Almost every position the left has, is actually just an attack on Christian beliefs?

Grayson

DS86DS wrote: »

Trolling = somebody you don't agree with.

As for your nonsense about "peace and harmony". Don't make me laugh, the most ethnically diverse societies are tinderboxes waiting to explode, just take the Balkans as one example among many.

And if you think that if Islam ever gets a majority in Europe that they'll be adhering to some BS hippy doctrine about"peace and harmony", then you've another coming to you.

Your either in the House of Islam, or an Infidel who deserves nothing short of death. No other two ways about it. Islam doesn't do hippy pipe dreams

How are the balkans the most ethnically diverse? I don't see many black or asian people knocking around there? And weirdly, despite your rant about islam, you do realise the last attempted genocide/ ethnic cleansing in Europe was performed by groups that were christian and was against muslims.

How is it that you can say that muslims are bad and in the very example you use to show ethnic diversity is one where muslims were massacred. It takes some amount of mental gymnastics.

seamus

tomofson wrote: »

But the reality is there is not one country with large scale multiculturalism that does not have groups thinking they are more oppressed than others, even if you treat everyone the exact same some group will get it into their heads they have it worse.

Fixed your post.

Also, I hope you haven't missed the irony that you're claiming "some group will get it into their heads that they're being oppressed", in a thread that's claiming Christianity is being attacked.

Sonics2k

tomofson wrote: »

Nobody said that, people of different genetics are far too different psychologically to all live together in peace and harmony.

There is good people in every race and culture of course there is, that does not mean it is a good idea to mix us all together, I dont have much of a problem for multiculturalism on a small scale.

But the reality is there is not one country with large scale multiculturalism that does not have groups thinking they are more oppressed than others, even if you treat everyone the exact same some group will get it into their heads they have it worse. The race card gets played 24/7 in Britain and america. Race riots always follow.

You do realise that your very own bloodline is a mish-mash of dozens of different cultures and races?

Hell, if you're from Munster there's a high chance you've got Arabic ancestry via the Spanish soldiers or Moroccan traders who came here.

tomofson

Grayson wrote: »

How are the balkans the most ethnically diverse? I don't see many black or asian people knocking around there? And weirdly, despite your rant about islam, you do realise the last attempted genocide/ ethnic cleansing in Europe was performed by groups that were christian and was against muslims.

How is it that you can say that muslims are bad and in the very example you use to show ethnic diversity is one where muslims were massacred. It takes some amount of mental gymnastics.

Islam was invading Europe and european christians defended their territories, pushed back the ottomon empire and began the crusades.

That is why the crusades happened it was far from a genocide.

tomofson

Sonics2k wrote: »

You do realise that your very own bloodline is a mish-mash of dozens of different cultures and races?

Hell, if you're from Munster there's a high chance you've got Arabic ancestry via the Spanish soldiers or Moroccan traders who came here.

Even if thats true which I doubt very much it is, that was on a very low scale, the current indoctrination is promoting mass scale race mixing, it will be impossible for the European peoples with their diverse beauty to exist with the level expected.

How many redheads,or blondes or blue eyes or green eyes do you see walking around brazil?

European people are the most diverse on the planet.

Wibbs

Grayson wrote: »

It's the weird circular argument of the right. Multiculturalism will never work

Multiculturalism is a nice idea, but it has rarely if ever worked, or never worked for long. When it has worked it was largely forced to work by an overpowering cultural force that brooked little dissent(Imperial Rome, China, early Islamic world).

because there are racists who hate multiculturalism. Therefore racism is right and we should all be against multiculturalism because it will never work.

Yep there are indeed racists who hate other cultures. One would be an idiot to suggest there aren't. And they're to be found in every culture. It's not just the White man's burden™ or trait. And such views and tribalism are the main reason multiculturalism is extremely problematic. However to infer this makes racism "right" is a the kinda leap that would get you into the final of the olympics long jump. It is what it is. The human species is extremely tribal and partisan and we see that in nigh on every facet of human life and culture and society. And it always has been like this. Consider this: 50,000 years ago there were at least three other human subspecies around. Today there is one. Us. The rest are gone, overwhelmed/isolated/bred out by Homo sapiens sapiens colonising the world and there's little in the way of top down social engineering with all the good will in the world that will change this trait any time soon.

