What would you change legally if you were in charge?

lawred2

eagle eye wrote: »

No cash for Social welfare recipients. They all get what they should be buying with their money.
I'd have five year sentences for anybody caught trading these items for cash.
If you come live in this country from abroad and you are on social welfare for two years you get turfed out of the country.
No ethnic standing for any Irish born person.
Freedom of speech for all. Jail for anybody telling you that you are not allowed air your views because they are not PC.
All the following can leave the country or spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Margaret Cash, Leo Varadkar, Mary Lou, Michael Martin, Mick Wallace, Ryan Tubridy, Bono and multiple media personalities who are telling people how they should think.
That'll do for a start.

So free speech for all except those individuals you don't like listening to... They get deported

Cool

eagle eye

lawred2 wrote:

So free speech for all except those individuals you don't like listening to... They get deported

No, jail for anybody telling people they are not allowed to air their views and using media to tell people how to think in the guise of current affairs.

Try_harder

Simple_Simone wrote: »

I'd build that prison out in Thornton Hall that Mad Dog McDowell purchased for a king's ransom. Then judges could sentence skangers to prison with some degree of confidence that they'd be kept there. It's already cost the taxpayers over €50 million.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/empty-prison-site-costs-taxpayer-e51-million-298477

Aside As a NUI graduate, I find it incredible that a life-long spoofer/windbag like McDowell was elected to the Senate by my fellow graduates.

"The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Michael McDowell said plans are 'definitely on track' for building work to start on the new prison complex at Thornton in north Co Dublin in March 2007."

I give you Ronan Mullen

El_Bee

Copy an paste a lot of the US' harsher laws, like mandatory 30 years for drug offenses, actually put criminals in jail rather than let them free with 50, 60, 70 plus convictions. Let the Gardai do what they've started doing in England and ramming scumbags off their bikes. Curfew for under 18's, I know the political will isn't there for any of this and even if it were, the European courts would rescind most of it

the_pen_turner

comunity service for smaller crimes.

change the prison system to a working prison. have them out in quarries loading stone, digging ditchs etc.

3 strike rule for criminals.

20 years means 20 years. end of.

weemcd

No corporation gets away with tax evasion, money laundering, avoidance, any of that nonsense. If you cannot pay a decent wage with pension and usual benefits whilst paying a fair amount of tax, you should not and will not be in business.

Ten times less politicians, ten times more front line workers, nurses, ambulance drivers, emergency services etc.

Four day work week.

Legalise possession and sale of cannabis with taxes raised going to healthcare.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

McGaggs wrote: »

Everyone is given 100 points at birth. Various crimes have point values that reduce your balance. Get to zero points and you're euthanised. Preferably by being fitted out of a giant canon.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Make Trespass a criminal offense.

Currently, any number of people can invade your property/land, and theres nothing you can do until they commit a crime.

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

The population of the world is rising rapidly and becoming unsustainable but sure as long as Europe's population drops slightly.

Glad to get really silly responses. Thanks.

The J Stands for Jay

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I with you on that last one but if you want all organic farming you’ll be paying a lot more for food.

And you'll have a much larger carbon footprint.

OldMrBrennan83

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I'd change the law;

put draconian laws in place for online companies tracking/surveilling us
make the defacto age allowed online be 16
to decriminalise drugs (and let selling weed happen in shops)
make family court have a default 50/50 position
euthanasia
not have minimum pricing on alcohol
let Uber drivers exist here
make our libel laws far softer



Yours???

Pretty much the opposite to yours in most cases.

The J Stands for Jay

Patww79 wrote: »

Pretty much the opposite to yours in most cases.

Is the opposite of 50\50 still50\50?

Wibbs

El_Bee wrote: »

Copy an paste a lot of the US' harsher laws, like mandatory 30 years for drug offenses, actually put criminals in jail rather than let them free with 50, 60, 70 plus convictions. Let the Gardai do what they've started doing in England and ramming scumbags off their bikes. Curfew for under 18's, I know the political will isn't there for any of this and even if it were, the European courts would rescind most of it

Yeah like that really worked well in America. They put more of their own citizens in (usually private) gaols than any other country, second only to China in executing their own citizens and have horrible social problems and a massively widening gap between the haves and have nots and have an increasingly polarised culture. While America has its positives their olde time religious views on crime and punishment are hardly to be emulated.

Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

in the minds of the elite, growth is non-negotiable.

