22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

Try_harder

Chloe Brave Cowboy wrote: »

You’re coming across like you have a lot of internalized racism

what pray tell is internalised racism?

BBFAN

Chloe Brave Cowboy wrote: »

ansolutely not. You’re living with your fella, beating the **** out of you, you’ve nothing. You’re off to a refuge, they’ll get you set up with hap, who will cover about 1/2 your rent. You’re not rushed into a council house passed everyone else on the list

Ah stop now shoesday, you're speaking to someone who's actually experienced this, you've admitted that you were wrong in saying you couldn't get a barring order and you were wrong in saying that they weren't given priority on the housing list and weren't given extra HAP? And yet you weren't wrong?

You're making yourself look foolish now. :rolleyes:

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Try_harder wrote: »

what pray tell is internalised racism?

does google not work on your street no? Sounds like it’s even more like beruit than I initially thought

PuppyMcPupFace

BBFAN wrote: »

Ah stop now shoesday, you're speaking to someone who's actually experienced this, you've admitted that you were wrong in saying you couldn't get a barring order and you were wrong in saying that they weren't given priority on the housing list and weren't given extra HAP? And yet you weren't wrong?

You're making yourself look foolish now. :rolleyes:

Maybe he didn't want you to be alone ????

Omackeral

Chloe Brave Cowboy wrote: »

You’re coming across like you have a lot of internalized racism

This thread certainly rubbed a few people up the wrong way :P

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BBFAN wrote: »

Ah stop now shoesday, you're speaking to someone who's actually experienced this, you've admitted that you were wrong in saying you couldn't get a barring order and you were wrong in saying that they weren't given priority on the housing list and weren't given extra HAP? And yet you weren't wrong?

You're making yourself look foolish now. :rolleyes:

They can’t get a barring order in every single case?? I didn’t admit I was wrong. Your situation isn’t the same for every other person who finds themselves in an abusive situation. They’re not given priority on being handed a council house. They’re given hap and can be given an additional 20% of the rate they’re entitled to, but if there is nothing available or they can’t find anywhere to live, they’re not prioritized. They’ll be moved into a women’s refuge. They will still have to wait on a council list like everyone else on it.

PuppyMcPupFace

Chloe Brave Cowboy wrote: »

They can’t get a barring order in every single case?? I didn’t admit I was wrong. Your situation isn’t the same for every other person who finds themselves in an abusive situation. They’re not given priority on being handed a council house. They’re given hap and can be given an additional 20% of the rate they’re entitled to, but if there is nothing available or they can’t find anywhere to live, they’re not prioritized. They’ll be moved into a women’s refuge. They will still have to wait on a council list like everyone else on it.

That's all true - the friend's daughter is a social worker dealing with the iffier cases. We should be opening these hotels for the needy of our own country, not strapping lads who blagged their way here

airy fairy

I don't mind the refugees coming to Ireland, but certain criteria should be in place.
They should have to integrate, this isn't happening, both with refugees, but with other eastern European cultures that arrived during the boom. Only shop in their shops, they go home for dental treatment, scans, and work, yes, work.
They should not get priority on housing lists, medical lists or otherwise.
I live near a facility that holds asylum seekers etc. Their
kids go to school with mine, the majority are Muslim.
Kids Xmas concert this year, Little Donkey not allowed, a parent complained about Bethlehem being in it. In fact no religious songs allowed at all, in a Catholic primary school.
The 3 little pigs are not allowed as a story to junior infants, a Muslim family complained as they consider the pig to be dirty and should not beat the wolf.

We are bending over too much for foreign visitors.
You live in Rome, you do as the Romans do....
If I go to a foreign country I have to abide to their beliefs and traditions and culture, same should apply when people visit/live here.

enricoh

Try_harder wrote: »

20k were is that figure from???

Apologies its 25k potential jihadis in the uk. More enrichment than i thought!

