Almost every position the left has, is actually just an attack on Christian beliefs?

tomofson

Try_harder wrote: »

If you are human, I'd gladly be subhuman!

You think it is okay for 10 and 11 year old boys to dress up in skimpy female outfits and be put on parade for a largely adult audience?

You are sick.

Even as a gay man you should have some major problems with that.

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

You think it is okay for 10 and 11 year old boys to dress up in skimpy female outfits and be put on parade for a largely adult audience?

I clicked the link fully expecting to see some kind of weird child auction or something. The little boy has an interest in drag so what? some little boys have an interest in playing football (for a largely adult audience BTW) some are interested in scouts, some are interested in dancing this kid likes drag what's the problem? Let kids be their true selves if it's a phase they'll grow out of it.

Moghead

tomofson wrote: »

You think it is okay for 10 and 11 year old boys to dress up in skimpy female outfits and be put on parade for a largely adult audience?

You are sick.

Even as a gay man you should have some major problems with that.

Me thinks the pederast doth protest to much.

tomofson

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

I clicked the link fully expecting to see some kind of weird child auction or something. The little boy has an interest in drag so what? some little boys have an interest in playing football (for a largely adult audience BTW) some are interested in scouts, some are interested in dancing this kid likes drag what's the problem? Let kids be their true selves if it's a phase they'll grow out of it.

At least the vast majority of those commenting underneath have a serious problem with it, so there is some hope in humanity, even going by the thumbs up thumbs down ratio.

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

At least the vast majority of those commenting underneath have a serious problem with it, so there is some hope in humanity, even going by the thumbs up thumbs down ratio.

You need to chill, what's it to you what that kids hobby is?

tomofson

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

You need to chill, what's it to you what that kids hobby is?

I really dont understand how you are not vomiting in your mouth right now after trying to justify that degeneracy.

It is plain wrong to sexualize a child, cant believe you dont get that.

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

I really dont understand how you are not vomiting in your mouth right now after trying to justify that degeneracy.

tomofson wrote:

It is plain wrong to sexualize a child, cant believe you dont get that.

Would you be happy for him to be into drag if he was wearing age appropriate clothing?

tomofson

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Would you be happy for him to be into drag if he was wearing age appropriate clothing?

No, dressing a young boy like a girl is degenerate and deviant regardless.

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

No, dressing a young boy like a girl is degenerate and deviant regardless.

Why?

tomofson

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Why?

What positives could possibly come from it?

Triceratops Ballet

tomofson wrote:

What positives could possibly come from it?

The child is happy? The child gets to be who they are?
What negatives are there?

Wibbs

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

I clicked the link fully expecting to see some kind of weird child auction or something. The little boy has an interest in drag so what? some little boys have an interest in playing football (for a largely adult audience BTW) some are interested in scouts, some are interested in dancing this kid likes drag what's the problem? Let kids be their true selves if it's a phase they'll grow out of it.

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

You need to chill, what's it to you what that kids hobby is?

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

The child is happy? The child gets to be who they are?
What negatives are there?

How a kid wants to dress or act around their families or kids their own age I'd be largely meh about, but let's switch it around, would you be perfectly fine with a 9 year old little girl swanning about in a hyper sexualised way in revealing clothes in front of an audience of adult men whopping and cheering? Yeah, forgive me if I don't believe that for a nanosecond..

Wibbs

PS don't google that poor kids name. Not unless you want to feel eye twitching fcuking rage at how a child is being exploited by degenerates in plain view and with the tacit, even overt approval of too bloody many. The same too bloody many who would rightfully be up in arms and calling the police if it were a little girl.

tomofson

Wibbs wrote: »

PS don't google that poor kids name. Not unless you want to feel eye twitching fcuking rage at how a child is being exploited by degenerates in plain view and with the tacit, even overt approval of too bloody many.

Just watching that video was enough for me.

Triceratops Ballet

Wibbs wrote:

How a kid wants to dress or act around their families or kids their own age I'd be largely meh about, but let's switch it around, would you be perfectly fine with a 9 year old little girl swanning about in a hyper sexualised way in revealing clothes in front of an audience of adult men whopping and cheering? Yeah, forgive me if I don't believe that for a nanosecond..

Yeah I agree that the performance aspect is problematic, on the one hand I think kids performances should be limited to local /school talent shows etc but on the other then should kids be able to perform on things like the mickey mouse club (or whatever the most recent incarnation of that is) ?The line is so blurry as to what is driven by kids and what is driven by their parents.