As far as "left" and "right" philosophies go, TBH in my heart I prefer the left in general as they view the world and people as malleable, with endless possibilities for improvement for society and culture, which is great, but it has a strong tendency to naivete and hiding of heads in the sand to a few realities.

Berserker

kneemos wrote: »

The left is a strange and mysterious thing for Americans.

No, they got a taste of it with Obama and it's not for them.

DS86DS

Grayson wrote: »

How are the balkans the most ethnically diverse? I don't see many black or asian people knocking around there? And weirdly, despite your rant about islam, you do realise the last attempted genocide/ ethnic cleansing in Europe was performed by groups that were christian and was against muslims.

How is it that you can say that muslims are bad and in the very example you use to show ethnic diversity is one where muslims were massacred. It takes some amount of mental gymnastics.

Why don't you actually study some history in detail instead of just blindly accepting what the standard court historians in the mainstream media have to say about the Crusades.

Islam had been making attempts to make inroads into Europe for hundreds of years, just take the Battle of Tours as one example amongst many. They manage to completely take the Iberian peninsula for a full several centuries before they could be removed.

There is a long history of attempts by Islamic powers to make inroads into Eastern Europe just as it had done in India where Islam had been responsible for 80 million deaths.

Christian pilgrims were constantly been attacked, killed and kidnapped before the Western Church decided to put its boot down. And it was by no means out of the ordinary, Islam has been spread at the point of the sword since it's 7th century inception.

Excellent video also by Stefan Molyneaux on the topic.


https://youtu.be/-ilFbbk9jw4

GarIT

tomofson wrote: »

Even if thats true which I doubt very much it is, that was on a very low scale, the current indoctrination is promoting mass scale race mixing, it will be impossible for the European peoples with their diverse beauty to exist with the level expected.

How many redheads,or blondes or blue eyes or green eyes do you see walking around brazil?

European people are the most diverse on the planet.

Who is behind the current indoctrination? And where is it? I haven't heard anything like it ever.

Never in my life have I heard anything promoting race mixing. I've heard people argue that mixing races isn't wrong and we should harass people in mixed marriages but that is very different from promoting it as something we should all do.

MFPM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I do not want to copy and paste entire articles so I will post a link to one I like when I put in the Google search why the left hate the Bible.
When I was younger I was very leftwing myself but as I grew older I grew out of it.






https://wsau.com/blogs/ben-armstrong-blog/20344/rebelling-against-god-is-actually-whats-behind-almost-all-left-wing-beliefs/

why the left hate the Bible.
When I was younger I was very leftwing myself but as I grew older I grew out of it.

I don't tend to reply to idiocy but...

How do you define 'the left'? Is this 'left' you and your mate writing the article a homogenous mass with no differences or nuances?

Lastly if the 'left' hate the bible or 'attack christian beliefs' how does one account for various advocates of the bible or shristian practitioners broadly positioning themselves on the 'left'?

tomofson

GarIT wrote: »

Who is behind the current indoctrination? I haven't heard anything like it ever.

Never in my life have I heard anything promoting race mixing. I've heard people argue that mixing races isn't wrong and we should harass people in mixed marriages but that is very different from promoting it as something we should all do.

Im guessing you haven't watched a movie or a television series, or even a TV adverts since the 1950's.

Just type "white man,white woman" into google and click search images.

Shemale

mzungu wrote: »

No, no, no no. That was Bruce Wayne.

Who's got the biggest, who's got the biggest, who's got the biggest brain?

Sonics2k

tomofson wrote: »

Even if thats true which I doubt very much it is, that was on a very low scale, the current indoctrination is promoting mass scale race mixing, it will be impossible for the European peoples with their diverse beauty to exist with the level expected.

How many redheads,or blondes or blue eyes or green eyes do you see walking around brazil?

European people are the most diverse on the planet.

It absolutely is true. Largely Northern European, Scandinavian, Norman, Saxon, Celtic, Frankian (French) and spatters of Spanish across the more coastal regions, especially around Munster. If you can't figure out why Spanish shows up, read up on the infamous failed Armada.

