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11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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  • #2372
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    splashuum wrote: »
    So it appears this sh$te hasnt stopped just yet. School Apologises After 11-Year-Olds Told to Define Transgender, ‘Hardcore Pornography’ as Homework

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/05/19/school-apology-define-transgender-porn/?fbclid=IwAR3zDoEzufJlrlcYCXf1DYJtKg6etAA4_dr14dqpIho_YFUSOqXyUgOW0Sw

    I’m really hoping this isn’t true.


  • #2373
    Portmanteau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭Portmanteau


    "Define hardcore porn" - wtaf?!


  • #2374
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Mrs Taylor, who has children at the academy, said she was “fuming” over the task, explaining: “My daughter is still very much a child, we’ve still got magic elves, her bedroom is done in My Little Pony. She is very innocent and naive. “She was only in primary school last year living her best life, now she is being asked to search for hardcore pornography,”

    poor child will be scarred for life if shes googling hardcore porn, then searches for My Little Pony ...


  • #2375
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,314 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I’m really hoping this isn’t true.

    It seems to be true. Here is the local news report

    https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/yorkshire-news/mum-fuming-daughter-porn-homework-18278401

    I saw also a youth group in the UK is now running a trans only tops optional swimming groups for 8-25 year olds. They also invite "young people" aged 8-30 to discuss their bodies. Since when are young people grouped together into those age brackets? What could possibly go wrong? Its straight from the Yaniv playbook isn't it? I hope these obvious grooming groups under the guise of charities are being investigated. Its a ticking time bomb

    http://genderedintelligence.co.uk/swimming


  • #2376
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It seems to be true. Here is the local news report

    https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/yorkshire-news/mum-fuming-daughter-porn-homework-18278401

    I saw also a youth group in the UK is now running a trans only tops optional swimming groups for 8-25 year olds. So young kids and adults together , with no guardians. They also invite "young people" aged 8-30 to discuss their bodies. Since when are young people grouped into those age brackets? Its straight from the Yaniv playbook isn't it? I hope these obvious grooming groups under the guise of charities are being investigated. Its a ticking time bomb

    http://genderedintelligence.co.uk/swimming

    That is very odd. There is a major difference between 8 year old and 30 years old. Who approves these things?


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  • #2377
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It seems to be true. Here is the local news report

    https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/yorkshire-news/mum-fuming-daughter-porn-homework-18278401

    I saw also a youth group in the UK is now running a trans only tops optional swimming groups for 8-25 year olds. They also invite "young people" aged 8-30 to discuss their bodies. Since when are young people grouped together into those age brackets? What could possibly go wrong? Its straight from the Yaniv playbook isn't it? I hope these obvious grooming groups under the guise of charities are being investigated. Its a ticking time bomb

    http://genderedintelligence.co.uk/swimming

    Thats totally misrepresenting it

    A Parental consent needed if you’re under 16.

    B Changing rooms will be separated into children and adults.

    C Large youth work team present.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2378
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I saw also a youth group in the UK is now running a trans only tops optional swimming groups for 8-25 year olds. They also invite "young people" aged 8-30 to discuss their bodies. Since when are young people grouped together into those age brackets? What could possibly go wrong? Its straight from the Yaniv playbook isn't it? I hope these obvious grooming groups under the guise of charities are being investigated. Its a ticking time bomb

    http://genderedintelligence.co.uk/swimming

    My immediate response to that is suspicion. What is the goal here? Why do they even have to highlight that your bottom half should be covered. That should go without saying.


  • #2379
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    My immediate response to that is suspicion. What is the goal here?

    Swimming :rolleyes:

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2380
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Swimming :rolleyes:

    Why do they need to highlight that your bottom half should be covered? Why would that need to be said? The age grouping is also odd. Children are generally boring to adults and vice versa.


  • #2381
    Still waters
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Thats totally misrepresenting it

    A Parental consent needed if you’re under 16.

    B Changing rooms will be separated into children and adults.

    C Large youth work team present.

    1. Plenty paedophiles have kids or were in positions of authority over kids, i would regard any parent who would give permission for a child to go to something like this as unfit to parent and a child welfare officer should become involved

    2. Who watches the kids to make sure no adult can gain access to kids whilst they change, foxes in charge of a hen house comes to mind

    3. Picked by whom, any adult that would put their name forward to monitor children in a swimming pool unless a lifeguard or member of the facility should be regarded with suspicion


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  • #2382
    Still waters
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    My immediate response to that is suspicion. What is the goal here? Why do they even have to highlight that your bottom half should be covered. That should go without saying.

