Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019

Talisman

Fieldog wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/01/21/liverpool-expected-become-first-club-100m-annual-net-profit/

FSG out etc etc

For the "net spenders" on here....

No oil money in sight!

Speaking of no oil money - Crystal Palace are listed in the 20 highest-paying clubs. :eek:

Of the 20 highest-paying clubs, only two clubs, Crystal Palace (79 per cent) and AS Roma, recorded a wage bill of more than 70 per cent of total revenue.

Riesen_Meal

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Could buy Ruben Neves with 88m quid.

Linders buddy from when he was a teenager...

Turtyturd

Fromvert wrote: »

It's getting closer and closer to being back to back seasons where Lallana is on the fringe of the squad, doubt there'll be much confidence in the summer to move into the following year believing he can make himself available regularly. He'll be 31 starting next season and his body isn't getting stronger, would be very confident he's out the door but doubt he'll have many teams offering him a large salary.

17/18 - 4 starts and 12 sub appearances
18/19 - 3 starts and 6 sub appearances so far

That’s two more starts this season than I can remember.

magma69

I'd be happy to see Lallana sold this Summer. Massive injury/fitness issues and just hasn't been consistent enough bar a spell of a few months.

5starpool

Fieldog wrote: »

Linders buddy from when he was a teenager...

I bet the 20 year old Neves can barely remember when he was a teenager!

:pac:

Harry Palmr

Neves like Alli is just going to be another breakout youth player who got away. Ben Chilwell likewise.

Riesen_Meal

5starpool wrote: »

I bet the 20 year old Neves can barely remember when he was a teenager!

:pac:

Always thought he was a bit older!

"I remember I was 18...."

Etc etc

TitianGerm

Can got his first Juve goal tonight.

https://streamja.com/k3ME

Grayditch

TitianGerm wrote: »

Can got his first Juve goal tonight.

https://streamja.com/k3ME

Incredible marking, there.

Chesty08

Fromvert wrote: »

I'd guess most if not all of them were playing regular top league football by the ages of 19-21. Keepers I'd take out as it's usually an older guys position, CB's too but Ferdinand and Terry are probably exceptions to that rule as they were so good. Wilson will be 22 in two months and has yet to play in a top division.

Age has to be a consideration in this, he could become a regular player for it but at 22 soon and not one top league game under his belt I'd be leaning on the side of him playing out his career elsewhere.

You ever hear of late developers?

Do you know how old Virgil is?

Chesty08

IMO Wilson is a better option than Shaq

8-10

Chesty08 wrote: »

IMO Wilson is a better option than Shaq

To be on loan? I agree

Fromvert

Chesty08 wrote: »

You ever hear of late developers?

Do you know how old Virgil is?

Yes and VVD didnt just start playing football when he came to Liverpool. And as I mentioned GK and CB are usually positions that are kept for players with more experience. I cant think of many attacking players who didnt play a game in a top league at 22 and went on to have a career at a Champions League level club, Drogba is one exception I can think of.

Chesty08 wrote: »

IMO Wilson is a better option than Shaq

Ok, I very much doubt you'll be proven right with this opinion over the next few years.

Dickerty

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Neves like Alli is just going to be another breakout youth player who got away. Ben Chilwell likewise.

Chilwell would bother me more if we hadn't gotten Robertson. We were the only club to actively pursue him, and would have gotten him for a very modest amount. But still a lot more than we paid for Rob-inho!

Thud

TitianGerm wrote: »

Can got his first Juve goal tonight.

https://streamja.com/k3ME

Team mates run to celebrate with Ronaldo who had nothing to do with the goal

8-10

Thud wrote: »

Team mates run to celebrate with Ronaldo who had nothing to do with the goal

Probably in his contract

Fitz*

I'm just going through our squad list here and we may have a squad overhaul on our hands this summer, league title winner or not.

GK - Mignolet may want to leave to get first team action and play games. To be fair, we would have to respect that and let him off. Decent back up though.

LB - Moreno is leaving on a free transfer so we need another LB.

RB - Currently only have TAA as a specialist. Clyne will leave, Randall is gone too. So we need a back up RB.

CB - VVD, Gomez, Lovren, Matip is alright but if we go to upgrade any of the latter 2, I will not complain one bit.

CM - I think that Milner may leave to play for Leeds if they get promoted and again would have to respect his wishes there. Lallana is 30 now and may want to leave to get regular first team football also. That leaves Hendo, Fabinho, Gini, Keita and Ox. Possibly might need one more body here.

LW - we still only really have Mane for this position. Maybe bring in a versatile type player to cover here and striker possibly.