Also, European people are the most diverse people on the planet quite simply because of other cultures coming to Europe over the centuries.

Lastly, what exactly are you referring to when you speak of race-mixing? Mixed races in schools? Different races having children?

Wibbs

Grayson wrote: »

And weirdly, despite your rant about islam, you do realise the last attempted genocide/ ethnic cleansing in Europe was performed by groups that were christian and was against muslims. .

1) you forgot the Holocaust(and there have been a few others since the crusades. 2) The expanding Islamic empire unilaterlally kicked off said crusades, not the Christian empire. In the parlance of the schoolyard, they started it.

Sonics2k wrote: »

You do realise that your very own bloodline is a mish-mash of dozens of different cultures and races?

Not even close to dozens I'm afraid. Ireland was an isolate for quite a long time with little enough large scale movement in or out of it. Even our neighbour Britain who had the Romans and Saxons rocking up in some numbers their genetics are more "British" than "Italian" or "Dutch". Going to mainland Europe which has had back and forth flow going on for millennia, the genetics of the average European man and woman(particular men, as women's genes tend to travel more) is remarkably pretty closely linked to their geographic location. So Spaniards tend to look like spaniards more than they look like Swedes. A few years back they extracted the DNA of a 9000 year old skeleton found in England, "Cheddar Man" and they found a direct descendant on his mitochondrial(mother's) line to a local schoolteacher.

tomofson

Sonics2k wrote: »

It absolutely is true. Largely Northern European, Scandinavian, Norman, Saxon, Celtic, Frankian (French) and spatters of Spanish across the more coastal regions, especially around Munster. If you can't figure out why Spanish shows up, read up on the infamous failed Armada.

Also, European people are the most diverse people on the planet quite simply because of other cultures coming to Europe over the centuries.

Lastly, what exactly are you referring to when you speak of race-mixing? Mixed races in schools? Different races having children?

Most of those people you mentioned are of the same ethnic family, Europeans.

Oh yeah all that red hair and blonde hair moving in from africa and asia, we must have took all their gingers and blondes because you will be hard pressed to find many there now.

GarIT

tomofson wrote: »

Im guessing you haven't watched a movie or a television series, or even a TV adverts since the 1950's.

Just type "white man,white woman" into google and click search images.

I watch lots of movies and TV, I can't say I've noticed a higher number or mixed relationships than in the real world.

Do you know how internet searches work? They match words. If you search that Google will look for something containing the words white (with added weight because either appeared twice), man and woman. I've never really seen a couple discribed as a white man and a white woman, they just say man and woman. When someone's colour is brought up it's usually because it's non typical, so you will find results that contain other races as long as it includes the words white, man and woman.

GarIT

tomofson wrote: »

Most of those people you mentioned are of the same ethnic family, Europeans.

Oh yeah all that red hair and blonde hair moving in from africa and asia, we must have took all their gingers and blondes because you will be hard pressed to find many there now.

You've heard of tanning right? People change colour depending on how much sun they are exposed to.

Wibbs

Sonics2k wrote: »

It absolutely is true. Largely Northern European, Scandinavian, Norman, Saxon, Celtic, Frankian (French) and spatters of Spanish across the more coastal regions, especially around Munster. If you can't figure out why Spanish shows up, read up on the infamous failed Armada.

The Spanish Armada link has zero evidence. The old idea that we are related to northern Spanish was due to a lack of resolution with genetics at the time, so one particular marker looked the same, but has since shown to be different.

Also, European people are the most diverse people on the planet quite simply because of other cultures coming to Europe over the centuries.

Eh... no. This is a complete and utter nonsense. Of the main broadly defined human populations Europeans are the narrowest when compared to Asians and especially Africans. Africa has - and by a long way - the most genetic diversity on the planet. You can have two African lads living in towns twenty miles apart that are less related than a Romanian and an Irishman. It's one reason why we know modern humans came out of Africa and colonised the rest of the world, they were there for longer and their diversity is the result of that.

One theory why Europeans do indeed look more diverse with far more eye, skin and hair variations than anywhere else is because our populations were so small and to avoid inbreeding we positively selected for the unusual, the different and mutations like blond hair and blue eyes were propagated on the back of that process.

tomofson

GarIT wrote: »

I watch lots of movies and TV, I can't say I've noticed a higher number or mixed relationships than in the real world.

