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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    I read Mr. Thunder's Irish Times article back in August. Five minutes of my life I'll never get back.

    A lazy, lazy article filled with typical right-wing cliches, which amounted to nothing more than a whinge that a majority of people don't think like him.

    No analysis of why his worldview has fallen in popularity to such an extent, no solutions for how "conservatism" should evolve or adapt to the modern world, nothing to back up his thesis that "conservatives" are being "silenced", just a whinge.

    And that's the right's problem, not just the bat**** crazy, toxic far right but the more bog standard shade of plain old "conservatism". Everything with them is a whinge. They have no positive worldview, only a deeply negative one, and no constructive ideas for society. Turning the clock back 60 or 100 years, as so many of them would love to do, isn't a solution. Their only strategy is to blame others.

    Even the moderate wing of the Tories such as Ken Clarke and Anna Soubry have now seen through the complete intellectual void that is at the heart of modern "conservatism" (which is an oxymoron).

    Plenty of clichés in the above post.

    How do you know most don't share doctor thunders view?

    Not like we have a representative media in Ireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    batgoat wrote: »
    ......he holds incredibly racist views.
    Even the defense of your inconsistencies has inconsistencies.
    And then you use the racism claim.

    I find that one cannot have a rational discussion with someone who keep using words like racism, far right, alt right, right wing etc. as part of their counterargument. It usually just shows the lack of intellect in a topic.
    The good news is that there is an ignore list, and you are its newest member.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Even the defense of your inconsistencies has inconsistencies.
    And then you use the racism claim.

    I find that one cannot have a rational discussion with someone who keep using words like racism, far right, alt right, right wing etc. as part of their counterargument. It usually just shows the lack of intellect in a topic.
    The good news is that there is an ignore list, and you are its newest member.

    I am completely saddened.... :D


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Every single survey of best and worst countries for quality of life, corruption, tolerance of minorities, crime etc routinely has the same countries at the top and the same ones at the bottom.

    I would be more than happy to take Danes or Swiss people into Ireland, I feel we could learn and benefit from them. African countries? Not so much. Why are those countries failing? Importing the cultural values and customs that underpins sh*thole countries can only harm Ireland. It really isn't difficult.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Plenty of clichés in the above post.

    How do you know most don't share doctor thunders view?

    Not like we have a representative media in Ireland
    No, just home truths.

    I'd say the 2015 same sex marriage referendum and the 2018 referendum on the 8th Amendment are pretty indisputable proof that the majority don't share his views.

    As is pretty much every election in Ireland for yonks.

    "Conservatives" have a massive platform in the Irish media.

    It's nobody else's fault except their own that their "arguments" are so transparently disingenuous, turgid and/or boorish that they just serve to push people well away from their views.

    None of them seem to know what it is they're complaining about, or if they know, they have a total inability to be honest about what it is they're complaining about.

    However there have a few high profile Irish "conservative" voices who have strayed into honesty.

    Kevin Myers strayed into honesty when he called single mothers "mothers of bastards" and then resorted to anti-semitic stereotypes.

    John Waters strayed into honesty when he engaged in rampant homophobic abuse and basically called for a Catholic theocracy.

    George Hook strayed into honesty when he implied there was no such thing as marital rape and then blamed a rape victim for her own rape on air.

    Gemma O'Doherty has recently strayed into honesty. She also outed herself as a reving anti-semite, an anti-vax crank, and a borderline neo-Nazi in the process.

    These four "conservative voices" strayed into honesty. And they're telling cases about why most conservatives are so frequently dishonest in their "arguments".

    It's because when "conservatives" are honest, their views turn out to be utterly abhorrent and toxic, and ones which any reasonable person wouldn't touch with a 40 foot pole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,157 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    I thought this was a wind up till I saw the op account is 10 years old.

    Who exactly told you that these men are uneducated?

    You do realise that we will need hundreds of thousands of emigrants to pay my pension in the next 20 years?