RW - Salah, Mane & Shaqiri . Sorted.

CF - Sturridge is leaving and Origi probably will do. Leaves us with just Firmino and Brewster. Need a striker and /or a versatile forward.


After adding them up, it looks like we are going to need a CF, RB, LB, CM and then possibly GK and CM.

gimli2112

Ya can't turn a £100M profit by making those kind of wholesale purchases. I'd expect some players coming in but would be surprised if it were more than 3. Even successful teams require a steady turnover of personnel and we're not there yet.
Of course if we fail I'll advocate we raze everything to the ground and start again. (not really)

Fitz*

Since Klopp has come in we have signed & sold around 4 or 5 every summer.

16/17:

Bought 5 - Mane, Wignaldum, Matip, Karius, Klavan (Manninger doesn't count!)
Sold 9 - Benteke, Ibe, Allen, Sakho, Skrtel, Luis Alberto, Smith, Toure, Balotelli ( 7 others also left that where not part of first team)

17/18:

Bought 5- Robertson, Solanke, Ox, Salah, VVD
Sold - 4 Coutinho, Origi, Lucas, Stewart (again, a lot more left on loan throughout the season)

18/19

Bought 4 - Alisson, Keita, Fabinho, Shaqiri
Sold - 7 Ings, Solanke, Ward, Klavan, Karius, Can, Clyne (again, plenty more that were on not regulars left on loan)

8-10

FitzShane wrote: »

RB - Currently only have TAA as a specialist. Clyne will leave, Randall is gone too. So we need a back up RB.

Sounds like Camacho might be given a chance at RB but I'm unsure if that's to put him in the shop window or if we're actually priming him for RB competition. I suspect it's the latter and he'll be in the squad next season instead of signing somebody new.

Other than that I think a GK will have to come in unless Mignolet stays another season.

We'll also get in a new centre half on the cheap, I'd take somebody like Christopher Schindler when Huddersfield get relegated, he'd be decent Klavan-like backup.

Dickerty

FitzShane wrote: »

GK - Mignolet may want to leave to get first team action and play games. To be fair, we would have to respect that and let him off. Decent back up though.
LB - Moreno is leaving on a free transfer so we need another LB.
RB - Currently only have TAA as a specialist. Clyne will leave, Randall is gone too. So we need a back up RB.
CB - VVD, Gomez, Lovren, Matip is alright but if we go to upgrade any of the latter 2, I will not complain one bit.
CM - I think that Milner may leave to play for Leeds if they get promoted and again would have to respect his wishes there. Lallana is 30 now and may want to leave to get regular first team football also. That leaves Hendo, Fabinho, Gini, Keita and Ox. Possibly might need one more body here.
LW - we still only really have Mane for this position. Maybe bring in a versatile type player to cover here and striker possibly.
RW - Salah, Mane & Shaqiri . Sorted.
CF - Sturridge is leaving and Origi probably will do. Leaves us with just Firmino and Brewster. Need a striker and /or a versatile forward.

So that would mean a GK, RB, LB, CAM, LW and CF at min. I'd agree with that.

- GK will be someone experienced who won't mind playing 6/8 games. Adrian is on a free this summer from West Ham...
- For defence, if you could get a utility FB like Johnson or Arbeloa who can play either side, but more left-footed cause Gomez is cover for RB, as is Camacho. Only Adam Lewis as LB cover.
- For midfield, it has to be a playmaker. Grujic is to come back as well. Keita will come good, I am sure, but he's still a box-to-box, not purely attacking. Ox can do that, but I think we need another one. We could go all in for Isco I think, he's been mainly a sub the last few months and Real are in a bit of a mess. If they do not feel they can build the team around him, maybe they'll be willing to let him go? Or Asensio, if you prefer (for LM). But I actually think we might bring in Ramsey on a free...or go back for Fekir!
- For attack, I think with Wilson coming back as a utility wide attacker, we are ok for width with him, Shaq, Mané and Salah. But maybe two more strikers, unless Brewster is expected to feature. Timo Werner wouldn't surprise me, we'd have to figure out how to play only 3 of the 4 stars. But that's Klopp's problem!

BullBlackNova

FitzShane wrote: »

I'm just going through our squad list here and we may have a squad overhaul on our hands this summer, league title winner or not.

GK - Mignolet may want to leave to get first team action and play games. To be fair, we would have to respect that and let him off. Decent back up though.

LB - Moreno is leaving on a free transfer so we need another LB.

RB - Currently only have TAA as a specialist. Clyne will leave, Randall is gone too. So we need a back up RB.