UK home to up to 25,000 Islamist extremists who could pose threat, EU ...
https://www.independent.co.uk › ...
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Try_harder

Chloe Brave Cowboy wrote: »

I know the street you’re talking about. It’s a quiet street.

its grim

Pobal HP Description 2016 disadvantaged
Age dependency ratio (%) 30.61
Lone parent ratio (%) 28
Prop. primary education only (%) 29
Prop. third level education (%) 18.68
Prop. local authority rented (%) 18.58
Unemployment rate - male (%) 27.27
Unemployment rate - female (%) 15.58

2019

2019 wrote: »

These are people in desperate need of help. I welcome my government for letting them in. Forget about the politics of this situation and think about the human need. Their country has been devastated by war and its these people , the innocent that is suffering. It wasnt that to long ago us Irish needed help from the international community.

"Us Irish" were never given free housing, food and heating when we migrated abroad. We had to work hard, keep our heads down and adopt the ways of the new countries.

Omackeral

airy fairy wrote: »

Kids Xmas concert this year, Little Donkey not allowed, a parent complained about Bethlehem being in it. In fact no religious songs allowed at all, in a Catholic primary school.
The 3 little pigs are not allowed as a story to junior infants, a Muslim family complained as they consider the pig to be dirty and should not beat the wolf.

If any of that is true it is absolutely not right. I don't give a rats about religion myself but doing nativity plays etc is just part of growing up. I'd argue it's transcended religion in a sense and is a cultural norm. Shame, if true.

Chinasea

A miserly 22. And someone lights a post to incite.

If in 20 years time, you are a Syrian refugee and have managed to survive and stay in Ireland, despite the rampant racism, I am ashamed of the the hatred that I have read here and elsewhere for that matter.

For what it's worth they do NOT speak on my behalf.

Try_harder

Deleted User wrote: »

"Us Irish" were never given free housing, food and heating when we migrated abroad. We had to work hard, keep our heads down and adopt the ways of the new countries.

We were never Refugees from war, only some NI nationalists were in 70's & 80's, and they were given State Aid in the Republic

PuppyMcPupFace

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"Us Irish" were never given free housing, food and heating when we migrated abroad. We had to work hard, keep our heads down and adopt the ways of the new countries.

I really wish seances were real - I'd love to make my relatives who emigrated after the Famine piss themselves laughing at how "great" they had it when they arrived elsewhere to be given houses, clothes, money and didn't have to work.

Try_harder

Deleted User wrote: »

"Us Irish" were never given free housing, food and heating when we migrated abroad. We had to work hard, keep our heads down and adopt the ways of the new countries.

Plenty of Irish in UK social housing too

Gentleman Off The Pitch

jmreire wrote: »

As I have said earlier, most will return home when the conditions are right. .....

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

How can you state this with such certainty? Also can I ask about your statements that all the Syrian families come from Lebanese camps and the vetting procedures, is this information in the public domain?

jmreire wrote: »

When it was first agreed that Ireland would take their quota of 4'000 Syrian Refugees, there were a lot of questions asked, especially if they would be turning up ad-hoc, like in Germany and other EU Countries, but we were assured that all the refugees Ireland would be getting would be from Refugee camp's only, and thoroughly vetted before hand. This was one of the reasons that we are getting them in batches ( bear in mind that Germany etc, have taken more than a million in this time frame ) You can check this out on Google.
As for them returning to Syria? Yes I believe that the majority will do so. They had a pretty good life there before the war, and for sure, would like to go back. I have some Syrian friends, and that's what they tell me anyway, but I can well believe it. A lot of them are finding Life very hard in Germany..while they don't have to worry about bombs falling and bullets flying, for them it's an unimaginable life-change, culture + language etc. Syrian Families are very close knit, but the present circumstances mean that they are being split up.