Indeed. Well the consumer society depends on more people to produce and consume more stuff and voices of doom kick off the second population growth isn't on the increase. Yet at the same time we're told and rightfully this planet is being screwed over environmentally. If the population was halved that impact would be halved(at least). Does not compute.

TheValeyard

I should never be given that much power. I'd totally abuse it.

malinheader

No tax on overtime.

gozunda

Start exporting convicted criminals to oversees prisons on a contract basis to reduce to risk of same being released due to 'overcrowding'. Doesn't really matter where tbh.

Secure borders and ensure that migrant welfare tourism is stopped in its tracks

Increase sanctions and prosecute any public or elected officials involved in corruption and fraud (see 1 above). Continue this all the way up to the top where necessary.

Introduce siesta legislation for proper daytime breaks

Trigger Happy

Try_harder wrote: »

We have that to

And you are happy that the option of consecutive versus concurrent sentencing works and is applied fairly with respect to the victims?
Tell me - do you know the ratio of concurrent versus consecutive sentences handed out in recent years and are you happy with that?

the beer revolu

Double criminal sentences for foreigners, travellers and dole scum.
Hard working people pay less tax, everyone else pays more.
Lock all offenders up for ever and then kill them.
Politicians will work for minimum wage.
Abolish minimum wage.
Ban all non Catholic religions and the annoying bits of Catholicism like being expected to believe in stuff to be Catholic.
Leg cuffs for all offenders (like in the movies).
Lagalise the beating of hipsters or anyone who is a connoisseur of something normal people aren't really into.
Mandatory large portions in all restaurants - the more expensive the restaurant the larger the portions.
Allow the victims of crime to decide on and administer punishment.

Jimbob1977

For every crime committed by a minor, the parents should have their taxes increased or welfare docked.

Food stamps to comprise a portion of welfare payments. This will ensure that a chunk of welfare is spent on 'essentials'.

Illegal dumpers (where case is proven) to be fined €50,000 and have the rubbish dumped back on their lawn.

Legislation to ensure that male sports programmes are anchored by a male.

eagle eye

the beer revolu wrote:

Allow the victims of crime to decide on and administer punishment.

I love it, rapists and paedophiles get their cocks cut off and are left to bleed to death. Seems like a fitting punishment.
Drunk drivers who kill someone get run down by a car which drives over them and over them until they die.
We have a problem with murderers because the victim is already dead.

piplip87

Social welfare replaced with a debit card whereby it only works on some essential items leading to cut to the bare minimum after a year.

Disability, state pension, blind persons and carers all upped.

Legalise drugs, all off them and put the taxes raised into rehab facilities and education.

Three strikes and a 40 year sentence for some crimes. Robbery would be one of them.

Getting goods and services provided by tradesman and not paying would be treated the exact same as shoplifting.

Zero tolerance to migrants or immigrants who commit crime. Commit a crime do your time and **** off

El_Bee

Wibbs wrote: »

Yeah like that really worked well in America. They put more of their own citizens in (usually private) gaols than any other country, second only to China in executing their own citizens and have horrible social problems and a massively widening gap between the haves and have nots and have an increasingly polarised culture. While America has its positives their olde time religious views on crime and punishment are hardly to be emulated.

Honestly I don't care, I want to see guys with nearly 100 convictions off the street.
I should also be allowed to sue the Judges who let these guys walk over and over, they have a duty of care to society to keep these people from harming the innocent, and when they let them out again and again they are failing that duty.

Wibbs

El_Bee wrote: »

Honestly I don't care,

And that's why mob rule is a bad plan. It's reactive, usually overreactive and runs on emotions rather than facts or better outcomes.

I want to see guys with nearly 100 convictions off the street.

As do I 100% El Bee, but to go from one extreme to the other American daft as fook extreme is hardly wise. There are all sorts of countries and cultures we shouldn't copy and America is one of them. Everybody looks at America today and may consider Trump and either thinks WTF, or more worryingly thinks him a good thing, but think on this, their other "choice" was Hilary bloody Clinton, a war mongering muppet in the pocket of many. Their last Great White Black Hope was as bad. No wonder so many millions of them didn't even bother voting. Their culture, already polarised and fearfully so, has become ever more polarised with every year and that retarded nonsense is spreading beyond their shores and we really need to be watchful for it. And I say that as someone who is anything but a "Lefty".

El_Bee

Wibbs wrote: »

And that's why mob rule is a bad plan. It's reactive, usually overreactive and runs on emotions rather than facts or better outcomes.

