11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

DontThankMe

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

And if it wasn't illegal it'd still be dangerous yeah?

Just like this could still be dangerous for the child's development even though it falls within the law

Legality is not the arbiter of right/wrong

It might not be dangerous if you were thought how to drive a car at a young age and were therefore, capable of driving a car.

The point I have previously made is that we will not know if this will be dangerous for the child's development because it is too early to tell. We will only know if it has harmed his development in in the long run in the future. It is impossible to tell what harm if any it is currently doing to the development of the child.

DontThankMe

cdeb wrote: »

It's also what is usually done at a lap dance.

Why do you choose to see it as one but not the other?

Becuase he is not dancing on anyone's lap that's the distinction for me.

The Pheasant2

DontThankMe wrote: »

It might not be dangerous if you were thought how to drive a car at a young age and were therefore, capable of driving a car.

The point I have previously made is that we will not know if this will be dangerous for the child's development because it is too early to tell. We will only know if it has harmed his development in in the long run in the future. It is impossible to tell what harm if any it is currently doing to the development of the child.

This is a child's life not some kind of experiment...

What do we say if in 10 years he's completely ****ed up?
Shrug and say "Oh well"??

Omackeral

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

This is a child's life not some kind of experiment...

What do we say if in 10 years he's completely ****ed up?
Shrug and say "Oh well"??

No, we say

DontThankMe wrote: »

so be it.

Sleeper12

DontThankMe wrote:

Becuase he is not dancing on anyone's lap that's the distinction for me.

Strippers don't always dance on your lap. This costs extra I believe. However they do prance around the stage and people do throw money at them on stage. Very like this kid

cdeb

DontThankMe wrote: »

Becuase he is not dancing on anyone's lap that's the distinction for me.

Wow. So that makes it alright so?

Why don't you consider it a table dance so? Same tipping issue. Is it because there's no table?

DontThankMe

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

This is a child's life not some kind of experiment...

What do we say if in 10 years he's completely ****ed up?
Shrug and say "Oh well"??

And what if it turned out that he would have been completely fine in 10 years but his parents controlled him at the time and didn't allow him to do what they wanted to do (within reason).

So he ended up resenting his parents, hanging out with the wrong crowd and turned to drugs and then ended up being just as ****ed up as some posters think he will be in the future if he continues on the current path that he is on.

antodeco

DontThankMe wrote: »

It might not be dangerous if you were thought how to drive a car at a young age and were therefore, capable of driving a car.

The point I have previously made is that we will not know if this will be dangerous for the child's development because it is too early to tell. We will only know if it has harmed his development in in the long run in the future. It is impossible to tell what harm if any it is currently doing to the development of the child.

Just this last point. I'm fairly positive there have been studies done on early application of sexualisation towards children being negative towards their normal development. Not explicitly physical, but mental desensitizing towards normal sexual boundaries and self involvement in same.

Omackeral

DontThankMe wrote: »

his parents controlled him at the time and didn't allow him to do what they wanted to do (within reason).

Oh the horror!

DontThankMe wrote: »

So he ended up resenting his parents, hanging out with the wrong crowd and turned to drugs

and becomes a stripper. Wait, he already basically is one.

tayto lover

If I stay on this thread I'll be banned for sure, so I'm getting out.

Zorya

DontThankMe wrote: »

And what if it turned out that he would have been completely fine in 10 years but his parents controlled him at the time and didn't allow him to do what they wanted to do (within reason).

So he ended up resenting his parents, hanging out with the wrong crowd and turned to drugs and then ended up being just as ****ed up as some posters think he will be in the future if he continues on the current path that he is on.

It's not about one child though, is it. Desmond is a symptom of a society that can hardly tell its arse from its elbow. He is celebrated on mainstream day time TV as trail blazing, inspirational, ''the future of America''.

It's about a society having a - gosh, I can't say 'moral fabric' because that is so unfashionable, nowadays - a line in the sand, maybe?

We have swung too far in what is acceptable for children to be able to do now. Fcuk, I don't even care if it is square to say that.

_Whimsical_

One of the most surprising things I have seen in TV in recent years was on This Morning, the ITV morning TV show for housewives and stay at home mothers. They featured a little 9yr old boy and his mum from Canada. The little boy was a drag Queen at 8 with drag queen name Lactatia, in reference to breast lactation.
There were videos of him dancing on stage in "sexy" dresses for mobs of baying adult men.

