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I'd agree.Can't say gaming on Windows today feels any different to 10/15 years ago to be honest.
I think everyone saw the new UWP platform, and freaked out thinking Microsoft would kill off the ability to install whatever software you want and turn Windows into an Apple-like proprietry walled garden.
Valve even went away and kicked off the whole Steam Machines movement in response, which to all intents and purposes is dead now as that nightmare scenario never happened.
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I'll agree to disagree then
Can't stand modern windows with its popups everywhere, literal malware messages that attempt to trick you and which you can't refuse. And of course all the security, privacy and forced update nonsense. It's an absolute pain when I have to use them at college so I'm considering buying a cheap laptop to bring in.
The show ain't over yet with how bad MC can F up windows. But it's not just window - MC as a company are so overwhelmingly deplorable that I don't really have any incentive to touch their products.Valve even went away and kicked off the whole Steam Machines movement in response, which to all intents and purposes is dead now as that nightmare scenario never happened.
Steam machines were a commercial failure but valve's investments into linux have been a great success. The amount of progress that has been made since proton launched is crazy and I'm personally happy as a clown about it.:D0 -
Robert ninja wrote: »I'll agree to disagree then Can't stand modern windows with its popups everywhere, literal malware messages that attempt to trick you and which you can't refuse.
Bizarre, I used W10 each day and I never see these popups, literal malware message that attempt to trick me and I can't refuse? Mayhaps you should be a bit more cautious in your browsing?Robert ninja wrote: »And of course all the security, privacy and forced update nonsense.
I've never understood peoples rebellion against this? Oh no, I have to let my PC restart for 5 minutes (I literally just had a security update) a few moments ago. It's grand and handy knowing the company is actively and constantly updating the security on my PC.Robert ninja wrote: »The show ain't over yet with how bad MC can F up windows. But it's not just window - MC as a company are so overwhelmingly deplorable that I don't really have any incentive to touch their products.
Amazing, I've been reading about supposed downfall of Microsoft since Windows ME and yet here we are. Still going strong. And, yeah, I'll straight up say Microsoft have done some dodgy ass stuff over the years, but I'd love to find a massive corporation that's been around as long that hasn't.0 -
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Again as someone who is forced to use it for college, there is. Popups from the bottom bar or straight up box windows. Almost always about some kind of update of the system or specific software. They've caused frustrations for lecturer and student presentations on more than one occasion.Again, as someone who actually uses the OS, there's no popups.
Reccomending their own product would be to say that on their site. Misleading the user in the actual OS with highlights, reversing yes/no option locations and having no way to say no etc these are classic malware & adware tactics, not recommendations. Designed to leash, trick and misinform the user. People just seem willing to excuse it because it's microsoft I guess.They recommend they're own product as they support it.
It's ironic that they'd recommend their own stuff when they themselves don't even use it. Microsoft do not use windows for their important systems and then the hilarious blunder where they won't even use IE:
Yeah so they literally have to revert back in order to be likable. This is exactly what I mentioned: Windows can't seem to go forward without becoming terrible. Meanwhile every major update I choose to install on linux tends to have lots of new features and actual security updates to the generally secure platform.W10 is far far more like Windows 7 in overall usage and day to day use.
Sounds like windows alrightsoftware that is specifically designed to disrupt, damage, or gain unauthorized access to a computer system.
Yeah but that's not breaking because of an accident or oversight. Windows is designed this way. Failure by design. It will force update or something and it can reboot the system because I guess it still needs to reboot after an update... and all it does is update the OS. When I'm using my linux system it updates everything which actually make real changes I can see and benefit from and doesn't need to reboot. Except for kernel updates ofc which are also optional and never forced.Software can break for a variety of reasons.
They flushed their entire QA department 4 years ago.Wrong again! Microsoft (like all other developers) do provide a beta system and patch notes too.