Do you know how internet searches work? They match words. If you search that Google will look for something containing the words white (with added weight because either appeared twice), man and woman. I've never really seen a couple discribed as a white man and a white woman, they just say man and woman. When someone's colour is brought up it's usually because it's non typical, so you will find results that contain other races as long as it includes the words white, man and woman.

The walking dead, one of if not the most watched television series of all time doesn't have a lot of interracial relationships?

Still though, every single picture on there is of a mixed race couple, cant tell me something hasn't been tampered with.

GarIT

tomofson wrote: »

The walking dead, one of if not the most watched television series of all time doesn't have a lot of interracial relationships?

Still though, every single picture on there is of a mixed race couple, cant tell me something hasn't been tampered with.

One show makes an international agenda?

tomofson

GarIT wrote: »

You've heard of tanning right? People change colour depending on how much sun they are exposed to.

Oh yeahI know, all those really light skinned blonde haired eskimos.

tomofson

GarIT wrote: »

One show makes an international agenda?

You know full well its more than just one show.

sk8erboii

tomofson wrote: »

The walking dead, one of if not the most watched television series of all time doesn't have a lot of interracial relationships?

Still though, every single picture on there is of a mixed race couple, cant tell me something hasn't been tampered with.

LOL. Yes im sure the jews and globalists are why Saoirse and Blathnaid are dating brown guys.

xckjoo

What's the issue with interracial couples? It results in better genetic diversity for offspring so surely that's a good thing?

tomofson

xckjoo wrote: »

What's the issue with interracial couples? It results in better genetic diversity for offspring so surely that's a good thing?

No it doesn't, the actual facts say otherwise, not the facts you emotionally agree with but the real ones.

sk8erboii

xckjoo wrote: »

What's the issue with interracial couples? It results in better genetic diversity for offspring so surely that's a good thing?

the issue is that a wider selection means he's left out. Theres mental gymnastics about protecting your tribe or some crap that nobody who has friends really cares about.

xckjoo

tomofson wrote: »

No it doesn't, the actual facts say otherwise, not the facts you emotionally agree with but the real ones.

Lol. Don't think I'm the emotional one here buddy. Can you share those facts or are they a secret?

Sonics2k

Wibbs wrote: »

The Spanish Armada link has zero evidence. The old idea that we are related to northern Spanish was due to a lack of resolution with genetics at the time, so one particular marker looked the same, but has since shown to be different.

Then I will happily stand corrected on this.

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh... no. This is a complete and utter nonsense. Of the main broadly defined human populations Europeans are the narrowest when compared to Asians and especially Africans. Africa has - and by a long way - the most genetic diversity on the planet. You can have two African lads living in towns twenty miles apart that are less related than a Romanian and an Irishman. It's one reason why we know modern humans came out of Africa and colonised the rest of the world, they were there for longer and their diversity is the result of that.

One theory why Europeans do indeed look more diverse with far more eye, skin and hair variations than anywhere else is because our populations were so small and to avoid inbreeding we positively selected for the unusual, the different and mutations like blond hair and blue eyes were propagated on the back of that process.

I believe this was the point I was making. The common gene between the various European cultures is entirely due to mixed breeding. Go back far enough and people would have been horrified at the idea of an Saxon having a child with a Frankian as abhorrent.

My point here is that European culture itself is a mix of various cultures come together with time. This would appear to be the issue tomofson except he dislikes the idea of dark people getting mixed in there too.

tomofson

sk8erboii wrote: »

the issue is that a wider selection means he's left out. Theres mental gymnastics about protecting your tribe or some crap that nobody who has friends really cares about.

No, its not all about me, I am not that selfish.
I care more about other people than I do myself.

IAmTheReign

tomofson wrote: »

Islam was invading Europe and european christians defended their territories, pushed back the ottomon empire and began the crusades.

That is why the crusades happened it was far from a genocide.

There's so much wrong with this statement I don't even know where to begin!

The Crusades started as an effort by Christians to retake the Holy Land, they took place in the Middle East, not Europe.

