No heating at home

jam_mac_jam

punisher5112 wrote: »

A boiler wouldn't be fitted now even if one had it.

Isn't it amazing that when one owns their house they have to wait or maybe can't even afford to replace.

One unfortunately has to make do.

My mum passed away and we had no heat at home for 2 years.
It wasn't ideal and we just had to live with it as that's as much as we could do.

6 days or 2 weeks it's going to be fixed so don't really understand the big issue.

They are lucky their ll is actually doing anything.

Lucky that their landlord is doing anything? Are you joking. Any decent landlord would do something (as the landlord is)
This isn't 1818 where you are lucky to have heating. It's a basic requirement. It is a big issue so maybe offer some helpful advice?

Black_Knight

lollsangel wrote: »

And what would you suggest?

Not jumping to conclusions that the op has all these alternative methods of heating/hot water.

lollsangel

AlphabetCards wrote: »

Some heartless people on this thread. Life is hard enough without landlords making tenants wait 6+ days for a boiler, over christmas.

I can tell you now, as someone who has had to actually live in these conditions for prolonged periods of time, it is relatively difficult to heat a house on open fires, portable radiators and kettle water without spending an absolute fortune.

No one is being heartless. With 2 sick ppl in the house the op needs to have some form heating. People are just giving alternatives whule waiting for the replacement. Frankly the op wanting to call the guards or saying lifes are at risk is absurd

Realistically the boiler will not be fixed this side of xmas, even if the ll had a new boiler in the yard tomorrow the chances of having it installed are slim and none.

We used an open fire and portable heaters in a house a few years back when we had a similar situation a few years ago...literally moved ourselves and the kiddies into the sitting room while waiting for it to be repaired. We however did have an electric shower and immersion.

GarIT

Aminah Delightful Stomach wrote: »

I don’t know what planet people are on if you think getting a boiler replaced in 3 to 5 days is in anyway realistic. You haven’t a hope of getting a plumber organized, him getting a boiler organized and getting it done any quicker than the space of a few weeks. Plumbers are mad busy and don’t really want these jobs at the moment.

Ordering it from Poland (while a bit mad) will likely make no difference to how long it takes. The boiler will be long arrived here before it’s fitted.

I guarantee you if you make a post on tradesman offering 5k to the first person that gets a boiler in you'd have it done in a day.

I do believe there was a case discussed here within the last few years where a tenant was suing their LL because it took more than 3 days to fix a heating issue.

mvl

Why would LL order a piece of equipment "from Poland" - are they in plumbing business, or have they agreed with someone in plumbing business what needs to be ordered for the house?


Does anyone know if a tenant might be entitled to reduced rent for the duration the house doesn't have heating ?

elperello

It's difficult for a tenant to face the unexpected cost of -

1- Solid fuel for the open fire.
2- Purchase and use of electric heaters for each room.
3- Use of kettle to boil water for washing etc.

This would apply at any time, in Christmas week it may be impossible.

The tenant pays the rent to the LL and is entitled to a comfortable house in return.

the_syco

ninjarambohd wrote: »

I keep telling my landlord order one from Ireland why Poland for god sake?? And no response.

I'm guessing that's where the plumber ordered it from. Or cost. Boilers aren't cheap.

If your landlord inspected the property, they could have been flagged it earlier. Because you stopped him from inspecting it, you have shot yourself in the foot regarding a complaint to RTB.

punisher5112

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Lucky that their landlord is doing anything? Are you joking. Any decent landlord would do something (as the landlord is)
This isn't 1818 where you are lucky to have heating. It's a basic requirement. It is a big issue so maybe offer some helpful advice?

I did offer some advice if you cared to look back and read what I said.

Be realistic there are bad tenants and bad ll.

I had to wait 8 months for them to actually send someone out to investigate why mushrooms and severe mould growth was so bad. I knew why and told them but they decided, well the builder(not really a builder) said we were drying clothes indoors.