Power to ya - I always suggest people use whatever clicks with them. I helped build gaming system for my college peers and I put W10 on it and even try to optimise it for em'.I used to think that way once too, but I sort of stopped caring. Windows just works for me now. I don't really care about what the OS is, just as long as my hardware and software works I'm happy.0 -
As soon as all games I play are available on Linux I will very quickly wipe my Win 10 install and replace it for good.Robert ninja wrote: »I'll agree to disagree then Can't stand modern windows with its popups everywhere, literal malware messages that attempt to trick you and which you can't refuse. And of course all the security, privacy and forced update nonsense. It's an absolute pain when I have to use them at college so I'm considering buying a cheap laptop to bring in.
The show ain't over yet with how bad MC can F up windows. But it's not just window - MC as a company are so overwhelmingly deplorable that I don't really have any incentive to touch their products.
Steam machines were a commercial failure but valve's investments into linux have been a great success. The amount of progress that has been made since proton launched is crazy and I'm personally happy as a clown about it.:D
Its the only thing preventing me switching for good.0 -
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Right, this'll be my last response because this is just a back and forth with the same arguments I've seen with all the same conspiracy nonsense over the years.Robert ninja wrote: »Again as someone who is forced to use it for college, there is. Popups from the bottom bar or straight up box windows. Almost always about some kind of update of the system or specific software. They've caused frustrations for lecturer and student presentations on more than one occasion.
There's a difference between a pop up (negative) and a system notification (positive). The -only- time you can't dismiss a system/security update with Windows is when you've done it repeatedly and it's being treated as urgent. Again, this happens on MacOS and ChromeOS and I believe on a few variants of Linux/Debian/Mint.Robert ninja wrote: »Reccomending their own product would be to say that on their site. Misleading the user in the actual OS with highlights, reversing yes/no option locations and having no way to say no etc these are classic malware & adware tactics, not recommendations. Designed to leash, trick and misinform the user. People just seem willing to excuse it because it's microsoft I guess.
Again. Not malware. Also not misleading. "System update" is not misleading. It's literally saying what it is. And again (and all following points) each other OS does this.Robert ninja wrote: »It's ironic that they'd recommend their own stuff when they themselves don't even use it. Microsoft do not use windows for their important systems and then the hilarious blunder where they won't even use IE:
It was hysterical yes. Also it happens quite often. Bill Gates even joked about his kids using iPhones and Sundar Pichai openly loves his iPhone.Robert ninja wrote: »Yeah so they literally have to revert back in order to be likable. This is exactly what I mentioned: Windows can't seem to go forward without becoming terrible. Meanwhile every major update I choose to install on linux tends to have lots of new features and actual security updates to the generally secure platform.
Yup, it's called customer feedback. It's a very important thing to listen to in business. Users didn't like the UI experience, and so it was removed with Windows 8.2 and further with W10. Linux tends to have a lot of new features added which are -already- on Windows and MacOS. Yes, I use Debian on a dual-boot and the additional customization is great.Robert ninja wrote: »
I won't go through each of these, two are happening with all major OS's though. I couldn't be arsed to Google the middle two.Robert ninja wrote: »Yeah but that's not breaking because of an accident or oversight. Windows is designed this way. Failure by design. It will force update or something and it can reboot the system because I guess it still needs to reboot after an update... and all it does is update the OS. When I'm using my linux system it updates everything which actually make real changes I can see and benefit from and doesn't need to reboot. Except for kernel updates ofc which are also optional and never forced.
It's a hell of a claim (and more conspiracy nonsense) to claim that Microsoft would intentionally release an update to break users systems.Robert ninja wrote: »They flushed their entire QA department 4 years ago.
Ah I remember that big old claim too. Shame it was massively inaccurate and actually related to the culling of Nokia (a genuine tragedy in itself).
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/08/how-microsoft-dragged-its-development-practices-into-the-21st-century/4/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12763389
Oh, and here's the link to the Insider program, which is their Beta testing system.