Ah ok, so your seemingly concrete statements were based on promises/assurances given prior to this relocation program rather than any detailed knowledge of the ongoing vetting procedures. I mistakenly got the impression from your post that you had some insider knowledge or something

As for the second part of your reply concerning them returning to Syria, it's clear now that this is simply your opinion and not based on some analytical data for example. As those who do not think correctly on here are constantly informed by those who do, personal experiences, anecdotal evidence etc. are not admissible round these parts. I have no reason to doubt what you have stated about your friends etc. but if such an anecdote was relayed by a poster 'on the other side' it would be treated with disdain and dismissed

PuppyMcPupFace

Try_harder wrote: »

We were never Refugees from war, only some NI nationalists were in 70's & 80's, and they were given State Aid in the Republic

And if you believe every skanger trying to blag a free life from us is "fleeing war" you need a dose of reality.

Try_harder

Try_harder wrote: »

We were never Refugees from war, only some NI nationalists were in 70's & 80's, and they were given State Aid in the Republic

Ok so then you agree the comparison to Irish migration is perhaps a fallacy then and not comparing apples with apples. I look forward to that argument being dropped by the pro open borders crowd.

Try_harder

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

And if you believe every skanger trying to blag a free life from us is "fleeing war" you need a dose of reality.

I am referring to the 22 Syrian Families as per the thread title.

Try_harder

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok so then you agree the comparison to Irish migration is perhaps a fallacy then and not comparing apples with apples. I look forward to that argument being dropped by the pro open borders crowd.

I'm talking about Syrian Refugees here.

PuppyMcPupFace

Try_harder wrote: »

I am referring to the 22 Syrian Families as per the thread title.

Yeah sure, they're all legit. My hole.

Try_harder

Try_harder wrote: »

Plenty of Irish in UK social housing too

Legal immigrants. Paid for easily by other legal Irish immigrants working hard in the UK.

Try_harder

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok so then you agree the comparison to Irish migration is perhaps a fallacy then and not comparing apples with apples. I look forward to that argument being dropped by the pro open borders crowd.

The Irish were by and large economic migrants, the much maligned grouping of this parish...

Try_harder

Deleted User wrote: »

Legal immigrants. Paid for easily by other legal Irish immigrants working hard in the UK.

Why are they legal? The UK does not recognise Ireland as a separate country as per the Ireland act.

Immigrants in Ireland contribute far more to the economy than they take out, but you already knew that!

BBFAN

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

That's all true - the friend's daughter is a social worker dealing with the iffier cases. We should be opening these hotels for the needy of our own country, not strapping lads who blagged their way here

The needy in our country are already living in hotels though?

Try_harder

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

Yeah sure, they're all legit. My hole.

how many 21, 20, 19...

where is your evidence they are not? If the state accepts them as refugees, then they are legal, its quite simple

Try_harder

Try_harder wrote: »

Why are they legal? The UK does not recognise Ireland as a separate country as per the Ireland act.

Immigrants in Ireland contribute far more to the economy than they take out, but you already knew that!

Horse manure. The UK doesn't recognise Ireland as a separate country?

What are the stats on illegal immigrants net contribution to the economy?

Try_harder

The strapping lads can stay with me!

Omackeral

Try_harder wrote: »

The UK does not recognise Ireland as a separate country as per the Ireland act.

Hold up...

Try_harder

Deleted User wrote: »

Horse manure. The UK doesn't recognise Ireland as a separate country?

What are the stats on illegal immigrants net contribution to the economy?

See The Ireland Act

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airy fairy wrote: »

I don't mind the refugees coming to Ireland, but certain criteria should be in place.
They should have to integrate, this isn't happening, both with refugees, but with other eastern European cultures that arrived during the boom. Only shop in their shops, they go home for dental treatment, scans, and work, yes, work.
They should not get priority on housing lists, medical lists or otherwise.
I live near a facility that holds asylum seekers etc. Their
kids go to school with mine, the majority are Muslim.
Kids Xmas concert this year, Little Donkey not allowed, a parent complained about Bethlehem being in it. In fact no religious songs allowed at all, in a Catholic primary school.
The 3 little pigs are not allowed as a story to junior infants, a Muslim family complained as they consider the pig to be dirty and should not beat the wolf.