    It needs to be said because there's going to be animals who are attracted to children who would prefer to be naked around young children


  • #2383
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,314 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Thats totally misrepresenting it

    A Parental consent needed if you’re under 16.

    B Changing rooms will be separated into children and adults.

    C Large youth work team present.

    Its implied that parents are excluded from participating.
    "Trans only" and it mentions a "drop off point" of a train station. You can't see any potential for anything going wrong there? I've never seen parents discouraged from attending such things before (well I have, when Jessica yaniv was trying to organize a similar thing)


    Luckily I can't imagine any parents of kids as young as 8 would be that blase about their child's wellbeing but you never know.


  • #2384
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Its implied that parents are excluded from participating.
    "Trans only" and it mentions a "drop off point" of a train station. You can't see any potential for anything going wrong there? I've never seen parents discouraged from attending such things before (well I have, when Jessica yaniv was trying to organize a similar thing)


    Luckily I can't imagine any parents of kids as young as 8 would be that blase about their child's wellbeing but you never know.

    Yeah, to me it reads like chancing their arm, trying to find the kids with less vigilant parents.

    And I should point out that this would set off alarms bells no matter who was organising it. If it wasn’t a transgender event but everything else was exactly the same, I’d be just as perturbed.


  • #2385
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Yeah, to me it reads like chancing their arm, trying to find the kids with less vigilant parents.

    And I should point out that this would set off alarms bells no matter who was organising it. If it wasn’t a transgender event but everything else was exactly the same, I’d be just as perturbed.

    If one were to insert the title “Fr” or “Rev” in front of organisers’ names, and see how that might come across in light of revelations from the past. Every generation creates its own status quo “respectability” to cover wrongdoings.


  • #2386
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Its implied that parents are excluded from participating.
    "Trans only" and it mentions a "drop off point" of a train station. You can't see any potential for anything going wrong there? I've never seen parents discouraged from attending such things before (well I have, when Jessica yaniv was trying to organize a similar thing)


    Luckily I can't imagine any parents of kids as young as 8 would be that blase about their child's wellbeing but you never know.

    I don't see the issue no - not when the three things I listed are there.

    Parental consent needed if you’re under 16.

    Changing rooms will be separated into children and adults.

    Large youth work team present.

    This is kinda like the paediatrician/paedophile thing to be honest where some people are pretty much finding child abuse where none exists.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2387
    Portmanteau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭Portmanteau


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If one were to insert the title “Fr” or “Rev” in front of organisers’ names, and see how that might come across .
    And it wouldn't be downplayed by folk anxious to look liberal at all costs.


  • #2388
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,314 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I don't see the issue no - not when the three things I listed are there.

    Parental consent needed if you’re under 16.

    Changing rooms will be separated into children and adults.

    Large youth work team present.

    This is kinda like the paediatrician/paedophile thing to be honest where some people are pretty much finding child abuse where none exists.

    No, its nothing like that. Clearly you're blind to the blatant safeguarding issues and potential for abuse simply because you believe in the cause. Why can't the parents attend? Does that not raise flags for you? Even from a practical point of view, my 8 year old would need a bit of help getting sorted after swimming. Who is going to do that? These "youth workers"? Are they fully background checked? Youd think it would mention that seeing as most parents would have concerns. But no, obviously you can't question lest you be labeled a bigot. When it comes to the safety of children though, no organisation or group should be immune to questioning. We all know how that goes

    Try and look it from an outside perspective. Any organisation that seeks to separate children as young as 8 from their caregivers and that doesn't actively encourage parental participation should arouse suspicion. That has people aged 8-25 classed as the same group. History shows us that abusers flock to these type of setups. Its why safeguarding rules exist. This organisation and others are opening themselves up to a lot of potential for things going wrong which youd think would be the last thing they'd want.


  • #2389
    rapul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭rapul


    Sweet jesus, disturbing


  • #2390
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    What's the problem with parents going? Should they not be encouraged to go to support their child.


    Trans or not I dont know any 8 year olds who hang out with 25 year olds or Visa versa. Theres no 25 year olds in my local youth club.


