The Munster January Sales Thread AKA Munster V Leinster build up thread

Former Former

Sirius Boner wrote: »

As I said... irrelevant ...unless the league ends on Sunday evening

Lol.

Unfortunately for Munster, the people in charge seem to have as good a grasp of things as you do.

Sirius Boner

Former Former wrote: »

Lol.

Unfortunately for Munster, the people in charge seem to have as good a grasp of things as you do.

If you offered us 9 points in the Heineken cup guaranteed Vs beating Leinster...guess which one we'd take .
This game is irrelevant as far as the season goes...we lose...we can make up any perceived lost ground rapidly...
we win...and we're a little more comfortable....
anyone that thinks that mathematical gymnastics of us perhaps being outside the European qualification places after the game is a worry...well....it's your grasp of reality that needs attention...not ours

Serbian

Munster need a win pretty badly here. They have 5 away games remaining in the league, two vs the chasers in their conference, Ospreys and Connacht, and they have two further losable games away to Scarlets and Treviso, especially considering their away form this season.

On the flip side, Leinster are coasting 16 points clear with both chasers to come to the RDS, Ulster in the following game. We also have 6 of our remaining games at home and 3 away following this one.

I just don’t see how this game matters to Leinster on a strategic level, and Munster desperately need this win. I think we’ll do Munster a favour this weekend and send a fairly weak team, Munster will be well up for this, go full strength with Carbery who will have a point to prove.

Munster by 7 with a try bonus point imo.

Sirius Boner

Sirius Boner wrote: »

If you offered us 9 points in the Heineken cup guaranteed Vs beating Leinster...guess which one we'd take .
This game is irrelevant as far as the season goes...we lose...we can make up any perceived lost ground rapidly...
we win...and we're a little more comfortable....
anyone that thinks that mathematical gymnastics of us perhaps being outside the European qualification places after the game is a worry...well....it's your grasp of reality that needs attention...not ours

The game clearly isn't irrelevant, no matter how much you (bizarrely) try to claim it is. It's just classic getting your excuses in early. Picking between this and Europe is a complete nonsense because it's not actually a choice, Munster can win all three games believe it or not.

Sirius Boner

Otto Narrow Carpentry wrote: »

The game clearly isn't irrelevant, no matter how much you (bizarrely) try to claim it is. It's just classic getting your excuses in early. Picking between this and Europe is a complete nonsense because it's not actually a choice, Munster can win all three games believe it or not.

Is it possible to win all three games... yes...is it probable...no

Burkie1203

Sirius Boner wrote: »

Is it possible to win all three games... yes...is it probable...no

Like last year you mean

elliot_st

Potential Leinster XV:

1. Cian Healy
2. James Tracy
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Devin Toner
5. James Ryan
6. Dan Leavy
7. Josh Van Der Flier
8. Jack Conan
9. Luke McGrath
10. Ross Byrne
11. James Lowe
12. Rory O'Loughlin
13. Garry Ringrose
14. Adam Byrne
15. Jordan Larmour
16. Bryan Byrne
17. Ed Byrne
18. Andrew Porter
19. Ross Molony
20. Rhys Ruddock
21. Jamison Gibson Park
22. Ciaran Frawley
23. Noel Reid

stephen_n

Sirius Boner wrote: »

Is it possible to win all three games... yes...is it probable...no

Surely if it’s not probable, you target the home wins? If both sides went full strength Munster would be slight favorites. So the match is very winnable even without knowing the teams.

stephen_n

elliot_st wrote: »

Potential Leinster XV:

1. Cian Healy
2. James Tracy
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Devin Toner
5. James Ryan
6. Dan Leavy
7. Josh Van Der Flier
8. Jack Conan
9. Luke McGrath
10. Ross Byrne
11. James Lowe
12. Rory O'Loughlin
13. Garry Ringrose
14. Adam Byrne
15. Jordan Larmour
16. Bryan Byrne
17. Ed Byrne
18. Andrew Porter
19. Ross Molony
20. Rhys Ruddock
21. Jamison Gibson Park
22. Ciaran Frawley
23. Noel Reid

Unless Kearney snr is still injured, which I don’t think he is. He will probably start this game. Also think one of Ryan or Toner will sit this out and swap next weekend.

elliot_st

stephen_n wrote: »

Unless Kearney snr is still injured, which I don’t think he is. He will probably start this game. Also think one of Ryan or Toner will sit this out and swap next weekend.

