Kevin Spacey...WTF?!

CatFromHue

Mint Sauce wrote: »

I thought Spacy was a great actor, long before HoC, and even his performances in that was top notch. Yes S6 is crap without him, but based on current allegations, I could not bring my self to watch him in it, or any of his films again to date.

What about Seven?

Avatar MIA

eagle eye wrote: »

He would never be left alone in school. If I heard that he was left alone with a teacher there would be problems for that teacher.

You can almost be certain he would be alone with an adult at some stage. You might need to consider home schooling.

Predators can be very skilful at gaining trust, as well as a lot being family members. If your friend had so many allegations against them from separate sources and you still trusted them then, well, I suppose that's why we have social services.

Mrsmum

I think it would be a strange parent that would put their sense of justice for another adult before the safety and protection of their own child. To be wrong about the latter would be a far bigger disaster than to be wrong about the former. Maybe unfair but you're going to put your child above all else.

Paddy Cow

eagle eye wrote: »

And where did you hear these stories? Do you realise that a story that he is gay can turn into a story about him pulling his cock out if it goes through three people?

Nobody cares about him being gay. Remember that time a few years ago that Louis Walsh got accused of sexually assaulting someone in the toilets? No one believed it. Not the public and not the media and it turned out it was a false accusation.

Kevin sounds like a Saville type - someone who inexplicably got way with unacceptable behaviour for decades. Even if he's never convicted, I'll never believe he's 100% innocent. And I don't have to consider him innocent until proven guilty. I'm never going to be a jury member on his trial so I can form whatever judgement I want.

eagle eye

Avatar MIA wrote:

Predators can be very skilful at gaining trust, as well as a lot being family members. If your friend had so many allegations against them from separate sources and you still trusted them then, well, I suppose that's why we have social services.

That's highly insulting.
You don't know me, you don't know what I work at, you don't understand why I'm certain that my best friend couldn't possibly do those things.
I'd guess you are just an immature person with a chip on your shoulder looking to constantly insult and get one up on other people because you have nothing else in your life.
Good luck with that and just so you are aware you are now on my ignore list.

eagle eye

Paddy Cow wrote:

Kevin sounds like a Saville type - someone who inexplicably got way with unacceptable behaviour for decades. Even if he's never convicted, I'll never believe he's 100% innocent. And I don't have to consider him innocent until proven guilty. I'm never going to be a jury member on his trial so I can form whatever judgement I want.

You do realise that you are basing all of your beliefs on a celebrity profile. You don't know the man so you really have no clue what he is really like.
It's very dangerous to presume something like that. There would be many innocent people with careers ruined if everybody did what you are doing.

Paddy Cow

eagle eye wrote: »

You do realise that you are basing all of your beliefs on a celebrity profile. You don't know the man so you really have no clue what he is really like.
It's very dangerous to presume something like that. There would be many innocent people with careers ruined if everybody did what you are doing.

No one forced him to write that "apology" or release that video. He did both in the hopes of influencing people's opinion of him. Well he has influenced me, just not in the way he wanted.

batgoat

eagle eye wrote: »

You do realise that you are basing all of your beliefs on a celebrity profile. You don't know the man so you really have no clue what he is really like.
It's very dangerous to presume something like that. There would be many innocent people with careers ruined if everybody did what you are doing.

In fairness, I can confidently say I wouldn't pin a fourteen year old to a bed regardless of if I was drunk or not. Most people can. Spacey cannot.

Avatar MIA

eagle eye wrote: »

That's highly insulting.
You don't know me, you don't know what I work at, you don't understand why I'm certain that my best friend couldn't possibly do those things.
I'd guess you are just an immature person with a chip on your shoulder looking to constantly insult and get one up on other people because you have nothing else in your life.
Good luck with that and just so you are aware you are now on my ignore list.

We don't know each other so your feign insult is irrelevant.

