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11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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    #2492
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    They tell parents to stay off the pool deck which makes sense for many reasons. I can’t see them telling parents to leave the gallery area.

    Neither has the group who are organizing this swim session. It's a fabrication.

    Can ye stop making stuff up.


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    #2493
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    So you think thr majority of 10 year olds have sizeable breasts?

    Does it matter how many? Sweet moses. And the age group is 8-25. Many female minors in the age grouping 8-18 will have breasts. Honestly, even having to write this is giving me the creeps.


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    #2494
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    They are a good example to use actually. They were a group of people who were above society and could do what they wanted and some members of the trans movement believe they should be allowed to do what they want without question........so that's why I used the priests as an example.

    1950's Ireland - you can't question a priest's motives.
    2020's Ireland - you can't question a trans activist's motives.

    By the way, I'm not saying that trans activists are paedophiles. Nor am I saying that all priests are paedophiles either. But some are. And some trans activists are likely to be too.

    It's a child endangerment issue. You don't put children in vulnerable positions. I'm not saying that they would be abused if they went swimming with the trans group, I'm saying I don't want to ever put them in a position where they could be abused. I wouldn't want my kids going swimming with trans activists, catholic priests, the local snooker team....... I'm happy to let my kids go swimming with other kids, or with adults if I am there to supervise.



    The trans community are pretty new to the limelight, so I would say no. But time will tell. I'm sure there are dodgy members in the trans community, my workplace, my local snooker club etc.



    And you can crow all you like cheering for the endangerment of children.

    I absolutely agree that all groups can abuse. And children should be protected.

    But comparing any group to the Catholic Church in terms of child protection is completely inflammatory and leading. You must be able to see that.

    The issue with this thread is that lies are used to exaggerate the child endangerment issues. There is no indication that parents are forbidden. That there will be exposed teen breasts.

    The only issue I have is the age range being too wide. I would agree on that.


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    #2495
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Does it matter how many? Sweet moses. And the age group is 8-25. Many female minors in the age grouping 8-18 will have breasts. Honestly, even having to write this is giving me the creeps.

    And they can wear a female.swimsuit to cover their breasts. There is nothing to indicate that this is not what will happen


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    #2496
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Now you are saying they get puberty blockers and you just meant cross hormones. Puberty blockers would.block breast growth. Your argument makes no sense.

    Yes, a distinction is made between those things. I’m against both in minors. But a distinction is often made with the laughable claim being that puberty blockers are reversible whilst cross sex hormones are not.


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    #2497
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Not true

    Very true - there is no such thing as a transgender child. Children are children and trans or whatever else are not things any of them need to be concerned with or know about. If a child is claiming to be trans it’s because their parents have given them a nudge in that direction.


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    #2498
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Yes, a distinction is made between those things. I’m against both in minors. But a distinction is often made with the laughable claim being that puberty blockers are reversible whilst cross sex hormones are not.

    What has that got to do with your argument?

    Any trans children taking puberty blockers won't have breasts. Therefore they cannot expose their breasts.


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    #2499
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Very true - there is no such thing as a transgender child. Children are children and trans or whatever else are not things any of them need to be concerned with or know about. If a child is claiming to be trans it’s because their parents have given them a nudge in that direction.

    Still not true.


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    #2500
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Still not true.

    Your creepy deflections and whataboutery don’t change the fact that there isn’t a single child on this planet who knows about or believes they are transgender without adult interference


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    #2501
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,788 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    I absolutely agree that all groups can abuse. And children should be protected.

    But comparing any group to the Catholic Church in terms of child protection is completely inflammatory and leading. You must be able to see that.

    I was comparing them as groups who are above question........but yes I can see your point there.
    The issue with this thread is that lies are used to exaggerate the child endangerment issues. There is no indication that parents are forbidden. That there will be exposed teen breasts.

    That's not my argument. I haven't brought any of that into the debate.

    The only issue I have is the age range being too wide. I would agree on that.

    Here's my problem. Nothing to do with age range etc. It just shouldn't be happening with any child (under 18). You don't need to put children in a vulnerable position to teach them about being trans. And if you can't see that having children in a pool/dressing room area with strange adults (not family or firends), then you are wearing blinkers.

