houses are rendered or pebble-dashed. I assumed that they were mass concrete construction.

    Majority of the houses around here are mainly redbrick, some are peddle dashed and are painted. 18 O'Donovan Rd was peddle dashed over the redbrick with some of the brick visible iirc.


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    #66
    Gaspode
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    You're correct & you can see it on google maps anyway.


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    #67
    Marcusm
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    Gavin shels wrote: »
    Majority of the houses around here are mainly redbrick, some are peddle dashed and are painted. 18 O'Donovan Rd was peddle dashed over the redbrick with some of the brick visible iirc.

    Those bricks are not structural, it is decorative. you can see from the way that the render/pebble dash is rebated back from the brick. They are almost certainly mass concrete construction which means that block work is probably an improvement. Irrespective, whatever cowboy builder demolished the house should have taken on a different job. Nonsensical approach given the impact on the adjacent building.


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    #68
    dudara
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    Its a very community-driven area, which was a major attraction for us when buying. I wonder if the current owner plans to live there afterwards, or if he plans to sell it on. Either way, there won’t be a very warm welcome for whoever lives there.

    Also, what steps are going to be take to repair the damage to the adjoining house? Any residual damage will impact the new house also


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    #69
    Gavin "shels"
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    dudara wrote: »
    Its a very community-driven area, which was a major attraction for us when buying. I wonder if the current owner plans to live there afterwards, or if he plans to sell it on. Either way, there won’t be a very warm welcome for whoever lives there.

    Also, what steps are going to be take to repair the damage to the adjoining house? Any residual damage will impact the new house also

    Spot on - very community based around here and always have been. It was seen when people turned out for the solidarity protest with Una from 19 O'Donovan Rd, people of all ages. And also the initial community meeting with Una which led to the protest.

    If Brian does move into the house he definitely won't have a warm welcome, he's obviously scarred too - 2 CCTVs on a what was empty site and padlocks on his fencing.....

    Last word was she is having issues still having Brian Morrows engineer to talk to her engineer to get a resolution in place for the damage and how to "connect" the two properties together.


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    #70
    Marcusm
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    Gavin shels wrote: »
    Spot on - very community based around here and always have been. It was seen when people turned out for the solidarity protest with Una from 19 O'Donovan Rd, people of all ages. And also the initial community meeting with Una which led to the protest.

    If Brian does move into the house he definitely won't have a warm welcome, he's obviously scarred too - 2 CCTVs on a what was empty site and padlocks on his fencing.....

    Last word was she is having issues still having Brian Morrows engineer to talk to her engineer to get a resolution in place for the damage and how to "connect" the two properties together.

    I didn’t realise that the owner of the demolished house is a surveyor (MRICS) who proudly proclaims his diploma in construction law. You couldn’t make it up.


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    #71
    gctest50
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    Gavin "shels" wrote: »
    .........

    - 2 CCTVs on a what was empty site and padlocks on his fencing.....
    .

    You'd put that on any site these days, it just shows he is being responsible

    No-one has any business wandering around it


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    #72
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Marcusm wrote: »
    I didn’t realise that the owner of the demolished house is a surveyor (MRICS) who proudly proclaims his diploma in construction law. You couldn’t make it up.

    Couldn't make it up at all...

    No builders seem to stay on site more than a few days and then new ones... seems they may just be getting picked up as surplus on other sites...
    gctest50 wrote: »
    You'd put that on any site these days, it just shows he is being responsible

    No-one has any business wandering around it

    Could do with displaying a CCTV signage.... Is that the law when you're CCTV is pointing onto public roads?


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    #73
    Muahahaha
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    Marcusm wrote: »
    I didn’t realise that the owner of the demolished house is a surveyor (MRICS) who proudly proclaims his diploma in construction law. You couldn’t make it up.

    Well isnt that interesting, a member of a professional body of surveyors riding rough shot over his neighbours, planning laws and the very standards that he is supposed to uphold:-
    https://www.rics.org/eu/upholding-professional-standards/standards-of-conduct/ethics/
    Act in a manner, both in your professional life and private life, to promote you, your firm or the organisation you work for in a professional and positive way. This standard includes, but is not limited to, the following behaviours or actions:

    Promoting what you and the profession stand for – the highest standards globally.
    Understanding that being a professional is more than just about how you behave at work; it's also about how you behave in your private life.
    Understanding how your actions affect others and the environment and, if appropriate, questioning or amending that behaviour.
    Fulfilling your obligations. Doing what you say you will.
    Always trying to meet the spirit of your professional standards and not just the letter of the standards.
    Some of the key questions that you could ask yourself include:

    Do my actions promote the profession in the best light possible?
    What is the best way for me to promote trust in myself, my firm and the profession?
    Do I explain and promote the benefits, the checks and balances that exist with the professional services that I provide?