Possibly, just having a guess.

Maybe Toner rested. I'd like to see Molony/Ryan pair up, old school combo, don't think they started many games together oddly.

Sirius Boner

stephen_n wrote: »

Surely if it’s not probable, you target the home wins? If both sides went full strength Munster would be slight favorites. So the match is very winnable even without knowing the teams.

Target a Pro 14 home win over a Heineken cup away win...no..I'm afraid that isn't happening in any world

stephen_n

elliot_st wrote: »

Possibly, just having a guess.

Maybe Toner rested. I'd like to see Molony/Ryan pair up, old school combo, don't think they started many games together oddly.

I thought Moloney was two years ahead of Ryan, didn’t realize they were in the same team. Be interesting to see if we go down as strong as your selection though.

elliot_st

stephen_n wrote: »

I thought Moloney was two years ahead of Ryan, didn’t realize they were in the same team. Be interesting to see if we go down as strong as your selection though.

Yeah when Molony was in 6th year, Ryan started at lock alongside him as a 4th year. They made the final of the cup and lost to a Ringrose inspired Rock team.

stephen_n

Sirius Boner wrote: »

Target a Pro 14 home win over a Heineken cup away win...no..I'm afraid that isn't happening in any world

I was more thinking of targeting the home match in the pro 14 over the away match in the pro 14 next week. Munster should be able to go full strength this week and in the two European matches. With Munsters away form under VG, targeting an away win in any competition is fanciful though.

Sirius Boner

stephen_n wrote: »

I was more thinking of targeting the home match in the pro 14 over the away match in the pro 14 next week. Munster should be able to go full strength this week and in the two European matches. With Munsters away form under VG, targeting an away win in any competition is fanciful though.

JVG's future at Munster depends on qualifying for the knock out stages of the Heineken cup...not a morale boosting Pro14 win unfortunately.

Heymans

God this team announcement can't come quick enough.

stephen_n

Sirius Boner wrote: »

JVG's future at Munster depends on qualifying for the knock out stages of the Heineken cup...not a morale boosting Pro14 win unfortunately.

With Munsters away form this is more than a moral boosting exercise, I’d have thought winning all your home games was vital to guarantee 2nd place in the conference.

thomond2006

Munster:
Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Dan Goggin, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Joey Carbery, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne; Fineen Wycherley, Chris Cloete, CJ Stander (C).

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Jeremy Loughman, Stephen Archer, Billy Holland, Arno Botha, Alby Mathewson, Tyler Bleyendaal, Darren Sweetnam.

No POM and Bleyendaal on the bench. Goggin starts after injury.

elliot_st

Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):

15. Jordan Larmour (30)
14. Dave Kearney (128)
13. Garry Ringrose (57)
12. Rory O’Loughlin (51)
11. James Lowe (22)
10. Johnny Sexton (155) CAPTAIN
9. Luke McGrath (104)
1. Cian Healy (199)
2. James Tracy (79)
3. Tadhg Furlong (93)
4. Scott Fardy (32)
5. James Ryan (23)
6. Rhys Ruddock (152)
7. Josh van der Flier (68)
8. Jack Conan (82)

16. Bryan Byrne (33)
17. Peter Dooley (55)
18. Michael Bent (113)
19. Ross Molony (74)
20. Max Deegan (30)
21. Hugh O’Sullivan (4)
22. Ciarán Frawley (7)
23. Noel Reid (109)

Dave Kearney ahead of Adam Byrne for Leinster, what the jaysus.

troyzer

Ooooh, juicy lineups.

Leinster by a score.

elliot_st

Otto Narrow Carpentry wrote: »

Dave Kearney ahead of Adam Byrne for Leinster, what the jaysus.

considering Byrne isn't playing, I wouldnt say that at all.

Bridge93

So obviously no henshaw or SOB. But can we take it they’re resting Kearney, Byrne Ross, Byrne Adam, Cronin, Toner and Leavy?

elliot_st

Bridge93 wrote: »

So obviously no henshaw or SOB. But can we take it they’re resting Kearney, Byrne Ross, Byrne Adam, Cronin, Toner and Leavy?

Yep.

thomond2006

The Leinster bench is terrible. Munster have a great opportunity to win.

The line has moved to Leinster -3.

Thermoman12

Otto Narrow Carpentry wrote: »

Dave Kearney ahead of Adam Byrne for Leinster, what the jaysus.