    Are you suggesting that these emigrants Need to be white chatholics? I'll be very honest here, I've paid into the Irish tax system since I left school in 1982 aged 14. I have helped bail the country out twice now. I help pay the pension of the richest OAPS Ireland has ever known. I could care less if the taxpayers supporting me in my retirement are Muslim, Catholic or from Mars. So long as they pay tax & I get my state pension after 54 years working I don't care if I hear the call to prayer twice a day from O Connell Street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,157 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    To use a modern turn of phrase, lol.

    Not a modern term at all. Went out of fashion over 10 years ago but hey, who am I to criticise :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    Once the barbarians came from north of the Rhine to the shores of the the Mare Nostrum, today they come across it to get north of the Rhine. History is a whole load of swings and roundabouts, but the outcome will still be disastrous in the long run.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Listen to doctor David thunder ( cool name) who is an Irish academic based in Spain, he writes and occasionally appears on "the right side" podcast.

    His thesis is that transporting Africans etc to Ireland is a flawed policy and that it does nothing to tackle the problems in those nations either, he believes we in the west must help developing countries but that the current policy is about dealing with the demographic decline of Western Europe, he also writes about how the echo chamber Irish media cannot fathom the idea that immigration could be anything but a positive, that being pro immigration is an article of faith for Irish liberals and how unconditional belief in any policy is highly dangerous

    I pointed out why its dangerous in my previous post. The Continent of Africa is 10x the size of Europe [including Ireland and the UK] Importing them in with no standards or limits will cripple if not outright destroy our economies.

    We've been helping 3rd World Countries for Decades [via tax dollars and charity money] and they're still 3rd World Countries. Maybe its time to close the check books and let them stand on their own. "I'll just go to America or Europe" should no longer be an option.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It seems like there's a trend developing for borderline racist threads in after hours at the moment.

    Makes you miss the usual dole & traveller bashing threads.

    I hadn't noticed that they had stopped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Very telling what Minister Stanton said about the rate of Refugee applications rising significantly. Being RTÉ this was glossed over, naturally.
    If our system is so bad and harsh why are the rates rising? Granted there’s a lot of upheaval in the world but I have a fair inclination to believe we are seeing more and more economic migrants coming under the refugee guise.
    The fact we accept “refugees” from South Africa of all places severely undermines the integrity of the system and process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    No, just home truths.

    I'd say the 2015 same sex marriage referendum and the 2018 referendum on the 8th Amendment are pretty indisputable proof that the majority don't share his views.

    As is pretty much every election in Ireland for yonks.

    "Conservatives" have a massive platform in the Irish media.

    It's nobody else's fault except their own that their "arguments" are so transparently disingenuous, turgid and/or boorish that they just serve to push people well away from their views.

    None of them seem to know what it is they're complaining about, or if they know, they have a total inability to be honest about what it is they're complaining about.

    However there have a few high profile Irish "conservative" voices who have strayed into honesty.

    Kevin Myers strayed into honesty when he called single mothers "mothers of bastards" and then resorted to anti-semitic stereotypes.

    John Waters strayed into honesty when he engaged in rampant homophobic abuse and basically called for a Catholic theocracy.

    George Hook strayed into honesty when he implied there was no such thing as marital rape and then blamed a rape victim for her own rape on air.

    Gemma O'Doherty has recently strayed into honesty. She also outed herself as a reving anti-semite, an anti-vax crank, and a borderline neo-Nazi in the process.

    These four "conservative voices" strayed into honesty. And they're telling cases about why most conservatives are so frequently dishonest in their "arguments".

    It's because when "conservatives" are honest, their views turn out to be utterly abhorrent and toxic, and ones which any reasonable person wouldn't touch with a 40 foot pole.