    Plus more on ethics-
    Be honest and straightforward in all that you do. This is one of our five professional and ethical standards. This standard includes, but is not limited to, the following behaviours or actions:

    Being trustworthy in all that you do.
    Being open and transparent in the way you work. Sharing appropriate and necessary information with your clients and/or others to conduct business and doing so in a way so they can understand that information.
    Respecting confidential information of your clients and potential clients.
    Don’t divulge information to others unless it is appropriate to do so.
    Not taking advantage of a client, a colleague, a third party or anyone to whom you owe a duty of care.
    Not allowing bias, conflict of interest or the undue influence of others to override your professional or business judgements and obligations.
    Making clear to all interested parties where a conflict of interest, or even a potential conflict of interest, arises between you or your employer and your client.
    Not offering or accepting gifts, hospitality or services, which might suggest an improper obligation.
    Acting consistently in the public interest when it comes to making decisions or providing advice.
    Some of the key questions that you could ask yourself include:

    What would an independent person think of my actions?
    Would I be happy to read about my actions in the press?
    How would my actions look to RICS?
    How would my actions look to my peers?
    Do people trust me? If not, why not?
    How often do I question what I do, not just in relation to meeting technical requirements but also in terms of acting professionally and ethically?
    Is this in the interest of my client, or my interest, or the interest of someone else?
    Would I like to be treated in this way if I were a client?
    Do I promote professional and ethical standards in all that I do?
    Do I say "show me where it says I can't" or do I say "is this ethical"?

    If he did that to my house I would 110% be complaining to the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors about his conduct. I would imagine they would take a very dim view of a surveyor behaving in this manner.
    https://www.rics.org/eu/footer/contact-us/complaints/


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    #74
    gctest50
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    Gavin "shels" wrote: »
    Couldn't make it up at all...

    No builders seem to stay on site more than a few days and then new ones......

    You're trying make mountains out of molehills

    Very flat molehills


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    #75
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Thanks for that Muahahaha ;)


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    #76
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    gctest50 wrote: »
    You're trying make mountains out of molehills

    Very flat molehills

    Good contribution... Just stating facts, you don't think it's unusual that different builders float onto the site on a weekly basic instead of a consistent contractor?


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    #77
    PeterBee
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    Gavin "shels" wrote: »
    Good contribution... Just stating facts, you don't think it's unusual that different builders float onto the site on a weekly basic instead of a consistent contractor?

    Could it be that the builders move on because they don’t want to be thought of as bullies? Perhaps they are living up to a ‘common sense’ code of ethics? Perhaps they want their family, children and friends to be proud of them.


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    #78
    Gavin "shels"
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    PeterBee wrote: »
    Could it be that the builders move on because they don’t want to be thought of as bullies? Perhaps they are living up to a ‘common sense’ code of ethics? Perhaps they want their family, children and friends to be proud of them.

    Definitely - the last set of builders seem a poster in the local cafe of the planned protest and they asked the neighbour what it was about... Not sure they've been on site much since. His wife was local funnily enough.


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    #79
    gctest50
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    I still don't get the daft logic

    It is now flat

    The locals would like a house there again

    To do this ya need builders

    Would "the locals" not encourage the contractors then ?


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    #80
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    gctest50 wrote: »
    I still don't get the daft logic

    It is now flat

    The locals would like a house there again

    To do this ya need builders

    Would "the locals" not encourage the contractors then ?

    What's a flat? No idea what you're on about. Maybe read the thread, then have a think and then post?


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    #81
    gctest50
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    I think there is a bit more to this


    Did No.18 offer to buy No.19 ?


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    #82
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    gctest50 wrote: »
    I think there is a bit more to this


    Did No.18 offer to buy No.19 ?

    I very much doubt it.... what's an offer? "Hi Una, can I buy your house" or actual legal dialog?


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    #83
    gctest50
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    Gavin "shels" wrote: »
    I very much doubt it.... what's an offer?

    "Hi Una, can I buy your house" or actual legal dialog?

    Either

    Don't need the philosophy


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    #84
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Either

    Don't need the philosophy

    Hi gctest50, can I buy your house off you?


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    #85
    dudara
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    Recent article in the Irish times gives some of the history of the area.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/house-and-home-an-irishwoman-s-diary-on-the-tenters-in-dublin-1.3639948


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    #86
    Gavin "shels"
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    Just an update on this - house being build currently (obviously to not breach the deadline of the end of January). Definitely not the same design as the previous building, it's come out further to the road and an extension going in on the side.


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    #87
    Muahahaha
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    Presumably if it doesnt conform to what was there previous it won't get retention for planning?


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    #88
    dudara
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    I noticed that when I walked past a few days ago. The front wall extends past the front of the other house. I didn’t think that would be allowed?


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    #89
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Presumably if it doesnt conform to what was there previous it won't get retention for planning?

    Considering DCC seem to have done very little to date, I wouldn't be expecting much to be done. A very bad precedent to be set.
    dudara wrote: »
    I noticed that when I walked past a few days ago. The front wall extends past the front of the other house. I didn’t think that would be allowed?

    It was in his original planning that was rejected iirc.


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    #90
    Muahahaha
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    Gavin shels wrote: »
    Considering DCC seem to have done very little to date, I wouldn't be expecting much to be done. A very bad precedent to be set.

    Well lets hope that they do take action. I'd say that it is important that local people raise their objections with them in writing too so the planners in DCC know they are under the mircoscope. If he isn't building something that complies with planning then he should be refused retention which would make the property very difficult to ever sell, no bank would lend on it and no solicitor would certify it as having good title.

    Planning aside he is going to leave his neighbours house devalued when it has this brand new structure attached next to it.


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    #91
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Well lets hope that they do take action. I'd say that it is important that local people raise their objections with them in writing too so the planners in DCC know they are under the mircoscope. If he isn't building something that complies with planning then he should be refused retention which would make the property very difficult to ever sell, no bank would lend on it and no solicitor would certify it as having good title. .

    Pat Dunne & Rebecca Moynihan where bringing it directly to DCC Planning Enforcement a few weeks ago after the first residents meeting about it.


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