We are bending over too much for foreign visitors.
You live in Rome, you do as the Romans do....
If I go to a foreign country I have to abide to their beliefs and traditions and culture, same should apply when people visit/live here.

One of my closest friends is Muslim. I met her last week for lunch and she had to pop into boots. She spoke to the pharmacist and as we were leaving he called out “happy uh holidays” and she turned around and said “happy Christmas!” Back to him.

A lot of immigrants are happy enough to intergrate and I love that. But I agree, our culture shouldn’t be the culture that needs to change to accommodate people coming to this country. If they find Christmas offensive then don’t move to a country who starts preparing for it in September

Try_harder

Omackeral wrote: »

Hold up...

It doesn't.

enricoh

Try_harder wrote: »

Why are they legal? The UK does not recognise Ireland as a separate country as per the Ireland act.

Immigrants in Ireland contribute far more to the economy than they take out, but you already knew that!

Any data on that? Immigrants contributing more, in ireland?

Try_harder

Deleted User wrote: »

Horse manure. The UK doesn't recognise Ireland as a separate country?

What are the stats on illegal immigrants net contribution to the economy?

Republic of Ireland not a foreign country.

It is hereby declared that, notwithstanding that the Republic of Ireland is not part of His Majesty’s dominions, the Republic of Ireland is not a foreign country for the purposes of any law in force in any part of the United Kingdom or in any colony, protectorate or United Kingdom trust territory, whether by virtue of a rule of law or of an Act of Parliament or any other enactment or instrument whatsoever, whether passed or made before or after the passing of this Act, and references in any Act of Parliament, other enactment or instrument whatsoever, whether passed or made before or after the passing of this Act, to foreigners, aliens, foreign countries, and foreign or foreign-built ships or aircraft shall be construed accordingly.

PuppyMcPupFace

Try_harder wrote: »

how many 21, 20, 19...

where is your evidence they are not? If the state accepts them as refugees, then they are legal, its quite simple

You're a naive self hating idiot and I'm over trying to talk to you.

airy fairy

How about the last lot of young boys or men that were brought here last year, costing a few million every year.
Some of them didn't have birth certs, and from the look at pictures at the time, they certainly weren't in their teens when they claimed to be.
Are we still leaving in people with lost birth certs and passports?

Try_harder

enricoh wrote: »

Any data on that? Immigrants contributing more, in ireland?

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Migrant_Integration_Strategy_English.pdf/Files/Migrant_Integration_Strategy_English.pdf

Try_harder

airy fairy wrote: »

How about the last lot of young boys or men that were brought here last year, costing a few million every year.
Some of them didn't have birth certs, and from the look at pictures at the time, they certainly weren't in their teens when they claimed to be.
Are we still leaving in people with lost birth certs and passports?

and data on that?

StereoSound

Ultimately, as long as they contribute to society by getting jobs and behaving in a decent manner, then I don't mind them coming here and moving in permanently. But the thing is, you don't know what side of their personalities has changed after being in a war torn country, and that negative side may show up here and be introduced to our societies...If I was living in a war torn country with bullets flying past my ass for years I would probably develop a nasty side to. We would translate that here as a bad thing. Maybe I am wrong, I don't know.

They say these Syrian refugees have been filtered and are genuine but who knows for sure, there is an element of risk taking in these people, look what happened in France... Some of the "genuine" refugees went on a killing spree. Not saying that will happen here but who knows ? Do you know for sure? Of course you don't. You are taking one man away from his home after he was subject to a war zone for years and everything that comes with that, these situations can have great effects on peoples personalities and you don't know their level of intent or what they considered doing before they come here. Did they consider joining one of those head chopping off groups so they could feed their families ? You don't know and they certainly wont admit to that when it comes to an application to come here. Just saying..... It's not all buttercups and smiles when there is RISK in the equation.