    "Conservatives have a massive platform in the Irish media"

    FFS, bolsheveiks have a bigger platform despite PBP on about 2%


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    I would love to know where Conservatives have such a much platform in irish Media. RTE is nothing but Champagne Socialists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Mad_maxx wrote: »

    "Conservatives have a massive platform in the Irish media"

    FFS, bolsheveiks have a bigger platform despite PBP on about 2%

    Ireland has a very weak right wing press. We are bombarded nightly with “homeless” sob stories and fussy feel good refugee stories. No one ever ever asks where the funding comes from (ie hardworking taxpayers pay packets) to pay for and support the endless steam of bleedin hearts and their followers. Rationale and right has been drowned out completely, if you dare question the cosy concenus you’re either racist or evil.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    The tonight show on tv3 tends to have right wingers on all the time.... The reality is they're invariably morons. There's a reason Renua polls between 0 and 1%.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    batgoat wrote: »
    The tonight show on tv3 tends to have right wingers on all the time.... The reality is they're invariably morons. There's a reason Renua polls between 0 and 1%.

    Either matt Cooper shouts them down or colette browne (on the panel) is let step in as a third presenter and calls them racist, the same hack recently made the astonishing rebuke to Kevin sharkey

    "there is no evidence of any African gangs causing problems in West Dublin"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    batgoat wrote: »
    The tonight show on tv3 tends to have right wingers on all the time.... The reality is they're invariably morons. There's a reason Renua polls between 0 and 1%.

    We don’t have a proper right. I mean fiscally conservative right- the “right” we have ate invariably religious whack jobs and fruit loops. PDs were probably closest to what you could call a proper right but look what happened them. FG have a strong economic right but certainly drowned by Leo and his populist agenda at the moment


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »

    "Conservatives have a massive platform in the Irish media"

    FFS, bolsheveiks have a bigger platform despite PBP on about 2%
    Sure all you far right extremists claim to never watch or read the "mainstream media", so how on earth would you know? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


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    road_high wrote: »
    We don’t have a proper right. I mean fiscally conservative right- the “right” we have ate invariably religious whack jobs and fruit loops. PDs were probably closest to what you could call a proper right but look what happened them. FG have a strong economic right but certainly drowned by Leo and his populist agenda at the moment
    Look what happened to them?

    They collapsed due to lack of support.

    The same reason Renua never got off the ground.

    There is no appetite for an economically far right party like that in Ireland.

    It's unlikely to happen either because there's a very high crossover between those who have far right-wing views in economic terms and "religious whack jobs and fruit loops", as you put it. Renua is proof of that.

    And "libertarianism" has never been much of thing outside of internet forums.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    amcalester wrote: »
    What the **** is a wall going to do? We’re on an island ffs.

    It is after hours after all. Clearly I know we’re an island and thank god for that. Probably one of the reasons Dublin has avoided the ghettoes that plague cities in France and the U.K. and now Germany. So far.

    The wall I am referring to is our administrative one ie our immigration and asylum policy. We have built a lovely little country here over the past 100 years. Let’s not ruin it by letting in hordes of Muslims and Africans who have no education and don’t share our culture and values but will certainly have no problem banging out 6-12 kids courtesy of our welfare state. A good idea would be what the Brits are trying to do now. Albeit when you visit Luton or Coventry the phrase bolting the stable door comes to mind!! Basically their view is sure you can get a visa if you have a job that pays 30k. This allows us to get the educated migrants and forget the rest. Why is every debate in our cowardly media framed that it is somehow Ireland problem to feed educate and clothe potentially hundreds of millions of african men. No mention of the fact we can’t afford to educate and house our own people!! I didn’t sign up for that and my kids didn’t sign up for that either. If the do gooders and champagne socialists want to help them out let them feck off to Africa and do it. Leave our country out of it.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    [PHP][/PHP]
    And "libertarianism" has never been much of thing outside of internet forums.
    Thank Christ.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    Sure all you far right extremists claim to never watch or read the "mainstream media", so how on earth would you know? :D

    Anyone who uses the term "far right" to describe anyone involved in politics in Ireland is dumber than a bag of hair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Sciprio


    We need to be careful on who is coming into this country. Genuine cases are fine but we shouldn't be open to any and everything.