  • #2391
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    No, its nothing like that. Clearly you're blind to the blatant safeguarding issues and potential for abuse simply because you believe in the cause. Why can't the parents attend? Does that not raise flags for you?

    Try and look it from an outside perspective. Any organisation that seeks to separate children as young as 8 from their caregivers and that doesn't actively encourage parental participation should arouse suspicion. History shows us that abusers flock to these type of setups. Its why safeguarding rules exist.

    There’s a real naivety around safeguarding issues when it involves people who are transgender that I find intensely irritating. To be fair, I think for many people, it comes from a good place. They haven’t really thought about it too hard and they think that people should not be vilified for being transgender. That’s fair. However, like in any walk of life, there will be people who want to take advantage of a situation and I believe some people are taking advantage of people’s need to be as inclusive as possible. I doubt anyone would be okay with this event as described if it was anything other than a transgender event.


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  • #2392
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    No, its nothing like that. Clearly you're blind to the blatant safeguarding issues and potential for abuse simply because you believe in the cause. Try and look it from an outside perspective. Any organisation that seeks to separate children as young as 8 from their caregivers and that doesn't actively encourage parental participation should arouse suspicion. History shows us that abusers flock to these type of setups. Its why safeguarding rules exist

    There's no need to lecture me about safeguarding. :rolleyes: They have clearly put in place all of those three measures in order to address safeguarding. I am looking at it from an outside perspective. Number 1 They are asking for parental consent for this - this is a clear safeguarding practice, Number 2 they are separating the changing rooms into adults and children - again a clear safeguarding practice, Number 3 - They have a large youth work team present. Youth workers in the UK are professionally obliged to safeguard young people under their occcupational standards. It's bizarre you overlook that. http://www.nya.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/National-Occupation-Standards-for-Youth-Work.pdf

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2393
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,314 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    There's no need to lecture me about safeguarding. :rolleyes: They have clearly put in place all of those three measures in order to address safeguarding. I am looking at it from an outside perspective. Number 1 They are asking for parental consent for this - this is a clear safeguarding practice, Number 2 they are separating the changing rooms into adults and children - again a clear safeguarding practice, Number 3 - They have a large youth work team present. Youth workers in the UK are professionally obliged to safeguard young people under their occcupational standards. It's bizarre you overlook that. http://www.nya.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/National-Occupation-Standards-for-Youth-Work.pdf

    Why are the parents discouraged from attending?


  • #2394
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Why are the parents discouraged from attending?

    Why are you implying that because this is a trans group that it is all about grooming and that the youth workers present do not adhere to their professional standards and do not carry out safeguarding practices?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2395
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    I'm trying to think of any other time I heard of some activity being for "8-30 year olds." What advice or support would the 8 year olds have to give the 30 year olds in the group sessions? How could they possibly be considered peers in a situation like this?


  • #2396
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Why are you implying that because this is a trans group that it is all about grooming and that the youth workers present do not adhere to their professional standards and do not carry out safeguarding practices?

    ANY youth event that discourages parents from being present should raise eyebrows. Parents aren’t always present at classes taken by kids or events for kids but you’ll be hard-pressed to find many that actively discourage parents from being present.


  • #2397
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    sabat wrote: »
    I'm trying to think of any other time I heard of some activity being for "8-30 year olds." What advice or support would the 8 year olds have to give the 30 year olds in the group sessions? How could they possibly be considered peers in a situation like this?

    I think it is certainly unusual but it's bizarre to imply that it's all about child abuse when they have put 3 safeguarding measures in place by asking for parental consent, by separating out the changing rooms and by having qualified youth workers (trained in safeguarding) present.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2398
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,314 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Why are you implying that because this is a trans group that it is all about grooming and that the youth workers present do not adhere to their professional standards and do not carry out safeguarding practices?

    I'm not implying that. I would question any group operating with such practices. Can you answer why parents are discouraged from attending? That's certainly unusual for a group with kids as young as 8 attending.


  • #2399
    glenfieldman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/vancouver-news/jessica-yaniv-langley-topless-swim-trans-activist-bc-1944804

    Peado scumbags


  • #2400
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I can only suggest that if some of you are that concerned about it then report it to Social Services in the UK

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #2401
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I can only suggest that if some of you are that concerned about it then report it to Social Services in the UK

    I have no doubt that it’s already been reported.

    Meanwhile, we’re discussing it here.


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