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The negative is when it's not microsoft and the positive is when it's by microsoft? Sorry but the bias there is showing. Notifications are subtle and off by default in any sane environment. They also don't take any action unlike I've seen windows doing when the user fails to tell it to stop. Timebomb 'notifications', just more pushing and shoving of the user that they love.There's a difference between a pop up (negative) and a system notification (positive)
Maybe you wouldn't hear the same responses if you didn't also repeat yourself: "Happens elsewhere" isn't a defense of windows. It doesn't happen on my system or any linux install I've ever used. Nothing should be forced. User is the alpha and the omega, or ought to be. But to windows the user is a product... at best.The -only- time you can't dismiss a system/security update with Windows is when you've done it repeatedly and it's being treated as urgent. Again, this happens on MacOS and ChromeOS and I believe on a few variants of Linux/Debian/Mint.
No matter how many times you say X thing that has the exact characteristics of malware, isn't malware, doesn't make it so. I guess you simply can't accept it because it's by MC or for a product you like. None of the linux installations I've ever used prompted me with a window where there was no real way to say no, switched yes/no around to trick me to misclick or highlighted a button that looked like the install button to make me download some other crap they make money from.Again. Not malware. Also not misleading. "System update" is not misleading. It's literally saying what it is. And again (and all following points) each other OS does this.
It's called backpedalling because they didn't listen the first time (because they don't care until it causes huge outrage). Also I think W10 is largely based on plasma, a Linux environment. A recent leak also shows that it's transforming into what looks very like gnome.Yup, it's called customer feedback.
It's usually the other way around. A lot of distros experiment and come up with new things that the mainstream eventually adopts like I just linked. But I'll admit it's kind of comparing apples to oranges because the way windows decisions get made doesn't really apply to the linux landscape.Linux tends to have a lot of new features added which are -already- on Windows and MacOS. Yes, I use Debian on a dual-boot and the additional customization is great.
Not brick as in BSOD (although that happened with W10 a few times I think by accident) but they have indeed compromised security multiple times and work alphabet organisations to install backdoors. Yeah to the average user this isn't a concern but it ultimately means there's no security on windows. That's why nobody uses windows for anything important unless MC have literally swooped in to make deals, which MC does all the time to stay relevant to their biggest customersIt's a hell of a claim (and more conspiracy nonsense) to claim that Microsoft would intentionally release an update to break users systems.
You laugh at the 'conspiracies' yet 90% of the stuff I've mentioned is outright admitted by microsoft (sometimes in court) or proven by test. It's not some state secret :rolleyes: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/295445-microsoft-really-doesnt-want-you-to-use-a-local-windows-account
It's also a shame that W10 lifecycle has suffered almost exactly as if it has no QA. What are the odds.Ah I remember that big old claim too. Shame it was massively inaccurate
Ah jeez thanks dude. Here's a link to the some of the public PR and astroturfing services microsoft paysOh, and here's the link to the Insider program, which is their Beta testing system.
https://www.we-worldwide.com/
https://www.edelman.com/
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/visibletechnologies
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Forcing updates is what closes security holes. All those out of date Linux kernels running out there are just waiting to be exploited.
Linux updates are actually tremendously less stable than Windows ones. I've had countless distros break after official updates due to poor oversight by the distro contributors. Broken X, drivers, in one or two cases deleted data. Never happens on Windows. I disable updates in Linux because I know something will break. Don't need to do that in Windows. Microsoft has exposure, it has share holders and a share price, it has to attract talent to employee. Linux doesn't, some freelancer pushes a distro update that bricks everyone's install? Whoops, but no real repercussions.
Another incredibly frustrating part about Linux is just how much changes arbitrarily between versions. Some random person decides that menu item should be gone or that shortcut should change. You want it back? Go ahead, fork it and maintain it yourself.
I admire your dedication to the Linux cause but I think your blind faith is a little naive. Microsoft has tens of thousands of past, present and future employees, some of them people you've met or are friends with maybe. And they're not all in one big conspiracy to get Robert ninja. They're just engineers building a system for the most common PC users.
Me personally, I maintain both Windows and Linux servers (Windows server 2003-2019 with the odd NT system (usually dcs protected) and Linux mostly red hat with a few cent os and ubuntu systems).