CB - VVD, Gomez, Lovren, Matip is alright but if we go to upgrade any of the latter 2, I will not complain one bit.

CM - I think that Milner may leave to play for Leeds if they get promoted and again would have to respect his wishes there. Lallana is 30 now and may want to leave to get regular first team football also. That leaves Hendo, Fabinho, Gini, Keita and Ox. Possibly might need one more body here.

LW - we still only really have Mane for this position. Maybe bring in a versatile type player to cover here and striker possibly.

RW - Salah, Mane & Shaqiri . Sorted.

CF - Sturridge is leaving and Origi probably will do. Leaves us with just Firmino and Brewster. Need a striker and /or a versatile forward.


After adding them up, it looks like we are going to need a CF, RB, LB, CM and then possibly GK and CM.

Hard to argue against a lot of that but I'm not sure I can see us signing 6 players in the summer, even if it includes one or two back ups.

I reckon Milner and Lallana will stay (we'd be quite short on experience and versatility without Milner, in particular) and that Hoever, Camacho, Jones and Wilson will be around the first team next season too. With Oxlade-Chamberlain back (like a new signing cliché) and Keita hopefully more settled, we have pretty decent options in quite a few positions.

Add to that, a backup keeper if Mignolet goes (tough one to call here - who wants to not play any games next season but be good enough if he is needed?!), a full-back of some description (though there had previously been talk that Adam Lewis might be used as back up on the left and the combination of Milner, Fabinho, Gomez and Camacho to cover the right) and a versatile attacker that can cover left wing, striker and the #10 role (say, an equivalent to what Son does at Spurs - starts almost every game but can play a variety of roles and is typically very good at it) and I imagine Klopp would be pretty happy, unless there is any major departures.

It might look a little light in places - striker specifically - but a lot of managers seem pretty keen on a small but versatile group of players and the club would probably be pretty pleased not to have lots of high earners who aren't actually involved in the side.

Ste-

Dickerty wrote: »

But I actually think we might bring in Ramsey on a free...

Going to Juve.

Dickerty

Ste- wrote: »

Going to Juve.

I thought that was still a rumour, interesting!

Will have to be Isco so...

shamrock55

Tradgic news about Cardiff new signing sala, I really hope there is a positive outcome but it's hard to see, god love him and his family

CSWS101

FitzShane wrote: »

I'm just going through our squad list here and we may have a squad overhaul on our hands this summer, league title winner or not.

GK - Mignolet may want to leave to get first team action and play games. To be fair, we would have to respect that and let him off. Decent back up though.

LB - Moreno is leaving on a free transfer so we need another LB.

RB - Currently only have TAA as a specialist. Clyne will leave, Randall is gone too. So we need a back up RB.

CB - VVD, Gomez, Lovren, Matip is alright but if we go to upgrade any of the latter 2, I will not complain one bit.

CM - I think that Milner may leave to play for Leeds if they get promoted and again would have to respect his wishes there. Lallana is 30 now and may want to leave to get regular first team football also. That leaves Hendo, Fabinho, Gini, Keita and Ox. Possibly might need one more body here.

LW - we still only really have Mane for this position. Maybe bring in a versatile type player to cover here and striker possibly.

RW - Salah, Mane & Shaqiri . Sorted.

CF - Sturridge is leaving and Origi probably will do. Leaves us with just Firmino and Brewster. Need a striker and /or a versatile forward.


After adding them up, it looks like we are going to need a CF, RB, LB, CM and then possibly GK and CM.

Don't forget Lazar Markovic, read on twitter there he has earned 9.65m since his last game for liverpool, which was in 2015. Sickening.

Boom_Bap

shamrock55 wrote: »

Tradgic news about Cardiff new signing sala, I really hope there is a positive outcome but it's hard to see, god love him and his family

Jesus, that's awful.

shamrock55

shamrock55 wrote: »

Tradgic news about Cardiff new signing sala, I really hope there is a positive outcome but it's hard to see, god love him and his family

For those who aren't aware.......

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/22/cardiff-citys-emiliano-sala-feared-plane-disappeared-channel/

"..........new Premier League signing was on board a plane flying from Nantes to Cardiff which disappeared from the radar above the English Channel on Monday night, French authorities have said.

Rescue teams were scrambled to waters north of Alderney after the light aircraft with two on board vanished on Monday evening, Guernsey Police said."

Raisins

Dickerty wrote: »

Ste- wrote: »

Going to Juve.

I thought that was still a rumour, interesting!

Will have to be Isco so...

Don’t think we would touch Isco in a million years. He’s a Mesut Ozil mark II.

Massive wages and massive fee but no speed, intensity or physicality. We don’t play with a luxury number 10 player like him.