    Special Forces retake cargo ship after migrants threaten staff (UK)

    https://news.sky.com/story/special-forces-storm-cargo-ship-after-migrants-threatened-staff-11588563


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Anyone who uses the term "far right" to describe anyone involved in politics in Ireland is dumber than a bag of hair.
    Paul Mason estimates that in any country, at least 10% of the population are simply "fascist bastards".

    Peter Casey blatantly played from the far right playbook in the presidential election and got 23% on a very low turnout. Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is bona fide far right - it's no different in principle to what happened in 1930s Germany.

    There is a latent far right tendency in Ireland but it has so far been kept pretty much under wraps in party politics.

    We thankfully don't have much of a far right presence in everyday politics because i) normal, reasonable Irish people reject far right politics and ii) the type of people who are far right by nature tend to be of very low calibre - poor speakers, utterly incompetent and useless, have terrible policies, and thus make terrible politicians.

    What Ireland certainly does have is a vocal and far outsized far right presence on internet forums and the likes.

    I'd venture that the vast majority of far right cranks are constantly polluting forums like this and others in an effort to portray their views as more common than they actually are in real life, i) in an effort to gain electoral popularity and ii) because they have nothing better to do, most of them being unhappy single males who have never had sex and have pretty much no hope of ever doing so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Kivaro wrote: »
    batgoat wrote: »
    ......he holds incredibly racist views.
    Even the defense of your inconsistencies has inconsistencies.
    And then you use the racism claim.

    I find that one cannot have a rational discussion with someone who keep using words like racism, far right, alt right, right wing etc. as part of their counterargument. It usually just shows the lack of intellect in a topic.
    The good news is that there is an ignore list, and you are its newest member.
    John is an out and out racist. Who's opinions are akin with those of bat **** Muslim extremist preachers.

    Here's a tip. Don't be John.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    Paul Mason estimates that in any country, at least 10% of the population are simply "fascist bastards".

    Peter Casey blatantly played from the far right playbook in the presidential election and got 23% on a very low turnout. Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is bona fide far right - it's no different in principle to what happened in 1930s Germany.

    There is a latent far right tendency in Ireland but it has so far been kept pretty much under wraps in party politics.

    We thankfully don't have much of a far right presence in everyday politics because i) normal, reasonable Irish people reject far right politics and ii) the type of people who are far right by nature tend to be of very low calibre - poor speakers, utterly incompetent and useless, have terrible policies, and thus make terrible politicians.

    What Ireland certainly does have is a vocal and far outsized far right presence on internet forums and the likes.

    I'd venture that the vast majority of far right cranks are constantly polluting forums like this and others in an effort to portray their views as more common than they actually are in real life, i) in an effort to gain electoral popularity and ii) because they have nothing better to do, most of them being unhappy single males who have never had sex and have pretty much no hope of ever doing so.

    Sort of like those creeps that hang around the twitter accounts of Louise O’Neill and her ilk, apologising for being men and promising to fight the patriarchy in a desperate bid for acceptance from the opposite sex?

    It’s almost like both sides are similar or something...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    Paul Mason estimates that in any country, at least 10% of the population are simply "fascist bastards".

    Peter Casey blatantly played from the far right playbook in the presidential election and got 23% on a very low turnout. Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is bona fide far right - it's no different in principle to what happened in 1930s Germany.

    There is a latent far right tendency in Ireland but it has so far been kept pretty much under wraps in party politics.

    We thankfully don't have much of a far right presence in everyday politics because i) normal, reasonable Irish people reject far right politics and ii) the type of people who are far right by nature tend to be of very low calibre - poor speakers, utterly incompetent and useless, have terrible policies, and thus make terrible politicians.

    What Ireland certainly does have is a vocal and far outsized far right presence on internet forums and the likes.

    I'd venture that the vast majority of far right cranks are constantly polluting forums like this and others in an effort to portray their views as more common than they actually are in real life, i) in an effort to gain electoral popularity and ii) because they have nothing better to do, most of them being unhappy single males who have never had sex and have pretty much no hope of ever doing so.