But, yeah, run away to ignore as your stance is worryingly bizarre, admit Spacey looks to be as dodgy as hell based on what we know and move on. People will think less of you than your current stance.

metaoblivia

Apparently there's a video of the assault he's facing charges for: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/us/kevin-spacey-assault-video-complaint/index.html

brendanwalsh

Spacey is grasping at straws. I'll hold off judgment as we saw what happened with Michael Jackson. However, if Spacey has been raping and touching underage prepubescent boys, may he rot in prison for all eternity.

SnakePlissken

eagle eye wrote: »

pulling his cock out if it goes through three people?

How big is his cock?

eagle eye

brendanwalsh wrote:

Spacey is grasping at straws. I'll hold off judgment as we saw what happened with Michael Jackson. However, if Spacey has been raping and touching underage prepubescent boys, may he rot in prison for all eternity.

I'm fully with you on all of that.

Mint Sauce

CatFromHue wrote: »

What about Seven?

Its been so long, I forgot he was in it.

BattleCorp

metaoblivia wrote: »

Apparently there's a video of the assault he's facing charges for: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/us/kevin-spacey-assault-video-complaint/index.html

The guy recorded Spacey abusing him?

I think if I was being sexually abused, I doubt I'd be recording it on Snapchat with my phone.

Edit:

There's not actual footage of a sexual assault if the below passage is to be believed.

The video is less than one second long. It shows a hand making contact with a shirt, but no body parts are visible in the video, Donovan said. In the video, the accuser is wearing a blue shirt, even though he told police he was wearing a red one, the trooper said.

Donovan said he learned that, before the alleged assault, the accuser gave Spacey his phone number, went outside to smoke, and went back inside with Spacey.

Under questioning from lawyer Alan Jackson, Donovan said he found no witnesses to corroborate the accuser's claim that Spacey groped him for three minutes.

"Instead of walking away or moving away or moving back or grabbing the wrist or slapping the hand, he indicated to you that, during that 3-minute time period, that he was texting and snapchatting?"

"That's correct," Donovan responded.

Sir Oxman

https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2019/0107/1020677-kevin-spacey/

refusetolose

https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/1151592876578607104

eagle eye

All the fools will still say he is guilty.

Accuser refused to testify, prosecutors were left with little option but to drop the case. Money...the great mollifier.

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

The accuser refused to testify. Money...the great mollifier.

Or maybe he would have been in trouble if he did testify as it was all lies.

mad muffin

refusetolose wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/1151592876578607104

I’m beside myself with surprise. Really. I am…

kippy

Seems as if the accuser couldn't (wouldn't) provide his mobile phone, from the night in question to the defence side as well as deciding not to talk.

Hard to know exactly what's gone on here to be frank about it. Spaceys' Career is in ruins either way by the looks of things.

ben.schlomo

kippy wrote: »

Seems as if the accuser couldn't (wouldn't) provide his mobile phone, from the night in question to the defence side as well as deciding not to talk.

Hard to know exactly what's gone on here to be frank about it. Spaceys' Career is in ruins either way by the looks of things.

Frankly it's all very strange.

Bobblehats

Venom

kippy wrote: »

Seems as if the accuser couldn't (wouldn't) provide his mobile phone, from the night in question to the defence side as well as deciding not to talk.

Hard to know exactly what's gone on here to be frank about it. Spaceys' Career is in ruins either way by the looks of things.

Why would the defence need the guy's phone tho? If he sent Spacey any sort of a message that could be used for his defence, then wouldn't Spacey have a copy of said message/picture/video on his own phone!

Gatling

Venom wrote: »

Why would the defence need the guy's phone tho? If he sent Spacey any sort of a message that could be used for his defence, then wouldn't Spacey have a copy of said message/picture/video on his own phone!

Wasn't one of claims was he filmed spacey touching his leg on the phone

Franz Von Peppercorn II

kippy wrote: »

Seems as if the accuser couldn't (wouldn't) provide his mobile phone, from the night in question to the defence side as well as deciding not to talk.

Hard to know exactly what's gone on here to be frank about it. Spaceys' Career is in ruins either way by the looks of things.

It shouldn’t be.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Accuser refused to testify, prosecutors were left with little option but to drop the case. Money...the great mollifier.