Most frightening was the reaction of the hosts of This Morning, Philip Schofield and Holly Willoby. They were positively cooing their approval, "how lucky you are to have such an understanding mum to let you live out your dream to dance for men", "and you picked this lovely name Lactatia yourself? Of course you did, clever child", "what a great and touching example of how to truly love and accept a 9 year old like this". It was really very worrying. It felt like a concerted effort to elevate this utter insanity to the realm of an expression of love for your child and a value to aspire to.

A few years ago it would've been too objectionable for a show like Eurotrash, suddenly its reframed as "family values" segment in a daytime show for stay at home mums. It made me incredibly uncomfortable that such ideas were creeping in on TV shows for impressionable people who look to mainstream hosts for cooking and medical advice. I definitely think someone somewhere is pulling the strings with very nefarious intent, I don't believe for a second this is something that's springing up organically, it really is a case of "if you tolerate this then YOUR children will be next".

Galwayguy35

What the hell was an 11 year old kid doing in a club dancing in front of adult men.

If it was an 11 year old girl in a club dancing in front of men I think we would be calling them paedos and rightly so because it's only sickos that want to see that kind of thing.

Zorya

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

One of the most surprising things I have seen in TV in recent years was on This Morning, the ITV morning TV show for housewives and stay at home mothers. They featured a little 9yr old boy and his mum from Canada. The little boy was a drag Queen at 8 with drag queen name Lactatia, in reference to breast lactation.
There were videos of him dancing on stage in "sexy" dresses for mobs of baying adult men.

Most frightening was the reaction of the hosts of This Morning, Philip Schofield and Holly Willoby. They were positively cooing their approval, "how lucky you are to have such an understanding mum to let you live out your dream to dance for men", "and you picked this lovely name Lactatia yourself? Of course you did, clever child", "what a great and touching example of how to truly love and accept a 9 year old like this". It was really very worrying. It felt like a concerted effort to elevate this utter insanity to the realm of an expression of love for your child and a value to aspire to.

A few years ago it would've been too objectionable for a show like Eurotrash, suddenly its reframed as "family values" segment in a daytime show for stay at home mums. It made me incredibly uncomfortable that such ideas were creeping in on TV shows for impressionable people who look to mainstream hosts for cooking and medical advice. I definitely think someone somewhere is pulling the strings with very nefarious intent, I don't believe for a second this is something that's springing up organically, it really is a case of "if you tolerate this then YOUR children will be next".

Yes it is real insanity. It is connected to so many other things too.

The Pheasant2

DontThankMe wrote: »

And what if it turned out that he would have been completely fine in 10 years but his parents controlled him at the time and didn't allow him to do what they wanted to do (within reason).

So he ended up resenting his parents, hanging out with the wrong crowd and turned to drugs and then ended up being just as ****ed up as some posters think he will be in the future if he continues on the current path that he is on.

I feel like it's faaairly easy in this situation to identify which path has the higher likelihood of him turning to drugs or whatever...

You're being obtuse

Brian?

backspin. wrote: »

If this was an 11 year old girl dancing infront of adult men there would be absolute outrage and rightly so. I just don't get why there is such support of this obvious abuse of a young boy.

We live in really f**ked up times.

Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Brian? wrote: »

Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

While also obscene, they tend to be less sexualised. The US is just crazy.

cdeb

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

While also obscene, they tend to be less sexualised. The US is just crazy.

And they tend to be sexualised enough as it is, let's be honest.

Though at least they're put across as a competition between children. What's this?

ceadaoin.

Brian? wrote: »

Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

In fairness, there are lots of comments made about those too. In fact, I would say most people would be against those. I can't imagine an article proclaiming how great the pageants are appearing in a mainstream media source or the participants and their parents being lauded on national television. They are usually the subject of ridicule, if not outrage, and rightly so imo.

How come it's ok to question child beauty pageants but questioning this means you're a raging right wing bigot?

Brian?

backspin. wrote: »

He is 11. He is too young to even understand the danger he is in psychologically or even physically.

You might want to ring the Gardaí so about the Billy Barry kids. They’re up late every year I watch the Late Late toy show, dancing around like fierce deviants.

antodeco

Brian? wrote: »

Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

Do audience members throw dollar bills at the performers?
Also, what percentage of the audience at a pageant have their own children performing? I'd assume it would be greater than 75% at least?

Also, as wrong as this is, there is a difference between a "contest" and a performance.

By the way, I'm not pro beauty pageant by the way. I think they do have the same sexualisation application towards children. The difference though is the pageant is positioned as contest between several kids, where the audience is mainly parents of other performers, so slightly more accepted publicly.