I don't think I've seen anyone work on both red hat and windows and say windows is more stable than red hat linux.
Sure if you are using a cutting edge distro you might have issues but you select these distros as you want to experiment and give you the latest versions but Redhat is nearly always a much faster stable base to run apps from I find.
Btw up until Win 10 I had no interest in moving to Linux as a desktop for my main rig. I was a windows desktop fan. I even loved Vista and windows 8 base (admittedly I had a very high specced rig at the time of Vista so I had no issues unlike other users bar a wireless driver that bricked my system when I didn't use a generic driver - manufacturer issue not microsoft).
Windows 10 forces updates as they don't want to pay for as many testers if they can force updates out on standard users. They use these users (ie me and you) as guinea pigs.
They admitted to putting users running Windows 10 pro into beta programs for patches if they even clicked update patches once without telling them which caused me no amount of headaches until I figured it out.
I ended up just joining my system to a domain and manage my patches with an Altiris patch management server to remove Microsoft randomly throwing out broken patches.
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Wasn't Windows 10 deleting millions of users data recently because of an untested patch?
Broken X, drivers. This always happens on windows? Its one of the biggest reasons I'm in a high paying job. Fixing things when Windows breaks stuff 0 -
Malarkey. W10 is one of the least, if not the least secure desktop platform and has had objectively more numerous and severe security and privacy issues than previous iterations and other platform. And this iteration is the last one according to MC too so we're stuck with it till the stars burn out. If one keeps up with practically any impartial or non-mainstream technology podcast or blog, it's 100:1 for objectively negative windows news vs linux.Forcing updates is what closes security holes. All those out of date Linux kernels running out there are just waiting to be exploited.
You say that like it's a good thing. It answers to investors, governments, spying agencies and communist states with favoritism and other big tech giants. I'm none of those. The user is the product in windows now - they're trying to be google or apple. Not my cuppaMicrosoft has exposure, it has share holders and a share price
There is no cause :pac:. Or if there is it's a lost oneI admire your dedication to the Linux cause I doubt linux will ever be mainstream like windows and that's honestly ok because it doesn't have to. I just wish MC would stop trying to sabotage open source and linux related things, especially gaming via things like direct X 
Yeah and not one of them is microsoft. People are not corporationsMicrosoft has tens of thousands of past, present and future employees, some of them people you've met or are friends with maybe.
Of course not. Most people just use what works for em' or is default (MC made sure to be the default). Anyone parroting microsoft talking points has probably just been reading their funded outputs for years. 1And they're not all in one big conspiracy to get Robert ninja
It is a little funny though. If you read back a few posts all I was mentioning was my dislike for windows and how I chose linux as my main gaming platform whose flaws I've come to accept. It was everyone else who came runnin' to MC's defense and try to counter everything positive about linux. I'm not comin' back ya hear! :P At least not on any machine I ever have authority over.
I've got absolutely nothing against the little guy making profit off of working for a big tech company like MC. These companies tend to have a life of their own or a couple of beady-eyed leads that stink up the whole thing. Happens with most big tech as we've seen. Can't blame someone for wanting a well paid job that they're interested in. Hell you wouldn't see me quickly turn down a job at MC - they use linux afterall :pac:They're just engineers building a system for the most common PC users
Look I won't pick apart every little thing here. There's lots of problems with every OS. I don't think linux distros are perfect, far F'ing from it. It's just the best alt to windows as a desktop imo. But I have uncommon taste so I know it's not the popular opinion. And I think it's safer to say I was pushed AWAY from windows onto linux than I was drawn to linux from windows.[various linux criticisms]0 -
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The fragmentation argument has never floated though, since 1999 has been debunked. Choice and customisation is one of the draws of the platform. There's a bunch of different PDF viewers on windows but those users don't have meltdown about all that choice. But with things like the DE there's actually a choice on linux so... it's different I remember I used to use stardock solutions to try and change Windows 7 interface to be more functional and that was before I'd ever touched a linux system.
Since I mentioned PDFs though I have to post this halirious video of a guy getting so mad at how bad Adobe Reader is
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