This was absolute bull.... The windows were cracked, broken, not sitting in right, front door didn't even line up with the rest and the draughts were ridiculous.
The walls had no insulation at all and it was just pumped plaster on granite stone.

We took it in the summer when all was fairly ok but by God after 2 months we were all sick, clothes destroyed, shoes, passports and other important documents all beyond use.

We had the heat on near constant and had to open all the windows in the day.

I've never actually seen anything like it since and to be honest a barn would be healthier.

I already offered up advice.

They have a fire, they can get an electronic heater or fan to do a while, get a gas heater etc etc.

Fol20

Black_Knight wrote: »

Yup. I'd suggest trying to get the landlord to provide an electric radiator or 2 in the interim.

Genuine question, is the ll obligated to provide electric rads. Anytime its happened to my tenants, they used their own electric heaters knowing the boiler would be replaced.

Fol20

macnug wrote: »

Why would the landlord be trying to save money on a boiler, are repairs not tax deductible or only part?

They are however its deductable over 8 years. Likewise lets say a boiler costs 1k. It effect its a net cost of around 500e to the ll. Labour is the more expensive cost here so i wonder how much he would be saving.

Tbh coming up to xmas. It was doubtful you would get this replaced on this side of the nee year and your just unlucky with timing. Any good plumber will have a good few jobs lined up and can be hard to get a hold let alone around xmas. A boiler job would be min of a full 2 day commitment for a plumber as well

GarIT

Fol20 wrote: »

Genuine question, is the ll obligated to provide electric rads. Anytime its happened to my tenants, they used their electric heaters knowing the boiler would be replaced.

The landlord is required to provide a working heating system at all times. It doesn't matter if it is oil, gas, coal or electric. I don't believe there are any more specifics than that. A court would have to decide that one.

Steve

elperello wrote: »

It's difficult for a tenant to face the unexpected cost of -

1- Solid fuel for the open fire.
2- Purchase and use of electric heaters for each room.
3- Use of kettle to boil water for washing etc.

This would apply at any time, in Christmas week it may be impossible.

The tenant pays the rent to the LL and is entitled to a comfortable house in return.

Jesus wept, no wonder so many landlords are fleeing the market.

I really despair at the 'entitled' people in this country.

punisher5112

Fol20 wrote: »

They are however its deductable over 8 years. Likewise lets say a boiler costs 1k. It effect its a net cost of around 500e to the ll. Labour is the more expensive cost here so i wonder how much he would be saving.

Tbh coming up to xmas. It was doubtful you would get this replaced on this side of the nee year and your just unlucky with timing. Any good plumber will have a good few jobs lined up and can be hard to get a hold let alone around xmas. A boiler job would be min of a full 2 day commitment for a plumber as well

Boilers are lot more then that and honestly not all LL are business people or flush with cash.

Of course it's upsetting or just annoying but these things happen and we sometimes have to work around.

Fol20

GarIT wrote: »

I guarantee you if you make a post on tradesman offering 5k to the first person that gets a boiler in you'd have it done in a day.

I do believe there was a case discussed here within the last few years where a tenant was suing their LL because it took more than 3 days to fix a heating issue.

Gl winning a case when its only 3 days. I highly doubt the RTB would side woth the tenant here when the ll is organizing for it to be fixed, coupled with the fact that its xmas and everything will be shut down for the next 2 weeks anyway

Fol20

Leroy Brown wrote: »

I don't know how many heaters they would need but their next electricity bill will be huge, they should discuss that with the landlord as well, because if landlord can't fix it he has to cover any extra expenses for sure. That would be fair, it wasn't tenants fault and LL is responsible

Correct me if im wrong But i dont believe ll have to cover their cost of their electricity. In essence, they would have a form of heating similr to electric rads for a temporary period of time so would meet requirements

elperello

Steve wrote: »

Jesus wept, no wonder so many landlords are fleeing the market.

I really despair at the 'entitled' people in this country.

Yes being a landlord can be a hard old station but when push comes to shove you have obligations to the people who pay you rent.