Try_harder

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

You're a naive self hating idiot and I'm over trying to talk to you.

Good I don't like talking to xenophobes!

PuppyMcPupFace

airy fairy wrote: »

How about the last lot of young boys or men that were brought here last year, costing a few million every year.
Some of them didn't have birth certs, and from the look at pictures at the time, they certainly weren't in their teens when they claimed to be.
Are we still leaving in people with lost birth certs and passports?

Yes and there are people on here thinking it's so wonderful.

Look at the migrants bring picked up by the free taxi service in the English Channel - how long before they're over here ? Unchecked, unvetted and planning God knows what.

Omackeral

I knew it! This real life account happened across the water in the UK.

Try_harder

StereoSound wrote: »

Ultimately, as long as they contribute to society by getting jobs and behaving in a decent manner, then I don't mind them coming here and moving in permanently. But the thing is, you don't know what side of their personalities has changed after being in a war torn country, and that negative side may show up here and be introduced to our societies...If I was living in a war torn country with bullets flying past my ass for years I would probably develop a nasty side to. We would translate that here as a bad thing. Maybe I am wrong, I don't know.

They say these Syrian refugees have been filtered and are genuine but who knows for sure, there is an element of risk taking in these people, look what happened in France... Some of the "genuine" refugees went on a killing spree. Not saying that will happen here but who knows ? Do you know for sure? Of course you don't. You are taking one man away from his home after he was subject to a war zone for years and everything that comes with that, these situations can have great effects on peoples personalities and you don't know their level of intent or what they considered doing before they come here. Did they consider joining one of those head chopping off groups so they could feed their families ? You don't know and they certainly wont admit to that when it comes to an application to come here. Just saying..... It's not all buttercups and smiles when there is RISK in the equation.

men by and large commit rape, should we have a society without men, due to that RISK?

Same BS logic

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Try_harder wrote: »

Good I don't like taking to xenophobes!

Nobody’s asking you to take him on a public thread

Try_harder

Omackeral wrote: »

I knew it! This real life account happened across the water in the UK.

love spoof facebook - winds up the gammons!

end of the road

airy fairy wrote: »

I don't mind the refugees coming to Ireland, but certain criteria should be in place.
They should have to integrate, this isn't happening, both with refugees, but with other eastern European cultures that arrived during the boom. Only shop in their shops, they go home for dental treatment, scans, and work, yes, work.
They should not get priority on housing lists, medical lists or otherwise.
I live near a facility that holds asylum seekers etc. Their
kids go to school with mine, the majority are Muslim.
Kids Xmas concert this year, Little Donkey not allowed, a parent complained about Bethlehem being in it. In fact no religious songs allowed at all, in a Catholic primary school.
The 3 little pigs are not allowed as a story to junior infants, a Muslim family complained as they consider the pig to be dirty and should not beat the wolf.

We are bending over too much for foreign visitors.
You live in Rome, you do as the Romans do....
If I go to a foreign country I have to abide to their beliefs and traditions and culture, same should apply when people visit/live here.

that's all the school's fault. they would have made those decisians. did the other parents object to the school removing religious songs from the school play, or removing 3 little pigs as a story?

Deleted User wrote: »

"Us Irish" were never given free housing, food and heating when we migrated abroad. We had to work hard, keep our heads down and adopt the ways of the new countries.

are you sure about that?

BBFAN

Omackeral wrote: »

I knew it! This real life account happened across the water in the UK.

I hope this is a taking the piss post?

enricoh

Try_harder wrote: »

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Migrant_Integration_Strategy_English.pdf/Files/Migrant_Integration_Strategy_English.pdf

Dont see anything there to say they contribute more than they take, iirc ireland is one of the few exceptions to the rule in that they don't.

Omackeral

Try_harder wrote: »

love spoof facebook - winds up the gammons!

Not a bit of a racially charged term?