Chesty08

FitzShane wrote: »

I'm just going through our squad list here and we may have a squad overhaul on our hands this summer, league title winner or not.

GK - Mignolet may want to leave to get first team action and play games. To be fair, we would have to respect that and let him off. Decent back up though.

LB - Moreno is leaving on a free transfer so we need another LB.

RB - Currently only have TAA as a specialist. Clyne will leave, Randall is gone too. So we need a back up RB.

CB - VVD, Gomez, Lovren, Matip is alright but if we go to upgrade any of the latter 2, I will not complain one bit.

CM - I think that Milner may leave to play for Leeds if they get promoted and again would have to respect his wishes there. Lallana is 30 now and may want to leave to get regular first team football also. That leaves Hendo, Fabinho, Gini, Keita and Ox. Possibly might need one more body here.

LW - we still only really have Mane for this position. Maybe bring in a versatile type player to cover here and striker possibly.

RW - Salah, Mane & Shaqiri . Sorted.

CF - Sturridge is leaving and Origi probably will do. Leaves us with just Firmino and Brewster. Need a striker and /or a versatile forward.


After adding them up, it looks like we are going to need a CF, RB, LB, CM and then possibly GK and CM.

Every team / squad has these concerns & problems. Just hope the players are focused on this season and not thinking of the summer and loads of what ifs etc..

Raisins

CSWS101 wrote: »

Don't forget Lazar Markovic, read on twitter there he has earned 9.65m since his last game for liverpool, which was in 2015. Sickening.

He’s earning about £2m a season but only because we gave him a contract and now we don’t want to use him. It’s not coming out of your pocket or being paid for by the taxpayer. It’s hardly sickening.

Talisman

FitzShane wrote: »

CM - I think that Milner may leave to play for Leeds if they get promoted and again would have to respect his wishes there. Lallana is 30 now and may want to leave to get regular first team football also. That leaves Hendo, Fabinho, Gini, Keita and Ox. Possibly might need one more body here.

You have forgotten Grujic - a few years ago I naively thought that himself and Can were going to form an all conquering midfield axis for the team. I still think that Grujic will have a place in the squad.

charolais0153

Raisins wrote: »

Don’t think we would touch Isco in a million years. He’s a Mesut Ozil mark II.

Massive wages and massive fee but no speed, intensity or physicality. We don’t play with a luxury number 10 player like him.

Is christian eriksen that much more physical? Or the 2 silvas,de bruyne?
Klopp has often had players like that ,gotze,kagawa,mhiktarin,coutinho,lallana. Hardly very physical

davyboy1975

charolais0153 wrote: »

Is christian eriksen that much more physical? Or the 2 silvas,de bruyne?
Klopp has often had players like that ,gotze,kagawa,mhiktarin,coutinho,lallana. Hardly very physical

Would rather a cheeky bid for Eriksen, refusing to sign a new contract at spurs, would definitely be worth a punt, especially on free kicks and corners

x43r0

davyboy1975 wrote: »

Would rather a cheeky bid for Eriksen, refusing to sign a new contract at spurs, would definitely be worth a punt, especially on free kicks and corners

Not that he'd sell Eriksen to us but even if he did, Levy would bleed us dry on the fee

davyboy1975

x43r0 wrote: »

Not that he'd sell Eriksen to us but even if he did, Levy would bleed us dry on the fee

18 months left on his contract though so they will have a choice very soon what to do with him

Dickerty

Raisins wrote: »

Don’t think we would touch Isco in a million years. He’s a Mesut Ozil mark II.

Massive wages and massive fee but no speed, intensity or physicality. We don’t play with a luxury number 10 player like him.

You don't think Klopp could teach a player how to play in his system? Look at what he did with Fab, Robertson, even Salah. In fact, he could have done it with Ozil, it's just that Wenger didn't.

I wouldn't discount signing any young, fit player with the right technical abilities.
No player of 26 with 350 top flight games, 60+ goals and 60+ assists can be ignored.

Muahahaha

Raisins wrote: »

He’s earning about £2m a season but only because we gave him a contract and now we don’t want to use him. It’s not coming out of your pocket or being paid for by the taxpayer. It’s hardly sickening.