I only watched the start of the video, with the intro to the kid and on the face of it, if a kid likes to dress up and put makeup on and sing(or lip sync) and dance then I see nothing wrong with that.
Kids performing for the entertainment of adults at any level is questionable, but if its not OK for a little boy to do this because it's unconventional how is it OK for the likes of little Arianna Gande or Britney or the Olsen twins who were doing similar from a young age? I don't have the answer BTW. I don't know where or how the line gets drawn.

Wibbs

Like I said don't google if you value your temper control, but I dived in deep holding my nose for ye...

This child "performed" in a New York club, where adult men were handing him dollar bills as he pranced around and this event was publicised on social media, including the kids Instagram. That his parents and handlers and organisers were OK, even celebratory about all that is beyond fcuking degenerate and more than a bit concerning that is is in such plain sight.

FTA69

Wibbs wrote: »

Like I said don't google if you value your temper control, but I dived in deep holding my nose for ye...

This child "performed" in a New York club, where adult men were handing him dollar bills as he pranced around and this event was publicised on social media, including the kids Instagram. That his parents and handlers and organisers were OK, even celebratory about all that is beyond fcuking degenerate and more than a bit concerning that is is in such plain sight.

I saw this on Facebook yesterday and honestly thought it was satire. What is wrong with people? I honestly think the conflation between liberalism and socialism is the worst thing to have happened to the left in years.

Socialist politics used to revolve around community and raising the collective position of groups such as women etc via struggling as a united working class; now it has been substituted in many cases by competing "identities" reduced to raw individualism and dressed up as something radical that challenges the status quo when in reality it does anything but.

For instance Socialist women used to be against prostitution and the sexualisation of kids - now we have people lauding sex work as a liberating choice and sh*te like the video above. It's chronic.

nthclare

This thread is disturbingly getting creepy.

Wibbs

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

but if its not OK for a little boy to do this because it's unconventional how is it OK for the likes of little Arianna Gande or Britney or the Olsen twins who were doing similar from a young age? I don't have the answer BTW. I don't know where or how the line gets drawn.

IMHO it's not OK TB. Girl, boy, doesn't matter. The line I draw is Child doing dressing up games(which is natural for kids to want to do) in front of adults for their "entertainment"? Nope. And IMHO those parents and others making money from that kinda thing are repugnant degenerates who should be called on it and shunned.

Wibbs

FTA69 wrote: »

Socialist politics used to revolve around community and raising the collective position of groups such as women etc via struggling as a united working class; now it has been substituted in many cases by competing "identities" reduced to raw individualism and dressed up as something radical that challenges the status quo when in reality it does anything but.

For me it's less about identity politics FT, more about how it turned into victim politics.

Previously, even currently oppressed demographics came together to change hearts, minds and laws which is a very good thing, but problems can come along for the ride. One problem is when you build the machinery of revolution and the revolution is mostly won the machine sits there wondering what to do next. So in finding a new purpose the machine looks for any hint of criticism that may be targeted at the cause and becomes very sensitive to it, even to the point of ignoring questionable stuff, if it might hurt the cause.

Take this poor kid as an example. If it were a little girl dancing about half dressed taking money on a stage of an all male nightclub, the response would be instant and extremely negative. For a start girls tend to more protected in society and have a movement like feminism that would be ready to back up the the calls of WTF. But because it was a Gay nightclub, the same folks would be reticent to call it out for what it is because of the understandable to a fair extent fear of focusing negative attention on Gay folks in general and fear of being accused of homophobia. Even folks within the Gay community could be sensitive to that. That said a fair number of Gay guys who ended up in said club that night did express a serious level of WTF is this? Indeed I would say it's more likely those outside a community who would be most reticent to call it out.

GarIT

That YouTube link is disgusting, it made me so angry.

FTA69

Wibbs wrote: »

For me it's less about identity politics FT, more about how it turned into victim politics.

Previously, even currently oppressed demographics came together to change hearts, minds and laws which is a very good thing, but problems can come along for the ride. One problem is when you build the machinery of revolution and the revolution is mostly won the machine sits there wondering what to do next. So in finding a new purpose the machine looks for any hint of criticism that may be targeted at the cause and becomes very sensitive to it, even to the point of ignoring questionable stuff, if it might hurt the cause.

Take this poor kid as an example. If it were a little girl dancing about half dressed taking money on a stage of an all male nightclub, the response would be instant and extremely negative. For a start girls tend to more protected in society and have a movement like feminism that would be ready to back up the the calls of WTF. But because it was a Gay nightclub, the same folks would be reticent to call it out for what it is because of the understandable to a fair extent fear of focusing negative attention on Gay folks in general and fear of being accused of homophobia. Even folks within the Gay community could be sensitive to that. That said a fair number of Gay guys who ended up in said club that night did express a serious level of WTF is this? Indeed I would say it's more likely those outside a community who would be most reticent to call it out.