ArchXStanton

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

One of the most surprising things I have seen in TV in recent years was on This Morning, the ITV morning TV show for housewives and stay at home mothers. They featured a little 9yr old boy and his mum from Canada. The little boy was a drag Queen at 8 with drag queen name Lactatia, in reference to breast lactation.
There were videos of him dancing on stage in "sexy" dresses for mobs of baying adult men.

Most frightening was the reaction of the hosts of This Morning, Philip Schofield and Holly Willoby. They were positively cooing their approval, "how lucky you are to have such an understanding mum to let you live out your dream to dance for men", "and you picked this lovely name Lactatia yourself? Of course you did, clever child", "what a great and touching example of how to truly love and accept a 9 year old like this". It was really very worrying. It felt like a concerted effort to elevate this utter insanity to the realm of an expression of love for your child and a value to aspire to.

A few years ago it would've been too objectionable for a show like Eurotrash, suddenly its reframed as "family values" segment in a daytime show for stay at home mums. It made me incredibly uncomfortable that such ideas were creeping in on TV shows for impressionable people who look to mainstream hosts for cooking and medical advice. I definitely think someone somewhere is pulling the strings with very nefarious intent, I don't believe for a second this is something that's springing up organically, it really is a case of "if you tolerate this then YOUR children will be next".

I'd have to agree, there's been a push for all sorts of bizarre behaviour the last few years and a lot of useful idiots to cheerlead it on... Usually of the purple haired variety

Galwayguy35

Brian? wrote: »

You might want to ring the Gardaí so about the Billy Barry kids. They’re up late every year I watch the Late Late toy show, dancing around like fierce deviants.

Maybe read this again and it might sink in how ridiculous the comparison you are making is.

tayto lover

Brian? wrote: »

You might want to ring the Gardaí so about the Billy Barry kids. They’re up late every year I watch the Late Late toy show, dancing around like fierce deviants.

Are they being sexualised though?

Sweetemotion

Brian? wrote: »

You might want to ring the Gardaí so about the Billy Barry kids. They’re up late every year I watch the Late Late toy show, dancing around like fierce deviants.

FFS Brian? Step away from the computer and have a long walk and a good think to yourself.

Brian?

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

While also obscene, they tend to be less sexualised. The US is just crazy.

I don’t think they less sexualised. They just confirm to heterosexual norms in terms of sexualisation.

I was being a bit glib in my argument. But I firmly believe what really makes people uncomfortable is the face it’s a young boy and gay audiences. It grates against current social norms. There is still a wide spread association between bring gay and being a pederast, which is completely inaccurate.

DaverageJoe

Brian? wrote: »

Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

As messed up as those pageants are it's still not a crowd of drunk men in a bar throwing money and cheering on a child dancing in a sexual way.

Church on Tuesday

Think social services may need to check in with Desmond and his folks.

Brian?

DaverageJoe wrote: »

As messed up as those pageants are it's still not a crowd of drunk men in a bar throwing money and cheering on a child dancing in a sexual way.

Dancing around pretending to be Gwen Stefani.

pleas advice

This shıt is bananas

Brian?

Sweetemotion wrote: »

FFS Brian? Step away from the computer and have a long walk and a good think to yourself.

No. How about you make an actual point instead of trying to be a moral authority?

I made a joke. Everyone needs to stop being so ****ing outraged by things they don’t like or agree with.

Some people are entertained by a young fella dancing around pretending to be Gwen Stefani. Get over it. You can dislike something without the outrage.

Brian?

pleas advice wrote: »

This shıt is bananas

Brilliant.

cdeb

Brian? wrote: »

Some people are entertained by a young fella dancing around pretending to be Gwen Stefani. Get over it. You can dislike something without the outrage.

Does it take much effort to be that blinkered?

Sweetemotion

Brian? wrote: »

No. How about you make an actual point instead of trying to be a moral authority?

I made a joke. Everyone needs to stop being so ****ing outraged by things they don’t like or agree with.

Some people are entertained by a young fella dancing around pretending to be Gwen Stefani. Get over it. You can dislike something without the outrage.

Your making excuses as to why the whoring out this 11 year old boy is ok.

By comparing it with the Barry Kids on the late late toy show, it's so ridiculous and you want me to try and make a point as to why it isn't. Cope on.

Brian?

ceadaoin. wrote: »

In fairness, there are lots of comments made about those too. In fact, I would say most people would be against those. I can't imagine an article proclaiming how great the pageants are appearing in a mainstream media source or the participants and their parents being lauded on national television. They are usually the subject of ridicule, if not outrage, and rightly so imo.

How come it's ok to question child beauty pageants but questioning this means you're a raging right wing bigot?

Who’s accusing people of being right wing bigots?