GarIT

Fol20 wrote: »

Gl winning a case when its only 3 days. I highly doubt the RTB would side woth the tenant here when the ll is organizing for it to be fixed, coupled with the fact that its xmas and everything will be shut down for the next 2 weeks anyway

I've no idea how it went but I do think threshold were suggesting they would win. Threshold are often wrong though, criminal organisation as far as I'm concerned. I vaguely remember there answer being what I had said above, that there is no such thing as can't be done today, you can increase what your offer until it does get done today.

Fol20

GarIT wrote: »

The landlord is required to provide a working heating system at all times. It doesn't matter if it is oil, gas, coal or electric. I don't believe there are any more specifics than that. A court would have to decide that one.

As long as they are actioning thenissue in a timely mannor, it doesnt specify if they have to provide a temporary solution. Im still interested in this as im actually not a 100pc confident on it. Is there anything that confirma yay or nay on this. The main aspect is a temp fix when its being actioned

GarIT

Fol20 wrote: »

Correct me if im wrong But i dont believe ll have to cover their cost of their electricity. In essence, they would have a form of heating similr to electric rads for a temporary period of time so would meet requirements

I believe you are correct. It is an unfortunate unexpected cost for the tenant, and may be a significant enough change that they could break their lease over it (although the they can essentially do that anyway) but the landlord would not be responsible for the coasts of the electricity.

Fol20

punisher5112 wrote: »

Boilers are lot more then that and honestly not all LL are business people or flush with cash.

Of course it's upsetting or just annoying but these things happen and we sometimes have to work around.

Im not including labour and vat. You are able to get a boiler for that price.

Speaking from a ll point of view, your in the wrong business if you dont have a rainy day fund for big jobs like this. You should have at least 3-6months of expenses just prepped and ready to go as a backup. Dont get me wrong, id prefer not to be spending a few k however its part and parcel of the business. I know for some ll that are struggling, this could defenitely force them under some serious hardship however its never good to be just about balancing the books if nothing major is happening.

Fol20

GarIT wrote: »

I believe you are correct. It is an unfortunate unexpected cost for the tenant, and may be a significant enough change that they could break their lease over it (although the they can essentially do that anyway) but the landlord would not be responsible for the coasts of the electricity.

I wonder how the eu model works for boiler issues. Does the ll or tenant repair them i wonder

Probably not much use, OP, but I live in Drogheda. If you're anywhere nearby I can lend you two plug-in 2kw heaters for the time being (I'll want them back though :P ).

ninjarambohd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Probably not much use, OP, but I live in Drogheda. If you're anywhere nearby I can lend you two plug-in 2kw heaters for the time being (I'll want them back though :P ).

Ah thanks so much for the kindness. Unfortunately I'm all the in kildare but I highly appreciate it.

Graces7

ninjarambohd wrote: »

Ah thanks so much for the kindness. Unfortunately I'm all the in kildare but I highly appreciate it.

Hoping you get some real help with this.

Please call Threshold when they open as they will advise and support you in this. The landlord does have obligations

https://www.threshold.ie/advice/

They can also speak to the landlord on your behalf

Old diesel

the_syco wrote: »

I'm guessing that's where the plumber ordered it from. Or cost. Boilers aren't cheap.

If your landlord inspected the property, they could have been flagged it earlier. Because you stopped him from inspecting it, you have shot yourself in the foot regarding a complaint to RTB.

What if the boiler was working fine at the time the landlord wanted to inspect.

All a landlord can see during an inspection is

1) does the boiler basically work - makes the right noiseside, all correct lights come on - radiators heat up etc.

2) unless he has someone literally strip down the boiler - the inspection would not reveal whether a boiler will work well in 2 weeks time.

Terri26

punisher5112 wrote:

One unfortunately has to make do.

punisher5112 wrote:

Isn't it amazing that when one owns their house they have to wait or maybe can't even afford to replace.

The difference is when you are renting to someone you are providing a service for something and therefore have obligations and the tenant should not have to 'make do'. It's basically the main /only benefit when you are forced to rent as you can't afford to buy your own property. If you were renting something else and continuing to pay for that item and it wasn't fit for purpose you would have to do something.
The very least the LL should be doing is checking to see if the tenant has heaters and trying to help source some if not.