    By all means, teach kids about being trans, but not in a vulnerable setting.


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    #2502
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Your creepy deflections and whataboutery don’t change the fact that there isn’t a single child on this planet who knows about or believes they are transgender without adult interference

    You mean the word transgender? Of course a child doesn't know that word unless they are told. But they are still transgender.


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    #2503
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I was comparing them as groups who are above question........but yes I can see your point there.



    That's not my argument. I haven't brought any of that into the debate.




    Here's my problem. Nothing to do with age range etc. It just shouldn't be happening with any child (under 18). You don't need to put children in a vulnerable position to teach them about being trans. And if you can't see that having children in a pool/dressing room area with strange adults (not family or firends), then you are wearing blinkers.

    By all means, teach kids about being trans, but not in a vulnerable setting.

    I don't think it's anything to do with teaching kids about being trans. How can you do that by swimming? It's probably just a social group where they can be around people that are like them. I'm sure standard swimming pools have myriad issues around attire and changing rooms that are very alienating to trans kids.


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    #2504
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    You mean the word transgender? Of course a child doesn't know that word unless they are told. But they are still transgender.

    You know exactly what I mean.


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    #2505
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,788 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    I don't think it's anything to do with teaching kids about being trans. How can you do that by swimming? It's probably just a social group where they can be around people that are like them. I'm sure standard swimming pools have myriad issues around attire and changing rooms that are very alienating to trans kids.

    I'm trying not to be rude, but you are actually making the trans group seem worse.

    Let me spell it out loud, it's not normal for a group of adults to want to socialise with a group of kids in a swimming pool.

    Why in the name of fcuk would adults want to do that?

    And then from the parents point of view, why would you let your kids socialise with a group of adults in a swimming pool?

    Anyway, I'm out. I'm going to play clash of clans and give my head a rest. Have fun.


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    #2506
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'm trying not to be rude, but you are actually making the trans group seem worse.

    Let me spell it out loud, it's not normal for a group of adults to want to socialise with a group of kids in a swimming pool.

    Why in the name of fcuk would adults want to do that?

    And then from the parents point of view, why would you let your kids socialise with a group of adults in a swimming pool?

    Anyway, I'm out. I'm going to play clash of clans and give my head a rest. Have fun.

    I agree about the age range. It's far too broad.


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    #2507
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    http://www.edenderryswimmingpool.ie/Swimming%20Pool%20Policy%20Regarding%20Swimming%20Lessons.pdf

    Really? I guess edenderry swimming pool is a cover group for paedophiles too.

    And the swim Ireland site states that parents are only required to accompany their children if the child is 4 or under.

    Paedos paedos everywhere.

    That says the children will be escorted to and from the changing rooms where presumably the parents are, and that parents aren't allowed poolside but can be in the building. The other one says to drop off your kids at a train station in Central London. Bit different.


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    #2508
    [Deleted User]
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    LLMMLL wrote: »
    I agree about the age range. It's far too broad.

    Why?


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    #2509
    carolmon
    Registered Users Posts: 613 ✭✭✭carolmon


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I don't see the issue no - not when the three things I listed are there.

    Parental consent needed if you’re under 16.

    Changing rooms will be separated into children and adults.

    Large youth work team present.

    This is kinda like the paediatrician/paedophile thing to be honest where some people are pretty much finding child abuse where none exists.

    It states changing rooms will be separated between children and adults so I'm guessing not separated due to male or female?

    I'm wondering what age do they classify adult as beginning?

    Since you do not need parental permission from 16 up they may take 16 as the adult mixed changing room age... just think about that.


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    #2510
    LLMMLL
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    That says the children will be escorted to and from the changing rooms where presumably the parents are, and that parents aren't allowed poolside but can be in the building. The other one says to drop off your kids at a train station in Central London. Bit different.

    They don't specify that the parents are in the changing room.

    Let's actually examine your assumptions in the absence.of specification.

    One group (edenderry swimming pool) does not specify parebts roles in the activity. In the absence of information you make an assumption in their favour: that the parents are welcome up until after the changing rooms.