The first Crusade was authorised by Rome in 1095. The Ottoman Empire didn't even exist until the end of the 13th century, and they didn't hold any territory in Europe until 1354 when they entered the Balkans.

And the genocide he's referring to is not the bloody Crusades! He's talking about the Bosnian Genocide, which took place in 90s and involved Christians killing Muslims.

sk8erboii

tomofson wrote: »

No, its not all about me, I am not that selfish.
I care more about other people than I do myself.

'im not that selfish'
'but i only care about whites'

tomofson

Sonics2k wrote: »

I believe this was the point I was making. The common gene between the various European cultures is entirely due to mixed breeding. Go back far enough and people would have been horrified at the idea of an Saxon having a child with a Frankian as abhorrent.

Saxon and frankish are both sub ethnicities of the same wider racial family.

In fact frankish are simply just a mixture of celtic and saxon.

Wibbs

xckjoo wrote: »

What's the issue with interracial couples? It results in better genetic diversity for offspring so surely that's a good thing?

I dunno if it makes much of a difference X. Humans are so closely related as a species that it likely means feck all either way. There'd certainly be no hybrid vigour going on anyway.

xckjoo

tomofson wrote: »

No, its not all about me, I am not that selfish.
I care more about other people than I do myself.

Those kind of statements are usually just shorthand for "I like to stick my oar in everyone elses business because I can't keep my own sh1t together"

tomofson

IAmTheReign wrote: »

There's so much wrong with this statement I don't even know where to begin!

The Crusades started as an effort by Christians to retake the Holy Land, they took place in the Middle East, not Europe.

The first Crusade was authorised by Rome in 1095. The Ottoman Empire didn't even exist until the end of the 13th century, and they didn't hold any territory in Europe until 1354 when they entered the Balkans.

And the genocide he's referring to is not the bloody Crusades! He's talking about the Bosnian Genocide, which took place in 90s and involved Christians killing Muslims.

Oh yeah on the first crusade they were pushing back the moors and arab invaders.

The Bosnian genocide was more an act of retaliation than aggression, muslim bosniaks were slaughtering orthodox serbs and croatian catholics for a couple of years before that action was authorized

sk8erboii

xckjoo wrote: »

Those kind of statements are usually just shorthand for "I like to stick my oar in everyone elses business because I can't keep my own sh1t together"

is that directed towards me?

Wibbs

Sonics2k wrote: »

I believe this was the point I was making. The common gene between the various European cultures is entirely due to mixed breeding.

No, that's my point, this is a scientific nonsense. Any "common genes" within the European population is not down to mixing, it's far more down to being genetically narrow(compared to other populations) in the first place.

xckjoo

Wibbs wrote: »

I dunno if it makes much of a difference X. Humans are so closely related as a species that it likely means feck all either way. There'd certainly be no hybrid vigour going on anyway.

I heard years ago that it reduces the likelihood of inheriting undesirable genetic mutations but that could be wrong or outdated. Apparently I'm too emotional to see the truth though. Excuse me while I go for a cry :pac:

xckjoo

sk8erboii wrote: »

is that directed towards me?

No! Sorry I was agreeing with you. Was in response to the original comment. Fixed my own post for clarity

DS86DS

Sonics2k wrote: »

Then I will happily stand corrected on this.



I believe this was the point I was making. The common gene between the various European cultures is entirely due to mixed breeding. Go back far enough and people would have been horrified at the idea of an Saxon having a child with a Frankian as abhorrent.

My point here is that European culture itself is a mix of various cultures come together with time. This would appear to be the issue tomofson except he dislikes the idea of dark people getting mixed in there too.

Rubbish. Europeans have evolved over thousands of years in order to adopt to their environment. Hence, look at modern day Europe where non-European migrants are having problems adjusting to the environment, both physically and culturally.

Not to mention that there are clear IQ differences between European populations and non-European migrants, particularly from sub-Saharan Africa. In fact you are looking at a massive differential of 20 - 30 IQ points.

And it is for a very understandable reason, over thousands of years...... Europeans adopted physically and genetically to the challenging environment of Europe, most particularly during the Ice Ages. There are clear genetic differences at play here, the result of thousands of years of evolution and adaptation.