Do you remember all the huffing and puffing out of David Norris and Cathal Ó Searcaigh when they were called out on their defences of nonce behaviour? How it was a rerun of Catholic Irish homophobia instead of two dirty old men being challenged on their warped view of young teenage boys?

For me a lot of the identity stuff on the left is a consequence of a generation growing up in a period of total and utter defeat of the organised left; trade unions have largely been defeated, neo-liberal capitalism (was) hegemenous and the political left had largely committed to administering the sh*t economic system that we have. In an absence of any meaningful class struggle or material analysis of capitalism - you instead had the rise of gender, sexuality and race stuff as a substitute for radicalism. Thus some of these people will be super "woke" (bleurgh) but tie themselves up in knots immediately as they've no ability to explain the wider contexts in which sexism and racism exists and get caught up in some mad form of Privilege Olympics.

Case in point, Beyoncé is brilliant, Yass Kween! even though she has Sri Lankan sweat shops making her clothing line will Andy the van driver in Essex on £9 an hour is privileged scum with whom I've nothing in common.

Try_harder

tomofson wrote: »

You think it is okay for 10 and 11 year old boys to dress up in skimpy female outfits and be put on parade for a largely adult audience?

You are sick.

Even as a gay man you should have some major problems with that.

Drag is a jester not a sex worker

victor8600

tomofson wrote: »

Then we have this being promoted by mainstream media.

...video link....

An audience of sub humans actually clapped and cheered for this.

WTF does this have to do with the topic of this discussion?

Did you type "Christians versus Left" into your YouTube search and this link came up first? The fact that you found the YouTube link only says that it matches your search request or profile.

What do you want to say anyway? That the religious American culture promotes exploitation of children? Or that some Left influence causes children to perform in front of strangers?

mzungu

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Kids performing for the entertainment of adults at any level is questionable, but if its not OK for a little boy to do this because it's unconventional how is it OK for the likes of little Arianna Gande or Britney or the Olsen twins who were doing similar from a young age? I don't have the answer BTW. I don't know where or how the line gets drawn.

I don't know much about Ariana Grande or the Olsen twins, but Britney Spears has had a litany of personal problems which mostly stem from a life on stage. Look at Lindsay Lohan, or Macaulay Culkin and Gary Coleman for evidence of the same. Behind every washed up child star you will find money hungry parents either living out failed dreams through their kids, or have spotted an easy meal ticket. Having children to perform like some kind of circus animal for the gratification of adults is seriously damaging, I would be completely against it, no matter if its a boy or girl. I'm sure things are a bit better now (I hope) but that's only because the industry had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it. Washed up star after washed up star, scandal after scandal etc. It goes back even before Judy Garland, but its only recently that anything even slightly meaningful was done to do something about it. That in itself tells you the story.

I haven't watched the link that has been discussed over the past few posts, mainly because from the description of it I have heard enough. But it sounds utterly putrid and not a million miles away from exploitation. I feel the same way about those child beauty pageants they are so fond of in the USA. No matter what way the people that cheerlead these things want to spin it, it is sexualisation of children. It's simply wrong on every level and I'm stunned that there hasn't been a bigger kickback against it the past few years.

victor8600

mzungu wrote: »

... But it sounds utterly putrid and not a million miles away from exploitation. I feel the same way about those child beauty pageants they are so fond of in the USA. No matter what way the people that cheerlead these things want to spin it, it is sexualisation of children.....

I agree with you a 100%. But would you say that child "beauty" pageants in the USA are organized by evil socialists who want to corrupt God-fearing children? Or are they organized by sex-crazed Christian cultists?

Or could it be that it has nothing to do with either and can be attributed to their parents' greed and lust for fame as you have rightfully pointed out?

DEFTLEFTHAND

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Why would that be? It's the turning point of the year, it has always been celebrated. Christianity came quite late to that particular party.

I left out the non Pagan part in my original post.

I was asking why a non pagan or non christian would celebrate the holiday.

Wibbs

Try_harder wrote: »

Drag is a jester not a sex worker

So you're fine with a nine year old child dolled up and prancing around in an adult and sexualised fashion in a nightclub in front of a baying crowd of adults handing them dollar bills like a stripper? That's OK for you? Right so.

victor8600 wrote: »

WTF does this have to do with the topic of this discussion?

believe it or not normal conversations often go off on new tangents around the general core of a topic.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Wibbs wrote: »

Like I said don't google if you value your temper control, but I dived in deep holding my nose for ye...