    Are you saying Peter casey is "far right"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Are you saying Peter casey is "far right"?
    Lads, any chance of not quoting him.
    I have him on ignore and don't want to see the usual "far right" spiel if anybody disagrees with his warped view of life. When he gets older and gets a job, a real job, he will see the light. And that light will get brighter in correlation with the amount of taxes siphoned from his wage packet.

    I see that he exhibited psychological projection on his last post when he brought sex into the discussion. Something I see a lot with these types of posters. Sad really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Lads, any chance of not quoting him.
    I have him on ignore and don't want to see the usual "far right" spiel if anybody disagrees with his warped view of life. When he gets older and gets a job, a real job, he will see the light. And that light will get brighter in correlation with the amount of taxes siphoned from his wage packet.

    I see that he exhibited psychological projection on his last post when he brought sex into the discussion. Something I see a lot with these types of posters. Sad really.

    Peter casey asked what much of the population also wondered.

    Why perfectly good houses were being turned down, he struck a blow for those the left wing media despise, the middle Ireland tax payer.

    If that makes someone far right, I'm fine being called the same


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    We already have ghettos. You may not see them as that because they don't mainly contain black people.
    We need to suck at the EU teat because that's where we get money.
    Leo, etc. are the reason we are not self sustaining, of course they won't question anything they are told to do by the EU.

    So what's the next option? Burn down anything zoned for immigrant housing? Spout utter sh*te about Luciferian worshipping Zionist controllers?

    We are a net contributor to the EU now. We give them more money than they give us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    We are a net contributor to the EU now. We give them more money than they give us.

    Haven’t been for some time either. But it’s fine as the main economic benefits aren’t so easily quantifiable as counting grant aid- the benefit for us is free market access and all the benefits that brings


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Are you saying Peter casey is "far right"?

    If you campaign on a nakedly far right platform, yes, you're absolutely far right.

    Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is automatically far right. It's textbook far right.

    That applies to 1930s Germany, 1960s Alabama, Australia at least up to the 1960s, 1990s Yugoslavia, 1990s Rwanda, 2000s Iraq and 2010s Ireland.

    Casey campaigned on a nakedly far right platform, thus is far right.

    It's pretty easy to understand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Peter casey asked what much of the population also wondered.

    Why perfectly good houses were being turned down, he struck a blow for those the left wing media despise, the middle Ireland tax payer.

    If that makes someone far right, I'm fine being called the same

    I think that was pretty obvious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    If you campaign on a nakedly far right platform, yes, you're absolutely far right.

    Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is automatically far right. It's textbook far right.

    That applies to 1930s Germany, 1960s Alabama, Australia at least up to the 1960s, 1990s Yugoslavia, 1990s Rwanda, 2000s Iraq and 2010s Ireland.

    Casey campaigned on a nakedly far right platform, thus is far right.

    It's pretty easy to understand.

    So it's more serious if you criticise a group with ethnic status?

    Does that mean if he had said the same in 2011 during that presidential election, he could not be classed as "far right", afterall travellers did not have ethnic minority status in 2011.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    So it's more serious if you criticise a group with ethnic status?

    Does that mean if he had said the same in 2011 during that presidential election, he could not be classed as "far right", afterall travellers did not have ethnic minority status in 2011.

    It’s not ethnic status- it’s a concept dreamed up to make the usual do gooders feel all warm and fussy inside. Travellers are merely the conduit for their latest backslapping exercise


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    road_high wrote: »
    It’s not ethnic status- it’s a concept dreamed up to make the usual do gooders feel all warm and fussy inside. Travellers are merely the conduit for their latest backslapping exercise
    You're arguing against reality here.

    Travellers are specifically an ethnic group and it's recognised in law.

    But sure I wouldn't expect anything else from a far right numbnut than to argue against reality.

    Arguing against reality is what your whole worldview is based on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Embarrassing stuff here :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    So it's more serious if you criticise a group with ethnic status?