Might not be coming from our pockets but his €10m on wages has got us no return whatsoever. It's made the club €10m worse off. We wont be getting a cent back from his €25m fee either when he goes for free in the summer. Its been a disaster of a transfer financially and on the pitch. The gulf between Markovic and someone like Roberston and how he has benefitted the club is immense

gimli2112

swings and roundabouts, we made a fortune on Coutinho. not all transfers are successful but I'll grant you Markovic's turned out particularly bad

Gbear

A measure of how fantastic this team has been this season:



Posted to r/liverpool on Reddit by feted user u/_cumblast_ :pac:

LuckyLloyd

Muahahaha wrote: »

Might not be coming from our pockets but his €10m on wages has got us no return whatsoever. It's made the club €10m worse off. We wont be getting a cent back from his €25m fee either when he goes for free in the summer. Its been a disaster of a transfer financially and on the pitch. The gulf between Markovic and someone like Roberston and how he has benefitted the club is immense

Never going to have a 100% hit rate on transfers. The question is whether you can overall get more right or wrong so that you aren't constantly needing to invest / acquire players. The club went through a few very rough years in this regard and had a lot of misses during the last few years of the previous ownership regime and the first few years of the current regime. Markovic is one of many during that period that failed to deliver. It's not his fault necessarily. I was actually surprised when he was loaned out in the summer of 2015, but his loan spells seem to have been delivering ever diminishing returns, though there is no real suggestion that I've heard that he's a bad pro.

But since Klopp arrived we've been doing an awful lot better in the transfer market. Less activity that seems more targeted and strategic, and better use of existing assets - whether that be by utilising them well or garnering very good fees when they depart. If we keep doing that, we'll be okay. Even if we'll have more Markovic's or Joe Coles in the future. It's an inevitable part of football.

Fitz*

Gbear wrote: »

Posted to r/liverpool on Reddit by feted user u/_cumblast_ :pac:

Taken from https://twitter.com/BassTunedToRed/status/1087685694779244545

A good person to follow if you like cold hard data!

Muahahaha

ah yeah Lloyd agree transfers will never work out 100%. But I just feel with Markovic we have known that fact for at least three years now yet he is still on the books and will be leaving for free in the summer. It is the worst possible outcome of any transfer, for a promising player not to work out is one thing and it happens but then for them to hang around sapping wages and driving down their value is on another level for me altogether. I'm presuming here but it looks like he is happy to sit and take the wages, I don't remember him putting in a transfer request to get his career back on track.

Pepp1989

Muahahaha wrote:

ah yeah Lloyd agree transfers will never work out 100%. But I just feel with Markovic we have known that fact for at least three years now yet he is still on the books and will be leaving for free in the summer. It is the worst possible outcome of any transfer, for a promising player not to work out is one thing and it happens but then for them to hang around sapping wages and driving down their value is on another level for me altogether. I'm presuming here but it looks like he is happy to sit and take the wages, I don't remember him putting in a transfer request to get his career back on track.

Pretty sure we accepted a low fee for him last year and he rejected the move. Not much more to be done by the club. Mistake was made buying him but as has been said not every transfer works out and it's inevitable.

BullBlackNova

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-transfer-news-lazar-markovic-anderlecht-move-collapsed-hits-back-president-a8521836.html

Anderlecht claim that the move collapsed and that it was 'the player's fault', Markovic denies it.

Tbh, it's exactly what you'd expect both sides to say so who knows the reality of it.

Agent Coulson

I don't begrudge Markovic making £10m in fact fair play to the lad.


The club took a gamble on him and it didn't work out for the club.

Irishmale0399

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I don't begrudge Markovic making £10m in fact fair play to the lad.


The club took a gamble on him and it didn't work out for the club.

The lad hasnt done much...right or wrong.


However I would expect he hasnt cost the club 10 million. Normally players on loan have their wages partly or fully paid by the club they are playing for.

robwen

.G.

magma69 wrote: »

I'd be happy to see Lallana sold this Summer. Massive injury/fitness issues and just hasn't been consistent enough bar a spell of a few months.

Me too. He's injured too often, takes an age to get back up to speed when he does comes back and often breaks down again in this period. Even when he's on the pitch he slows our attacking play down too much, he seems intent on breaking the world record for Cruyff turns too which isn't helpful when you want fast transitions from defence to attack.

The squad and our style of play have moved on and left him behind.He's yesterdays man.

Agent Coulson

With Mignolet, Clyne, Moreno, Lallana, Markovic, Sturridge & Origi all likely to go I think in the summer we will need to get a second choice Goalkeeper, a second choice Right & Left Back a Number 10, a Center Forward and a utility winger.


That is taking into account that Ox, Grujic & Wilson will return to the squad.


I'd love to see use finally sign Fekir (Won't Happen) as the 10 and then try for Werner as the striker and Wan-Bissaka as the right back.

I'd take Heaton as the back up keeper and Sessegnon as the back up Left Back/Utility Winger one for the future.