This child "performed" in a New York club, where adult men were handing him dollar bills as he pranced around and this event was publicised on social media, including the kids Instagram. That his parents and handlers and organisers were OK, even celebratory about all that is beyond fcuking degenerate and more than a bit concerning that is is in such plain sight.

Please tell me that Police have been made aware of the situation?

If I were that boy's father I'd be on those bastards like rust on a horse trough.

one world order

A lot of it has to do with how the world is controlled by Zionists at the top. The protocols of the elders of Zion gives an insight into their long term plans. Through their secret societies, control of the financial system, mainstream media, tv and music, their aim of corrupting society and moving us to a one world order is inevitable. The bible warns us of this and it is why those on the left hate it.

ohnonotgmail

one world order wrote: »

A lot of it has to do with how the world is controlled by Zionists at the top. The protocols of the elders of Zion gives an insight into their long term plans. Through their secret societies, control of the financial system, mainstream media, tv and music, their aim of corrupting society and moving us to a one world order is inevitable. The bible warns us of this and it is why those on the left hate it.

Oh do **** off.

Wibbs

one world order wrote: »

A lot of it has to do with how the world is controlled by Zionists at the top. The protocols of the elders of Zion gives an insight into their long term plans. Through their secret societies, control of the financial system, mainstream media, tv and music, their aim of corrupting society and moving us to a one world order is inevitable. The bible warns us of this and it is why those on the left hate it.

Oh god. "The Jews"? Really? Fuck me.

ohnonotgmail

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh god. "The Jews"? Really? Fuck me.

that doesn't go far enough.

Triceratops Ballet

mzungu wrote:

I don't know much about Ariana Grande or the Olsen twins, but Britney Spears has had a litany of personal problems which mostly stem from a life on stage. Look at Lindsay Lohan, or Macaulay Culkin and Gary Coleman for evidence of the same. Behind every washed up child star you will find money hungry parents either living out failed dreams through their kids, or have spotted an easy meal ticket. Having children to perform like some kind of circus animal for the gratification of adults is seriously damaging, I would be completely against it, no matter if its a boy or girl. I'm sure things are a bit better now (I hope) but that's only because the industry had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it. Washed up star after washed up star, scandal after scandal etc. It goes back even before Judy Garland, but its only recently that anything even slightly meaningful was done to do something about it. That in itself tells you the story.

mzungu wrote:

I don't know much about Ariana Grande or the Olsen twins, but Britney Spears has had a litany of personal problems which mostly stem from a life on stage. Look at Lindsay Lohan, or Macaulay Culkin and Gary Coleman for evidence of the same. Behind every washed up child star you will find money hungry parents either living out failed dreams through their kids, or have spotted an easy meal ticket. Having children to perform like some kind of circus animal for the gratification of adults is seriously damaging, I would be completely against it, no matter if its a boy or girl. I'm sure things are a bit better now (I hope) but that's only because the industry had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it. Washed up star after washed up star, scandal after scandal etc. It goes back even before Judy Garland, but its only recently that anything even slightly meaningful was done to do something about it. That in itself tells you the story.

I don't disagree, I think fame is a no no for kids. Drew Barrymore is another example though she seems "relatively" well adjusted now.
I disagree in principle with the performative nature of drag especially in clubs etc (I don't even like kids a weddings around drunk people) for the kid, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with him dressing up as a hobby and doing little shows for his family at the likes of Christmas or family gatherings, there's no reason he can't have an interest in it and I don't see that aspect of it as wrong or damaging, just the fame aspect.

one world order

Not all Jews are zionists, in fact a lot of Jews are against Zionism. One is about spirituality while the other is about control.

ohnonotgmail

one world order wrote: »

Not all Jews are zionists, in fact a lot of Jews are against Zionism. One is about spirituality while the other is about control.

go back to Stormfront.

Cienciano

one world order wrote: »

Not all Jews are zionists, in fact a lot of Jews are against Zionism. One is about spirituality while the other is about control.

I thought the far right decided to call jews "globalists" in order to not sound anti-semitic and not crazy. Seems "Zionists" is also a word used.

DS86DS

Cienciano wrote: »

I thought the far right decided to call jews "globalists" in order to not sound anti-semitic and not crazy. Seems "Zionists" is also a word used.