But then agsin, when did the Left ever accept science when it challenged their One World fairytale.

sk8erboii

DS86DS wrote: »

Rubbish. Europeans have evolved over thousands of years in order to adopt to their environment. Hence, look at modern day Europe where non-European migrants are having problems adjusting to the environment, both physically and culturally.

Not to mention that there are clear IQ differences between European populations and non-European migrants, particularly from sub-Saharan Africa. In fact you are looking at a massive differential of 20 - 30 IQ points.

And it is for a very understandable reason, over thousands of years...... Europeans adopted physically and genetically to the challenging environment of Europe, most particularly during the Ice Ages. There are clear genetic differences at play here, the result of thousands of years of evolution and adaptation.

But then agsin, when did the Left ever accept science when it challenged their One World fairytale.

'Whites are superior cause we adapted!'
'Wtf why do leftists wanna adapt to an interdependent world thats just fantasy!'

tomofson

DS86DS wrote: »

Rubbish. Europeans have evolved over thousands of years in order to adopt to their environment. Hence, look at modern day Europe where non-European migrants are having problems adjusting to the environment, both physically and culturally.

Not to mention that there are clear IQ differences between European populations and non-European migrants, particularly from sub-Saharan Africa. In fact you are looking at a massive differential of 20 - 30 IQ points.

And it is for a very understandable reason, over thousands of years...... Europeans adopted physically and genetically to the challenging environment of Europe, most particularly during the Ice Ages. There are clear genetic differences at play here, the result of thousands of years of evolution and adaptation.

But then agsin, when did the Left ever accept science when it challenged their One World fairytale.

The people on here don't even know the difference between a separate race and a sub ethnicity of the same race.

Celtic,Frankish,Spanish,Germanic, and Scandinavians are all sub ethnicities of indo european, we are very much so related.

xckjoo

tomofson wrote: »

The people on here don't even know the difference between a separate race and a sub ethnicity of the same race.

Celtic,Frankish,Spanish,Germanic, and Scandinavians are all sub ethnicities of indo european, we are very much so related.

So can you provide us with some links so we can learn?

ohnonotgmail

DS86DS wrote: »

Rubbish. Europeans have evolved over thousands of years in order to adopt to their environment. Hence, look at modern day Europe where non-European migrants are having problems adjusting to the environment, both physically and culturally.

Not to mention that there are clear IQ differences between European populations and non-European migrants, particularly from sub-Saharan Africa. In fact you are looking at a massive differential of 20 - 30 IQ points.

And it is for a very understandable reason, over thousands of years...... Europeans adopted physically and genetically to the challenging environment of Europe, most particularly during the Ice Ages. There are clear genetic differences at play here, the result of thousands of years of evolution and adaptation.

But then agsin, when did the Left ever accept science when it challenged their One World fairytale.

Do you have any examples of non-europeans having problems adjusting physically to the environment here?

tomofson

xckjoo wrote: »

So can you provide us with some links so we can learn?

If you don't even know the simple basics then why are you even trying to debate?

sk8erboii

tomofson wrote: »

The people on here don't even know the difference between a separate race and a sub ethnicity of the same race.

Celtic,Frankish,Spanish,Germanic, and Scandinavians are all sub ethnicities of indo european, we are very much so related.

Lmfao indo-european is a language group.

Laughing at uneducated people speaking with conviction

xckjoo

tomofson wrote: »

If you don't even know the simple basics then why are you even trying to debate?

I'm not debating. I've only been asked questions.
So you don't have any links then? What's your own knowledge based on?

victor8600

Ardent wrote: »

Folks need a moral compass in their lives. ....

I would like to clarify your sentence -- "Stupid folks need an external moral compass". If you deem yourself intelligent and do not understand from basic principles why you should act morally, then by all means join a religion.

Doctor Jimbob

The genetic differences between any group of modern humans is minuscule at best.

If you want to argue cultural differences then fair enough, I might not agree but I can accept the logic. Trying to argue there's any significant genetic difference however is just flat out scientifically incorrect.

tomofson

sk8erboii wrote: »

Lmfao indo-european is a language group.

Laughing at uneducated people speaking with conviction

A language group spoke by people with very similar genetic makeup.