    Does that mean if he had said the same in 2011 during that presidential election, he could not be classed as "far right", afterall travellers did not have ethnic minority status in 2011.
    Vilifying any distinct group in society is far right.

    Gay people, for instance, don't have ethnic status.

    Generalised vilification of gay people is also textbook far right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    Vilifying any distinct group in society is far right.

    Gay people, for instance, don't have ethnic status.

    Generalised vilification of gay people is also textbook far right.

    So if a gay rights, pro-abortion, pro-immigration activist held the same views as Peter Casey on travellers... they’re far right?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    Vilifying any distinct group in society is far right.

    Gay people, for instance, don't have ethnic status.

    Generalised vilification of gay people is also textbook far right.

    What about people who otherwise are all in favour of marriage equality, abortion etc but who cannot stand travellers.

    Are those people "far right"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    Vilifying any distinct group in society is far right.

    Gay people, for instance, don't have ethnic status.

    Generalised vilification of gay people is also textbook far right.

    What about Russians?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    What about Russians?

    What about the far right? Does vilifying the far right mean you become them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    What about the far right? Does vilifying the far right mean you become them?

    What about catholics. A distinct group in society. (I’m not one btw). Or country folk who voted for Casey. (I voted for Higgins).

    I seem to recall some major hostility to Hungarians and Poles too.

    There’s quite a few people this guy vilifies.

    I report most of his posts. His seems protected though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    So if a gay rights, pro-abortion, pro-immigration activist held the same views as Peter Casey on travellers... they’re far right?
    Absolutely, they would be on that issue.

    People who vilify ethnic groups or vilify any distinct grouping in society on the basis of their sexuality, colour, gender etc., ie. on the basis of a distinct characteristic or ethnicity or race, are by definition far right.

    It's not difficult to understand, is it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    What about Russians?

    What do you think?

    Generalised vilification of Russians is as abhorrent as any other generalised vilification based on a person's nationality or ethnicity or colour or sexuality or gender etc.

    But of course you're deliberately confusing that, for your own nefarious ends, with extreme dislike of the fascist, authoritarian Russian regime of Putin, because you're a pro-Russian regime troll.

    I'd have thought any reasonable person would have an extreme dislike for a kleptocratic, murderous thug like Putin and his cronies.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    Well put. It just goes to show how out-of-touch our spineless and useless State-run media are with the people of Ireland and their daily lives

    It's about time that these clowns were privatised and earned their wage on what viewers think, and not by some State imposed taxation that people are threatened with time behind bars if they don't pay.

    Bar some sporting events, what good television do these useless public sector clowns produce?

    Let them talk all the sh!te they want. So long as they are living off of privatised advertising like every other TV station. Nobody should be forced to fund a useless State-run outlet with a clear agenda.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    What do you think?

    Generalised vilification of Russians is as abhorrent as any other generalised vilification based on a person's nationality or colour or sexuality or gender etc.

    But of course you're deliberately confusing that, for your own nefarious ends, with extreme dislike of the fascist, authoritarian Russian regime of Putin, because you're a pro-Russian regime troll.

    Another reported personal attack. Let’s see what happens.

    I don’t think I’ve really ever mentioned the Russian regime. Or anything internal to that regime. Whenever I ask for examples you disappear.

    Contrary to this you in fact accuse people you dislike of being Russians. Not just pro regime. The implication being that Russians are a “nefarious”’actors in themselves.

    Also accusing everybody you dislike of being Russian stooges is not just a neo-McCarthyism but not much more than an ad hominem. There’s no arguments but generalise ad hominens in your posts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Another reported personal attack. Let’s see what happens.

    I don’t think I’ve really ever mentioned the Russian regime. Or anything internal to that regime. Whenever I ask for examples you disappear.

    Contrary to this you in fact accuse people you dislike of being Russians. Not just pro regime. The implication being that Russians are a “nefarious”’actors in themselves.

    Also accusing everybody you dislike of being Russian stooges is not just a neo-McCarthyism but not much more than an ad hominem.
    Report away.