Child pageants are stupid. This is stupid. People on this thread are outraged about one. That’s stupid.

I find neither entertaining and neither outrageous. It’s incredibly hypocritical to say if it was a girl the more left wing amongst us would be outraged when critiquing this young fella. When pageants continue with little outrage. This is my point.

I do envy his ability to dance like Gwen Stefani though. I wish

Jumbo2018

Brian? wrote: »

I don’t think they less sexualised. They just confirm to heterosexual norms in terms of sexualisation.

I was being a bit glib in my argument. But I firmly believe what really makes people uncomfortable is the face it’s a young boy and gay audiences. It grates against current social norms. There is still a wide spread association between bring gay and being a pederast, which is completely inaccurate.

So a young girl wearing very little and dancing in front of a crowd of men who are throwing money at her would be perfectly acceptable?

Brian?

cdeb wrote: »

Does it take much effort to be that blinkered?

Nah. It simple enough. You just don’t get outraged by stuff you see on the internet. It’s really that easy.

Gatling

Brian? wrote: »

Dancing around pretending to be Gwen Stefani.

Doesn't matter who he's impersonating ,he's a young boy being used a sudopeodo entertainment in a gay club ,
This is not pageantry this is pure man /boy fantasy ,
I don't agree with pageants or anything like it either and this is nothing to do with straight Vs gay ,
This is wrong on every level

cdeb

Brian? wrote: »

Nah. It simple enough. You just don’t get outraged by stuff you see on the internet. It’s really that easy.

So you apologise for it and then afterwards claim you were only joking?

Gotcha

Sweetemotion

Can't believe people are actually trying to defend this.

Brian?

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Your making excuses as to why the whoring out this 11 year old boy is ok.

I am not. If the child was being whored out I’m be extremely angry no one was arrested for it. This child isn’t being whored out though is he?

You can’t change the meaning of a word to fuel your righteous indignation.

By comparing it with the Barry Kids on the late late toy show, it's so ridiculous and you want me to try and make a point as to why it isn't. Cope on.

I’m coping well thanks. A little heart burn, but otherwise good. You?

It was a joke. Turn down your outrage

DontThankMe

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Can't believe people are actually trying to defend this.

We maybe in the minority but we believe there is nothing wrong with what he is doing.

Brian?

Jumbo2018 wrote: »

So a young girl wearing very little and dancing in front of a crowd of men who are throwing money at her would be perfectly acceptable?

I’m not a moral authority. It’s not up to me what’s unacceptable. If it’s legal, what can I do?

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So in summary; we aren't allowed to get angry by this as we shouldn't be outraged by things we read on the internet. Even though it's a factual story regarding an eleven year old boy dressing in drag and dancing for a club full of adults.

Can people be that blinded by their ideology?

Brian?

Kynlee Wrong Underpass wrote: »

So in summary; we aren't allowed to get angry by this as we shouldn't be outraged by things we read on the internet. Even though it's a factual story regarding an eleven year old boy dressing in drag and dancing for a club full of adults.

I think the outrage is a bit much. Yes.

Can people be that in blinded by their ideology?

What ideology?

Omackeral

Brian? wrote: »

No. How about you make an actual point instead of trying to be a moral authority?

I made a joke. Everyone needs to stop being so ****ing outraged by things they don’t like or agree with.

Some people are entertained by a young fella dancing around pretending to be Gwen Stefani. Get over it. You can dislike something without the outrage.

Not quite that simple though is it? Where is it taking place. Why are they throwing money at him in the same seedy fashion that a stripper gets it?


It is outrageous tbh and I'm glad the majority on here feel the same way. Restores your faith a bit.

ceadaoin.

DontThankMe wrote: »

We maybe in the minority but we believe there is nothing wrong with what he is doing.

So you would also be ok with an 11 year old girl performing for adult men in a club who were throwing money at her? After all that's the norm in strip clubs isn't it? Why do you think there is nothing wrong with the sexualisation of children?

_Kaiser_

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Can't believe people are actually trying to defend this.

It's the usual story.. ideology and the need to show "progressive" they are, over basic cop on.

Anyone trying to defend the subject of this thread needs to have a serious look at themselves. These are impressionable and vulnerable children that are being exploited, end of.

It's wrong, and investigations and charges should follow. No amount of virtue-signalling crapology will change that

Sweetemotion

DontThankMe wrote: »

We maybe in the minority but we believe there is nothing wrong with what he is doing.

Damn right you're in the minority.

Omackeral

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Can't believe people are actually trying to defend this.

Thankfully it's literally one or two people only. Thankfully.