You are completely distorting a legitimate argument from the right. Macron and Merkel are globalists and not Jewish.

Zorya

Wibbs wrote: »

Like I said don't google if you value your temper control, but I dived in deep holding my nose for ye...

This child "performed" in a New York club, where adult men were handing him dollar bills as he pranced around and this event was publicised on social media, including the kids Instagram. That his parents and handlers and organisers were OK, even celebratory about all that is beyond fcuking degenerate and more than a bit concerning that is is in such plain sight.

I saw that video a couple of days ago. there is one circulating of the actual dancing by him on the stage in ''Club Whoa!''; the boy is wearing a crop top and doing those wiggly movements that one would associate with strippers dancing. He has a long blond wig on, huge eyelashes and very painted face.

I actually did not post it on boards because I expected that there would be the usual deluge of people saying ''Yeah, and what's the problem?''. Things have gone so far now. Utter degeneracy is being passed off as nothing, as free choice. It is not so long ago people would have recoiled in horror reading about the little boys in Afghanistan - the bacha bazi - who also dance for adult men. But now Desmond is Amazing has been on mainstream daytime TV as a symbol of a brave new frontier.

I sometimes don't even know how to express my disgust anymore at people's retarded carelessness.

Zorya

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuEMX6IUUAACHHO.jpg

Accepting tips in Club Whoa at 11 years old

bnt

Cienciano wrote: »

I thought the far right decided to call jews "globalists" in order to not sound anti-semitic and not crazy. Seems "Zionists" is also a word used.

I've also heard a lot of guff about George Soros recently, which is another thinly-disguised anti-semitic dog whistle.

GarIT

Zorya wrote: »

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuEMX6IUUAACHHO.jpg

Accepting tips in Club Whoa at 11 years old

That's no different to working as a pole/lap dancer. Absolutely sick, his parents are peadophiles

tomofson

one world order wrote: »

A lot of it has to do with how the world is controlled by Zionists at the top. The protocols of the elders of Zion gives an insight into their long term plans. Through their secret societies, control of the financial system, mainstream media, tv and music, their aim of corrupting society and moving us to a one world order is inevitable. The bible warns us of this and it is why those on the left hate it.

You are on the button with who is responsible, but you need to understand there are sacred cows in which you are not allowed to criticize under any circumstances ever.

Thats all I will say about that, people will refuse to admit they control america even when they openly admit and boast about controlling america on national television, thats all on that subject.

Will not be responding any further to this as it is a very dangerous topic, PM if you want.

victor8600

tomofson wrote: »

You are on the button with who is responsible, but you need to understand there are sacred cows in which you are not allowed to criticize under any circumstances ever.

Thats all I will say about that, people will refuse to admit they control america even when they openly admit and boast about controlling america on national television, thats all on that subject.

Hahaha, a shy conspiracy theorist. Boo! Look out of the window, the zionists are watching you

tomofson

victor8600 wrote: »

Hahaha, a shy conspiracy theorist. Boo! Look out of the window, the zionists are watching you

They watch everybody, cameras in every house at this stage, just like orwell predicted.

Zorya

GarIT wrote: »

That's no different to working as a pole/lap dancer. Absolutely sick, his parents are peadophiles

He has been at it a while. His parents have been pimping him out since he was about 6. Here he is twerking at 8 years old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcqYHKV6-1Y

Desmond has been on Good Morning America as ''trail-blazing'', the kid ''with the amaaaaazing story''.

Try_harder

Wibbs wrote: »

So you're fine with a nine year old child dolled up and prancing around in an adult and sexualised fashion in a nightclub in front of a baying crowd of adults handing them dollar bills like a stripper? That's OK for you? Right so.



believe it or not normal conversations often go off on new tangents around the general core of a topic.

What sexualised fashion?

tomofson

Zorya wrote: »

He has been at it a while. His parents have been pimping him out since he was about 6. Here he is twerking at 8 years old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcqYHKV6-1Y

Desmond has been on Good Morning America as ''trail-blazing'', the kid ''with the amaaaaazing story''.

Those pride marches should be banned across the planet, the levels of degeneracy you see at an average pride march should not be allowed happen in broad daylight on a busy public street.

You wouldn't even get most of it in a hardcore fetish club.

randd1

tomofson wrote: »

They watch everybody, cameras in every house at this stage, just like orwell predicted.

Forget tin foil hats, you need Magneto's helmet for the crazy in your head.

tomofson

randd1 wrote: »

Forget tin foil hats, you need Magneto's helmet for the crazy in your head.

Will not be responding any further, PM if anyone has a legitimate question.