    The personal attacks on me on this forum have been coming left, right and centre, because I'm telling home truths that people like you hate.

    What's your view on the Russian invasions of Ukraine and Georgia?

    What's your view on widespread Russian interference in the elections of other countries?

    Do you think Putin is a kleptocrat?

    What's your view on the Salisbury poisoning?

    What's your view of what Russia has done in Syria?

    What's your view on the extra-judicial executions of Russian journalists, politicians, businesspeople etc. which have happened regularly. Who do you think is responsible?

    What's your view on the Holomodor? Do you consider it a genocide?

    What's your view on how the Soviet Army stood back and let the the people of the Warsaw Ghetto be slaughtered by the Nazis?

    Why do you deliberately confuse extreme dislike of the actions of the Russian regime/s, with anti-Russian bigotry?

    Do you also deliberately confuse dislike for the US government with anti-American bigotry?

    Do you deliberately confuse dislike for the history of British imperialism, the actions of the British Army in Ireland and the ridiculous carry on of the hard Brexiteers, with generalised anti-British bigotry?

    Do you confuse hatred of Naziism with anti-German bigotry?

    Or do you only do this in relation to the Russian regime?

    It would be interesting to get your view on these questions, if, as you claim, you're not a pro-Russian regime troll.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Kivaro wrote: »
    And I call bullshoite on your bull****.
    Asylum Seekers in Direct Provision can work under new regulations that kicked in late June/early July 2018. And those who work are expected to pay a contribution towards their accommodation in the direct provision system.

    Don't expect your bullshoite to go unchallenged.

    On a more positive note,is'nt it great to see our little State more than holding it's own in the EU Immigration statistics...

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics

    With a little more effort,and everybody getting behind the Government,we can overtake Luxembourg !!!


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    Report away.

    The personal attacks on me on this forum have been coming left, right and centre, because I'm telling home truths that people like you hate.

    What's your view on the Russian invasions of Ukraine and Georgia?

    What's your view on widespread Russian interference in the elections of other countries?

    Do you think Putin is a kleptocrat?

    What's your view on the Salisbury poisoning?

    What's your view of what Russia has done in Syria?

    What's your view on the extra-judicial executions of Russian journalists, politicians, businesspeople etc. which have happened regularly. Who do you think is responsible?

    What's your view on the Holomodor? Do you consider it a genocide?

    What's your view on how the Soviet Army stood back and let the the people of the Warsaw Ghetto be slaughtered by the Nazis?

    Why do you deliberately confuse extreme dislike of the actions of the Russian regime/s, with anti-Russian bigotry?

    Do you also deliberately confuse dislike for the US government with anti-American bigotry?

    Do you deliberately confuse dislike for the history of British imperialism, the actions of the British Army in Ireland and the ridiculous carry on of the hard Brexiteers, with generalised anti-British bigotry?

    Do you confuse hatred of Naziism with anti-German bigotry?

    Or do you only do this in relation to the Russian regime?

    It would be interesting to get your view on these questions, if, as you claim, you're not a pro-Russian regime troll.

    Is Putin a member of his local Rotary Club?

    Is Putin's favourite colour purple?

    Was that Putin I saw in SuperValu earlier?

    Is Putin planning on poisoning my puppy?

    Did Putin read this newspaper this morning?

    Does Putin like tea or coffee?

    Was that Putin I saw earlier walking past the Four Courts on the news?

    Was that definetly Putin in the local SuperValu earlier, will CCTV footage provide the evidence?

    Did Putin send his grandmother a tin of biscuits, and it so....... why?

    Did Putin visit the moon, and if so ..... why?

    The telly has s bad reception.... could this be the work of Putin?

    Has Putin ever been to New Zealand, and if not.........why?

    Does Putin know about a secret spacecraft that landed in Siberia from the planet Jupiter?

    Does Putin have anything to gain from the elections in Liechtenstein?

    Does Putin like flowers, and if so...... why?

    Was that Putin in Dunnes Stores earlier ..




    Questions that need answering


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