Wesser

I sincerely doubt any ones life is at risk anbd I feel you are exaggerating.
Can you not get some.plug in fan heaters?

ebbsy

And why is a boiler being ordered from Poland ?

Dakota Dan

aaakev wrote: »

Im guessing you are not from around here. In the hotpress there will be a switch, turn it on but whatever you do remember to turn it off or an Irish mammy will come round and kick your ass....

If the mammies back then only knew that it was cheaper to leave it on the whole time as it only uses electricity when water is drawn off. It was costing a way more to heat a full tank than keep it hot all the time.

Fol20

ebbsy wrote: »

And why is a boiler being ordered from Poland ?

More than likely cost or a similar unit to replace it so less parts and equipment to buy

Dakota Dan

AlphabetCards wrote: »

Some heartless people on this thread. Life is hard enough without landlords making tenants wait 6+ days for a boiler, over christmas.

I can tell you now, as someone who has had to actually live in these conditions for prolonged periods of time, it is relatively difficult to heat a house on open fires, portable radiators and kettle water without spending an absolute fortune.

You weren’t around back in the 70’s then?

Old diesel

ebbsy wrote: »

And why is a boiler being ordered from Poland ?

Exactly.

No matter how right or fair the landlords response - that alone gives a tenant an impression of a lack of urgency to what the tenant considers a significant issue.

I don't know anyone whose immediate thought on needing a new boiler is to order up from Poland.

Even for things like backup if it goes wrong it would seem sensible to buy through an Irish supplier

_Brian

I’m a landlord and no way should the tenants be treated like this.

I’d be straight onto the landlord to provide some alternative heating be that electric heaters or whatever.

Oil filled rads are great electric heaters as most have thermostat you can set a temp and it will safely maintain it.

judeboy101

ninjarambohd wrote: »

I do yes but that's not a fix because I got no freaking hot water

Most people grew up in the country back in the day, with no central heating and no running hot water, we survived.

lawred2

ninjarambohd wrote: »

Hi all. Since Monday my boiler has broken down and I emailed the agent whom sent down a plumber. The guy said that this boiler is way too old and it's obsolete so he called the landlord right there and she said that she will get it fixed asap.

So apparent she ordered one from Poland and it's not going to be available till after Christmas possibly new year. Now my mom is sick so is my younger brother who has just had a surgery.

I keep telling my landlord order one from Ireland why Poland for god sake?? And no response.

I was wondering can I go to the Gardai about this because she doesn't seem to give a damn.

why would the guards give a toss?

lawred2

ninjarambohd wrote: »

The house was built about 17 years ago. I kept telling my landlord to install a switch for it but to this date he hasn't done anything

ask the landlord how to switch on the immersion...

be quicker than a thread on boards wouldn't it?

cruizer101

judeboy101 wrote: »

Most people grew up in the country back in the day, with no central heating and no running hot water, we survived.

Fair play to them but the fact is today LL's have an obligation to have working heating and hot water supply. And they should be doing their utmost to resolve the situation. Ordering a new boiler from Poland is not that.

lawred2 wrote: »

ask the landlord how to switch on the immersion...

be quicker than a thread on boards wouldn't it?

There is no immersion, there is a hot water tank with no heating immersion.

On that though, I would try suggest to LL that they install one, you can see the place where it goes on the tank. Would potentially be quicker that getting a new boiler and that and an electric rad or two would tide you over until teh new boiler gets installed.

judeboy101

cruizer101 wrote: »

Fair play to them but the fact is today LL's have an obligation to have working heating and hot water supply. And they should be doing their utmost to resolve the situation. Ordering a new boiler from Poland is not that.



There is no immersion, there is a hot water tank with no heating immersion.

On that though, I would try suggest to LL that they install one, you can see the place where it goes on the tank. Would potentially be quicker that getting a new boiler and that and an electric rad or two would tide you over until teh new boiler gets installed.