    Another group (trans rights group) also does not specify the parents roles in the activity. In the absence of information you make negative assumptions: that they are pruposely doing this, possibly for the pruposes of paediphilia. You also manipulate the language used citing "drop off point" and "leaving kids in central London" when the notice states "meeting point" with no implication of parental absence.

    But you're not prejudiced. You just make negative assumptions about one group and positive assumptions about another when you lack concrete info. Not prejudiced at all.


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    #2511
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    8 year olds have breasts?

    There is just no way to know what the situation is just because they haven't specified. I've never heard that it is a mantra among trans activists that teen children don't take hormone suppressants. I imagine in any trans groups of children and teens there would be many different situations. Some teens who identify as male might have breasts. Others mightn't. Non teens will not have breasts regardless.

    You have absolutely zero idea what the policy is. Implying paedophilia based on that is just astoundingly ridiculous.

    I’d like to clarify that I said it was a mantra that trans activist say minors don’t get surgery and CROSS hormones. You’re very right that they don’t say the same about puberty blockers. Because they can’t make that claim as minors ARE given puberty blockers. What they DO claim is that puberty blockers are reversible even though the data isn’t there to make that claim.


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    #2512
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I’d like to clarify that I said it was a mantra that trans activist say minors don’t get surgery and CROSS hormones. You’re very right that they don’t say the same about puberty blockers. Because they can’t make that claim as minors ARE given puberty blockers. What they DO claim is that puberty blockers are reversible even though the data isn’t there to make that claim.

    Why do you keep repeating this. It contradicts your assumption that there will be exposed breasts. You're just proving yourself wrong.


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    #2513
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Why do you keep repeating this. It contradicts your assumption that there will be exposed breasts. You're just proving yourself wrong.

    No, it doesn’t. :confused: Not every child who thinks they are trans will be on puberty blockers and as I’ve already said, girls can be preteens when they start developing breasts and therefore before blockers might even be started. Early breast development and menarche is far from unusual.


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    #2514
    LLMMLL
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    No, it doesn’t. :confused: Not every child who thinks they are trans will be on puberty blockers and as I’ve already said, girls can be preteens when they start developing breasts and therefore before blockers might even be started. Early breast development and menarche is far from unusual.

    And there is nothing that states that these children will not cover their breasts.


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    #2515
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Not sure it had been raised before but in my role as 'evil gay' I feel a duty to remind people that the kind of performance and behaviour we've been discussing here, triggers I would say about as much revulsion and disgust within the LGBT (or maybe just LGB) community as the wider one. I for one cannot wrap my head around the idea of these performances being anything other than a bizarre aping of the worst of the US Beauty Pageant phenomenon. Heck, I'm still taken aback by the idea of sexuality featuring to the extent it does in the curriculum at Primary Level. It seems quite disappointing to me that many years after the fight for gay marriage, that such actions and events could occur in what seems almost like a fevered attempt to give credence to the worst prognostications of various anti-LGBT groups.


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    #2516
    _Godot_
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    Blaze420 wrote: »
    You know exactly what I mean.


    I didn't know that word when I was a kid, I was still trans. I'm 37 now and still trans.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why?


    Different age groups have different attention spans, maybe learn a bit differently too. The approach to teaching different age groups is also different.


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    #2517
    [Deleted User]
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    _Godot_ wrote: »


    Different age groups have different attention spans, maybe learn a bit differently too. The approach to teaching different age groups is also different.

    So the only problem you see is that the children and adults may not be at the same level of swimming competency?


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    #2518
    splinter65
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So the only problem you see is that the children and adults may not be at the same level of swimming competency?

    Must...stay...on...message....must....not...concede.......that....some....adults.....may....pose....as....pro...trans....in....order...to....get....access....to.....vulnerable...kids....must....


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    #2519
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    does Glinner have an account on here? love your work


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    #2520
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    And there is nothing that states that these children will not cover their breasts.

    Still though, stating the bleeding obvious that bottoms should be worn but making no mention of the top half is not a good look. There should be no ambiguity.


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    #2521
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Still though, stating the bleeding obvious that bottoms should be worn but making no mention of the top half is not a good look. There should be no ambiguity.

    Well thabkfully we've got the paedophile hysteria in this thread down to "the notice could have been worded better".


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