How Dave Kearney is still a professional rugby player is beyond me, he’s barely AIL standard

aloooof

thomond2006 wrote: »

Munster:
Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Dan Goggin, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Joey Carbery, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne; Fineen Wycherley, Chris Cloete, CJ Stander (C).

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Jeremy Loughman, Stephen Archer, Billy Holland, Arno Botha, Alby Mathewson, Tyler Bleyendaal, Darren Sweetnam.

No POM and Bleyendaal on the bench. Goggin starts after injury.

Very happy to see Goggin back, was playing very well before injury. Can't recall how Wycherly has fared at 6 so far this season tho?

thomond2006

aloooof wrote: »

Very happy to see Goggin back, was playing very well before injury. Can't recall how Wycherly has fared at 6 so far this season tho?

Wycherley has played there quite a bit this season. It's interesting to see him retained ahead of Botha.

Former Former

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Leinster bench is terrible. Munster have a great opportunity to win.

The line has moved to Leinster -3.

Doesn't that mean the bookies think Leinster are more likely to win than before the teams were announced?

Faugheen

Thermoman12 wrote: »

How Dave Kearney is still a professional rugby player is beyond me, he’s barely AIL standard

I don't know if this is a pisstake on the old Lowe analogy, but DK would dominate the AIL and is more than able at this level.

If you're not taking the piss, then have a word with yourself.

thomond2006

Former Former wrote: »

Doesn't that mean the bookies think Leinster are more likely to win than before the teams were announced?

Yes. I wouldn't move the line personally.

Rigor Mortis

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Leinster bench is terrible. Munster have a great opportunity to win.

The line has moved to Leinster -3.

Terrible is a bit harsh. It could definitely be stronger, but there isnt that much between them.

I do agree that munster have a great opportunity to win, but that has more to do with home advantage and needing the result.

Squidgy Black

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

Terrible is a bit harsh. It could definitely be stronger, but there isnt that much between them.

Compared to the usual Leinster replacements we're used to seeing, where they come on and close out a game it's definitely a much weaker set. The Munster bench is arguably stronger/more experienced and could be the difference.

Rigor Mortis

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Compared to the usual Leinster replacements we're used to seeing, where they come on and close out a game it's definitely a much weaker set. The Munster bench is arguably stronger/more experienced and could be the difference.

So you are basically agreeing but using twice as many words:D

prawnsambo

Is this the first Sexton v Carbery matchup since Joey moved south?

Squidgy Black

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

So you are basically agreeing but using twice as many words:D

Isn't that the way it works around here ...

thomond2006

Munster still have to travel to Connacht , Ospreys and Scarlets this season. I reckon the team going to Galway will be full strength, with POM returning at six.

A win tomorrow may be vital to catch Glasgow. Their remaining away games are Benetton, Cardiff, Zebre and Leinster.

irishbucsfan

Munster are ****ed. Leinster by 40 points

kuang1

Now that's two proper line ups. Should be a good game for sure now.

I'd put Leinster at about -6 though myself.

Squidgy Black

It's good to see decent lineups for the interpros for once, the last couple of years it's usually been one full strength vs a weaker side or both putting out the reserves.

Sirius Boner

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Munster are ****ed. Leinster by 40 points

You're being overcautious for once

Donal Lenihan

Donal Lenihan wrote:

This is going to be tremendous

Probably.

antietam1

I know most people think of M Bent as a solid pro but I think he is rapidly going downhill. Does he ever pass the ball, or even do something he learned in NZ?

antietam1

antietam1 wrote: »

I know most people think of M Bent as a solid pro but I think he is rapidly going downhill. Does he ever pass the ball, or even do something he learned in NZ?

I'd say he's easily one the best third choice tight heads in Europe.

elliot_st

he was poor versus Connacht.

salmocab

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd say he's easily one the best third choice tight heads in Europe.

He has always suffered from people blaming him because a Kidney dropped him straight into the Irish squad.
He’s a decent prop and ideal squad player.

elliot_st

elliot_st wrote: »

everyone was poor versus Connacht.

FYP!

Faugheen

elliot_st wrote: »

he was poor versus Connacht.

So were a number of players.

I genuinely don't understand why people say 'he was poor against x' as if one performance proves an overall point.

elliot_st

Faugheen wrote: »

So were a number of players.

I genuinely don't understand why people say 'he was poor against x' as if one performance proves an overall point.

did I say it proved an overall point?

kuang1

What tv channels will we have to choose from for this?