Are LL obliged to provide hot running water?

lawred2

judeboy101 wrote: »

Are LL obliged to provide hot running water?

the facility for it at least

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/repairs_maintenance_and_minimum_physical_standards.html

BohsCeltic

ninjarambohd wrote: »

Ah thanks so much for the kindness. Unfortunately I'm all the in kildare but I highly appreciate it.

If you can make your way to Blanchardstown i can lend you two electric radiators.

Old diesel

judeboy101 wrote: »

Most people grew up in the country back in the day, with no central heating and no running hot water, we survived.

I learned to drive in a 1980s Nissan with no airbags, no ABS and it had a carbarettor.

I survived - but guess what - airbags, ABS, electronic fuel injection are all great things to have.

Life moves on and what was okay 30 years ago isn't today.

Property suppliers need to evolve to meet a market where fewer people grow up with open fires

lawred2

judeboy101 wrote: »

Most people grew up in the country back in the day, with no central heating and no running hot water, we survived.

And sure didn't we all live in caves as well

Irishcrx

Calm lads...calm.

OP it's not an ideal situation for sure and it's stressful when thing's like this happen particularly around this time of the year and when it's cold, nobodies life in under threat so try and maintain some composure and get priorities in a row , the boiler is done for and a new one has been ordered - yes it could be done quicker but the landlord has the right to choose his supplier and he's chosen to go for a boiler from Poland, I'm not sure why as surely he could have got one cheaper in Ireland and opt for tax back on the home renovation scheme but don't worry about that it's his decision and it'll be sorted when it arrives , your concern is what to do in the meantime.

I'd call the landlord , thank him for ordering the boiler and ask can we come to an arrangement in the interim as you need to keep some heat in the house for your family and also to prevent damage to his property from possible mould growth or freezing rooms, as such you propose you'll need to buy some stuff.

* Fuel for the open fire additional logs , coal etc
* A gas fired mobile heater for one or two of the bedrooms with gas bottles
* Some electric blankets or heavy blankets
* Electric heaters

Obviously one or two of the above would be good options and get you over the hump , ask if he would assist in the payment for thw above , meet you half way or give some rent reduction due to the inconvenience..

Don't just jump off the handle , you'd be amazed what you can do when you communicate with people calmly and with a clear head.

Nemeses2050

Lidl have these for sale for E 17, this might help

goat2

lawred2 wrote: »

And sure didn't we all live in caves as well

I am one of those that lived in a house without central heating, just a fire in sitting room,
But a good fire kept on from morning to night would warm up the place,

Graces7

goat2 wrote: »

I am one of those that lived in a house without central heating, just a fire in sitting room,
But a good fire kept on from morning to night would warm up the place,

That is not really the point here though.

Idbatterim

I have seen multiple adverts recently for new combi boilers supply and install for E1600-1800 including a power flush... Look, we dont know the LL circumstances, but he'd want to be fairly broke or just very stingy to have a tenant ****ed over like that...

Also I dont just buy this typical Irish "its a few years old, its ****e, f*ck it out" bull****. Its very convenient that this is probably the far more economically advantageous and easier option for the plumber...

Askthe EA

Idbatterim wrote: »

I have seen multiple adverts recently for new combi boilers supply and install for E1600-1800 including a power flush... Look, we dont know the LL circumstances, but he'd want to be fairly broke or just very stingy to have a tenant ****ed over like that...

Thats 1600 - 1800 after SEAI grant. Thats also for the smallest possible boiler running few rads. Most landlords are looking more at €2500

OP, I'm replacing my own boiler at the moment. We had to wait 7 days for a slot.

punisher5112

Graces7 wrote: »

That is not really the point here though.

But the op has a fire place so could easily use this for the moment.

Effects

Dakota Dan wrote: »

If the mammies back then only knew that it was cheaper to leave it on the whole time as it only uses electricity when water is drawn off. It was costing a way more to heat a full tank than keep it hot all the time.

Except that's not actually true.