If Spacey counter sues, you will know there was no money involved.

yaguhu cloud

Gatling wrote: »

Wasn't one of claims was he filmed spacey touching his leg on the phone

"Instead of walking away or moving away or moving back or grabbing the wrist or slapping the hand, he indicated to you that, during that 3-minute time period, that he was texting and snapchatting?"

"That's correct," Donovan responded.

probably something in those texts indicating it wasn't unwanted groping, if it happened

branie2

Ghost thread

Franz Von Peppercorn II

yaguhu cloud wrote: »

probably something in those texts indicating it wasn't unwanted groping, if it happened

He was underage so that wouldn’t work.

kippy

branie2 wrote: »

Ghost thread

Why so?

kippy

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

It shouldn’t be.

Indeed.

munster87

branie2 wrote: »

Ghost thread

That would be more Swayze than Spacey

munster87

munster87 wrote: »

That would be more Swayze than Spacey

Too soon

Wasn't he texting his girlfriend the whole time laughing about it?.. apparently..

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

He was underage so that wouldn’t work.

I thought he was 18?

He released that weird video where he was speaking as Frank Underwood while brandishing a commemorative royal mug. Many thought it was a thinly-veiled threat that if he went down he would name names.

The case seems to have fallen apart at the same time as the whole Jeffrey Epstein child-trafficking thing is blowing up.

Gatling

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I thought he was 18?

He was ,I believe it was his mother that made claims he was under age but he was definitely 18 at the time of the incident

evolving_doors

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He released that weird video where he was speaking as Frank Underwood while brandishing a commemorative royal mug. Many thought it was a thinly-veiled threat that if he went down he would name names.

The case seems to have fallen apart at the same time as the whole Jeffrey Epstein child-trafficking thing is blowing up.

prince Andrew connection.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeffrey-epstein-trump-relationship-pedophile-money-wife-clinton-prince-andrew-sex-trafficking-a8995911.html

padd b1975

The pink Dollar works wonders once again.

Gatling

padd b1975 wrote: »

The pink Dollar works wonders once again.

That or there was no case in the first place

Potential-Monke

Venom wrote: »

Why would the defence need the guy's phone tho? If he sent Spacey any sort of a message that could be used for his defence, then wouldn't Spacey have a copy of said message/picture/video on his own phone!

Suggestions that there were additional messages to his girlfriend which may be pertinent to the case, as the mother admitted to deleting messages which had nothing to do with the case (allegedly). Looking at it from an objective point of view, those messages could be discussions between the lad and his missus planning how to make money off of this. Who knows!

Going by the fact he pleaded the 5th and and wouldn't answer questions about them, I'm thinking that is most likely what happened. He nearly got caught out either fabricating a case, or playing with the truth in order to make money.

IAMAMORON

This guy gets odder by the minute.

Paddy Cow

He has lost the plot.

eagle eye

He is acting there and he is playing the part of someone who has suffered greatly despite doing nothing wrong. At least that is what I took from it.

Paddy Cow

eagle eye wrote: »

He is acting there and he is playing the part of someone who has suffered greatly despite doing nothing wrong. At least that is what I took from it.

I don't know what he wanted to achieve with this but it just makes him look weird. It was like that other video he did about a year ago where he played his character from his Netflix show and it was just bizarre. He's not doing himself any favours with his behaviour.

eagle eye

Paddy Cow wrote:

I don't know what he wanted to achieve with this but it just makes him look weird. It was like that other video he did about a year ago where he played his character from his Netflix show and it was just bizarre. He's not doing himself any favours with his behaviour.

Well to this point he hasn't been convicted of anything but is frozen out of his profession. I'd imagine that would affect anyone it happened to.

The Nal

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61597747

Hes been charged

Strumms

I think whatever the results of the trial…

the absolute amount of baggage now and multiple accusations surrounding him and sexual assault….over time..at worst hes a sex offender at best he’s an absolute creep.

his career is practically over… no studio, producer, or director or actor will want to be associated with him or any production he’s associated with… in fact studios probably couldn’t even afford to take a risk of having him on set knowing what multiple allegations are out there.

a real good actor but he’s damaged goods… people are not going to want to rock up and pay money to watch him.