As do I 100% El Bee, but to go from one extreme to the other American daft as fook extreme is hardly wise. There are all sorts of countries and cultures we shouldn't copy and America is one of them. Everybody looks at America today and may consider Trump and either thinks WTF, or more worryingly thinks him a good thing, but think on this, their other "choice" was Hilary bloody Clinton, a war mongering muppet in the pocket of many. Their last Great White Black Hope was as bad. No wonder so many millions of them didn't even bother voting. Their culture, already polarised and fearfully so, has become ever more polarised with every year and that retarded nonsense is spreading beyond their shores and we really need to be watchful for it. And I say that as someone who is anything but a "Lefty".

I'm not talking about American politics, I don't want to talk about trump and hillary, I'm talking about their judicial system, look at mandatory sentencing for drug offenses, how can we keep letting drug dealers out time after time? Violent crime is the same, if you or I get smacked across the back of the head and our wallet and phones taken, and the guy has 50+ convictions for doing the exact same thing, and the gangs who burgle rural homes over and over again, does that not tell you that for large parts of the country law and order is essentially non existent? If you asked an American how many times they have to break the law before they're actually put in jail they'd look at you like your speaking a different language.

Mutant z

Having proper asylum laws in place so that anyone who wants to come here has to have full documented proof about how and why they have ended up here from the other side of the world technically such a law is already in place but it isn't being enforced like it should. aAso putting an end to the entitlement culture and victimisation status certain groups have been given let everyone take on a bit of personal responsibility for once.

Try_harder

Trigger Happy wrote: »

And you are happy that the option of consecutive versus concurrent sentencing works and is applied fairly with respect to the victims?
Tell me - do you know the ratio of concurrent versus consecutive sentences handed out in recent years and are you happy with that?

I trust judges to apply laws correctly not some random angry man on the internet

Try_harder

the beer revolu wrote: »

Double criminal sentences for foreigners, travellers and dole scum.
Hard working people pay less tax, everyone else pays more.
Lock all offenders up for ever and then kill them.
Politicians will work for minimum wage.
Abolish minimum wage.
Ban all non Catholic religions and the annoying bits of Catholicism like being expected to believe in stuff to be Catholic.
Leg cuffs for all offenders (like in the movies).
Lagalise the beating of hipsters or anyone who is a connoisseur of something normal people aren't really into.
Mandatory large portions in all restaurants - the more expensive the restaurant the larger the portions.
Allow the victims of crime to decide on and administer punishment.

Lolz love it

Undividual

I don't see why handjobs through a 'glory-hole' type thing aren't legal.

I think this would do wonders for society, though it may result in a sharp rise in divorces and single adults. Completely recession proof. It's a trillion dollar idea but the world isn't ready for it. I now know how Galileo must have felt.

... I mean, not that I'd ever need to use one.

Wibbs

El_Bee wrote: »

I'm not talking about American politics, I don't want to talk about trump and hillary, I'm talking about their judicial system, look at mandatory sentencing for drug offenses, how can we keep letting drug dealers out time after time? Violent crime is the same, if you or I get smacked across the back of the head and our wallet and phones taken, and the guy has 50+ convictions for doing the exact same thing, and the gangs who burgle rural homes over and over again, does that not tell you that for large parts of the country law and order is essentially non existent? If you asked an American how many times they have to break the law before they're actually put in jail they'd look at you like your speaking a different language.

And yet their rate of crime per head is higher than ours. The more hippy dippy countries in the EU have even lower crime rates again. Instinctively going gung ho on crime seems like the best plan, but the results show a different story. Though I would agree 100% that the Irish courts are often a very bad bloody joke and that does need changing, but no need to go full Yank either.

ambro25

Continuing on the crime punishment tangent: bring back the stocks for petty crimes.

In a safe and controlled manner (impossible to harm convicts), with the aim of inflicting shame as the actual punishment.

In a world drunk on peer pressure through all-pervasive, ubiquitous social media, public shaming has to be a stronger deterrent than suspended or very brief custodial sentences. Might turm out to be cheaper than incarceration, and contribute to solving prison overcrowding.

Ah, I feel better for lancing that reactionary boil.

Trigger Happy

Try_harder wrote: »

I trust judges to apply laws correctly not some random angry man on the internet

You are not really understanding the point of this thread, are you?

Sorry about that

Real consequences for people who don't pick up their dog's mess in public places.Public naming and shaming, as well as hefty fines. Dog taken from repeat offenders.

Ipso

Something like chain gangs cleaning up rubbish, maybe after pulling a few shopping trolleys out of a manky canal someone might reconsider offending for the 27th time.